Recycle/Starter Server Badly Needed - General Review of P99

[Mitya]

Not sure if my message/post will see the light of day, but I feel like I want to share some thoughts about P1999 and my experiences here. I joined not very long ago, but having played Live or an extremely long time, I feel like I have enough class/high level/end game experience to weigh in on the matter.

Of course, my opinion is ultimately moot: After all, this is the internet, on a forum, about a free game that practically drips neckbeard-ism.

I first installed P1999 after having played on an emulated EQ server with completely custom content. Their system was good, but their custom content was out of control. While I enjoyed their AA system and their population was fair - it was mostly boxed toons, and the economy was...there are no words. Trinkets and charms costing several million in plat was common. Anyway...rather than continue the wall of text about that, here are some pros and cons about P1999 and my time here (though somewhat brief):


PROS:

Varying Community - I debated on whether or not to list this as a pro. The community can be over-the-top nice, and other times it can be completely toxic. I had people give me loot, advice, ports, buffs, you name it. Then, I had people refuse to group with me because I was a noob, not twinked, etc.
Robust, living server - Again, not entirely sure if this is a pro (at all levels) but it is certainly nice when leveling up. The EC tunnel is real. The zones have people in them, for the most part, and finding groups from 8+ isn't difficult if you try.
Easy to install and get working - Self explanatory. I think this deserves some credit because some custom EQ emus are silly difficult.
True classic experience - The moment that .midi music kicks in, I just feel chills. Very awesome. The custom spell work visuals and UI enhancements the community has done is outstanding.
Free - Though most of us would happily donate, the game is free.


CONS:

Extremely top heavy - When you've got only just recently the ability to go into Velious after being around for so many years, the top of the game is extremely bogged with level 60s geared to the teeth, their alts geared to the teeth, their alt's alt's geared to the teeth, etc.
Economy is insane - Honestly. Rings that should cost 50pp cost 5000pp. Rogues and Shaman twinks running around with epics at level 30, lol. The list goes on. It's like a giant MOUNTAIN of plat that is unobtainable by most new players without extreme time investments or hand-outs.
Not newbie friendly - This may seem like a contradiction but the reality is... as a new player (not to EQ, but to P99) you're at an insane disadvantage on Red, and a complete meltdown scenario on Blue. Want to raid? Forget it. You never will. Want to kill mad bosses for loot? Not a chance. Want your epic? Unless you can buy it, tough cookies.
Sometimes feels overcrowded - While it's great to have a thriving robust community, it's wicked crowded sometimes. So crowded, that in almost every newbie zone, someone is quad kiting guards, camping guards, etc.



So, I suppose to conclude my thoughts: I have read the forums and checked out some of the discussions about a potential recycle server or a new blue server for people to start fresh on and I truly think it might be what the game needs. While I agree that the game can be fun in it's current state, I personally have this, "Why bother?" feeling when I go to click the play button. It's all been done. Done again and again, and again, and the story ends with a level 15 rogue twink with his epics climbing out from under a 5 mile high mountain of plat in the EC tunnel. "WTS Fungi Tunic: 85k" he shouts. "All of my other 5 twinks have one, so I need to get rid of one."

[Rararboker]

You sound defeatist and a little delusional. When I joined I had nothing. Didn't know anyone playing here that could give hand outs. Bought Jboots for 7k at lvl 24 by selling shralok packs.

And you've been here for how long? Because it sounds like you have no clue what the game is like passed lvl 10 in EC.


Edit: To be fair, I'll address some points for you.

1. Top heavy. Very true. It has no impact on new players aside from making tons of good pieces of gear cost almost nothing.

2. Economy is pretty balanced tbh. What rings are you saying should be 50pp?

3. You have no clue what you are talking about here. Like, 0 logic or experience and it is obvious as day to everyone who plays here. No clue how a lvl 10 character even begins to pretend they know anything about this sort of stuff. Level up and experience it yourself instead of listening to people being negative who are too bad at this game to get the items and experiences they want. You'll be pleasantly surprised.

4. So, you are mad people kill guards? LOL


And I don't know how bad/good of a player you are. But I was an untwinked wizard and I never had problems getting groups. So, yeah.... I have to assume that just means you are either hard to be around or bad at the game. Not trying to be mean but there is only so man explanations.

[Rooj]

I disagree with a lot of what you said. I don't think the population is high enough. A server full of 60s who are 'geared to the teeth' isn't stopping you from getting to an adequate raiding level and joining a nice raiding guild. The fact that you are telling people that they can never raid is sort of an insult to the server because you are terribly wrong about that. False advertising, if you will. You can get epic targets if you try hard enough and are well prepared. You just said you haven't been playing here long...how can you say all of these things with a straight face...?

Here's a question, what exactly were you expecting?

[Pint]

Some decent points but your 3rd bullet point under cons is completely incorrect. Asgard and many other guilds have numerous ppl who joined the server within the last year who are 60 or nearing 60 who have completed epics and are actively raiding at all levels of content. Almost every guild on this server has an open policy on recruitment if a person is willing to grind toward 60 and take the time to learn to be a competent player.

