Suggestions for GM Event Reward for Ninik!

[Uthgaard]

While everyone is staring at the forums and unable to log in, I wanted to invite a discussion. The guide illusion items were repurposed as GM event rewards for a while but eventually replaced with guises of the deceiver.

Ninik, who is one of the nicest people on the server, never gave it a second thought when her iksar egg reward from the resistance shifting armor suit event in NK was yoinked two years ago. The replacement failed to occur since she already had a guise from the actual camp.

So Nilbog and Ninik and I are looking for suggestions for a suitable alternative reward. The preferred criteria are fun and novel toys that already exist on the server.

K go.

[Pyrocat]

Fireworks? Kinda lame but I'm don't actually know of any other GM event given items. Why are illusion items off the table?

Also, are you coming back in a GM capacity or contributor/dev capacity?

[Uthgaard]

Illusion items are off the table because nilbog felt they reduced the legitimacy of the server since they were never actually given out as GM event rewards on live.

If I did anything it would probably be fix a few bugs and maybe do events or something. We've mentioned it briefly but never really discussed it in depth. I stay pretty busy with RL lately.

[Freakish]

Uthgaard's Special Brew. Let the guise go to an alt. Full suit of rubicite. Cryosilk Robe. GM event centered around Ninik with a custom title at the end. No drop Ton Po's Bo Stick!

[Pyrocat]

Is there a list of legitimate items given out by GMs in the classic timeline?

Cryosilk robe is a good one.

[Uthgaard]

Is there a list of legitimate items given out by GMs in the classic timeline?

Cryosilk robe is a good one.

There is. I don't remember if it was in a private dev forum or on here or the wiki, but there was a fairly long list of things that never made it here.

The NK event was pretty substantial, since we had to restart the server to get the zone to handle the crowd, run a ton of custom scripts to make the wilowisp mobs shift the suit's resistances, and it was the last event I did.

[Ravager]

I vote an item custom to this server "Ninik's Spatula" Effect: Summon Cookies.

[Pyrocat]

There is. I don't remember if it was in a private dev forum or on here or the wiki, but there was a fairly long list of things that never made it here.


Would you mind looking for it? That'd be a great resource.

[feanan]

I vote an item custom to this server "Ninik's Spatula" Effect: Summon Cookies.

I 2nd!

[Uthgaard]

Would you mind looking for it? That'd be a great resource.

I would if I could think of some search terms. You have to remember I haven't dealt with EQ items in 4 years. What are some known GM event items?

[JayN]

wth is a ninik?

Guises please thx

[Rejuvenation]

Yea definitely give her something to summon cookies or cupcakes or fun snacky snacks.

[Rararboker]

http://eqclassic.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=8588

Here is a link. Not sure on timelines for them all. Gotta say, illusion items for non rogues seems minor compared to a 175/20 bow.

[Tupakk]

Just going to leave this here. Would love to have ya.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211495

[Kekephee]

GM events will never have illusion items given out again? RIP my dream of one day having an oogly stick and RPing troll bard

[Uthgaard]

Not unless nilbog is convinced that no one really minded that they were used in the first place. Which from the looks of this thread, people liked the idea of useless novelty items as rewards.

I think the original round-up probably happened after my custom werewolf item (which I made to give a werewolf illusion option without the haste/atk buff) had its effect accidentally overwritten by a kunark mob spell, and the owner exploited the change.

[astronaut]

Live GM event awards were so much more epic compared to p99

[Uthgaard]

Well you make them tame and people bitch. You make them too nice and people bitch. Rogean got chewed out for the lustrous russet on halloween. I got chewed out for a pair of white dragon teeth at my tutorial zone event.

My illusion items were (at the time) a happy medium that made players happy and didn't appear to piss anyone off.

[Kekephee]

I feel like illusion items are the only acceptable GM event reward items. You don't want to give people super leet gear, but if you give them shitty gear for level 20s they won't care and it will get replaced/sold. Consumables are, meh, because none of them do anything too interesting. Illusions are forever and RP ultimate

[astronaut]

I think illusions are the best in lieu of crazy insane OP items. It's the dream of every post guise era neckbeard to win a guise at a GM event. Though I didn't know they stopped being given out. I assume people who got jealous ruined it for everyone. I remember the oogly stick being taken away. Man that would crush me. I might have cried IRL.

