VA live reporter shooting

[iruinedyourday]

The funny thing is that I'm not even defending anything. I just like poking holes in the radical progressive line of thinking.

I'm not a huge fan of guns. I am also sensible enough to understand that 'gun control' as it is often suggested, categorically doesn't work and there's no way around it.

but literately how can you be so smart when you completely ignore one side of the discussion.. you seem to accredit all this knowledge has gone into proving that gun control doesn't work, when categorically it HAS and the only people that disagree with it are the same people that think science isnt real?

Im actually seriously asking you why you dismiss one side of an argument, while saying you know all the facts?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

MY stance is that YOUR STANCE is the cause of gun violence.

"stupid gun!"
-iruinedyourday after accidentally shooting herself.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

you completely ignore one side of the discussion
You honestly believe that?
Im actually seriously asking you why you dismiss one side of an argument
I'm picking it apart and breaking it down piece by piece, taking it and putting it out in the open while explaining how its fundamentally flawed. That's the opposite of dismissing it.

[iruinedyourday]

You honestly believe that?

I'm picking it apart and breaking it down piece by piece, taking it and putting it out in the open while explaining how its fundamentally flawed. That's the opposite of dismissing it.

so what make you think that gun control in Australia hasn't worked?

[Ranndom]

uh my party's stance on gun control is to pretend like it isnt an issue becuse retards like you start banging symbols together and screaming anytime anyone brings it up...

MY stance is that YOUR STANCE is the cause of gun violence.

When you threaten Freedom, You're damn right were gonna pounce on it.
Your world may not have guns, but you know what it does have? a serious lack of respect. A-holes who think they're better than everyone. Sound familiar? It should.
Reminds me of you.

[iruinedyourday]

When you threaten Freedom, You're damn right were gonna pounce on it.
Your world may not have guns, but you know what it does have? a serious lack of respect. A-holes who think they're better than everyone. Sound familiar? It should.
Reminds me of you.

shut the fuck up about freedoms that's a stupid neandrathalic idea that ISNT being threatened.. you cant fucking use fireworks and that doesn't make you imprisoned in a fucking gulag.

[iruinedyourday]

here, you cant have guns, but you are FREE AS FUCK to leave!

Thats freedom dipshit.

[Big_Japan]

shooting herself.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2psekpe.png

Just wanted to thank you for respecting iruinedyourday's pronouns. I'm sorry I ever doubted the goodness of your heart. You've really come a long way Kagatob.

[iruinedyourday]

In a world where people like kaga I don't have a chance at success.

[Ranndom]

shut the fuck up about freedoms that's a stupid neandrathalic idea that ISNT being threatened.. you cant fucking use fireworks and that doesn't make you imprisoned in a fucking gulag.

Its threatened more and more everyday. By people like you.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

so what make you think that gun control in Australia hasn't worked?

Apples to oranges. If you don't understand why I feel sorry for you.

you cant fucking use fireworks and that doesn't make you imprisoned in a fucking gulag.

Again with the extremist black and white mentality. There's no moderate position. There's no line that you draw. You are a radical and proud yet at the same time don't even realize it.

[iruinedyourday]

why is comparing guns to fireworks considered radical?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

We have academic professors being fired from universities over who they voted for or who they worship.

You people used to complain about this shit when it happened to you but now that you're the status quo you've stopped caring.

"there's no such thing as bad tactics, only bad targets"
-Bob Chipman on doxing

[iruinedyourday]

especialy when someone said that taking guns is threatening freedom? All im saying is that you have laws to protect people, and guns = OMG FREEDOM everything else = shrug.

How does pointing out someone being radical make me a radical?!?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

why is comparing guns to fireworks considered radical?

Fireworks should be legal too, and you are ok with that being taken away because it doesn't effect you personally, yet you cry when your drugs are taken away. Fucking hypocrisy man.

[iruinedyourday]

Fireworks should be legal too, and you are ok with that being taken away because it doesn't effect you personally, yet you cry when your drugs are taken away. Fucking hypocrisy man.

actually 3 nights ago my house almost burnt down because someone lit a firework on the top of their apartment.. it burnt thier building and half of my neighbors house.. so how are fireworks not a threat to me personally?

I mean seriously you couldn't have picked a worse moment to say that.

I took that picture heh

[iruinedyourday]

come on kaga?

Also Im not trying to legalize my drugs.. my drugs are already legal and when they werent it was never a problem for me to obtain them becuse im not a shutin like you.

The drugs that I am trying to legalize would provide a healthy source of healthy drugs to give to people who ordinarily would rob/murder people to buy dirty shit that drug cartels and real criminals supply us with...

If you think that legalizing drugs causes more crime than making it illegal then you simply are just outing yourself as someone who really isnt that smart or hasnt even done any real research on the subject beyond arguing about it on forums for video games.