[titanshub]

Your opinions, thoughts and ideas are stupid.

[Messie]

You sound defeatist and a little delusional. When I joined I had nothing. Didn't know anyone playing here that could give hand outs. Bought Jboots for 7k at lvl 24 by selling shralok packs.

And you've been here for how long? Because it sounds like you have no clue what the game is like passed lvl 10 in EC.

I agree with you completely. I was in the process of breaking apart every quote he had that was making an assumption or exaggerating with imaginary scenarios, but it was just too much.

OP thank you for playing on the server and being an active member of the community, but I think you've been reading the forums a bit too much. Stop letting the people who complain and whine about overcrowding because they didn't get a camp they wanted, or lowbie MQs being rampant because they can't afford their own effect your thinking.

Play the game you want to play it. blue recycle server will happen sometime down the road, and until then enjoy your stay here and don't get into your own head so much...

[Rararboker]

I still want to know what rings cost 500p that should be 50p. This guy is apparently an expert on the subject of what items should cost.

[AvangionRN]

I have to disagree as well. Most low/mid level items are readily accessible and cheap. Granted, EQ will always suffer from mudflation with pp generation always outpacing money sinks (gems/coffins etc). This is offset by the sheer number of items floating out there coupled with sooooo many items a new player can put into the market at a generous profit. Left Goblin Ears for 25-30pp each? Bone chips at 10pp per stack? Leather padding you can make yourself, pelts.. its a HUGE list of newbie friendly marketable items.

Of course, the high end market has high price points.. as they should be. You weren't supposed to start off a fresh character and have a fungi.

I've put leveling a priority over any plat and I'm still comfortable enough to gear decently, have money for spells, and gradually poke at wish list items relative to my level.

Edit: I didn't even mention people giving items away in EC on a regular basis. The community is well rounded with angels and A-holes alike.

[Galvatar]

Beyond day 1, I don't think there's a better time to start playing P1999 (I only play blue, can't speak to red)

OP wants it all, but doesn't want to work for anything. Not much you can really do there.

[AvangionRN]

OP, Everquest is a game that rewards you for spending time in it's world. Don't compare yourself to characters who have been in it for years. Understand that you can cater to the market with items available at low levels and turn that into items that low/mid level characters had no business in owning within a week of playing (5ac 55hp rings as a good example).

Enjoy it for what it is.. or just realize its not for you.

[blondeattk]

imo the economy of p99 is relatively healthy. The main fear about the server is its run like a communist state. There is an internal clash of ideology about how the server should proceed. Those leaders, dont care about the time investment of the players. At a whim, sweeping changes are imposed on the playerbase without any consultaion; an act of tyranny.

apart from that its all fine and dandy!

[Pyrion]

All problematic remarks aside, i agree with the main point of the OPs post: A new server. And i would make that new server such that it automatically restarts every year.

For me, that would be perfect. I understand that for a lot of people the real game starts at 60... and that's OK as well. I think the community is big enough to support 2 independent servers. Of course that will probably never happen, sadly.

[Huggz]

Totally support a wipe.

Level 60s gone, happy to restart. Server is fucked. Even if your examples are bad, you are right about the server being broken as fuck.

[Messie]

Totally support a wipe.

Level 60s gone, happy to restart. Server is fucked. Even if your examples are bad, you are right about the server being broken as fuck.

Your examples and supporting reasoning behind your statement has changed my view on the server. Thank you for your insight and wisdom.

[jpetrick]

This server clearly isn't for you if you are unhappy that your brand new toon isn't as geared as the rest of the server who has been here for years.

Pro tip for anyone starting out:
Levels > Acquiring plat

It's not hard to make money at level 60.

[Messie]

Pro tip for anyone starting out:
Levels > Acquiring plat


This is so true. Many times, you acquire items that SELL for PLAT by LEVELING! Tunnelquest is okay when you dont have the time to go crawl, but crawling is suggested!

[Llodd]

I still want to know what rings cost 500p that should be 50p. This guy is apparently an expert on the subject of what items should cost.

Yeah I'd like to know too.He actually said rings that should cost 50pp costing 5K pp!!

[Foxfire]

As a fairly new player I would like to jump in and offer my 2 copper:

It would be fun to experience the server in the gear it was designed for. As a brand new player It took me almost no time to farm up the plat I needed to buy a set of banded mail and a silver swiftblade. However being able to buy gear that amazing with no more effort than farming wisps for an hour in WC has really removed my ability to acquire any upgrades from questing/camping/grouping for a loooong time.

Of course no one is forcing new players to buy gear in EC - but its no fun being the only non-twink in a group. (especially if you are carrying a 40% exp penalty along for the ride as well)

TL/DR: The server is amazing and fantastic but Recycle99 can't come fast enough because I want to experience everything from day1 again.

[bloodmuffin]

GO BACK TO WOW!

[Baa]

"Everybody else has better gear than me, please even the playing ground by wiping the server"

I sometimes wonder if I am playing on the same server as people who make these type of posts.

[Swish]

i would make that new server such that it automatically restarts every year.

