Rofl... EQN is dead, and Pantheon is alive?

[Adolphus]

The world is upside down. Looking more and more like Quaid and his team is actually producing something good, somehow. http://www.pantheonmmo.com/

Meanwhile, Smedley's Disney-World-Minecraft-Everquest is dead as a door nail. Good riddance to that garbage.

Color me more than a little surprised at this twist of fate. Smedley destroyed, McQuaid potentially victorious? I put this is on the same level as Bruce Jenner turning out to be a woman inside.

[Swish]

oh shit, love that new site.

[jarshale]

I'm gonna hold off on hype till I see an early build. It sounds good though.

[Secrets]

To be fair, Brad McQuaid kept to himself after making a few mistakes. He just kept making MMOs the way he wanted to without anyone else stopping him. I can admire that.

Whereas SOE/Daybreak payed for Storybricks, which is arguably akin to signing Sam Bradford to your Football team and having him injure himself and have nothing to show for the season... snake oil salesmen come to mind. Storybricks was sold up to be more than what it actually was. Realistically, I have my doubts that anyone can make advanced AI like Storybricks was describing in a gameplay scenario.

Brad just focused on what he loves to do: make games. No angel investors, and that may have pissed a few people off that he was working with, but they're just not used to what he had to do to get EverQuest off the ground.

[Secrets]

PS: I really hate linking this as the idea is silly but Unity is hands down the easiest framework to work with. It's no wonder Brad & team had no issues making an MMO in Unity.

I wrote a websockets API based on the one Akkadius made, and hooked it up to EQEmulator and made a bridge between a Unity client and an EQEmulator server.

People laughed at Tyen but I laughed more at how easy it was to do this. Maybe a week of work at most.

http://eqbrowser.com/

[BahamutDF]

Pantheon is going to be the return to form for the MMO genre. Count on it.

[Adolphus]

Mm check out them screens - http://www.pantheonmmo.com/media/screenshots/

[astronaut]

I like that website lol. Smooth experience. Looks like he has the right classes too =)

[Swish]

To be fair, Brad McQuaid kept to himself after making a few mistakes. He just kept making MMOs the way he wanted to without anyone else stopping him. I can admire that.

Whereas SOE/Daybreak payed for Storybricks, which is arguably akin to signing Sam Bradford to your Football team and having him injure himself and have nothing to show for the season... snake oil salesmen come to mind. Storybricks was sold up to be more than what it actually was. Realistically, I have my doubts that anyone can make advanced AI like Storybricks was describing in a gameplay scenario.

Brad just focused on what he loves to do: make games. No angel investors, and that may have pissed a few people off that he was working with, but they're just not used to what he had to do to get EverQuest off the ground.

With regard to angel investors - Brad was pleading for some about a year back.

[iruinedyourday]

I hope it has an illusion Myr mask in it.

[Pokesan]

Which game will BDA be playing? We should all play the other one instead

BDA ruins everything

[Big_Japan]

i like how the slave race is described as "diverse", whatever that means

[Swish]

Can't wait for the Pantheon emulator in 2030

[Adolphus]

Can't wait for the Pantheon emulator in 2030

Lmao. Post my made my night.

[Herp]

Im no game dev, but isnt Pantheon using Unity engine, which is basically buying rehashed character/monster models, trees, pillars, etc?

[astronaut]

You can create your own textures and models.

[Gustoo]

Unity can do what you want it to do. More of a framework. Go try to make a game using unity and think about poo pooing pantheon for that reason.

Probably no pvp so sad

[Gustoo]

i also love how it features all EQ classes since eq is best game.

[Oleris]

gnomes look dumb as fuck and wtf is a direlord? necro/sk?

[applesauce25r624]

hopefully pantheon has fun bards & enchanters

hoping even more than shroud of the avatar has more pvp-oriented servers. i miss UO

[NegaStoat]

No complaints with the screenshots. Overall quality of the terrain was very similar to stock Skyrim, and that game ran stupidly well on a broad range of systems. I'm not sure about how I feel with the classes being a near direct port from EQ in terms of theme.

EQ Next is going to a miserable flop for Sony that will generate less news than folks will expect, due to the dying genre.

[Efwan]

Mm check out them screens - http://www.pantheonmmo.com/media/screenshots/

Dat pally epic reborn!