[Ranndom]

actually 3 nights ago my house almost burnt down because someone lit a firework on the top of their apartment.. it burnt thier building and half of my neighbors house.. so how are fireworks not a threat to me personally?

I mean seriously you couldn't have picked a worse moment to say that.

I took that picture heh

Police your neighbors, dont have your house burned down. Simple. Oh wait, you're a coward.

[iruinedyourday]

Police your neighbors, dont have your house burned down. Simple. Oh wait, you're a coward.

I was high as fuck watching rick & Morty. Now ru telling me if we were neighbors you'd be policing me? Because if you are and you want to own guns I think you're a terrible person

[Ranndom]

I was high as fuck watching rick & Morty. Now ru telling me if we were neighbors you'd be policing me? Because if you are and you want to own guns I think you're a terrible person

If you're doing something in a manner that threatens my well being, you're god damn right ill police you. And if you had a problem with it and decided to continue lighting fireworks on a roof, id call in and report attempted arson. And i fucking hate police to no extent.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

actually 3 nights ago my house almost burnt down because someone lit a firework on the top of their apartment.. it burnt thier building and half of my neighbors house.. so how are fireworks not a threat to me personally?

I mean seriously you couldn't have picked a worse moment to say that.

I took that picture heh

So we should ban cars. Ok.

[iruinedyourday]

Do you have any real replies?

[iruinedyourday]

I mean you do realize that loads and loads of money goes into legislation that force automakers to build say for vehicles right?

[Ranndom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-dzLkufPqY
For anyone still doubting something isn't quite right with this event.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I mean you do realize that loads and loads of money goes into legislation that force automakers to build say for vehicles right?

I mean you do realize the entire nature of your argument hinges upon "if someone can do something bad with xyz thing, it should be banned" right?

[iruinedyourday]

I mean you do realize the entire nature of your argument hinges upon "if someone can do something bad with xyz thing, it should be banned" right?

You have not been reading any of my posts I think we should ban guns of course but I know that we're not gonna ban guns. My arguments are the gun culture is disgusting and I blame mass shootings on the glorification the gun culture puts on guns and Kevlar and armor in A.R. 15's and shit. I believe that if you are a person that likes that shit and you support gun ownership that you're a disgusting human being and you deserve no respect. I think the blood is on your hands.

What I do think we should do is make gun manufacturers and gun buyers pay out-of-pocket loads and loads of money to help pay for the damage that guns in this nation cause.

[Ranndom]

You have not been reading any of my posts I think we should ban guns of course but I know that we're not gonna ban guns. My arguments are the gun culture is disgusting and I blame mass shootings on the glorification the gun culture puts on guns and Kevlar and armor in A.R. 15's and shit. I believe that if you are a person that likes that shit and you support gun ownership that you're a disgusting human being and you deserve no respect. I think the blood is on your hands.

What I do think we should do is make gun manufacturers and gun buyers pay out-of-pocket loads and loads of money to help pay for the damage that guns in this nation cause.

I personally believe you shouldnt be allowed near children and perhaps even check yourself into a hospital. You sound like a serious danger to yourself and those around you.
Gun owners and users don't hate non gun owners. We completely understand and we hold nothing against them. Its their choice. But you anti gunners...i mean you guys are just savages. Mindless thieves.

[MrSparkle001]

I blame mass shootings on the glorification the gun culture puts on guns and Kevlar and armor in A.R. 15's and shit.

I blame it on games like Counter Strike.

This thread has gone to shit.

I don't really blame it on games

[iruinedyourday]

You're a sick and disgusting person why would I care what you think random?

[iruinedyourday]

I blame it on games like Counter Strike.

This thread has gone to shit.

I don't really blame it on games

I don't think games does either don't misinterpret me.

But I do think you all posting about how you would shoot someone for x reasons, gun culture attracting degenerates and crazies as it already is, and your cultures love for guns designed to kill people in violently horrible ways, it should be no suprise to anyone that mentally unstable people would turn to guns and mass shooting as a way to solve thier problems. It's becoming the American jihad. You guys fucking love it too.

I mean look at this shit 24 pages of you guys trolling anyone who is anti gun. It's disgusting.

Gun owners should pay huge amounts to balance the damage they and thier ilk cause.

[Pokesan]

I prefer my political opinions in penguin form thank you

http://thismodernworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/TMW2011-01-12acolorlowres-copy.jpg

[Shrubwise]

Sorry retard but if you get shot irl at point blank range multiple times, you're dropping like a sack of bricks. There are tons of video's of dudes 2-3x the size of this reporter being shot at close range and every single time they're down instantly.