[Itap]

I like the idea of custom titles. It happened on live, why not here?

[Sorn]

I vote an item custom to this server "Ninik's Spatula" Effect: Summon Cookies.

This sounds adorable, do it!

[Secrets]

Breezeboot's Frigid Gnasher. Give her that.

[tristantio]

I'd agree with custom title, was definitely classic and provides something really unique - although I too would like to see more of the classic GM event items distributed (some of them were awesome and practically legendary as they ended up being one or two per server).

[astronaut]

Met a guy who had malevolence during Luclin era and was stupefied by it. It blew my mind that items like that existed.

[Rararboker]

Custom titles are cool for sure. I've seen a few and am always jealous.

Though the GM event rewards from live are pretty amazing. Robe with int/mana/resist and HP regen? Amazing.

Illusion items are much more tame and a coveted item by many players. Though I bet rangers everywhere will drool for Oakwynd (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=2697&setcookie=1). Which, from the looks of it, was a kunark era GM event.

[Sebekkha]

What about the prime healers bulwark

[Brut]

Butcherblock Hammer!

Alternatively a gnome deserves a full stack of Garnish.

[xbo]

I think you could just give her a free level 60 character.

[Pyrion]

An item with Illusion: Hill giant on it. Called "Illusion of grandeur".

Or just the old mana stone.

[Thana8088]

Well you make them tame and people bitch. You make them too nice and people bitch.

This doesn't sound right at all. :p


I support custom title and/or tasty-treat summoning for Ninik! <3

[Kaleb]

Some item that would summon a pet would be ideal - not sure anything like that existed.
The pet would have to be cute and non aggressive unless provoked.

[phobus]

How about an item that turns other people into Gnomes?

I like the spatula that summons cookies. But you'd have to balance that with a jug that summons milk, too!

[phobus]

Some item that would summon a pet would be ideal - not sure anything like that existed.
The pet would have to be cute and non aggressive unless provoked.

That's a pretty good idea!

NiNiK loves the druid pets, and always got mad when people killed the Spiroc Guardian's pet. She is a true animal lover and something along those lines would be fitting. Maybe a snow bunny pet?

If it dies (not that anyone would ever let that happen, I promise you) it should do an emote like "Jobab jumps back into NiNiK's pocket!"

[snots]

The Prime Healer's Bulwark

[Tasslehofp99]

Werewolf illusion seems to make you non-kos in siren's grotto with the clicky from ornate runed pendant. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

I have no problem with illusion items being given out as rewards, though.

[captnamazing]

we can all pitch in and get her a bong

[Bones]

ninik is a p99 hero

i love the cookie summoning item idea i bet she does too +1 for that

[Uthgaard]

Lots of good ideas. And so far I haven't seen anyone speak out against the illusion items.

Lobby nilbog to reconsider them?


They're cosmetic
They're NO DROP
They don't imbalance character progression or stats
Appealing options exist for any player regardless of race, class, or level
They have no economic value
They encourage persistent involvement in server events

They're really the perfect reward.

I'm also putting a rider in the bill to restore thread tags.

[captnamazing]

Lots of good ideas. And so far I haven't seen anyone speak out against the illusion items.

Lobby nilbog to reconsider them?


They're cosmetic
They're NO DROP
Adding them to the game doesn't upset any balance
Appealing options exist for any player regardless of race, class, or level
They have no economic value
They encourage persistent involvement in server events

They're really the perfect reward.

I'm also putting a rider in the bill to restore thread tags.

honestly i think Illusion items from GMs are super duper cool. All vanity with no OP shit. I love it!!

[phobus]

Is the issue with illusion items the fact that they change faction modifiers for classes that shouldn't have that ability? Would it be possible to create a custom effect that gives the illusion but doesn't alter faction?

[Uthgaard]

Is the issue with illusion items the fact that they change faction modifiers for classes that shouldn't have that ability? Would it be possible to create a custom effect that gives the illusion but doesn't alter faction?