[NegaStoat]

Er, Daybreak I mean.

[Pyrion]

While i am sceptical about EQNext as well, it is not dead yet. I think it will actually release and will have some very interesting mechanics. My fear is that other things like dumbed down game play, easy mode and too much soloing will drive me away from it.

Pantheon looks really good now. It looks like a real successor to EQ.

[captnamazing]

wow looks awesoem

[Tasslehofp99]

wow looks awesoem

lol'd

[R Flair]

Unity can do what you want it to do. More of a framework. Go try to make a game using unity and think about poo pooing pantheon for that reason.

Probably no pvp so sad

They've said they will have a PvP server. They actually want to have an array of different rulesets, but that it will all depend on the popularity nearing launch.

[Swish]

gnomes look dumb as fuck and wtf is a direlord? necro/sk?

Still better than Luclin gnome models

[Pyrion]

Direlord seems to be like SK. Each class will have 2 specializations though, you can look some of them up in the class forums.

There does not seem to be a necro. Summoner will have 2 specs also, but both do not look like necro.

[Swish]

Direlord seems to be like SK. Each class will have 2 specializations though, you can look some of them up in the class forums.

There does not seem to be a necro. Summoner will have 2 specs also, but both do not look like necro.

Save something for an expansion eh? If they basically clone today's EQ1 they'll have nothing left to keep the game feeling fresh in 2018-2020.

[Kileras]

no bards? :(

[Fountree]

This looks awsome, i am interested. great classes/races and vision for the game.

[Kekephee]

Which game will BDA be playing? We should all play the other one instead

BDA ruins everything

We'll be playing Pantheon. There's already a really huge faction of the guild who are like, 100% we're playing it and we're playing to win.

[Kekephee]

^--- That's a lie btw, I'm getting ready for work so I forgot that the whole point of that was to make a joke about how you're going to be stuck playing the dead game to avoid us

[Dac321]

http://i.giphy.com/3o85xHztt3cupGjjOM.gif

[Thiefboy777]

Pantheon is going to be the return to form for the MMO genre. Count on it.

Crossing my fingies and toes

[Dalven]

I don't think anyone can fully appreciate Pantheon until you've read the 1700 page thread on rerolled.org about it. Has been one mental rollercoaster for the dudes making this game.

[R Flair]

I've read the thread. While it is hilarious, it mostly consists of jaded posts by a few guys that are still upset over Vanguard combined with a handful of junior-devs, interns and never-weres in the gaming industry, too envious of McQuaid's success to admit that Pantheon has promise. The latter is so jaded, they literally claim that McQuaid was responsible for nothing (as in 0%) good in EQ or Vanguard, and that his presence was a mere coincidence. Those posts from that lot are more hilarious than any of the jokes and jeering you find in the midst of that consolatory circle-jerk.

[iruinedyourday]

Only red flag for me is the charaters look like crap right now.

The charters in eq hit this golden area between realistic & cartoony.. I hope that is the same for pantheon. I mean shit that skeleton in the SS's looks like the same skeleton model from luclin that I came here to escape.

But then again in that old pre alpha video of eq, the character models looked like shit too so maybe theyll get changed last minuet too.

[derpcake]

Im no game dev, but isnt Pantheon using Unity engine, which is basically buying rehashed character/monster models, trees, pillars, etc?

the game is using a ton of purchased assets, this was confirmed in various screenshots from staff

see http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?3460-Pantheon-Rise-of-the-Fallen-1-Thread-in-MMO for info

[derpcake]

Herp

Derp

[Adolphus]

Only red flag for me is the charaters look like crap right now.

The charters in eq hit this golden area between realistic & cartoony.. I hope that is the same for pantheon. I mean shit that skeleton in the SS's looks like the same skeleton model from luclin that I came here to escape.

But then again in that old pre alpha video of eq, the character models looked like shit too so maybe theyll get changed last minuet too.


Yeah the game isn't coming out until like 2017 apparently. Pretty sure they have some time to fix up the character models.

http://www.pantheonmmo.com/game/pantheon_difference/

http://www.pantheonmmo.com/game/faqs/

Some info I found on the site ^

[Champion_Standing]

I'm surprised that it actually got this far, hope it turns out to be a decent game but I won't hold my breath. Looks like a former P99 streamer is working on their team now, even streams some of his work doing world design.