Who the fuck goes on social media within hours of their girlfriend that he was going to marry and talks about her death with what so obviously as fuck looks like scripted bullshit.

How's the down syndrome thing working out for you IRL though? Look out. You might get a .50 cent raise for flipping those burgers so well!

Reported for IRL attacks. I don't know how you found out that I flip burgers for a living. Stop doxing me. Enjoy your ban.

Edit: oh, and you are an insane person. I'll bet you deny Sandy Hook or the Holocaust happened, right? Paid actors?

[iruinedyourday]

Yea that's the ticket!

[Whiteberry]

Like No BS, it was a real shooting.... I just got back from the supposed "crime scene" ( I live ~10 min away ) and all the wood is replaced where the body's laid, Fresh power washing on the wood and the walls. Like im still in shock about going there and it actually being real. That dude is really fucked up in the head for doing that, You can tell from his ethical background and the way he acted he enjoyed it which is even more fucked up about it. He shouldn't have had access to a gun none the less free will, I hope someone accidentally puts a nice long syringe of air in his IV, that or put some cyanide and watch him suffer just like those innocent people did just a hell of a lot longer and more painful.

[Pokesan]

Like No BS, it was a real shooting.... I just got back from the supposed "crime scene" ( I live ~10 min away ) and all the wood is replaced where the body's laid, Fresh power washing on the wood and the walls. Like im still in shock about going there and it actually being real. That dude is really fucked up in the head for doing that, You can tell from his ethical background and the way he acted he enjoyed it which is even more fucked up about it. He shouldn't have had access to a gun none the less free will, I hope someone accidentally puts a nice long syringe of air in his IV, that or put some cyanide and watch him suffer just like those innocent people did just a hell of a lot longer and more painful.

your post? the first part was OK and then you got all creepy and bloodthirsty

I rate it five kagatobs out of a possible ten

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

2 years ago 10 Kagatobs made you a pedo, don't know what its worth these days. :confused:

[iruinedyourday]

All I know is if I had forum hate sex with anybody it'd be kaga.

[Pokesan]

All I know is if I had forum hate sex with anybody it'd be kaga.

this post warrants a full 13 out of 11 possible kagatobs.

because it would be cool if you did stuff to his butt.

[MrSparkle001]

Like No BS, it was a real shooting.... I just got back from the supposed "crime scene" ( I live ~10 min away ) and all the wood is replaced where the body's laid, Fresh power washing on the wood and the walls. Like im still in shock about going there and it actually being real. That dude is really fucked up in the head for doing that, You can tell from his ethical background and the way he acted he enjoyed it which is even more fucked up about it. He shouldn't have had access to a gun none the less free will, I hope someone accidentally puts a nice long syringe of air in his IV, that or put some cyanide and watch him suffer just like those innocent people did just a hell of a lot longer and more painful.

He's dead, he shot himself. No syringes. Unless you're talking about a different murder.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

All I know is if I had forum hate sex with anybody it'd be kaga.

Sorry but I'm not a faggo...

Enomuia is gone now so can I call people bundles of sticks again or is this still monitored by the SS guard?

[MrSparkle001]

I don't think games does either don't misinterpret me.

But I do think you all posting about how you would shoot someone for x reasons, gun culture attracting degenerates and crazies as it already is, and your cultures love for guns designed to kill people in violently horrible ways, it should be no suprise to anyone that mentally unstable people would turn to guns and mass shooting as a way to solve thier problems. It's becoming the American jihad. You guys fucking love it too.

I mean look at this shit 24 pages of you guys trolling anyone who is anti gun. It's disgusting.

Gun owners should pay huge amounts to balance the damage they and thier ilk cause.

Even the girl's father doesn't want guns banned. What we want is a way to prevent people like this nutjob from buying them.

It's an incredibly complicated problem though. How do you determine someone isn't fit to own a gun if they haven't been professionally diagnosed and aren't exhibiting any outward signs? Can't just ban guns, can't just order thorough background checks, can't just arm every citizen in the hopes they can defend themselves, and can't let things continue as they are. Wtf do you do?

There's nothing wrong with being anti gun but there is something wrong with thinking banning guns is the answer.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Even the girl's father doesn't want guns banned. What we want is a way to prevent people like this nutjob from buying them.

It's an incredibly complicated problem though. How do you determine someone isn't fit to own a gun if they haven't been professionally diagnosed and aren't exhibiting any outward signs? Can't just ban guns, can't just order thorough background checks, can't just arm every citizen in the hopes they can defend themselves, and can't let things continue as they are. Wtf do you do?

There's nothing wrong with being anti gun but there is something wrong with thinking banning guns is the answer.

Single payer health care system would solve that.

Everyone gets mandatory mental evals every 2-5 years, results put in a database. Done.

