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[Gustoo]

There are a lot of people on blue server and I talked to some of them and they are having a fun time, but these are probably not raiding players.

Word on the streets is that seeing /ooc on red makes people throw up and quit instantly. Maybe a good idea to implement the regional OOC or standard classic EQ ooc system.

Just speculating here.

[DRAGONBAIT]

plz make a grp channel where only LFGs are allowed and thats it.

[Swish]

plz make a grp channel where only LFGs are allowed and thats it.

there are no flaws in that plan.

[Videri]

There are a lot of people on blue server and I talked to some of them and they are having a fun time, but these are probably not raiding players.

Word on the streets is that seeing /ooc on red makes people throw up and quit instantly. Maybe a good idea to implement the regional OOC or standard classic EQ ooc system.

Just speculating here.

I fully agree. People will respond to this by saying those who don't like OOC should just put it in a separate window and minimize it. That does not, in fact, solve the problem. The problem is that OOC gives people a very negative impression of what people are like on Red. Most people don't want to play on a server that contains some of these OOC garbage talkers. Plus, seeing people act like jerks in OOC gives other players permission to act like jerks as well. It reinforces itself. Finding a way to separate out the garbage or perhaps eliminate a completely global chat channel would allow Red to become a better place.

[quido]

people are still going to act like jerks

[Smedy]

i enjoy reading ooc after a yellow text or something like that but people spewing garbage should be #banban

[Lasher]

Yeah OOC is like the Drudge Report. If you dont like it dont read it

[Tassador]

Do we really want players on red that get upset by ooc when they can turn that off? Eq players are so sensitive lol.

[heartbrand]

Yeah OOC is like the Drudge Report. If you dont like it dont read it

Lol'ed

[Shrubwise]

http://i.imgur.com/9wUhX5E.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ARxJlNa.jpg

A problem easily solved. Next?

[surron]

global ooc is needed for trading, ports and LFG. without it red would feel barren.

if people complain about some trolls in /ooc I wonder how bad they're gonna cry when someone kills them on a corpse run

[Swish]

Can't have it both ways. Just ignore the people that are rustling you if it's really that bad (it isn't).

[Onus]

Bluebies

[vouss]

People who can't stand the /ooc are going to feel griefed by everything else that happens on Red server anyways

[Malevz]

People who can't stand the /ooc are going to feel griefed by everything else that happens on Red server anyways

Never liked global OOC, feel like auction should be global, throttled and for ports/lfg/auctions. OOC could be continent/area based, or global in cities.

That said, Vouss makes a good point.

[Feanol]

People who can't stand the /ooc are going to feel griefed by everything else that happens on Red server anyways

[RoguePhantom]

People who can't stand the /ooc are going to feel griefed by everything else that happens on Red server anyways

Which is why we have a server with a population of 300 Max. Letting the inmates run the Asylum.

One dedicated GM (to watch OOC, take care of RED ONLY petitions/Reports) will go a LONG way in making this server not a complete shitbox.

[Tiewon Shu]

I fully agree. People will respond to this by saying those who don't like OOC should just put it in a separate window and minimize it. That does not, in fact, solve the problem. The problem is that OOC gives people a very negative impression of what people are like on Red. Most people don't want to play on a server that contains some of these OOC garbage talkers. Plus, seeing people act like jerks in OOC gives other players permission to act like jerks as well. It reinforces itself. Finding a way to separate out the garbage or perhaps eliminate a completely global chat channel would allow Red to become a better place.

No offense, but your way is like trying to cure an epidemic by hiding all the infected.

Eliminating global chat or making the OOC "LFG only" does not solve the problem. You will still have the same toxic people in your community. If you want to cure a disease you need to treat it at the source. The solution is to outcast and shun the players that make Red an undesirable box to play. Once they are off your server, you can commence having a nice OOC chat box.

[Tiewon Shu]

Which is why we have a server with a population of 300 Max. Letting the inmates run the Asylum.

One dedicated GM (to watch OOC, take care of RED ONLY petitions/Reports) will go a LONG way in making this server not a complete shitbox.

Why not just use your PvP tools? If you see a toxic player in the OOC, the entire server should address it by creating a manhunt and killing his character until he is forced off the server. After a while, you'll see players behave. :)

[Gustoo]

I fully agree. People will respond to this by saying those who don't like OOC should just put it in a separate window and minimize it. That does not, in fact, solve the problem. The problem is that OOC gives people a very negative impression of what people are like on Red. Most people don't want to play on a server that contains some of these OOC garbage talkers. Plus, seeing people act like jerks in OOC gives other players permission to act like jerks as well. It reinforces itself. Finding a way to separate out the garbage or perhaps eliminate a completely global chat channel would allow Red to become a better place.

[Gustoo]

People can be jerks, they can act like jerks, whatever.

The problem is that OOC allows flamboyant mean players a norrath wide channel to put their nonsense out there.