Would anyone roll on that server after month 6-7? It's asking for a ghost town.

[Swish]

Totally support a wipe.

Server is fucked.

http://restlesspilgrim.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/end-nigh.jpg

[Lorian]

The effort you need to put in to be competitive later levels on this server IS insane. That is why I moved to P2002, I am a casual player. It takes a long time to travel here due to classic = no poK books, and when you reach your destination there might be a queue. In fact there might be a queue to anything worth killing in the 2-hour slot you are able to play.

The market on P99 however, is very nice. Plenty of gear to be had for a decent price. Plenty of ways to earn money to buy decent newbie and mid-level gear. High end gear is out of reach though.

But in general P99 is a hardcore server for people with lots of time to spend and a fanatical interest in the pre-luclin version of EQ. The advantage is that when you played for a year on P99 any other server feels like easy mode.... :)

[Grux]

Me used tu be Grux. Now Gruxen. frum Rodcet Nife lung time a go! Bak den me had lizeerd partner an was shaman an shadownight. Now mez jus Shaman.

Me start not tu lung a go.. Now me almust level 8! Yesterduy tiny yummey elf buys me skins an den me buys smushin hamma! Now me smushin reel gud!

Yu want smush wif Grux? Dis game lot o fun!

[am0n]

The effort you need to put in to be competitive later levels on this server IS insane. That is why I moved to P2002, I am a casual player. It takes a long time to travel here due to classic = no poK books, and when you reach your destination there might be a queue. In fact there might be a queue to anything worth killing in the 2-hour slot you are able to play.

The market on P99 however, is very nice. Plenty of gear to be had for a decent price. Plenty of ways to earn money to buy decent newbie and mid-level gear. High end gear is out of reach though.

But in general P99 is a hardcore server for people with lots of time to spend and a fanatical interest in the pre-luclin version of EQ. The advantage is that when you played for a year on P99 any other server feels like easy mode.... :)

I think the P2002 crew would do themselves favors by just adopting the full titanium client instead of the hacked one they are using.

As for the Re99 server, it's what I am holding out hope for more than anything. Not a wipe of this server, but just a fresh one with a fresh timeline.

[DarthMartigan]

An encouragement:

Started with nothing and basically crawled through levels 1-20 feeling like the server might be too established for me. The first time I went to EC I figured I would quit. Then I saw greengrocer (rip) asking for pixie dust and started farming them.

If you're a new player, there are high levels that pay a stupid amount of money for things that take little or no time to farm while leveling. You just have to be smart about where you hunt. Kill animals for HQ pelts, get bone chips, and always group with twinks (they make things go faster and pass on all the loot :). The server sucks to start on, I agree... but once you pass that initial learning curve, it's so stinking easy to make money. There are also tons of awesome people on the server that will help you out.

As far as the economy goes, with Velious just released the economy is more insane than ever. I've sold armor gems for over 1k to people that HAD TO HAVE THEM and then had other players offer to pay 250 for the same gem on the same day. Things are crazy now because the server just unleashed new content that's drastically changed the game. Give it a few months and things will even out.

[Spyder73]

Some decent points but your 3rd bullet point under cons is completely incorrect. Asgard and many other guilds have numerous ppl who joined the server within the last year who are 60 or nearing 60 who have completed epics and are actively raiding at all levels of content. Almost every guild on this server has an open policy on recruitment if a person is willing to grind toward 60 and take the time to learn to be a competent player.

I started P99 last November after having an itch for a new video game after Diablo 3 was starting to wane. I saw some advertisement for EQ Lives new expansion so I started doing some research and I came across a P99 endorsement on a forum. So I installed, knowing no one and having no one else to play with besides myself - I had no idea what the server would be like. Killing skeletons and gnolls in Qeynos Hills/Black Burrow brought back great memories. First time back in Highpass was everything I remembered it to be as well.

So i plodded along collecting plat, eventually got 2 Trance sticks for like 100pp each. Got my first "payday" when I got a Shiney Brass Idol from Highpass and sold it for 500pp!!! I did this like 3 times, saved some more money, and I got a Peacebringer!!! WOW! So much nostalgia. So I keep leveling and moving around collecting gear, had a nice monk run me through Dalnir for Crescent, and then when I was level 45 I met <Asgard>.

I cant say enough about this guild. These guys were letting me raid Sky and Fear and Hate with them when I was level 46 and giving me loot. I got my first haste item from Sky, I got full Shiverback from Fear, and I ended up making some great friends in the guild. I level up to 50-55 - I get a T-Staff from KC, I buy J Boots, and I am in bad ass planar gear.

Fast forward to today, I have almost full ToV Sky Shrine gear, Fungi, T Staff, Epic completed because of the great guys in the guild, I have killed countless raid bosses I never got to see on live, and top tier loot is very much attainable. Starting on this server is not hard, and if you put in the time and WANT to be here, you will find your way. I have a lvl 50 Bard alt now with probably 40k of gear on him now as well. All this in under a year.

