Out of all the boxes, is this one the bluest?

[lite]

Many don't know this, since I am a known PVP God, but I am fairly new to the box scene. I only got into red 99 as Kunark started.

Anyways, I always hear people talking about all these awesome matches and pvp that went down on other boxes. It seems things were quite different from red 99, where contesting never happens for one reason or another.

Yes Red 99 might be the most stable box, but is it also the bluest?

If you can cite another box where PVP was far more prominent, please tell us about it.

Where did the matches break out? How did pvp get started? How available was it? etc

[Lulz.Sect]

I lost the box. I am mad.

[Stasis01]

People don't like mass PVP more than the PVE progression style or else more would be doing it.

I hate to quote Nirgon, but hate the game not the playa.

(My favorite part of EQ is mass pvp, I wish it wasn't so)

[iruinedyourday]

I have a hard time understanding what is the 'right way to pvp'.. I came from rallos zek, where the server was all about progression as per designed by the original creator and god brad mcquaid envisioned it.

It was more difficult than the blue servers, becuse its a free for all wild west, where if someone wanted to be a bandit and go around the world killing people, they could.. that made the game even harder for them, becuse they had to hang out and progress with other bandits, that often are difficult to trust. Even here, when I hang with known pvpers theres always that fear that they may just kill you for kek's.

So to me, PvP here is working as designed in the original classic sense.

Is that what everyone wants here? Yes and No of course.

Lite, what do YOU think pvp on the box should be like? In a perfect utopian world, what would a night on the server be like?

Like Smite? you log on, level 1 and by the end of the night you are level 50 fully geared just via PVP?

Like Battlefield? Everyone is level 60 and geared basically the same and we just log into North Freeport and just pvp for like 20-40 mins for a nice KDR?

Or like EQ? Lots of PvE progression - gankers and pvp guilds roaming trying to stop progression of strangers for reasons?

Curious, what is your ideal pvp lifestyle? This question goes out to everyone, since everyone seems to think everyone else is doing it wrong.... what is your way of right?

Me personaly? basically what we got here.. I think its a great mix of PvE and PvP.. Although Id like to see 20-30 people in NFP just logging on to PVP for KDR :)

[lite]

tldr nonfactor

[iruinedyourday]

This was the least trolly post ive eve rmade and im serious lite, i just wana talk pvp with ya since you like to post pics of your food here lets chat.

[lite]

This was the least trolly post ive eve rmade and im serious lite, i just wana talk pvp with ya since you like to post pics of your food here lets chat.

literally have no idea who u r, just see u being a super forum tryhard.

[iruinedyourday]

literally have no idea who u r, just see u being a super forum tryhard.

come on man I'm earnestly responding to your question... I mean at least I play here...

[TheBiznessTZ]

looking forward to reading this thread all day while im at work /workcorn

[lite]

come on man I'm earnestly responding to your question... I mean at least I play here...

My answer would most likely be oriented towards what a night of proper Kunark pvp would have been like, which is what I campaigned for time and time again.

The fact that sim repops were never automated and caused any non zerg guilds to not be viable, led to us entering Velious with the horrible guild composition we have at the moment.

There's absolutely no reason for why we couldn't have entered Velious with several viable competing guilds. Now repairing the damage is too much imo.

You have an administrator, whose GM's tell him that the server's fucked and spawns need to be fixed. Then he implements a system which makes pvp blow up, then he forgets all about it even though he set up the system to require his presence, instead of automating it. Rogean literally doesn't give a fuck, and I lost all faith in the box because of it.

Were you there for Red Dawn v Nihilum V Azrael for Severilous?

Something like that. This situation only came about because all factions involved were not bound by progress being tied up to 7 day timers. Then sim pops were not seen again except for once every few months and it went back to just nihilum.

[Colgate]

the reason we couldn't enter velious with several viable competing guilds is because you guys are bad at leading guilds and give up after a single loss

[lite]

the reason we couldn't enter velious with several viable competing guilds is because you guys are bad at leading guilds and give up after a single loss

Zergs are not guilds, my friend.

Rogean said it best.. u bad

[iruinedyourday]

My answer would most likely be oriented towards what a night of proper Kunark pvp would have been like, which is what I campaigned for time and time again.

The fact that sim repops were never automated and caused any non zerg guilds to not be viable, led to us entering Velious with the horrible guild composition we have at the moment.

There's absolutely no reason for why we couldn't have entered Velious with several viable competing guilds. Now repairing the damage is too much imo.

Were you there for Red Dawn v Nihilum V Azrael for Severilous?

Something like that. This situation only came about because all factions involved were not bound by progress being tied up to 7 day timers. Then sim pops were not seen again except for once every few months and it went back to just nihilum.

I honestly think a box like that could be fun but I think its an even faster progression than what we have here.. Which I totally think would be fun.. albeit I think progression on r99 is already too fast as it is with the EXP bonus and low pop.

