Wizard and manarobe

[FraggleRock]

Manarobe worth while getting for a wizard? I never understood it really almost seems like you get the same mana meddling as casting robe. What am I missing?

[Daldaen]

Medding gives 21 mana a tick
Manna Robe can be clicked twice in 1 tick, for 40 mana.

Epic is 800 Absorb, or 13-14 clicks of Manna Robe.

So 15 seconds Epic rune, 15x3=45 seconds Manna Robe. So 60 seconds for 300 Mana in 1 minute.

Medding would've gained you just 210 Mana.

Add in Regrowth on your wizard and you can eat more into your HP and regen it back as you go.

Increases mana regen by 30% or so if you are clicking religiously.

[Vallanor]

I have neither a manna robe nor the epic (yet!), but I calculated this out one day at work when I was bored.

It's most efficient to click the robe between server ticks, and sit down for the actual server tick. This nets you 41 mana per tick, which is the same as Daldaen's 40 mana per tick if you account for the 1 mana per tick you automatically get while standing. However, you cast your epic rune half as often.

Spam clicking the manna robe nets you 287 mana over 7 ticks (14 clicks * 20 mana per click + 1 mana per tick * 7 ticks) and 2.5 mana over 2.5 ticks as you refresh the epic rune. This amounts to 289.5/9.5 = 30.5 mana per tick in the long run, or an increase of 9.5 mana per tick over sitting (which is a flat 21 mana per tick).

If you time your manna robe clicks to be between server ticks and sit for the actual server tick, you end up with 574 mana over 14 ticks (14 clicks * 20 mana per click + 21 mana per tick * 14 ticks) and 2.5 mana over 2.5 ticks as you refresh the epic run. This amounts to 576.5/16.5 = ~35 mana per tick in the long run or an increase of 14 mana per tick. This is better than C2!.

Note that the math ignores the fact that the epic rune also gives an extra 3 mana per tick, which should maybe be factored in. And the click, sit/stand, click, sit/stand method is obviously more annoying. If you calculate annoyance in units of mana per tick, you may be better off spam clicking. And Daldaen is definitely right that if you have some kind of hitpoint regen, you can extend it even further before refreshing the rune which will make the epic + robe combo even better. Either way, manna robe + epic is much more than just medding. I'm hoping to try it out someday soon!

[Jaxon]

You gain 12 mana a tic(a 50% increase) while you're actively using your manna robe. These are the numbers over a 2 minute period:

Manna Robe + Epic: 725mana(36.25/tic)
Epic Alone: 480 mana(24/tic)

To efficiently use the manna robe you need to canni dance, using it between med tics. Spam clicking your manna robe will only burn through your rune twice as fast to no additional effect.

I tested this in game and went from 2002 to 2727 mana in 120 seconds. The mana you gain from the cycle is broken down like this:
16 Manna Robe clicks @ 20 mana = 320 mana
14 sitting med tics with epic @ 24 mana = 336 mana
2 sitting med tics without epic @ 21 mana = 42 mana

At this point you begin recasting your epic
3 standing med tics without epic @ 1 mana = 3 mana

You then wait one tic to time your next mana robe click:
1 sitting med tic with epic @ 24 mana = 24 mana

Total: 725 mana.

While doing this you will take 960 damage from your manna robe. Your epic rune absorbs 800 of that, you take 160 and regen around 120 from sitting, leaving you 40 hp down over the cycle. If you have additional hp regen you can click your robe more often in between runes and increase your efficiency.

[Colgate]

manna robe even better on red where you can sit cast

[Daldaen]

For a few months until duck interrupts casts on red.