[Charlievox]

How about a new server where anyone who reaches level 55 on p99 is automatically transfered to the new server. They can only keep what they have equipped. Bags and bank are stripped clean. 😈

[Robbintha Hood]

OP should just stop playing on the server if he or she is that butt hurt about joining this late in the server's life. I've been on here for a while (I think 5 years), and none of my characters are "geared to the teeth." I'm also more of a casual player. I have my binges every few months for when I really want to achieve something. But to have sand in the snatch because other people have played on server longer (or have been devoted more time to playing on the server since they started) than you is not reason enough to be calling for a server wipe. It is, however, reason enough to stop being fail on the internet.

[Destron]

How about a new server where anyone who reaches level 55 on p99 is automatically transfered to the new server. They can only keep what they have equipped. Bags and bank are stripped clean. ��

Thus eliminating much of the drive for current p99 players to play on a new refresh server.

[maskedmelon]

I personally have this, "Why bother?" feeling when I go to click the play button.

If you cannot answer that question, you don't need to be here ^^ Honestly, there are plenty of other options to sate your gaming ambitions. Project 1999 is tailored to the liking of anger specific community and if you are not of a similar mindset, chances are you will not enjoy your time here. The great part is that your preferences suggest your general ambitions can be sated elsewhere.

Thank you for taking the time to check out our community and sorry it didn't work out :/ best of luck in your gaming endeavors! ^^

[azeth]

You joined P99 this month, and here you are typing a review of our server.

Think on that.

Also remind me how it affects new players that the top-end people have good gear? In what way does that affect your elf sim experience?

If you're thinking "why bother, I can't even get Vulak loot" when you go to click PLAY... you really need to consider that P99 is not your personal nostalgia stomping ground.

[Swish]

You joined P99 this month, and here you are typing a review of our server.

Think on that.

It doesn't take 6 months - 5 years to figure out the wealth gap is getting ridiculous.

People make druids as their first character and timesink many hours making plat from ports to actually hit "day 1" and start the character they want.

Nobody said EQ was easy, but I think the "jump" rate if anything else opened up this weekend would be very high indeed from new and old players alike.

[azeth]

It doesn't take 6 months - 5 years to figure out the wealth gap is getting ridiculous.

So remind me how it affects a new player that me, you and the other neckbeards have excess plat?

If anything, it's EASIER to gear on P99 than it was on classic.

[Swish]

If you want to play a class such as a warrior, you'll be mocked and hounded out of the door if you're holding a rusty sword and wearing raw hide armor at level 15 (unless you're on red where everyone is welcome and in the same boat)

Most players see the level of twinking going on (by "me, you and the other neckbeards") with other players alts and feel it's only right to gear accordingly... I mean who is going to group with Soandso on his warrior if aggro is spraying around the group like a catherine wheel?

Rogue with epic at Level 1.... oh shit, he's got aggro all the time!
Monk with FBSS/Sash of the dragonborn... oh shit.
Bard with hymn of restoration running.... oh shit.


We have more impact on new players starting than you think.

[kaev]

If you cannot answer that question, you don't need to be here ^^ Honestly, there are plenty of other options to sate your gaming ambitions. Project 1999 is tailored to the liking of anger specific community and if you are not of a similar mindset, chances are you will not enjoy your time here. The great part is that your preferences suggest your general ambitions can be sated elsewhere.

Thank you for taking the time to check out our community and sorry it didn't work out :/ best of luck in your gaming endeavors! ^^

Angry neckbeards gettin up in it here! :D

Wealth gap complaints are way overdone on this forum. Isn't hard to accumulate pp & gear if you're patient and persistent. If you want high-end gear you're gonna have to level and join a guild that raids high-end content, which is how EQ always was. No WoW-esque gear resets or latter-day EQ gear handouts (loldefiant) here. Casual play can still get decent gear, takes time just like any other approach.

[Ele]

Want overcrowding?

Wait until the refresh server and 100-200 people are competing for spiderlings in Misty (and the same pop in every other newbie zone) for the first week.

[Destron]

If you want to play a class such as a warrior, you'll be mocked and hounded out of the door if you're holding a rusty sword and wearing raw hide armor at level 15 (unless you're on red where everyone is welcome and in the same boat)


I have never seen any true newb mocked for gear. Quit peddling this Red is better crap. Red is a cesspool that no one enjoys. Blue is a great environment for a new player, very newb friendly. If you are new to this server the best thing you can do is ignore Swish and relieve your self of his Red propoganda drivel.

[Swish]

Want overcrowding?

Wait until the refresh server and 100-200 people are competing for spiderlings in Misty (and the same pop in every other newbie zone) for the first week.

That's a given on any new launch night server. You basically go to Steamfont, Innothule, Feerott, Tox or somewhere a bit quieter to get those mobs in... or run the mail quest 1-5.

[Rickson]

Want overcrowding?

Wait until the refresh server and 100-200 people are competing for spiderlings in Misty (and the same pop in every other newbie zone) for the first week.

I agree. Not only will newbies compete for spiderlings in the newbie zones, but think about how difficult it will be to deal with popular exp zones like Kurn's, Blackburrow, Crushbone, etc. People will be camp stealing by accident because groups will have to share camps just to find stuff to fight. Even the mid-level outdoor zones will be overcrowded.