[Dalven]

I've read the thread. While it is hilarious, it mostly consists of jaded posts by a few guys that are still upset over Vanguard combined with a handful of junior-devs, interns and never-weres in the gaming industry, too envious of McQuaid's success to admit that Pantheon has promise. The latter is so jaded, they literally claim that McQuaid was responsible for nothing (as in 0%) good in EQ or Vanguard, and that his presence was a mere coincidence. Those posts from that lot are more hilarious than any of the jokes and jeering you find in the midst of that consolatory circle-jerk.

You're not wrong, that forum is full of fannies and that thread concentrates them. However the jeers are funny, many of them were more than justified at the time and to be honest, having followed the various Pantheon related nonsense from the beginning, it's hilarious that a game is going to come out of the monumental mess it began with.

[Alenon]

Only red flag for me is the charaters look like crap right now.

The charters in eq hit this golden area between realistic & cartoony.. I hope that is the same for pantheon. I mean shit that skeleton in the SS's looks like the same skeleton model from luclin that I came here to escape.

But then again in that old pre alpha video of eq, the character models looked like shit too so maybe theyll get changed last minuet too.

I'm ok with a mix of cartoons and realistic if only to go a bit easier on my pc. Rift did pretty well on that with their character models imo

[Dullah]

the game is using a ton of purchased assets, this was confirmed in various screenshots from staff

see http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?3460-Pantheon-Rise-of-the-Fallen-1-Thread-in-MMO for info

You won't find any worthwhile info in that thread.

Regarding the topic of Unity Store, you can watch the Pantheon Unity 4 video update from earlier this year where they discuss it in some detail. The stores for Unity and Unreal are one of the biggest features of the engines and can drastically reduce development time. The only negative side effect can be trying to integrate assets into a game when they don't match the art style, landscape or decor. Based on the videos and screenshots, I'd say its safe to assume that the assets they've purchased suited Pantheon just fine.

They also develop their own assets, and as they're able to hire more artists, their need for external resources like the store will go down. Honestly though, to stop using the store altogether is a sure way to push back the launch.

[Adolphus]

LMAO @ people who care about store-bought assets in unity.

Dudes are playing a 15-year-old elf simulator with single-digit polygon character models and 2D tree's and complain about the source of art for another game, when said game looks 100X better than anything we play here, even in pre-alpha stages.

[iruinedyourday]

Yeah the game isn't coming out until like 2017 apparently. Pretty sure they have some time to fix up the character models.

http://www.pantheonmmo.com/game/pantheon_difference/

http://www.pantheonmmo.com/game/faqs/

Some info I found on the site ^

yea, I have faith but I have no idea who's call it was to design the character models in EQ :/

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/gallery/alphabeta/alpha-06.jpg

But like I said if this is what we started with in EQ compared to what we got on launch, I have high hopes.. Im crossing my fingers we get something that reminds me of why i love EQ character models so much...

http://www.qsl.net/n6tx/pictures/family/ogre.jpg

[Biddil Arcfire]

See you in game, Iruined. Ogre or bust

[AzzarTheGod]

LMAO @ people who care about store-bought assets in unity.

Dudes are playing a 15-year-old elf simulator with single-digit polygon character models and 2D tree's and complain about the source of art for another game, when said game looks 100X better than anything we play here, even in pre-alpha stages.

This. I'm hoping Brad can pull a good game out. Hes doing it with no help at all, no donations. I'm proud of what they have been able to do so far.

EQN isn't an MMO, its going to be like that Heroes shit where you run around with 4 special abilities like Leagues except in 3D with full physics. That's called an adventure/action game. Like Diablo minus the sprites and add world physics.

I don't like the sound of that. Theres a reason why I am not playing Marvel Online or whatever that shit Superhero game was SOE released.

[captnamazing]

pantheon pras goog

[Dalven]

This. I'm hoping Brad can pull a good game out. Hes doing it with no help at all, no donations. I'm proud of what they have been able to do so far.


He definitely has had donations, after their kick starter failed they were accepting donations through their website and did so for a solid year afterwards. Indeed the first big scandal was when brad paid himself a hefty chunk of that in 'back pay' from the initial donations and most of the original team quit in rage.