Basically here's what happened:

1. All was well and everyone was in agreement that they were pretty good rewards. About 10 were handed out over a year.
2. I wanted to add werewolf to the list of options, but I didn't want to use Illusion: Werewolf because of the major stat buff.
3. I created an item called the silver bullet, and repurposed a spell called lycanthropy, making it an item with a self-only illusion werewolf clone that didn't affect stats.
4. After I left, someone changed that spell into a kunark mob ability, and the player with that item exploited it as a spammable threat generator.
5. All illusion items were rounded up and replaced with guises (except in the one case where it wasn't noticed that the player already had a guise).

If the werewolf item had been reported rather than exploited, the rest of them probably would still be out there.

My objective here is to find a reasonable alternative to the iksar egg. But since the server opinion seems to be undivided in favor of restoring illusion items as event rewards, I'm not opposed to trying to convince nilbog to re-allow them.

[Froakula]

Stone of gnoming ftw

[phobus]

Thanks for the background Uthgaard.

Personally I don't see an issue with them having enchanter illusion effects, faction adjustment and all. I can understand why some would, though.

[Kekephee]

Basically here's what happened:

1. All was well and everyone was in agreement that they were pretty good rewards. About 10 were handed out over a year.
2. I wanted to add werewolf to the list of options, but I didn't want to use Illusion: Werewolf because of the major stat buff.
3. I created an item called the silver bullet, and repurposed a spell called lycanthropy, making it an item with a self-only illusion werewolf clone that didn't affect stats.
4. After I left, someone changed that spell into a kunark mob ability, and the player with that item exploited it as a spammable threat generator.
5. All illusion items were rounded up and replaced with guises (except in the one case where it wasn't noticed that the player already had a guise).

If the werewolf item had been reported rather than exploited, the rest of them probably would still be out there.

My objective here is to find a reasonable alternative to the iksar egg. But since the server opinion seems to be undivided in favor of restoring illusion items as event rewards, I'm not opposed to trying to convince nilbog to re-allow them.



jeeeesus, really sucks to be all the people who lost oogly sticks etc. because of people exploiting this

[Itap]

Basically here's what happened:

1. All was well and everyone was in agreement that they were pretty good rewards. About 10 were handed out over a year.
2. I wanted to add werewolf to the list of options, but I didn't want to use Illusion: Werewolf because of the major stat buff.
3. I created an item called the silver bullet, and repurposed a spell called lycanthropy, making it an item with a self-only illusion werewolf clone that didn't affect stats.
4. After I left, someone changed that spell into a kunark mob ability, and the player with that item exploited it as a spammable threat generator.
5. All illusion items were rounded up and replaced with guises (except in the one case where it wasn't noticed that the player already had a guise).

If the werewolf item had been reported rather than exploited, the rest of them probably would still be out there.

My objective here is to find a reasonable alternative to the iksar egg. But since the server opinion seems to be undivided in favor of restoring illusion items as event rewards, I'm not opposed to trying to convince nilbog to re-allow them.

Don't get me wrong, I love and endorse the idea of allowing illusion items as rewards, but to prevent any possible exploitation in the future, wouldn't custom titles be a fitting reward? It allows the player to be unique, and I'm sure many people would participate in events for a chance to win a title. Just my 2 cents

[astronaut]

I don't think de masks or oogly sticks are reason to worry about exploitation.

[Fryhole]

Illusion items like the guise are super rare and considered 'high prestige' by many. Having them as rewards for GM events/holiday occasions or what have you is perfect. Lots of people weren't here when the server launched, missing out on some of the old 'broken' items like the guise, rubicite (rubi removal never made sense to me other than helping make CT a ghost town), manastone, etc.

I spent most of my afternoon trying to get items for the Velious launch event, assuming that a guise or some type of illusion item was in the prize pool.

Since I'm at it, here's a request - Illusion Iksar needs +1 HP regen. ;)

[fastboy21]

She ought to have a clicky that can summon gnome shaped cookies...OR she ought to have a nome illusion mask given to one of her non-nome chars (I'm not sure that she even plays non nomes...but she would LOVE that!). OR a unique title award to Ninik. Ninik the Gnome <Divinity> would look real cool.

Ninik is one of the best and nicest people I have ever met in EQ...it says a lot about p99 that so many people here know about how awesome she is.