Also, I have seen some make a point about how senior blue players will just use platinum trading on blue to convert to platinum on the recycle server. There will be twinked lowbies clearing out overcrowded lowbie zones in no time.

Here's an idea: How about we stop talking about a recycle server and enjoy what we have? It is awesome here.

[mgellan]

Want overcrowding?

Wait until the refresh server and 100-200 people are competing for spiderlings in Misty (and the same pop in every other newbie zone) for the first week.

The Sleeper was like this when it launched, sitting across a spawn spot from 5 other barbarians waiting for a single goblin to pop, with 120 in Everfrost zone lol :)

Enjoy what we have :)

Regards,
Mg

[nyclin]

wealth gap complaints are bullshit, there's so many different ways to make money. if you're broke, you aren't trying hard enough. sell services, sell MQs, farm cash camps.. you don't have to be level 60 and raid geared to make money. if anything, the wealth gap makes it easier for new players to make money.. wealthy veterans are more likely to pay for convenience.

the only valid complaint imo is that the server is extremely top-heavy. even after velious, all of the raid targets are dying minutes after they spawn and usually with 2-3 guilds present and competing. a recycle server would probably have the same issue eventually, but it may also ease some of the pressure at the top end of blue.

[Destron]

the only valid complaint imo is that the server is extremely top-heavy. even after velious, all of the raid targets are dying minutes after they spawn and usually with 2-3 guilds present and competing.

Not true at all. Velious is a game changer. Wipes were rare in Kunark, wipes are quite prevelent in the raid scene these days.

[Itap]

This is the common leveling route when new people roll here;

1-12 EC
12-20 Oasis
20-30's MM
30-40's OT
40-50 CoM

If you think you are going to make any money going that route, you are sadly mistaken. Some people advocate Levels > farming, but that's not necessarily true. There are plenty of routes to make money < 50 if you take the time to do them. Hell, I remember buying a jboot MQ for one of my first characters at lvl 20.

These forums are filled with 6 years of money making posts, regardless of level. Do your research.

[Swish]

So I've installed, I've made my character and I'm ready to rock on my new warrior...I ask the community what to do to make money, they say:-

if you're broke, you aren't trying hard enough. sell services, sell MQs, farm cash camps..

Yeah of course you'll accumulate wealth as you level, but slowly is the word here. Getting your hands on some crafted pieces or decent proc/aggro building weapons isn't happening by running the mail quest.

At level 15 you'll be lucky to have your armor slots filled. Maybe a suit of banded if you saved carefully, but you certainly won't be holding aggro versus a same level rogue with his shiny epic, a monk, or any character with a haste item.



Destron - didn't say red was better, I said that people are generally in the same boat with their gear. If you think that makes it better then great, I do agree... but I didn't say it (until just now :p)

[FatMice]

I have never seen any true newb mocked for gear. Quit peddling this Red is better crap. Red is a cesspool that no one enjoys. Blue is a great environment for a new player, very newb friendly. If you are new to this server the best thing you can do is ignore Swish and relieve your self of his Red propoganda drivel.

This.

[Swish]

There are plenty of routes to make money < 50 if you take the time to do them. Hell, I remember buying a jboot MQ for one of my first characters at lvl 20.

Absolutely, but typically the route becomes "I'll make a druid because they can make money selling ports and powerlevels and then I can start the character I really want to play"

That's more and more the case as the years have rolled on. Great for the community in the sense of a thriving port guild, but I'm sure some are turned off by that timesink.

A recycle server won't cure it, but you can see why every "new" player would like to be there on day 1 rather than scale the plat mountain to gear up a warrior to be able to have a chance at holding aggro against all the twink dps'ers out there. Just speaking for them.

[Sage Truthbearer]

There's a lot of different topics going around in this thread, but I'll just say three things I've found to be true: 1) You can start from scratch and earn your own keep along the way and be fine, no matter what class you are. 2) You don't need uber gear to have fun on this server. 3) It's not really that hard to get to the point where you can find or buy items.

[perditionparty]

CONS:


Economy is insane - Honestly. Rings that should cost 50pp cost 5000pp. Rogues and Shaman twinks running around with epics at level 30, lol. The list goes on. It's like a giant MOUNTAIN of plat that is unobtainable by most new players without extreme time investments or hand-outs.



welcome to classic Everquest. Those twinks you see didn't start their characters and get the gear over night. They spent months and years getting it, helping out their friends and guild mates to get there too. Some prices are insane, but this is people's over-adherence to the prices these items sold back in live pre-2001.



Not newbie friendly - This may seem like a contradiction but the reality is... as a new player (not to EQ, but to P99) you're at an insane disadvantage on Red, and a complete meltdown scenario on Blue. Want to raid? Forget it. You never will. Want to kill mad bosses for loot? Not a chance. Want your epic? Unless you can buy it, tough cookies.