[iruinedyourday]

Or we could work to a goal of instituting a government buyback program. Voluntary disarmament.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

But but... muh Australia plan.

Apples to oranges.

[iruinedyourday]

Not really..

[Big_Japan]

VESTER FLANAGAN INCONTROVERTABLY CONFIRMED #GamerGate SUPPORTER (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hva4EccGWV8)

(LIKE KAGATOB)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Not really..
Certainly, I suggest you look at things like population distribution and guns per-capita (pre "buyback ofc) and compare the two.
VESTER FLANAGAN INCONTROVERTABLY CONFIRMED #GamerGate SUPPORTER (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hva4EccGWV8)

(LIKE KAGATOB)

"plays online games with an online group called gamergate"
"he was an avid gamergate supporter, said someone on twitter"
http://i.imgur.com/qCMR7Dh.jpg

[Caladbolg]

Or we could work to a goal of instituting a government buyback program. Voluntary disarmament.
Do you really think anyone would go for that?

[Rararboker]

Idiots might go for it.

[MrSparkle001]

Single payer health care system would solve that.

Everyone gets mandatory mental evals every 2-5 years, results put in a database. Done.

That sort of mandate will never happen in our lifetime (or at least mine; I'm older than a lot of you), but I'm not exactly opposed to mandatory mental health evaluations for people who want to buy a gun, assuming it can be done without great expense (doctors love to charge exorbitant fees) and the psych's potential personal prejudice against guns doesn't affect his/her's evaulation in order to prevent a gun purchase.

[Whiteberry]

He's dead, he shot himself. No syringes. Unless you're talking about a different murder.
I'm Sorry your Misinformed.... Hes not dead, hes still alive in the hospital ( Inside sources ) but listed as Critical condition

[Ranndom]

Like No BS, it was a real shooting.... I just got back from the supposed "crime scene" ( I live ~10 min away ) and all the wood is replaced where the body's laid, Fresh power washing on the wood and the walls. Like im still in shock about going there and it actually being real. That dude is really fucked up in the head for doing that, You can tell from his ethical background and the way he acted he enjoyed it which is even more fucked up about it. He shouldn't have had access to a gun none the less free will, I hope someone accidentally puts a nice long syringe of air in his IV, that or put some cyanide and watch him suffer just like those innocent people did just a hell of a lot longer and more painful.

You do know that there was no cleaning crew for the site right? You know who cleaned up the blood? The construction crew. Blood is considered a bio hazard for ~3 days i think? Now ask yourself, Why would a construction crew be cleaning and replacing everything within hours?
1. To HIDE evidence.
2. Not even a real construction crew. Almost certainly Privately hired or government agency

[Ranndom]

Do you really think anyone would go for that?

Most gun owners are smart enough not to associate themselves with anything that has government in the title.

[Systolic]

eh I think its the gun nut culture that is to blame for all these shootings. The fact taht there is a culture of people that basically masturbate to weapons designed to kill people and ironically they are the same demographic that scream about delusional conspiracy theories makes me not surprised that delusional creeps that hate people are attracted to it too.

https://i.imgur.com/XikHMqU.gif

So in a way, I'm blaming people who like guns for all the mass shootings in america. I think you're behavior attracts and encourages wackos to leap off the edge.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.. yea well, all the people that commit these mass shootings were the good guys with the guns weeks earlier.

Ever tried explaining to a republican that 9/11 was an inside job? Come back to this thread after youve done that.

[iruinedyourday]

A government buyback would be great, eventually the dipshits that own guns gotta pay rent and we know half of them are unemployed.

It's like people that cash out here. It happens a lot. Over a decade the number of guns would drop so drastically.

[Ranndom]

A government buyback would be great, eventually the dipshits that own guns gotta pay rent and we know half of them are unemployed.

It's like people that cash out here. It happens a lot. Over a decade the number of guns would drop so drastically.

The numbers of criminals would increase drastically too.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

A government buyback would be great, eventually the dipshits that own guns gotta pay rent and we know half of them are unemployed.

It's like people that cash out here. It happens a lot. Over a decade the number of guns would drop so drastically.
Not a single coherent thought was responsible for any of the words typed in the quoted post.

[iruinedyourday]

That's not true both of you. Lol if criminals had guns and they could get money for them they'ed be robbing eachother for the buyback value.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

>buyback
>illegal guns
Pick one.
It's almost as if you know nothing about the agenda you're pushing.

[iruinedyourday]

>buyback
>illegal guns
Pick one.
It's almost as if you know nothing about the agenda you're pushing.