It isn't every game, or even every EQ server, that someone can reach server fame status for just being an awesome awesome person.

[wts]

I'm also putting a rider in the bill to restore thread tags.

Uthgaard/Secrets 2016

[Teako]

Title.

Ninik, Lady of the Gnomes.

There's two "big deal" things people see as rewards - Illusion items, and unique titles.. She has a guise, and is notorious for the gnome voice in voip.

[Roku]

Illusion items are a good reward in general, but if the idea is to do something special for Ninik then anything involving cookies, cupcakes, etc would be the way to go. Gnoming it up is her shtick, so I doubt an illusion item would get much use.

An item that would let her turn other players into gnomes would be pretty awesome though. Divinity raids would certainly be a site to see.

Edit: And no player on the server would be safe from randomly being Ninik'd.

[Spyder73]

Gnoming stone sounds pretty legit...maybe put a 5 min CD on it to prevent mass gnoming

[Nivar Quartz]

Should give Ninik a green name and guide powers, she's clearly shown to be above all the drama and trusted by most, this is the ultimate p99 reward as she can decide what to turn her toon into anytime she wants.

[Lanuven]

Special cookie with summon more cookies =D

[Kekephee]

Give her the ultimate reward: Make Her God.

[Aviann]

If you want a reward they gave out often on live, as much as I hate to say it, it'd be artifacts or titles.

[Wode]

So wierd. Ninik rezzed my druid last night. Wouldn't take a tip. Gave me a cookie and milk and was in role the whole time. Definately one of the cool folks on this server. To see this thread here and read through this was kinda cool. Whatever you guys come up with that little gal deserves it =)

[Sage Truthbearer]

A spatula that summons gnome-shaped cookies that give temporary Gnome illusion when eaten.

[Sirken]

Not unless nilbog is convinced that no one really minded that they were used in the first place. Which from the looks of this thread, people liked the idea of useless novelty items as rewards.

I think the original round-up probably happened after my custom werewolf item (which I made to give a werewolf illusion option without the haste/atk buff) had its effect accidentally overwritten by a kunark mob spell, and the owner exploited the change.

you know perfectly well that how much players "like" something doesn't factor into our decision making. after the effort that went into removing them, and then replacing them with more classic items, not only would i be very shocked to see this, i might even throw a tantrum as i dont appreciate wasting my time. and yes, it was the silver bullet. theres a story there involving me and nilbog, but this isnt the appropriate place for me to discuss it.

[Sirken]

I like the idea of custom titles. It happened on live, why not here?
p99 already has custom titles. they are rare on purpose.


If the werewolf item had been reported rather than exploited, the rest of them probably would still be out there.
nope

My objective here is to find a reasonable alternative to the iksar egg. But since the server opinion seems to be undivided in favor of restoring illusion items as event rewards, I'm not opposed to trying to convince nilbog to re-allow them.
good luck with that.

-

how is there this much misinformation in one thread. they were removed because they weren't classic. they were noticed because of the silver bullet. if we wanted to only remove the bullet, we could have. we had to remove all the non classic crap you gave out.

[Champion_Standing]

Hasn't pretty much all the staff given out non classic illusion items?

Anti cheat and RMT bans not rly classic either...just sayin

[Pyrocat]

Hasn't pretty much all the staff given out non classic illusion items?

Anti cheat and RMT bans not rly classic either...just sayin

trolls be trollin

[captnamazing]

sirken laying down the law. the coleslaw

[dafier]

when I was a young mage on the server, I was standing at the docks in BB waiting for a boat.

Someone...don't recall who cast illusion froglok or whatever it's called.

They said it was a pot that had 'charges' and was given to them by GMs for their contributions. This is May ish time frame of this year.

Is this what Sirkin was talking about? Removed these type items because it wasn't classic?

[Sirken]

when I was a young mage on the server, I was standing at the docks in BB waiting for a boat.

Someone...don't recall who cast illusion froglok or whatever it's called.

They said it was a pot that had 'charges' and was given to them by GMs for their contributions. This is May ish time frame of this year.