Personally though, if it just comes down to competition for you, I don't think its gear that makes a guild able to compete, its the will of the army and the organization of the leadership. I mean you surely would agree that is at least a major factor. You are able to build a guild of people that are nigh on cultish with there worship of you, I think thats great.

But like Ive said in other posts and many many empire have said, there are plenty of mobs left up for competing guilds to hone their skill and gear up with...

I'm 100% sure that sim repops would increase the speed at which a guild can gear up and compete, but without a friendly like minded group of individuals any competition just seems to fall apart. With sim repops I think that would still happen, just a select 10-20% of players would gear up a lot faster.

Sounds like the old days were fun here, but I can assure you, the modern days are fun as hell too, if not exactly what you are after.. Idk man.. There are some extrodinarly tallented pvpers outside of empire, and quite a few that are drasticaly better geared.. its their personalities that i think prevent competition, not so much the sim repops.

[pgerman]

the reason we couldn't enter velious with several viable competing guilds is because you guys are bad at leading guilds and give up after a single loss



Not many people have the time to lead guilds here, its true.

I am impressed with your 18 hour a day commitment for the last two years .

God only knows what you've missed out on.

Bless those little noodle arms. Bless them.

[snufzaimoverlord]

Love being in a casual raiding guild that takes 4 days a week off and only raids 4 hours a night.

Must be horrible to set alarms to vampire hours to slay Kunark mobs?

[Bazia]

mass pvp is a dumb clusterfuck of random shit going on

[Lasher]

This box is pretty much like every other box in terms of pvp and raid scene.

Every box had a #1 guild that was able to oppress the other guilds until #1 guild got bored and stopped playing allowing lower guilds to take over until new content was added.

How this box differs is that the content and coding is way better and macroquesting didnt shut the server down like it did on other pvp server. Other server had warping, tons of duping, crashing zones.

What the other box had that this doesnt was two guilds that had a leader(s) to rely on and that could lead

[Sriracha]

yo dumb shit ur ranting in server chat again

get banned

[Drakaris]

People don't like mass PVP more than the PVE progression style or else more would be doing it.

I hate to quote Nirgon, but hate the game not the playa.

(My favorite part of EQ is mass pvp, I wish it wasn't so)

I actually agree with you on this. R99 is fairly boring right now and only reason why I raided in nihilum was because I could afk raid from work many years ago when my role had no challenges. The mass pvp was the highlights by far and I enjoyed the game just as much when nihilum was the underdog on nizzars fabled D3 break.

Now I'm in charge of the infrastructure (given that the infrastructure manager is on leave) technical project manager for new business and am an adhoc dev when needed. Raiding @ work was over a very long time ago when my role was solely application support and I knew the system inside-out.

[vouss]

the reason we couldn't enter velious with several viable competing guilds is because you guys are bad at leading guilds and give up after a single loss

It was your current guild members that gave up and left after a single loss

[AzzarTheGod]

It was your current guild members that gave up and left after a single loss

Bullshit.

Closer to the truth:

Grinch was a leader and his guys got banned, those characters were part of the morale. Vapos chars were needed for morale they were all being played. Add to that Lite would shred morale into ribbons after each loss that he logged in for.

Lite bashing and screaming at new players from <Fresh> giving them the shakes so bad they couldn't even press /assist come next mass PvP fight.

Yeah I just can't seem to remember that whole "people leaving after a single loss" thing ever happening during the actual GG meltdown...tried real hard.

[Drakaris]

I'm actually going to agree with you. Lite screaming at new players and selling rage fire leggings to the enemy right in front of them was. . . Just fucking lol. . .

Lite arguing with vapo and forcing the guild to clash head on when most players still needed planar was another factor.

But the nail in the coffin was the fact that gyno could contact Sirken directly and get all the characters banned with loaned gear (because gyno stripped them and resold the gear first time around) just shows how easy access empire has to a lead GM that can come back from a break to make server-changing decisions on the fly.

Empire own the server. That's all there is to it.

[Agatha]

I'm actually going to agree with you. Lite screaming at new players and selling rage fire leggings to the enemy right in front of them was. . . Just fucking lol. . .

Lite arguing with vapo and forcing the guild to clash head on when most players still needed planar was another factor.

But the nail in the coffin was the fact that gyno could contact Sirken directly and get all the characters banned with loaned gear (because gyno stripped them and resold the gear first time around) just shows how easy access empire has to a lead GM that can come back from a break to make server-changing decisions on the fly.

Empire own the server. That's all there is to it.

im also going to agree with you but im also going to correct you a bit here, first sirken went to vapo and gave him the chance to redeem himself. instead vaporize decided to take the (moral lol, on a pvp server) and name ONE character of gyno's.

