Dual Wield & Double Attack Chance by Skill Level

[maskedmelon]

Anyone have a link to a spreadsheet or know offhand what the chance is to dual wield at each (or just max) skill level? Is the chance to double attack with primary hand the same as the chance to dual wield? What about secondary hand? I know secondary hand doesn't begin to double attack at all until the character reaches 150 skill.

[Kutsumo]

Dual wield chance:

Monks
(level+skill)/400 X 100 = % (78% at level 60)

wars/rangers (maybe rogues?)
(level+skill)/500 x 100 = % (60% at level 60)

Fairly certain that offhand has the same double attack chance as mainhand once you hit 150 skill, though obviously a double attack will only fire when your offhand swings.

[maskedmelon]

Thanks Kutsu.

Also,

1. are the double attack chance formulae the same as the dual wield formulae you listed above?
2. Does anyone have any idea when the DW check is performed? Is it performed on every main hand swing, or every time the offhand delay cycles. In other words is it possible to swing with your offhand without your main hand? I suppose watching my swings could tell me this if I equipped two different weapons ^^

[Kutsumo]

1. Double attack is different. Some have said this is the formula, but I don't see any truly clear resources on this: % chance to double attack = (your skill) / [("max skill")*1.05], where max skill is supposedly a constant with the value of 400. This would give most classes a 60% double attack chance.

2. Dual wield checks are performed at the delay of the offhand weapon. Mainhand and offhand are completely independent and can swing independently. In other words the answer to your question is yes. One interesting note here is that offhand can proc even if the dual wield check fails, so the "proc check" happens before the DW check. This makes something like venomous axe a really nice offhand at low levels when you rarely swing offhand.

[maskedmelon]

Awesome thanks! That will help with weapon selections ^^

[Jimjam]

Another thing worth mentioning is your off hand weapon can proc even on a round when duel wield fails to make it swing.

[Yinikren]

An offhand weapon has to swing in order to proc. Don't spread this misinformation.

[Jimjam]

An offhand weapon has to swing in order to proc. Don't spread this misinformation.

Have you tested this? I have tested this.

Another thing about duel wield is swinging a two handed weapon doesn't reset the off hand timer, so you can unequip a 2 hander between primary swings to throw punches with your off hand.

[Kutsumo]

Have you tested this? I have tested this.

Yeah Jimjam is 100% right. I've tested this also.

[Jimjam]

For the sceptical, I looked at a recent log where I know I was using a 1hb with proc in off hand for a while...

[Fri Nov 13 23:41:43 2015] an advisor's casting is interrupted!
[Fri Nov 13 23:41:43 2015] An advisor tries to punch Roem, but Roem parries!
[Fri Nov 13 23:41:44 2015] Toenaily begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Nov 13 23:41:44 2015] That is not an object you can open.
[Fri Nov 13 23:41:44 2015] Roem slashes an advisor for 17 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:41:44 2015] Roem tries to slash an advisor, but misses!
[Fri Nov 13 23:41:44 2015] Your Location is 173.01, 0.18, -192.15
[Fri Nov 13 23:41:44 2015] Your body simmers with fury.
[Fri Nov 13 23:41:44 2015] You try to slash an advisor, but miss!
[Fri Nov 13 23:41:44 2015] Roem slashes an advisor for 28 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:41:45 2015] Your hand extinguishes.

[Fri Nov 13 23:49:18 2015] You kick a shadowy scribe for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:49:18 2015] a shadowy scribe regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Nov 13 23:49:18 2015] Roem feels a bit dispelled.
[Fri Nov 13 23:49:18 2015] A shadowy scribe pierces Roem for 45 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:49:18 2015] A shadowy scribe tries to pierce Roem, but misses!
[Fri Nov 13 23:49:18 2015] You try to slash a shadowy scribe, but miss!
[Fri Nov 13 23:49:19 2015] Roem tells the group, 'Was watching a lil stream of it'
[Fri Nov 13 23:49:19 2015] Your body simmers with fury.
[Fri Nov 13 23:49:19 2015] Roem slashes a shadowy scribe for 21 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:49:20 2015] Superchill slashes a shadowy scribe for 68 points of damage.

[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] Superchill slashes a deathly herald for 78 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] Your Location is 182.51, 10.21, -192.15
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] You slash a deathly herald for 9 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] Roem scores a critical hit! (34)
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] Roem slashes a deathly herald for 37 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] Roem tries to slash a deathly herald, but misses!
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] Roem slashes a deathly herald for 13 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] Roem slashes a deathly herald for 22 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] A deathly herald was pierced by thorns.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] A deathly herald punches Roem for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:57 2015] Roem kicks a deathly herald for 1 point of damage.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:58 2015] Your body simmers with fury.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:58 2015] You think you are heading South.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:59 2015] That is not an object you can open.
[Fri Nov 13 23:58:59 2015] Roem slashes a deathly herald for 27 points of damage.

[Sat Nov 14 00:05:18 2015] You think you are heading SouthEast.
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:18 2015] That is not an object you can open.
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:18 2015] Your feet adhere to the ground.
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:18 2015] Your Location is 190.09, 15.21, -192.15
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:18 2015] A glyphed sentry tries to punch YOU, but misses!
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:19 2015] Trippeh tells the group, 'Casting Healing on >> Kerain <<'
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:19 2015] Firewizzyx tells the group, 'A dark sacrificer pet is a hjaap and has been mez'd'
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:19 2015] Your body simmers with fury.
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:19 2015] Trippeh begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:19 2015] That is not an object you can open.
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:20 2015] A dark sacrificer pet hits Firewizzyx for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:20 2015] Your Location is 190.09, 15.21, -192.15
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:20 2015] You try to kick a glyphed sentry, but miss!
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:20 2015] You slash a glyphed sentry for 43 points of damage.
[Sat Nov 14 00:05:20 2015] Firewizzyx begins to cast a spell.

[Sat Nov 14 00:07:49 2015] You slash a ghoulish ancille for 7 points of damage.
[Sat Nov 14 00:07:49 2015] A ghoulish ancille was pierced by thorns.
[Sat Nov 14 00:07:49 2015] a ghoulish ancille was hit by non-melee for 26 points of damage.
[Sat Nov 14 00:07:49 2015] A ghoulish ancille punches YOU for 56 points of damage.
[Sat Nov 14 00:07:50 2015] Your body simmers with fury.
[Sat Nov 14 00:07:51 2015] a ghoulish ancille has taken 3 damage from your Flame Lick.


Using a 1hs and iksar berserker club (fleeting fury) in off hand.

As you can see often there is no 1hb swing within a second of a proc going off. This is due to the off hand timer cycling and 1) failing to produce a swing but 2) succeeding at producing a proc.

This mechanic is why polished granite tomahawk is such a popular off hand proc for lower levels. It provides a meaningful tanking pad whilst sacrificing negligible dps.

[chipz]

An offhand weapon has to swing in order to proc. Don't spread this misinformation.

Man, you got shut down quick.