Is this what Sirkin was talking about? Removed these type items because it wasn't classic?

if anyone has non classic illusion item, including pots, you should pm me their name, because as far as we know, they were all removed. yes i gave out temp non classic illusions as event rewards, and i got in trouble for it, so it stopped. i never gave out permanent race changing items. but if i had, you can rest assured, i would have gotten in trouble for it :)

[Sirken]

this whole thing kinda reminds me of a bad father that disappears for a year at a time, shows up out of the blue and promises the world, then vanishes, forcing the mother to be the bad guy when she tells her kids that none of the shit daddy promised is actually gonna happen.

[arsenalpow]

Froglock illusion pots with charges were given out as rewards for the pvp event BDA won where Xerxes was given the title "The Highlander".

[astronaut]

you know perfectly well that how much players "like" something doesn't factor into our decision making. after the effort that went into removing them, and then replacing them with more classic items, not only would i be very shocked to see this, i might even throw a tantrum as i dont appreciate wasting my time. and yes, it was the silver bullet. theres a story there involving me and nilbog, but this isnt the appropriate place for me to discuss it.


Remember when I used a white dragon tooth and an illusion froglok potion and it changed my OT faction and I instantly died. Thanks a lot for removing that potion.

[Itap]

p99 already has custom titles. they are rare on purpose.

I agree with you, I believe that's a better reward then an illusion item that isn't within the boundaries of classic EQ

[NizmerThafen]

Item: Ninik's Snack Sack
2 slot bag
size: small
effect: summon Milk n' Cookies. (temporary)

[Crawdad]

Why the need for non-classic GM event rewards?

The Realm of Heroes (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/search.html?q=Realm+of+Heroes) goes back at least until March 2001 (3 months into Velious). "Small" GM events would reward players with a coin to turn into the linked NPCs, rewards were random.. which I imagine makes it hard to duplicate here, as I doubt there's an alla entry for quest rewards. Vorshar the Despired (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6611) makes it look like quest rewards were also on their loot tables, which seems silly/wrong.

Earring of the Oakwynds (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=59617) example of an earring my Mage received from a turn in... Nothing BiS but good stats and unique enough if quest-only for smaller, more frequent GM events (hooray!).

[Rararboker]

this whole thing kinda reminds me of a bad father that disappears for a year at a time, shows up out of the blue and promises the world, then vanishes, forcing the mother to be the bad guy when she tells her kids that none of the shit daddy promised is actually gonna happen.

Will we ever see the very classic artifacts?

Link for reference = http://eqclassic.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=8588


Oakwynd (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=2697&setcookie=1) was a Kunark era GM event reward. While Shrouds of Earthen Shadow (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=10905) were handed out when The Hole was released as a playable zone.Shield of Hatred (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=9314) was during the "Bloody Kithicor" GM event and Sceptre of Alk'Kabor (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=2446) was handed out in the great divide at some GM event. Not sure which, might be non-classic and from Luclin but there isn't much proof about whether or not it was. Just mentions being handed out in a Velious era zone.

Would make for interesting GM events. aka, cutthroat as all hell.

[Aviann]

p99 already has custom titles. they are rare on purpose

Its nice that they are rare and all, but the majority of the time titles were given out by GM events, not just the BotB shiz. No offense, but we need some events! Well... want would be a more appropriate word... but you guys have probably been busy dealing with raid petitions... LOL

Kidding, keep up the good work. Bring in some GM events.

[Thana8088]

Hmmm what's this strange /bump?

[Whirled]

While everyone is staring at the forums and unable to log in, I wanted to invite a discussion. The guide illusion items were repurposed as GM event rewards for a while but eventually replaced with guises of the deceiver.

Ninik, who is one of the nicest people on the server, never gave it a second thought when her iksar egg reward from the resistance shifting armor suit event in NK was yoinked two years ago. The replacement failed to occur since she already had a guise from the actual camp.

So Nilbog and Ninik and I are looking for suggestions for a suitable alternative reward. The preferred criteria are fun and novel toys that already exist on the server.

K go.

Idea #1: Oasis of Marr: Maybe Cazel or Lockjaw has a cousin that visits & creates all kind of havoc.

Idea #2: Western Karana: Hide n Seek - maybe shrink everyone involved to make distance more + place ground spawns to find like a scavenger hunt or a hide n seek (can Gms hide from tracking?)