Sirken took this as a slight and instead went to gyno and offered him the deal, don't get it twisted, vapo's characters being banned are all on him. mountains where moved so he could retain his shit, we had our chance to swing on holocaust hard and he didn't take it.

and thats the mother fucking truth. dont let anyone else tell you differently.

P.S. i have not had a relationship with sirken since that day. so thanks vapo.

[Tassador]

Man lite fq up probably hands down the best thread starter right now

[lite]

only thing Vapo and I argued about is who was gonna suck the other's dick first, for being such red motherfuckers.

[Ragnaros]

I care

[Ragnaros]

Bestow might have some colgate pictures for you

[SamwiseRed]

Old school nilly, before all the holo nut swingers bent the knee to the duke, obliterated everyone from the former boxes. I am pretty sure past boxes had less pvp on them than red99 or most of the vztzers were garbage players (prob both.) That being said, red99 is the bluest pvp mmo ive ever played.

tldr past boxes were populated by garbage players, red is still pretty blue as far as pvp is concerned.

[vouss]

Bullshit.

Closer to the truth:

Vaporize wasn't in Azrael. NEXT

[AzzarTheGod]

Vaporize wasn't in Azrael. NEXT


vapo is a nonfactor yowl

[Colgate]

Old school nilly, before all the holo nut swingers bent the knee to the duke, obliterated everyone from the former boxes. I am pretty sure past boxes had less pvp on them than red99 or most of the vztzers were garbage players (prob both.) That being said, red99 is the bluest pvp mmo ive ever played.

tldr past boxes were populated by garbage players, red is still pretty blue as far as pvp is concerned.

u sound bitter

iirc you didn't even start playing here until months after the holocaust ban, and never played past boxes

[Stasis01]

Old school nilly, before all the holo nut swingers bent the knee to the duke, obliterated everyone from the former boxes. I am pretty sure past boxes had less pvp on them than red99 or most of the vztzers were garbage players (prob both.) That being said, red99 is the bluest pvp mmo ive ever played.

tldr past boxes were populated by garbage players, red is still pretty blue as far as pvp is concerned.

Actually we beat Nihi over and over in PVP leading to our ban.

We couldn't kill Naggy - we were PVE noobs. I think we wiped 10x over a few weeks.

Then we beat the strat out of one of them and put him in a wall resulting in our ban and ultimate downward spiral.

Nihi was the superior neckbeards and they won fair and square, and we lost most of the POF fights when it was released mostly due to IP exemption insta camping clerics with trains on them. I dunno who trains though those guys are dicks.

[Stasis01]

Also we won most of our Guk fights, and really the only time Nihi was ahead was when they neckbearded to 50 and walled Naggy for a few weeks while we caught up.

[lite]

:(Also we won most of our Guk fights, and really the only time Nihi was ahead was when they neckbearded to 50 and walled Naggy for a few weeks while we caught up.

yeah, I mean Neck bearding is so beneath any Holocaust member... Nilly only got ahead cus they were willing to resort to that sort of thing. Thank God for nilly ya'll weren't about that life.

[SamwiseRed]

tbh both guilds should have been banned for exploiting however the holo ban wasn't even permanent. what, did it last a week or two? I saw plenty of holo on a week after the ban. Uprising merging into nilly pretty much sealed the deal, not your ban. i also played well before the holo ban as I was online when the ban was announced. I rejoiced at the time because Donkee and some other holo dudes trained me constantly on my first char (samwise wasn't my main at server launch.) Anyhow regardless of the gay ban, there was no stopping Nihilum. The only VZTZ guild that stuck around and continually fought the good fight was FF. My favorite moments were being that lvl 39 druid taking part in mass pvp in solb. I will never forget Arzak staying on me the entire fight while I chain healed HB and Abysmal.

RIP FATHERHOOD (Founding Fathers and Brotherhood alliance)

damn, I kinda forgot how gungho HB was in classic. I remember him sending me tells to hurry and buff/heal him so he could get back into the fight. Dude was pretty red back then. Pras classic HB.

[ducktv]

Not many people have the time to lead guilds here, its true.

I am impressed with your 18 hour a day commitment for the last two years .

God only knows what you've missed out on.

Bless those little noodle arms. Bless them.

18 years old, 18 hours a day. but at least he goes to music festivals with his girlfriend.


Love being in a casual raiding guild that takes 4 days a week off and only raids 4 hours a night.

Must be horrible to set alarms to vampire hours to slay Kunark mobs?

isn't your goal next week to come contest and steal those vampire hour kunark mobs? yikes.


I dunno who trains though those guys are dicks.

I audibly chuckled.

[kildone]

Every time I see a thread that has potential discussion it turns into who did what when to whom or why we are better than you.

Looking forward to comments on the original post.