What are you talking about? Where have I said I want guns to be illegal? Again you read nothing yet you still reply. I've said what I want and this buyback idea are two separate thoughts many times. I would love guns to magically disappear, I wouldn't push that as a possibility though, you idiot.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

What are you talking about? Where have I said I want guns to be illegal? Again you read nothing yet you still reply. I've said what I want and this buyback idea are two separate thoughts many times. I would love guns to magically disappear, I wouldn't push that as a possibility though, you idiot.

Thank you for confirming my previous post beyond any doubt.
You actually just asserted that not only are all guns in America legally owned/obtained but that you expect criminals to exclusively have in their possession legally owned guns.

Or are you implying that the kind of buyback program you suggest would hand out cash for firearms with no questions asked...? But I don't even need to get into the plethora of compound problems surrounding that idea do I?

[Ranndom]

What are you talking about? Where have I said I want guns to be illegal? Again you read nothing yet you still reply. I've said what I want and this buyback idea are two separate thoughts many times. I would love guns to magically disappear, I wouldn't push that as a possibility though, you idiot.

Tell you what, Lets do a buyback, but with only cops and their service firearms.

[iruinedyourday]

Sure cops have less credibility these days than criminals tbh

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'm no fan of cops but holy generalization Batman.

[Ranndom]

Sure cops have less credibility these days than criminals tbh

lol...you really make no sense. I take it you've never been another humans victim.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Sure cops have less credibility these days than criminals tbh

Confirmed rape apologist.

[Orruar]

Sure cops have less credibility these days than criminals tbh

Go volunteer your time down in the ghetto for a few weeks and then come back and report on who you like less, cops or criminals.

[iruinedyourday]

Cool

[Ranndom]

Go volunteer your time down in the ghetto for a few weeks and then come back and report on who you like less, cops or criminals.

I hate cops more than most people, but ghetto's and cities are two places i refuse to go into. Ill at least walk into a police station if i have to lol

[Big_Japan]

buddy you're a brother o wait no you're a mother you're stayin' alive, stayin alive

^^^
what does he actually say??? is that right?

[Big_Japan]

venus seen you breakin now everybody's shakin you're stayin alive, stayin alive (???)

[Ranndom]

Lol Japan....Really XD

[Big_Japan]

updated hypothesis for 2nd: venus seen you breakin down everyone's shakin and we're stayin alive, stayin alive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Ok so Im on mobile and went to look at the song with subtitles since I thought it would be a good laugh, accidentally clicked the paid advert for "intersectional Feminism" by that cow Lacy Green (mtvbraless).
Anyway, I hit back and clicked the link I wanted (Bee Gees) and while it was playing, the subtitles were for the intersectional Feminism vid.

Suffice to say it was magical.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://i.imgur.com/qYzFcsh.png
http://i.imgur.com/DzFh5z8.png
http://i.imgur.com/q8UL9Kh.png
http://i.imgur.com/iot6QHP.png
http://i.imgur.com/eNqh8pd.png

[Rararboker]

You know what mass shooters have in common other than a loose responsibility for their own guns and psychotic medications? They are liberals.

[Big_Japan]

Ok so Im on mobile and went to look at the song with subtitles since I thought it would be a good laugh, accidentally clicked the paid advert for "intersectional Feminism" by that cow Lacy Green (mtvbraless).
Anyway, I hit back and clicked the link I wanted (Bee Gees) and while it was playing, the subtitles were for the intersectional Feminism vid.

Suffice to say it was magical.

high quality contribution


RIP Vester Flanagan (https://youtu.be/IH2Oqs-qhQU)

[hatelore]

I consider .380 and .38 Special still a step below 9mm in terms of stopping power.

380 really isnt even in the same ballpark as 9mm or 38.

But, there really isnt much diference in the diameter of a 9 or 38, a couple thousanths of an inch is all. 38 is a revolver style round that can hold its own since you can use +pp hollowpoints etc, and in some 9mm, you have issues with feedramps loading properly when attempting to use hot loads that are hollowpoint etc. The downside is 5 to 6 shots in a cylinder compared to a large capacity magazine spitting out a lot of 9mm rounds at a little higher velocity.

Overall either is a decent round and very comparable in stopping power. But why chance it? Be a man and carry 357 mag or 45 like me =p

[Big_Japan]

Cho used .22lr to great effect. It's honestly not a bad caliber -- the ammo is light and it's easy to make a lot of accurate shots thanks to no recoil at all. Not to mention real cheap to get very proficient with.

Caliber warriors are in the same league as size queens as far as I'm concerned. And that's coming from someone with an exceptionally girthy member. There's no reason an EDC shouldn't take into consideration size and weight of the weapon and be chambered accordingly other than the ole "muh caliber = penis size". A 12ga is the smallest thing chambered adequately to defend a household anyway, and you won't be carrying that in your mustard-stained cargo shorts.

[hatelore]

Yeah I agree. I say we all should just use pellet guns. They have exeptionally low recoil and fit well in cargo shorts.