Idea #3: WK ^ the bertox plague as was on Live many years ago. c`mon who remembers running from those swarms? hahaha

Idea #4: Ocean of Tears, Timorous Deep or any zone: Sunken treasure to find or a hard to locate monster with rare find_01. Maybe de-spawns after an hour to reappear in another hidden part of another zone or some randomness, like the evil castle in Movie:Krull, always appearing somewhere else.

[fishingme]

I know it would take some time, but instead of items given out to people for events; how about developing a new zone that is on the norrath maps but was never implemented and have the zone open to everyone for a day or a week that has some sort of gear set. Either random drops of items that go from cloth to raid boss mobs/epic pieces, or level appropriate for the zone. That is of course unless there's a want to implement non-classic items. I figure it would be better than just giving one person an award whom sure they'll have fun with but a new zone open to everyone where loot is a possibility for everyone, maybe a large zone with swarms or waves of mobs attacking everyone at the zone-in. Instead of a tank and spank zone, there will actually be risk for everyone levels 1-60 along with risks to large zerg guilds.

[Naethyn]

Scepter of Al`Kabor
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6456

I saw one on live when I first started and it looks very cool. Later expansion, when Al'Kabor was a raid mob he had it equipped.

[Freakish]

Announce ninik as the official winner of the CoF and AON thread.

[Nivar Quartz]

F it i'll say it, this is why Uthgaard is missed on p99.

[Cecily]

p99 already has custom titles. they are rare on purpose.

Dunno if you'll read this, but would you mind fixing mine sometime please? I was told you figured out how to get rid of the double space I still have in Wyntir__the Preserver.

(Blue Server)
http://i.imgur.com/1kNd87V.png

[uygi]

Remember the mobs in Grieg's End that would cast (proc?) all the crazy illusions on players? I vote that we give Ninik a similar ability through a rebuilt Tolan bracer. It should be named Ninik's Gigglescale Bracer. Clicking it summons a stack of Mystical Cookies. Mystical cookies are throwing weapons that proc Illusion:Gnomesies. Illusion:Gnomesies turns players into a random (totally random, including gender) gnome but leaves the character their original size. The EC tunnel will get so awesome when Ninik comes through...

The effect for cast on you would be "A gnome-shaped cookie bounces off of your forehead. You feel... different."

[Khaleesi]

"Ninik's Passage"
Earring
NO TRADE, NO DROP
Cast ability : Passage to the E'citin' Everfost Peaks (6 sec cast)

Purpose : Teleports your target to the secret entrance to Permafrost 3300, -6400 in Everfrost Peaks.

Mechanics : Works in the same way as a Cobalt Bracer - must target player and the have to be in group.

Function : I thought of this because it is unique and yet not game breaking. It's merely a neat little toy to send individuals to a place that is admittedly tedious to reach. That side of the world would see much more healthy activity, if the travel was sped up a bit.

Just imagine Divinity wants to start up a lowbie static group that does all of it's levelling on that side of Antonica. This would be an efficient way to move everyone there in one clump, or for a less stressful CR, or etc.

[Neno]

p99 already has custom titles. they are rare on purpose.

Unique titles were rewarded to players back in the day on p99 and then nuked sometime later because they weren't handed out on live and thus not classic. RIP "the Dragonslayer" and "the Godhammer".

So has the official stance on titles that were never rewarded on live changed?

[spryler]

If you are interested in what Ninik would like -

A non combat pet (cute animal only)

OR

The baby bear Druid spell on her Cleric (Ninik)

Might not be possible, but she would be happy forever, fyi.

[Bazia]

sirken already said nothing fun

give them the shitty firework clicky and close the thread

[Plackers]

How about give them nothing. This is a free server enjoy the fact that it's free.

[uygi]

How about give them nothing. This is a free server enjoy the fact that it's free.

Because we can thank/reward the people that make it more fun. There are tons of players on P99 that detract from the fun. There are a few, like Ninik, that make the game more fun for everyone, devs included.

[Ravager]

If you don't think Ninik shouldn't get anything fun, you haven't met Ninik. This server is better because of Ninik and I only met Ninik in passing. Not many people can leave such an impression in a span of 2 minutes.