[kildone]

I have a hard time understanding what is the 'right way to pvp'.. I came from rallos zek, where the server was all about progression as per designed by the original creator and god brad mcquaid envisioned it.

It was more difficult than the blue servers, becuse its a free for all wild west, where if someone wanted to be a bandit and go around the world killing people, they could.. that made the game even harder for them, becuse they had to hang out and progress with other bandits, that often are difficult to trust. Even here, when I hang with known pvpers theres always that fear that they may just kill you for kek's.

So to me, PvP here is working as designed in the original classic sense.

Is that what everyone wants here? Yes and No of course.

Lite, what do YOU think pvp on the box should be like? In a perfect utopian world, what would a night on the server be like?

Like Smite? you log on, level 1 and by the end of the night you are level 50 fully geared just via PVP?

Like Battlefield? Everyone is level 60 and geared basically the same and we just log into North Freeport and just pvp for like 20-40 mins for a nice KDR?

Or like EQ? Lots of PvE progression - gankers and pvp guilds roaming trying to stop progression of strangers for reasons?

Curious, what is your ideal pvp lifestyle? This question goes out to everyone, since everyone seems to think everyone else is doing it wrong.... what is your way of right?

Me personaly? basically what we got here.. I think its a great mix of PvE and PvP.. Although Id like to see 20-30 people in NFP just logging on to PVP for KDR :)

I don't think EQ pvp was ever designed. It was more of how to hammer the square peg into a round hole so we they get a few more subscribers. Many people had fun on the various servers but I never seen any well thought out posts back in the day that said anything other than "EQ never was and never will be a balanced, well designed pvp game. "

[Kergan]

The reason EQ will never be a well designed and balanced game in PVP is because it was never designed or balanced for PVP.

[Vamael]

Lite was the single only reason I would never join his guild. I don't want him in charge of anything, or making choices. His entire time on the box, I never wanted him to lead. I don't want in on a mass guild in ToV either. Hello PDM pals =)

[Mudslinger]

My answer would most likely be oriented towards what a night of proper Kunark pvp would have been like, which is what I campaigned for time and time again.

The fact that sim repops were never automated and caused any non zerg guilds to not be viable, led to us entering Velious with the horrible guild composition we have at the moment.

There's absolutely no reason for why we couldn't have entered Velious with several viable competing guilds.
There is 1 reason .... you

You wouldn't recruit while Holo was building its numbers you sat on the side line with an elitist attitude and then repeatedly destroyed each and every guild you were involved with ......

GRATZ LITE


Thank you for leaving p99


I see people speak about " The Duke " often in ooc .

You are never mentioned .

[ducktv]

I see people speak about " The Duke " often in ooc .

You are never mentioned .

pretry sure his guild, azrael, is mentioned like. 5 times a day. by rustled empire who think anyone not empire is azrael. propaganda machine is in full swing in the Zerg.

[Servant]

If I wanted to lead a guild to compete in the long-term with Empire, I'd put the guild together to do some 2nd tier raids, oldworld and Kunark stuff, zealously boot the rabble-rousers and smack-talkers and griefers out, and negotiate a time-limited peace with Empire strictly in regards to raids. Keep up a stable diplomatic channel between the guilds to handle any conflicts that arise, renegotiate the terms of peace on a schedule, and then eventually allow the peace to expire and compete directly via PVP or celerity for Velious raid targets. People that are treated with respect and maturity will typically respond in kind...

[Servant]

My instincts have always been for peace and diplomacy. I find that it is much more effective than direct Rams-In-Spring confrontation, especially from the point of view of the weaker party.

All I'm saying is, if Empire's hegemony has been so well-established, so long-term, and all y'all on the outside are wringin' yer hands over that fact, perhaps it's time to try a slightly different tactic from the /ooc poop flinging and forumquesting... Melding all the little awesome pvp guilds into one gigantic miasma of peen-fueled brinksmanship is NOT the ticket, such guilds inevitably devolve into cliques, blamefesting, and dissolution.

Otherwise, you can all be Chinese and play at really strange hours. Worked pretty well for the Peacebreakers vs. Ascending Dawn on RZ back in the day, prolly work here too :)

[heartbrand]

Classic was the only real PvP this box ever saw. You could log on and have instant constant zone control fights in guk / sol b where people went at it without a fuck about YT or plugging. Was tons of fun. Kunark turned the box into a zone hugging fest and fights where people were in deep annoying spots to get to that made PvP not fun.

[AzzarTheGod]

pretry sure his guild, azrael, is mentioned like. 5 times a day. by rustled empire who think anyone not empire is azrael. propaganda machine is in full swing in the Zerg.

Cringe.

Hear that? It's the sound of something whizzing over your head..

The duke is praised as an individual, years after his reign.

Nobody even talks about lite personally never mind praises him.

[FoxxHound]

I lost the box. I am mad.

[Star]

Pvp still happens just gotta know where to go