[MrSparkle001]

I'm Sorry your Misinformed.... Hes not dead, hes still alive in the hospital ( Inside sources ) but listed as Critical condition

Dude he died a few hours after the murders. He shot himself in the car he rented.

He was taken to a hospital in critical condition but died.

Or are you not talking about Vester Flanagan?

[Big_Japan]

Yeah I agree. I say we all should just use pellet guns. They have exeptionally low recoil and fit well in cargo shorts.

you know, investigating further it is unclear how extensively Cho may have only used his Glock 19 in reaching the high score. He was carrying a .22 as well but the glock seems to be the primary based on the very thin documentation in this venue. The best I have is a mention on wikipedia that he used the Glock 19 exclusively which seems not to be confirmed by the sources cited.

I'm having trouble finding any breakdown of what weapon was used per-victim to see how much the .22 contributed. For some reason I was under the impression he carried two .22 pistols this whole time and was able to reach the high score that way, but my world has been flipped upside-down.

Requesting that the next red99 breakdown rampage perpetrator use .22lr exclusively so we can assess how practical the caliber is for slaughtering humans.

[Rogean]

But why chance it? Be a man and carry 357 mag or 45 like me =p

Because first hand experience with military and law enforcement has shown no difference in stopping power between a 45 and a 9. That's why both are moving away from 40/45 and towards 9.

[Pscottdai]

Because first hand experience with military and law enforcement has shown no difference in stopping power between a 45 and a 9. That's why both are moving away from 40/45 and towards 9.

Except the military has finally realized it was a mistake and is going back to .45 mm, at least in SOF units.

[hatelore]

Because first hand experience with military and law enforcement has shown no difference in stopping power between a 45 and a 9. That's why both are moving away from 40/45 and towards 9.

Rogean... I appreciate all you have done with this awesome server, for that alone I fucking love you. But...


That above comment could not be farther from the truth, and any amount of minuscule research on your part would show you that.


First off lets start with the Military. The Military, does what it can to buy in bulk and save money. Look at their current side arm issued to the Military. It is a pos and anyone in the service will tell you the same. But there is a reason they still use it: cost. They also want to stay in line with Nato so they stick to 9 mm. Since most side pieces in Nato are chambered in 9×19mm Parabellum round.


Now lets look at the major fundamental difference between the military and Police forces. American military personnel are trained to suppress followed by ambush attacks. Suppress your aggressor with suppression fire, and follow up with ambush tactics.


Police forces are taught much different then that. Unload until your aggressor is no longer a threat. Usually in 3 shot bursts, 2 to the torso one to the head.


Now lets look at where that plays into police forces and Military forces going more towards the 9×19mm Parabellum round over the 45 acp or 357 magnum load.

Military forces: Cost trumps all, followed by Nato standardization.
Police forces: More ammunition per magazine resulting in a better chance to eliminate your threat. 19 compared to 8 is a big difference in bullet capacity. But note that, most of your old school cops with experience still trust there 8 shot 1911 auto over a noobie cops Glock. There is a reason for that level of trust, 1911 in 45 acp is a proven winner.

The 9×19mm Parabellum is a higher velocity than normal round which grants better armor penetration.

The 357 and 45 carry a lot more kinetic energy behind them resulting in a much more substantial amount of stopping power and more expansion resulting in a larger created wound cavity.

When figuring in Kinetic Energy, here is a look at some figures so you can see the difference. The 357 greatly prevails over 45 or 9mm, but as a revolver round, you are limited on capacity, but not reliability.

•.357 Mag, 158 gr. XTP at 1250 fps MV: 548 ft. lbs. ME, 464 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 404 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 327 ft. lbs. at 200 yards

•.357 Mag, 180 gr. XTP at 1150 fps MV: 528 ft. lbs. ME, 466 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 420 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 354 ft. lbs. at 200 yards

•9x19mm, 147 gr. XTP at 1000 fps MV: 326 ft. lbs. ME, 298 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 275 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 238 ft. lbs. at 200 yards

•.45 ACP, 230 gr. XTP at 850 fps MV: 369 ft. lbs. ME, 342 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 318 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 277 ft. lbs. at 200 yards


I'd take a good revolver chambered in 357 magnum or a well made 1911 in 45 acp over a spray and pray glock, any day of the week.


But that's just me. Any gun, is better than no gun. Even a cheap RG 22 revolver.

[hatelore]

P.s



I love what you have done with the server, p1999 is the best!!1110ne Don't taze me bro~

(Also, I forgot to mention that there are larger capacity mags for 45 than 7, I was just referring to your standard 1911 mag.)