This is not true. Yes, I've been in arguments over camp getting mad, or making other people mad. It would be a lie to say this game can't be immensely frustrating. Overall, the community has very supportive people who enjoy to play the game as much as you do. I started in January and by late February early March I was able to start raiding. Start networking with people, join a guild. This is a social game that cannot be done at all with out actually interacting with people.



Sometimes feels overcrowded - While it's great to have a thriving robust community, it's wicked crowded sometimes. So crowded, that in almost every newbie zone, someone is quad kiting guards, camping guards, etc.



Gotta learn how to hustle and get your own groups going. There are many populated zones where people sit and wait in line to join a group, but there are a lot of empty dungeons that people don't travel because of the work required to do so. Again, this is a social game, you have to talk to people, be afraid of rejection and get things going. YES it can be annoying, sometimes I spent an hour or two (or more!) to get a group going and find an open camp, but this is classic Everquest, you can't get anything out of it that you don't put the time to do it. It definitely isn't EZquest.



/endpileonrant

[rollin5k]

Dear op: wow you're such a pussy jeez holy cow wow.

There are reasons for a recycle server none of which you brought up.
The only reason is FOR FUN. JEEZ WOW HOLY COW

[wormed]

I think the P2002 crew would do themselves favors by just adopting the full titanium client instead of the hacked one they are using.

As for the Re99 server, it's what I am holding out hope for more than anything. Not a wipe of this server, but just a fresh one with a fresh timeline.

Yea, the client (and population) is what really turns me off about P2002. The client is awful and boxing is a no-go.

EDIT: The biggest issue is definitely the top heavy nature of P99.

[perditionparty]

EDIT: The biggest issue is definitely the top heavy nature of P99.

In what way?

[Robbintha Hood]

Some people advocate Levels > farming, but that's not necessarily true. There are plenty of routes to make money < 50 if you take the time to do them. Hell, I remember buying a jboot MQ for one of my first characters at lvl 20.

These forums are filled with 6 years of money making posts, regardless of level. Do your research.

Thank you, Loot! You are absolutely correct.

[NizmerThafen]

What class and level is OP? 10?

It's a highly competitive server. Perhaps OP should level to around 50, join a guild, and contribute some time. If that doesn't work out then perhaps they can make a whiny post.

This thread should probably be moved to R&F anyways.

[Bill Tetley]

Join Date: Aug 2015

[Expediency]

I started a few weeks into the life of a server on live in 99 and played a few years. I started here this year and this place is great. People were very friendly and gear was easy to come by. There is a valid criticism that the wealth of many players leads them to not even bother selling newb gear (items under 100pp especially) but I find that to be offset by how often they will just hand those items to someone for free. Its amazing the prices of items now that the server is mature. If you can get a few hundred pp you can get a weapon that back in the day would have taken 5x the money. You wont have a fungi tunic, but you'll have a short sword of the ykesa or sword of the morning before you know it. If you require more that that as a starting experience you should probably look somewhere else.

It is very top heavy, in that the high level characters or their alts have crazy gear. But thats never going to change, people had 5 years or whatever to gear themselves in kunark gear instead of the <1 year on velious. They also have the benefit of much more knowledge about the game to expedite things.

You cant go home again. This is the closest you're gonna get

[azeth]

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Really though, keep your complaints inside your head until you've actually played on the server.

[Dynheart]

I started about 2 months ago. I can see slight frustration in some of the prices. I remember buying my FBSS for 2k back in 2000 on Fennin Ro (6-7k here). Forest Earrings were never 400-500 plat (50-100pp tops). Orc Fang Earrings were 50-75 plat (not upward to 300 plat). But it is what it is.

On the flip side, Fungi Tunic was more expensive on Fennin Ro back then, than is in on this server now. Same for RBG (not by much, however). It's just how the cards happened to lay.

As for new players coming to the server and not having a chance? If you're in a rush, and all you want to do is level level level, loot loot loot. I think your in for some hard times. I recommend patience. My Monk is only level 27, and I've been accused of being a twink several times already; little do they know. I just chalk it up as an unintended compliment. I'm just re-soaking up the experience, along with my wife who is a first timer with EQ. If you play that way, instead of crunching numbers, worrying about loot and levels, the awesomeness will come naturally.

With all of that said, the server is not without it's flaws. But what gaming server isn't?

[Verath]

Forest Earrings were never 400-500 plat (50-100pp tops)

That's weird cause they vendor for 300.

[jarshale]

So basically OP you are mad jealous of everyone's pixels?

[skipdog]

Your opinions, thoughts and ideas are stupid.

[Dynheart]

That's weird cause they vendor for 300.

Never attempted to vendor them. I just remember them going for that much. You would have the occasional 150pp.

/shrug

[maskedmelon]

Interestingly, people sell items for below vendor price all the time. The enterprising young nooblet will save up to purchase those items and then vendor them themselves ^^

[skipdog]

the only valid complaint imo is that the server is extremely top-heavy. even after velious, all of the raid targets are dying minutes after they spawn and usually with 2-3 guilds present and competing. a recycle server would probably have the same issue eventually, but it may also ease some of the pressure at the top end of blue.

not true at all. LOADS AND LOADS of targets on all continents are being left up for surprisingly long a lot of the time since velious release...