Because OOC is a general channel, most players are not going to turn it off.

Additionally, most new to the server guys don't even know how to turn off chat channels, and by the time they figure it out, the damage will have been done, since they have already spent a lot of time seeing what goes on in /ooc

It is bad for classic, it is bad for server experience and it is bad for server growth. You log into red and feel surrounded by toxic.

Regular grief and the normal interactions on the server are nothing like the non stop 100% of the time poison coming from OOC.

So that is why I was thinking maybe OOC is bad. And then how Agatha likes OOC so much seems like a good indicator of its badness? Maybe maybenot

[Malevz]

Why not just use your PvP tools? If you see a toxic player in the OOC, the entire server should address it by creating a manhunt and killing his character until he is forced off the server. After a while, you'll see players behave. :)

Vallon used to be like this. LnS was played enforced, you didn't attack naked people or train, people that shit talked ended up blackballed from any decent guild.

This server isn't as toxic as you'd think. If you watch ooc it's a lot of the same people and their alts. I mean everything says something stupid sometime, but the main offenders are the same people looking for attention and approval.

[Gustoo]

Yes, the current global OOC gives a false impression of the toxicity of the server.

And unfortunately the majority of guys here try to think of themselves as "elite PK awesome guys" which they never were on live. People with this mind set would have been the extreme minority of any live PVP server but it is not the case here. These type of players are not the ones that will community police anything.

[Celedor]

This server isn't as toxic as you'd think. If you watch ooc it's a lot of the same people and their alts. I mean everything says something stupid sometime, but the main offenders are the same people looking for attention and approval.

When I first created a char on red I was dismayed by the insults and trash talk in /ooc, and I almost left. I don't mind PvP of course, but the talk in /ooc made the server seem like it was full of jerks. But I try to ignore it (although I find it useful for /auction), and the players who I've actually interacted with have been great.

[Servant]

Global /ooc is to support the LnS system, as lackluster as that may be. Get rid of LnS and you can get rid of gobal /ooc, not that I care personally. I look at it when I want to, and ignore it otherwise.

[gkmarino]

Certain players should lose their /ooc privileges.

Can someone who has been on red for a good amount of time PM me a list of players that I should /ignore before I even hear a word out of their mouth? Thanks!

[Malevz]

That's a tough question cause it really depends on who you ask. You'll start to notice pretty quick though. It's a lot worse on the boards because you end up ignoring over half of the people.

Once you've ignored the desperate for attention/approval people in ooc and on message boards, it's a whole different less annoying game though.

[Samoht]

global ooc is needed for trading, ports and LFG. without it red would feel barren.

Global OOC is toxic and runs people off server, people on server complain that server is too barren without global OOC.

Red is one toxic circle.

[Fame]

You will never squash the american exceptionalism that has lead to the global ooc on a 16 year old elf sim

[Gustoo]

Seems like pretty much confirmed fact that global ooc is bad for server. A /lns tag could be flown like /lfg and enables servere wide lns yellowtext after death. Ezpz.

[Servant]

Red is fine. If you can't take the heat, such as it is, you're a pansy. Just like the real world, treat people with respect and friendliness, and that's what you'll get in return. The "Toxicity" of the server is totally overblown.

- Servant of R99

[Gustoo]

That's why it would be better without ooc. It offers an inaccurate representation of the server that is offputting to anyone considering red vs blue.

[Xaanka]

There are a lot of people on blue server and I talked to some of them and they are having a fun time, but these are probably not raiding players.

Word on the streets is that seeing /ooc on red makes people throw up and quit instantly. Maybe a good idea to implement the regional OOC or standard classic EQ ooc system.

Just speculating here.

if red server /ooc makes you quit it's not like you were going to last longer than a week 50+ on red anyways. so who cares.

[Gustoo]

Its ridiculously easy to avoid contested pvp zones and troublesome players on red level 50+ especially with velious + kunark. Only big money areas and now faction grinding spots are ever very occupied because they put dinner on the table.

So yeah a lot of potential players that leave because OOC makes them think this server is super nasty would probably stick around and have a great time cruising through the game with occasional pvp.

+ by the time they get to 50 they are unlikely to jump ship.

+ if they are going to 60 they will enjoy joining empire or its equivalent and getting lots of loot.

So no problemos.

[abbud]

No, you are wrong.

If you can't handle the truth play on blue. You are being really weird right now.

[Agatha]

all of you trying to get rid of why i play on red server are a bunch of faggots and should kick rocks all the way back to blue server.


faggots.

[Shrubwise]

That's why it would be better without ooc. It offers an inaccurate representation of the server that is offputting to anyone considering red vs blue.

This is where I disagree with you, Gustoo. I think it offers quite an accurate representation of the server.