Since getting proper investment, at the beginning of this year apparently, they've stopped taking donations and have made some pretty decent progress and seem to have a solid team that actually conduct themselves with a degree of professionalism.

[Kekephee]

yea, I have faith but I have no idea who's call it was to design the character models in EQ :/

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/gallery/alphabeta/alpha-06.jpg

But like I said if this is what we started with in EQ compared to what we got on launch, I have high hopes.. Im crossing my fingers we get something that reminds me of why i love EQ character models so much...

http://www.qsl.net/n6tx/pictures/family/ogre.jpg

I kind of wish Everquest looked like this right now

[iruinedyourday]

See you in game, Iruined. Ogre or bust

ohhhhhhhhhhhshit biddil! :D

[Visual]

Dudes are playing a 15-year-old elf simulator with single-digit polygon character models and 2D tree's and complain about the source of art for another game, when said game looks 100X better than anything we play here, even in pre-alpha stages.


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03299/rothko_3299148a.jpg

Worth $200,000,000. That's two hundred million dollars.

It ain't always about polygons. Personally, I think everquest is one of the most beautiful games and Pantheon looks like auto generated shit.

That being said, I will probably still play :p

[iruinedyourday]

As long as the final version of the game looks like this, Ill play:

http://i.imgur.com/KTyUk7I.png?1

[TheBiznessTZ]

As long as the final version of the game looks like this, Ill play:

http://i.imgur.com/KTyUk7I.png?1

nice photo shop. i like it. i want the same thing.

[Itap]

As long as the final version of the game looks like this, Ill play:

http://i.imgur.com/KTyUk7I.png?1

A+ forumquesting my good man

[Skillslam]

so how are they doing this with no investor and no money

[Oleris]

so how are they doing this with no investor and no money

you must have forgotten the kickstarter scandal.

[Pyrion]

They have an undisclosed business angel. And of course some money from their own, non kickstarter, crowd funding.

[Pokesan]

he doesnt pay his workers

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Probably get money from nerds

[Herp]

LMAO @ people who care about store-bought assets in unity.


It's not about that, its about them projecting something more complete than it may actually be due to them purchasing everything we see before us. I dont mind if they bought models, but it can be deceiving as to what they've actually accomplished as a team so far. The combat systems video i saw was pretty cringeworthy, but it is early.

[mystang89]

First I've heard of pantheon, yeah I live under a rock, but it looks decent. That being said its release date is way too far away for me to keep tabs on right now.

[iruinedyourday]

i like how the slave race is described as "diverse", whatever that means

lol it means that the lore for the slave race is their home world is Earth.

http://i.imgur.com/qvJaL.png

[captnamazing]

lol it means that the lore for the slave race is their home world is Earth.

http://i.imgur.com/qvJaL.png

hahaaaah

[AzzarTheGod]

They have an undisclosed business angel. And of course some money from their own, non kickstarter, crowd funding.

ya a business angel my ass. some stay at home son from the West Village is givng them his allowance money to buy unity assets.

The combat and classes suck so far. Check back in 2 years.

[Swish]

ya a business angel my ass. some stay at home son from the West Village is givng them his allowance money to buy unity assets.

The combat and classes suck so far. Check back in 2 years.

Looks better than EQ Next ever did. I guess everyone's still playing ESO and Archeage lolol

[applesauce25r624]

They have an undisclosed business angel

*coughprescriptiondrugslangingcoughcough*

[AzzarTheGod]

*coughprescriptiondrugslangingcoughcough*

I see I wasn't the only one that busted up laughing at the term "business angel" being used here.

[iruinedyourday]

As long as the final version of the game looks like this, Ill play:

http://i.imgur.com/KTyUk7I.png?1

who made this awesome image? oh wait I DID and so did whoever panthion bought those background assets from...

either way if only we could get panthion to buy the EQ1 character models & partical effects, use those backgrounds and just clone the mechanics.. ID PLAY!

[Champion_Standing]

Bet EQ next comes before pvp teams

http://sunny95.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/16/files/2013/07/Untitled-8.gif

[R Flair]

who made this awesome image? oh wait I DID and so did whoever panthion bought those background assets from...

either way if only we could get panthion to buy the EQ1 character models & partical effects, use those backgrounds and just clone the mechanics.. ID PLAY!

I think the new models/concepts are great, but I have to agree on particle effects. They are one of very few games where the magic actually looked real.