[hatelore]

Also I will say though that 40 caliber is a shit round. It has too much recoil, sometimes noticeably more than a 45 ( I know this from first hand experience owning both 40 and 45 autos), with less stopping power than a 45 round. If I had to choose, I would actually use 9mm over a 40 caliber handgun. The recoil produced from a 40 is not worth the small amount of gained stopping power over a 9mm cartridge.

[iruinedyourday]

You guys realize you're talking about bullets and guns and shit in a thread about a guy shooting a coworker? Yikes

[Ranndom]

You guys realize you're talking about bullets and guns and shit in a thread about a guy shooting a coworker? Yikes

Theyre discussing stopping power and the effect it has on a person upon impact. Its completely relevant and quality knowledge to take into consideration when forming an opinion on the video.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You guys realize you're talking about bullets and guns and shit in a thread about a guy shooting a coworker? Yikes

Does it... trigger you?

[Thulghor]

Glocks are actually pretty good guns. They even have models in .45 ACP. Polymer guns are legit, be it Glock, Sig, Springfield, or S&W M&P. The old standards of Colt, Ruger, and S&W aren't the only ones to go by anymore. I'm still apprehensive of anything made by Taurus though.

Here's some fun stuff about the 9mm vs. .45 ACP debate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson%E2%80%93LaGarde_Tests

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-ammunition-ballistics/187146-45-acp-vs-9mm-here-comes-some-hard-data.html

http://www.tactical-life.com/gear/45-acp-vs-9mm-ammo/#bsum-buffoni (dubious source)

http://looserounds.com/2014/09/21/fbi-9mm-justification-fbi-training-division/

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2014/01/20/memes/

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/9mm-vs-45-acp-debate-u-s-army-replace-9mm/

http://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/guns/case-closed-fbi-says-9mm-is-the-best-pistol-round/

Something tells me this debate won't be settled anytime soon, barring the introduction of phased plasma weapons in the 40-watt range.

In general, loading 9mm +P in 127-147 grain hollowpoints (if even an option in your state) will do a pretty good job against a person. .45ACP +P in 230 grain is generally overkill. Being able to stop a dude cranked out on meth and PCP with either in one or two shots is dubious unless you've trained properly and extensively or get really lucky. Even then, not so much.

If you're shooting cheap ass Blazer rounds out of either, your mileage may vary.

[Pokesan]

My favorite gun is the AGL Arms 45 Long Colt

It really packs a wallop!

[Ranndom]

My favorite gun is the AGL Arms 45 Long Colt

It really packs a wallop!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16SIvVKtuks
Just imagine taking a bullet from this thing.

[hatelore]

I agree, glocks are solid guns. They just never really caught my eye, not a fan of their design. But I have read they are very rugged and can withstand a good amount of abuse. If I ever catch a good deal on one though I'll pick one up, just out of curiousity.

[hatelore]

I'd have to say my all time favorite, on fun factor alone is a colt python. That is a hell of a fun gun to shoot.

[Ranndom]

I agree, glocks are solid guns. They just never really caught my eye, not a fan of their design. But I have read they are very rugged and can withstand a good amount of abuse. If I ever catch a good deal on one though I'll pick one up, just out of curiousity.

Theres only 2 things i like about glocks.
1. They're pretty damn hard to break.
2. I would not feel guilty about using it as a makeshift hammer. Whether for nails or someones skull if it came to.

[Ranndom]

I'd have to say my all time favorite, on fun factor alone is a colt python. That is a hell of a fun gun to shoot.

I couldnt tell you why, but i cant get enough of a Beretta 92

[Thulghor]

I used to dislike the Beretta 92, but later came to realize that my dislike was largely due to the ones I had experience with being beaten up ill maintained pieces of military junk. Then again, I served in a unit that had some of the worst firearms and firearm-maintenance I had ever seen (or ever saw after). It was downright appalling. I could write a book about it. Heard an IG inspection eventually ironed it out.

Recently for a security gig, I got a chance to mess around with a Taurus PT92 SS, which I got on loan from a colleague of mine (this was before they changed the state law about that).

At first I was pretty apprehensive about it (heard a number of Taurus horror stories in the past), and I normally carry a very different piece, but this time I had to go to 9mm for the job due to insurance and logistics concerns (which were rather pointless anyway, as the gig was very uneventful). After getting to familiarize myself with it (and put some rounds downrange), it wasn't bad at all. I was given advice that, if I ever got one myself, to get after market magazines for it though. Apparently the factory ones were awful. Not sure what brand of mags my friend had. I forgot to ask.

[hatelore]

I got a 40 caliber taurus in a trade. The gun was actually pretty decent but the magazine sucks ass. It was literally painful to even load cartridges in. The metal edges are not erginomically friendly and it hurts to load rounds. I traded it off for another nice pistol.