[Gustoo]

Okay so now lets talk about item loot

[grannock]

I fully agree. People will respond to this by saying those who don't like OOC should just put it in a separate window and minimize it. That does not, in fact, solve the problem. The problem is that OOC gives people a very negative impression of what people are like on Red. Most people don't want to play on a server that contains some of these OOC garbage talkers. Plus, seeing people act like jerks in OOC gives other players permission to act like jerks as well. It reinforces itself. Finding a way to separate out the garbage or perhaps eliminate a completely global chat channel would allow Red to become a better place.

Tala maybe you should talk to Slathar then? Dude spends 6 hours a day spaming ooc with jibberish in an attempt to troll people. It really doesnt help the server to spread lies and try and accuse people of all kinds of shit, when newer players to the server might not realize hes just a drunk troll looking for laughs.

The reality is that 99% of what you see in ooc and read on the forums is bullshit but it takes most new people to the community months to figure out, and some get overwhelmed and just leave before it gets to that point.

[Cherry23]

I am fairly new here, coming from live..

I would agree the /ooc channel is disturbing, I see people named fandango and engelburt spamming ooc with how th are the best players on the server in caps locks over and over and even on their alts, their guild leaders do not seem to care or punish them for their ignorance and I thought being a guild leader meant that you took actions to promote growth of your guild and server health not only getting picks at all costs..


Then you have people typing song lyrics out and spamming, talking about sex and other none EQ topics...

I almost quite after 3 months on red being forced to read this garbage have me a headache, the only way to ignore it is to become ignorant yourself and use apathy... I mean how could you not care when people say offensive things?

And don't get me started on the spam of people selling items and spamming the same item every 20 seconds !

I'd like to se at the very least a global auction channel and enforced ooc bans for people selling in ooc..

Or maybe we could open a second channel for everything and anything that could be ignored or turned off and that way ooc was for game related topics like seeking ports, lfg, asking questions, ect

[Frudrura]

A global channel that ANYONE can use whenever is a bit much. I would be joyful if global ooc was taken away. Its just a shit show. Yes, there are auctions and that part has been good. However I wouldn't mind just logging into my mule in NFP or checking the forums if I wanted to buy something.

For now, I just ignore a lot of people, but it is like a sewage pipe that never stops spewing out shit and garbage.

[Tassador]

Okay so now lets talk about item loot

+ exp loss + classic = red players - blue players

[Videri]

Tala maybe you should talk to Slathar then? Dude spends 6 hours a day spaming ooc with jibberish in an attempt to troll people. It really doesnt help the server to spread lies and try and accuse people of all kinds of shit, when newer players to the server might not realize hes just a drunk troll looking for laughs.

The reality is that 99% of what you see in ooc and read on the forums is bullshit but it takes most new people to the community months to figure out, and some get overwhelmed and just leave before it gets to that point.

Have you ever talked with Slathar? I wish you could chat with him in Teamspeak for 15 minutes. I thought Slathar was a dangerous lunatic until I was guilded with him in <Good Guys>. He is hilarious, thoughtful, conscientious, and brilliant. He cracks me up all the time. Interesting that what he says actually bothers you. I'm curious to find out if people feel the same way about Engleburt, Farzo, and Fandango/Shydagger. If so, maybe it's all in the perspective we have depending on our relationship to these people.

I think the main problem people in OOC are the ones who insult each other after PvP, calling each other bad and accusing each other of plugging, hacking, griefing, etc. That kind of message makes PvP scary and uncomfortable instead of fun and exciting. I wish you could just win or just lose, but if you lose people sometimes say things to discourage you and if you win people might say things to try to invalidate your victory. I guess one has to build the inner strength to push through this.

[Nirgon]

http://i.imgur.com/9wUhX5E.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ARxJlNa.jpg

A problem easily solved. Next?

#ComputerScience

[Qtip]

Put a 5 minute cooldown on ooc, that is attached to your ip so people cant log over to alts. Make each ooc post a certain limit...

OOC is a little much. But turning it off when your LFG or trying to auction stuff sucks.

[Videri]

#ComputerScience

So, the problem isn't "Waa I have to read garbage in OOC;" it's "These people are not fun to play with." In my opinion, it's the perception of the playerbase that we're working on here. That is what makes players want to be part of Red (or not).

[Videri]

Put a 5 minute cooldown on ooc, that is attached to your ip so people cant log over to alts. Make each ooc post a certain limit...

OOC is a little much. But turning it off when your LFG or trying to auction stuff sucks.

Hm! This simple measure might just solve it. This would force people's flame wars into /tells; yet still allow auctioning as well as advice for newbies; and it would even allow people to say one thing after PvP. (You decide whether it will be "GF" or "fgt.")

[Videri]

I am also charming, compassionate, and brilliant Tala.

We know. :)

[Agatha]

noone is fucking with my ooc, or im going to quit.

[Silent]

If ooc really has to be nerfed, don't take it away. just limit it to level 1 types, like 3 messages per minute.

[Slathar]

i was playin in the beginnin then the mood all changed i been chewed up and spit out. success is my only mother fuckin option failures not.

- ghandi