[Charlievox]

Logged on to my Level 4 DE Enchanter last night for the first time in weeks. Played just under an hour. Went home and banked almost 100pp.
Looted a HQ Bear Skin in Nektulos and sold it without even leaving the zone for 30pp. Then popped over to EC and in less than five minutes, sold all the bone chips i had accumulated getting to Level 4.
AND i also gained a whole level of xp.
All in about 45 - 50 minutes.
My level 9 Ranger has a full set of Banded and a Silver Swiftblade and a 90pp bank balance.
If making Plat is this easy at these low levels, it can only get better from here.

Of course, I loot EVERYTHING! Even spiderling legs and eyes. Everytime I see a skellie, I kill it. Even if it's green. Every cp I can grab, I grab. I've been in Orc1 groups where nobody loots anything but the belts. I grab all the rest. Cloth armor, ruined, LQ and MQ pelts, rusty weapons spider legs scarab legs and carapaces... You name it, I'll loot it if no one else does.

All of my characters always have enough money to buy their next set of spells

[wormed]

In what way?

There's just too much competition for every mob on the server. Simply put, that wasn't the case in classic EQ. I think that causes issues when the game really wasn't designed for 500 level 60's tackling mobs. Even with bigger populations in EQ's prime, the game simply was more difficult due to the unknown factor. The economy made sense, although that's not a huge gripe with me on P99. There weren't people leveling to 50+ with relative ease using a Fungi tunic, or at least it wasn't as prevalent as it is on P99.

Velious helped a lot. However, I think it's evident that there's just too many top level people with top end gear able to take down Velious mobs with ease. When Velious was released in classic, you didn't just roll up with Vindi and throw numbers at him. The gear just wasn't there. Not many people had PoSky on farm except for the best of the best. But on P99, farming Sky was done by a multitude of guilds and not just the extreme poopsock neckbearders, either.

Is P99 a bad server? Nope! I enjoy my time on this server as I feel I've found a guild that kicks ass and fits what I want to put into it. Am I pretty bummed that Velious is "it"? Yea, and it's definitely something I need to think about. Do I really want to play Velious for 4 years? I think a lot of us felt EQ was at its best at Planes of Power. This was where there was just an absolute abundance of content, raid mobs, etc, that not everything under the sun was downed within minutes. Guilds could grow in strength and build towards bigger mobs. Currently, there's really nothing to "build" towards. Everyone has gear capable to take down NToV, the issue is numbers and experience, not gear.

Shrug, whether you disagree or not, that's just my feeling on it. P99 is great but I definitely don't see myself playing Velious for years.

[thufir]

OP, back in the day Xegony generally had 2k+ on at prime time, which this server never even gets close to. So it isn't more crowded than it was on Live during this era.

It also seems pretty *easy* to break into the raid scene here - not hard. On Live very few guilds had the chops to do the really tough stuff and their membership was carefully gated. That same stuff is all well known now, and a lot of guilds are doing it. Many of those guilds are recruiting actively.

I've been here for 2+ years on and off and am not even close to the level cap, but I have generally enjoyed my time here and sort of agree with the "if you don't like it, sorry man, have a good one" attitude being expressed. I do like the idea of a recycle server and Sirken has said one will be coming eventually. But I also like the characters, adventures, and relationships I have here. It's a fine little server and no other comes closer to recreating the Classic/Kunark/Velious experience.

Of course, I still have to get to the raid scene here, and I've been pretty slow to do that since the things I missed on Live all revolved around dungeons and leveling (having foolishly made the decision on Live to take the Ecom->Nro->Oasis->LOIO->OT route to higher levels that was recommended by 90% of people I knew). There's content out there to see and most of it isn't even remotely overcrowded! Find friends and look around; there's still things to discover out there, especially in Velious where the wiki is pretty dubious.

[perditionparty]

Shrug, whether you disagree or not, that's just my feeling on it. P99 is great but I definitely don't see myself playing Velious for years.


Not agreeing or disagreeing, just seeing what you were trying to say. I think your concerns stem from another issue you addressed, which is the vast knowledge and accessibility of the game now vs then. More high level characters don't create more camped mobs, op items, etc; the knowledge does

this differentiation may be pedantic though /shrug

[Beckoning]

I started in May and I've made probably close to 70K doing ports alone. As a newbie, I obviously had nothing, so I started in Misty and would forage misty acorns and high quality wolf skins, each of which I could sell for 10 - 20 pp if the right buyers were on (Saide and Ayleth). Pick a class that has the potential to earn, the potential to teach you how to play the game and that has the potential to be functional without twinking. I'm level 52 and I still wear leather boots. It hasn't affected me in the least! You don't always need good gear to do things!

[Zuranthium]

That's a given on any new launch night server. You basically go to Steamfont, Innothule, Feerott, Tox or somewhere a bit quieter to get those mobs in... or run the mail quest 1-5.

Who wants to go to Innothule, Feerott, or Tox? Aside from being weak/annoying newbie zones, that would also require significant time expenditure having to run there and then run back to your own city eventually. Don't think it would be worthwhile.