[wts]

Holy shit Secrets! I didn't know eqbrowser actually happened! This is amazing!

Also, I wonder what they're saying on rerolled about these developments. Guess I better head over and find out.

[Grimjaw]

McQuaid strikes again!

http://www.pantheonmmo.com/images/pantheon-in-game-4k-5.jpg

[Nuggie]

thanks for moving this from RnF so i can post in it.

[Nuggie]

the removal of the donation system is suspect for sure. i would not doubt if they found an investor.

[iruinedyourday]

McQuaid strikes again!

http://www.pantheonmmo.com/images/pantheon-in-game-4k-5.jpg

lol I photoshoped like 19 characters in there, can you find them? I didnt think so. Pras Brad Mquiad

[Adolphus]

Guess my thread was too PC to stay in rants & flames . . . I'm so disapointed in myself.

[Telin]

There's no doubt their art is fantastic.

[Oleris]

why this get moved?

[Pokesan]

why this get moved?

it's an illuminati conspiracy!

welcome to off topic these days oleris

[Big_Japan]

ppl still associate Bad McQuaalude's name w/ something other than oxycodone & benzos? Or do yall just believe that his familiarity with addiction gives him the credentials for developing the psychologically predatory skinner box/pavlov grind simulator of the future?

[pathius41]

Haters will hate....

[LostCause]

vanguard 2.0 with no funding...

[R Flair]

the removal of the donation system is suspect for sure. i would not doubt if they found an investor.

There is still a donation system in place. Think its just a matter of getting everything working on the new site.

They have found an investor though. How much was invested is private, but they've put everyone on payroll and brought back and an old dev or two.

[Adolphus]

Looks like Pantheon just got another big round of funding. #alivegame

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/1006/view/news/read/36495/Pantheon-Rise-of-the-Fallen-Seed-Funding-Achieved-Game-Development-to-Continue.html

[OfftuneRZ]

http://www.pantheonmmo.com/media/screenshots/

2nd to last screen shot shows someone using a fiery avenger rofl

[Big_Japan]

added mcquaalude on herd psychology simulator for laughs a while back, caught this absolute gold:

http://i.imgur.com/jypFQsI.png

'commercial'

if you give him money you are an enabler. the man needs help not a firm push down the cliff.

[Ranndom]

The world is upside down. Looking more and more like Quaid and his team is actually producing something good, somehow. http://www.pantheonmmo.com/

Meanwhile, Smedley's Disney-World-Minecraft-Everquest is dead as a door nail. Good riddance to that garbage.

Color me more than a little surprised at this twist of fate. Smedley destroyed, McQuaid potentially victorious? I put this is on the same level as Bruce Jenner turning out to be a woman inside.

EQN died the second it was announced so long ago.

[stormlord]

The world is upside down. Looking more and more like Quaid and his team is actually producing something good, somehow. http://www.pantheonmmo.com/

Meanwhile, Smedley's Disney-World-Minecraft-Everquest is dead as a door nail. Good riddance to that garbage.

Color me more than a little surprised at this twist of fate. Smedley destroyed, McQuaid potentially victorious? I put this is on the same level as Bruce Jenner turning out to be a woman inside.It's not done deal. These things can die easy. Don't get your hopes up. Mine are low. Remember Vanguard? Didn't do so well. Odds are this one will be dead out of the water. Even if it survives, it'll probably be half dead.

I watch from a distance. I admit, I only care because I was one of the first players on live in march 99. If I'd never picked up the Everquest box in the store I would probably be watching Camelot Unchained and Richard Garriot. I did pick up the UO: Second Age box, but that was long after McQuaid had stolen my soul. Garriot--for his sake--has a solid grip on me anyway.

I've always wondered if my attraction to Everquest gameplay is rooted in nostalgia or some kind of hardened attachment. You know how old people are attached to old things and can't readily adopt new things? Like that.

But I think a lot of hte people following Pantheon will be disappointed when they find out it's not Everquest or Vanguard. It might have some similar traits, but it'll be much more modern. They will have to adjust. I of course have witnessed changes in MMO's since I first played EQ, so I EXPECT it. I think me knowing this actually makes it easier for me to accept whatever Pantheon becomes. And yet I also know this is McQuaid and he won't be making Hello Kitties. So to some extent expectations are appropriate. When McQuaid says he wants to make for a Core or Hardcore audience, he generally means it, even if it's a slippy slope in those parts and things will trend towards Casual like water goes downhill...