[Big_Japan]

I got a 40 caliber taurus in a trade. The gun was actually pretty decent but the magazine sucks ass. It was literally painful to even load cartridges in. The metal edges are not erginomically friendly and it hurts to load rounds. I traded it off for another nice pistol.

you realize that the magazine is a replaceable part for which aftermarket pieces exist, yes?

[hatelore]

you realize that the magazine is a replaceable part for which aftermarket pieces exist, yes?

I had no idea. Thanks for the tip though.

[iruinedyourday]

this thread is cringe city yikes. Love u tho hatelore :)

but guns are bad

http://emojipedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/160x160x51-grimacing-face.png.pagespeed.ic.xqIdU_IYIU.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

^
Twat

[Thulghor]

http://www.gunlaws.com/GunPhobia.htm

[iruinedyourday]

lal u guys are talkn to me about phobias and are so terrified of the popular kids still you carry guns around w/ and talk about stopping power? cringing hard

[Thulghor]

Do you think about the words you type before you type and post them? Have you been paying attention to anything in this thread at all?

[iruinedyourday]

Do you think about the words you type before you type and post them? Have you been paying attention to anything in this thread at all?

yep!

http://i.imgur.com/fJkXABm.jpg

[Thulghor]

There's no manifesto to be had here. You sound panicked. Whether you like it or not, weapons are going to be a continuing factor in human society, be they guns, knives, fists, or whatever.

What happened to the reporter and her crew was a tragedy. It sucks. Tragedies happen every day though.

You do know there are professions that involve the responsible use of firearms right? Police, military, private security, private investigation, range and safety instruction? It's not just self defense and crime out here.

Do you live in the US?

You sound panicked.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

He's a pussy little social justice paladin, all he knows is panic.

[iruinedyourday]

I sound panicked telling you guys to calm down u dont need guns or to defend yourself.. lawl

[Thulghor]

You know you're posting in a thread about someone getting shot by a crazy person right?

[iruinedyourday]

im posting in a thread filled with crazy people, I know that much yiiiiiiiiiiiiikes

[Thulghor]

Likewise.

[hatelore]

I actually have guns for many reasons, growing up my father was a gunsmith and owned a gun shop. I carry on that family tradition through gunsmithing and stock re-finishing in my spare time.

I also love to target shoot and I have a ton of fun shooting with my kids when we get the chance. I would rather be the one to teach my kids proper gun safety as my father taught me. Not their friends when they are teenagers.

Another reason is equity. I have equity in my house, my 401k, my IRA and in my guns. I own some pretty nice firearms. Some I will pass down to my kids, and others I use to sell and trade to aquire more firearms to add to my collection. I have guns that have more than tripled in value from when I aquired them.


And lastly, I have guns to protect my family and myself. I have yet to have one of my firearms attack me on their own free will. When one does though, I will throw them all away and get a good wooden stick with a nail in it.

[iruinedyourday]

There's room in the new world for you hatelore but over time I will have all your guns in museums and or melted down in my utopia.

[hatelore]

There's room in the new world for you hatelore but over time I will have all your guns in museums and or melted down in my utopia.

[iruinedyourday]

I'll even give you secret guns in my utopia of you help me finally get that Peggy cloak on my monk! (Monks by the way don't even use swords and have almost the best dps in the game, further proof guns arnt the best for self defense)

[Raev]

even orruar and rogean couldn't save this terrible thread.

[GradnerLives]

And lastly, I have guns to protect my family and myself. I have yet to have one of my firearms attack me on their own free will. When one does though, I will throw them all away and get a good wooden stick with a nail in it.

That board with a nail in it may have defeated us, but the humans won't stop there. They'll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!

https://theyearofhalloween.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/kodos-and-krang-simpsons-treehouse-of-horror-ii.gif

[Ranndom]

There's room in the new world for you hatelore but over time I will have all your guns in museums and or melted down in my utopia.

Typical, claims "We dont want to take your guns" then threatens to destroy and steal them all.
This is why nobody likes anti-gunners. Hell, even anti-gunners hate each other. You have forked tongues that turn black every time you go to speak.

[Ranndom]

(Monks by the way don't even use swords and have almost the best dps in the game, further proof guns arnt the best for self defense)
You're officially delusional. You need some serious help.

[iruinedyourday]

Cringing at you hard

[maskedmelon]

There's room in the new world for you hatelore but over time I will have all your guns in museums and or melted down in my utopia.

Don't be so humble IRYD! I know you'll not rest until all men are safe not only from inanimate objects, but also themselves. Stop not at confiscation of firearms, but seize also other implements of evil including shoelaces, spoons, hands, feet and teeth such that none may fall victim to the treacherous schemes of those depraved constructs over which their noble minds hold no sway.