Also, Steamfont newbie zone still had overly strained resources back in the day. There used to only be 1 kobold tent in the starter area, but now there's 4 or 5 of them. So that's not classic on this server, but at the same time I'm totally fine with it and think it makes sense: the area where the extra kobold tents are at now used to just be an open area with nothing there. Steamfont has always been great for the wide level range that can hunt there but those extra kobolds now make it much better for supporting more people from level 4 to level 8.

[Taminy]

Farm tailoring crap, sell it, buy bang for the buck gear. Not difficult. Or farm other tradeskill crap. Or farm rare pain in the butt quest items that people use for epics. Or do plat running for people killing guards. Or loot trash off guards that people leave. Endless possibilities to make your first few plats :p also, sell rather than turn in orc scalps, goblin ears, etc. When you get higher level farm dwarf or giant heads.

In fact it's much much easier as a noob now because it won't take that much time to get a a jade mace, snare whip, staff of battle, cobalt gaunts, hp rings, and other random crap for a noob warrior for example. So you're going to be grouped with rogues with epics and monks with cof/fungi. Just makes your leveling easier. Many people will probably even pass down more bang for the buck stuff in a group (or at least once you get to know them) or let you do main loot. Just don't be a stupid/bad and play bad or spend money on obvious bad/overpriced gear. I'd rather group with someone with cheap bang for the buck items than some dummy who spends all their money on one BiS / near BiS item.

The information contained here was for warriors. For other melee classes, similar applies. For casters, no one really cares. :p

Trust me, if I started over here with no twinking it would be much easier than launch day of this server (crowding, no economy, no resses or high level buffs, wearing banded/bronze armor with 6/22 weapons, etc)

Also for your epic, depending what class you play this may end up being easy (rogue, shaman) that you will probably get for free once you get into a high level guild. The monk epic, I think doesn't have a major bottleneck, just pain in the ass camps (never done it). The ranger and druid (and wizard??) epics are going to get less bottlenecked. The shadowknight, warrior, magician, and cleric epics will of course be a pain in the ass still, but meh.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

OP: your immersion level is dangerously low

[wormed]

Not agreeing or disagreeing, just seeing what you were trying to say. I think your concerns stem from another issue you addressed, which is the vast knowledge and accessibility of the game now vs then. More high level characters don't create more camped mobs, op items, etc; the knowledge does

this differentiation may be pedantic though /shrug

Knowledge is definitely a large factor but you don't think gearing out your whole guild, and many others, in PoSky/BIS Kunark gear over the span of 4 years didn't lead to a problem?

Velious was released 6 months after Kunark. Think how many people were actually level 60, VP keyed, and farming Trakanon/VS/CT/Inny/etc compared to how many guilds were cycling these mobs over the span of these years. There was clearly a huge differentiation between what P99 is and what live was, regardless of knowledge. The amount of gear is exponentially greater on P99 than it ever was in Classic. If P99 restarted a server on a normal Classic -> Velious timeline, things would be massively different in terms of how many people could actually compete over the Velious bosses.

I think a recycle server would be excellent but I'm also one of those people that LOVED Planes of Power so stopping at Velious hurts a bit.

[indiscriminate_hater]

A+ troll thread. Anything that can rustle 4 pages worth of jimmies is fine by me

[Gustoo]

I think a new fresh server would be great.

[Messie]

A+ troll thread. Anything that can rustle 4 pages worth of jimmies is fine by me

Seems any thread that gets posted with serious intentions only to be torn apart eventually turns into a "LOL TROLLED" because there is no where else for the OP to turn. while some people took this thread as an opportunity to bash a lowbie, it was initially reasonably pointed out as to why he was wrong.

Eventually, as with most threads that stay near the top, the the forum bottom feeders came in, read people disagreeing with the OP, and decided to post garbage bashing OP instead of giving constructive criticism.

[indiscriminate_hater]

The law of Internet forums. Given a large enough time scale, all threads degenerate into RnF

[Messie]

The law of Internet forums. Given a large enough time scale, all threads degenerate into RnF

Not the CoF / AoN giveaway thread!!! :D

[Huggz]

Swish,

I love that you took the time to post an image response to my opinion of the server [fucked] (clearly you are strapped for time and live a busy, full life - since you are all over every thread on this message board, every single day of the week).

The timeline is wildly stagnant. I have a shitload of plat banked and well geared toons. Does it improve the experience of the actual immersion and server? Not really. In fact, it makes the experience more hollow than anything.

Like I said, will gladly cash in toons for a clean server. Support it 100%.

Then again, I love the game for the journey, not the destination.

[Swish]

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Swish,

I love that you took the time to post an image response to my opinion of the server [fucked] (clearly you are strapped for time and live a busy, full life - since you are all over every thread on this message board, every single day of the week).

Do you know how long it takes to look up an image on the internet? Not long. Sorry to burst that bubble... and please calm down, it's just an elf sim forum.

[Ivory]

Do you know how long it takes to look up an image on the internet? Not long. Sorry to burst that bubble... and please calm down, it's just an elf sim forum.

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