Here's a thing by Bartle from 2004:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/130570/soapbox_why_virtual_worlds_are_.php
What Dickens was actually saying is that, so long as you don't lose more than you gain, things are good. In our particular case, we're not talking olde English money, we're talking newbies, although ultimately, the two amount to one and the same thing.

Now I'm sorry to be the bringer of bad news, people, but here goes anyway: even for the most compelling of virtual worlds, players will eventually leave. Don't blame me, I didn't invent reality.

If oldbies leave, newbies are needed to replace them. The newbies must arrive at the same rate (or better) that the oldbies leave; otherwise, the population of the virtual world will decline until eventually no-one will be left to play it.
Point #1: Virtual worlds live or die by their ability to attract newbies
Point #2: Newbies won't play a virtual world that has a major feature they don't like.
Point #3: Players judge all virtual worlds as a reflection of the one they first got into.
Point #4: Many players will think some poor design choices are good.
Conclusion

Virtual worlds are under evolutionary pressure to promote design features that, while not exactly bad, are nevertheless poor. Each succeeding generation absorbs these into the virtual world paradigm, and introduces new poor features for the next generation to take on board. The result is that virtual world design follows a downward path of not-quite-good-enough, leading ultimately to an erosion of what virtual worlds are.

Fortunately, there are a number of processes at work that have the potential to arrest this descent. Thus, although the future of virtual worlds may look disappointing, it's not completely bleak.

Besides, for the purist there will always be text MUDs.

[Dullah]

But I think a lot of hte people following Pantheon will be disappointed when they find out it's not Everquest or Vanguard. It might have some similar traits, but it'll be much more modern. They will have to adjust. I of course have witnessed changes in MMO's since I first played EQ, so I EXPECT it. I think me knowing this actually makes it easier for me to accept whatever Pantheon becomes. And yet I also know this is McQuaid and he won't be making Hello Kitties. So to some extent expectations are appropriate. When McQuaid says he wants to make for a Core or Hardcore audience, he generally means it, even if it's a slippy slope in those parts and things will trend towards Casual like water goes downhill...


I actually think it will be more like EQ than most people expect. EQ was by far the more successful of Brad's games, and what the vast majority of oldschool fans are calling for. While I'm sure experience and ideas from Vanguard will be present, everything they are saying makes it sound like they've literally recreated EverQuest as the foundation with new lore and backstory.

Just look at what Brad said over on mmorpg.com a couple days ago.
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/440968/pantheon-news/p2

He continually refers to having built the "foundation" or "core mechanics" based on oldschool games (EQ by name), upon which they will place the new ideas for Pantheon (https://www.pantheonmmo.com/game/pantheon_difference/).

I think if they're smart they will try to recreate EQ as closely as possible. At least on a foundational level. While some of the important features and mechanics are obvious, its hard to say what ingredients exactly made the game so compelling.

[Rec]

It will be more EQ than next pretends to be

[wts]

http://eqbrowser.com/

pras.

[Swish]

It will be more EQ than next pretends to be

I don't think EQ Next will release before being outdated or replaced with a better version of the same game by a different company.

[AzzarTheGod]

I don't think EQ Next will release before being outdated or replaced with a better version of the same game by a different company.

This. SOE has always been very slow developmentally, one of the slowest AAA houses in fact.

Other studios like Bethesda and any studio under EA really can take the best ideas and burn a game within 8 months. Many indie houses with the new Unity tools and other engine kits that are coming out can bring an MMO to market in 2 years or less.

Vaporware is vaporware. SOE specializes in vaporware.

Pantheon will see a launch. EQN is in the process of being dismantled and rebuilt for the 3rd or 4th time in 8 years.

EQN has already had a solid 7 year design cycle with no end in sight. They bullshitted their parent company Sony until they got kicked to the curb for having only 2 or 3 products in 15 years.

[Pyrion]

Sure it's possible to make the next standard MMO in a relatively short time. But an MMO where the whole world is destructible voxels? That's a novelty and nobody would do that fast.

I am not saying that eq next will definately launch. But it's clear that such an MMO would need a lot more time than others.