Nec vs Epic Mage farming

[iruinedyourday]

Hey guys, I want a stupid crappy plat farmer toon..

the epic mage is obviously great, but how does a lvl 60 Nec compare?

If you were to say, farm Legonares in Loio with a Nec vs a Mag, what would that be like?

what about seafuries, or some harder stuff?

Now keep in mind this is for trash farming. Stuff you dont need mana and stuff for.. Im looking to kill the most amount of these tash mobs to get the random drops or plat or kill lowbie stuff as easily as possible.. so its p much Epic mage pet style camps that im after and it dawned on me a necro has a pet, hows the necro pets compare for this stuff?

Thanks!

[Castcalm]

You already have the epic mage? Use it.

You gonna roll either mage or necro and get to 60 to farm trash? Go necro.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm mostly curious how the dps of necro pet handles against the dps of the epic Mage as well as life span of the pets comparatively etc.

How much better is the Mage epic pet? Does a necro casting fear and having a backstabbing pet out dps a Mage epic? That kind of stuff.

Obviously a necro is a bit easier since they don't need the epic, like a Mage does.. But is the Mage pet so much better that that extra effort is worth it?

[drelk001]

I'm mostly curious how the dps of necro pet handles against the dps of the epic Mage as well as life span of the pets comparatively etc.

How much better is the Mage epic pet? Does a necro casting fear and having a backstabbing pet out dps a Mage epic? That kind of stuff.

Obviously a necro is a bit easier since they don't need the epic, like a Mage does.. But is the Mage pet so much better that that extra effort is worth it?

mage pets own against necro pets hands down

now, the epic pet will own a capped necro pet and the necro.

necro epic is easier but mages more worth it IMO

[Pyrion]

Necro is way hardier than mage. What will you do as a mage when things go south? A necro has several options.

Pet wise a mage is better and has to be, because that's essentially all the mage has. So for lazy farming of easy mobs the mage is hands down better. If you want to farm hard stuff the necro will win every day.

[Waedawen]

The mage epic pet is a borderline coding error.

If you're seriously willing to invest the time etc to get the Magician epic, go that way. If you just want an alt to farm with, play a Necro

[dafier]

This is a great post. And, all I can do is agree with all.

Hands down a mage with an epic is on easy street, but the damn quest is what Waedawen said. It's seriously stupid to achieve.

BUT....of course when you get it....pfft....

On live during Velious time frame, I used to make Mage groups (epic mage) and farm SG/Kael and DN. 2 solid level 60 groups even with a couple rogues didn't have the damage output that 6 mage epic pets had.** It's stupid.

**Please, someone try this. It's so fun

[dafier]

Another fun thing to do with Mage groups is invite 1 cleric with Celestial Healing. All they do it HoT pets and it turns in to easy street.

[iruinedyourday]

I was really posting this asking cus geting a necro to 60 vs getting a mage to 60 and getting an epic is a lot more difficult and if it wasn't THAT much better for killing green merbz maybe the necro would be a better strat.

Awesome guys thanks, sounds like if you are gonna invest the time and playing the long game, Mage is the way to go!

Thanks!

[Dirt]

I thought about making a new thread, but figured I could just ask here instead:

Just hit 49 on my Mage, and the 49 earth pet is a beast. What can I go farm to make all the moneyz?

I am poor. Give me some ideas. A friend told me to try CoS/Idol of the Thorned/Earring of Essence in Droga. Is that doable by a 49 Mage? What else is out there? What other good cash camps are there that I could solo?

[jaybone]

You aren't playing again shut up.

[SNIPERS]

Necro is way hardier than mage. What will you do as a mage when things go south? A necro has several options.

Pet wise a mage is better and has to be, because that's essentially all the mage has. So for lazy farming of easy mobs the mage is hands down better. If you want to farm hard stuff the necro will win every day.

easy. when things go south, you poof pet and CoH yourself to clear agro or you time another chain.

[Charlievox]

I played a Mage for seven years on Live. Got to Level 84 and never even got close to getting my Epic.
I still say that damn flying horse is an EQ myth!

[fishingme]

Necro pet vs mage epic pet? Is this really a question or a troll post?

[Pyrocat]

Borderline afk trash farming: go mage
Sniping nameds deep in a dungeon: go necro (or ench)

[iruinedyourday]

You aren't playing again shut up.

lol

[Tenlaar]

Borderline afk trash farming: go mage

That's exactly why I'm leveling a mage up now. Killing furies or farming tradeskill mats or whatever while I playing other games or watching movies.

The problem is that now it's getting to where I rarely focus on the game enough to play my bard main. I haven't done anything in Velious except get him a CS tooth and bound in Thurgadin.

[Teppler]

Charming necro > epic mage > necro with spectre pet > mage with non epic pet

[polishanarchy]

I do seafuries occasionally... spectre pet + encyclopedia necrotheurgia destroys them (don't even need to fear kite if you're feeling lazy). It's not the easiest item to get, but I'd bet it's a lot easier than mage epic.

[jaybone]

I do seafuries occasionally... spectre pet + encyclopedia necrotheurgia destroys them (don't even need to fear kite if you're feeling lazy). It's not the easiest item to get, but I'd bet it's a lot easier than mage epic.


I chortled when i read that.

[iruinedyourday]

hmm I didnt know about the encyclopedia.. not easy to get indeed..

[Reaf]

Is spectre pet > non mage epic pets? really? cool. is it because of lifetap? dmg? hp? something else? is that with focus items for both?

[Bristlebaner]

Is spectre pet > non mage epic pets? really? cool. is it because of lifetap? dmg? hp? something else? is that with focus items for both?

I think Teppler was inferring that the necro class is stronger in general than a mage. More versatile and much greater survivability.

Pet for pet, mage pets tend to be stronger. But class vs class, necro would probably be the preferred choice.

[Izmael]

If you're trying to decide which class to roll, go necro instead of mage. You'll be glad you did.

There are few (if any) things that Mages (even epic) can solo that Necros can't. Not sure I can think of any (not involving weird ass stuff such as corpsing 10 epic orbs etc. And even then.).

There is a HUGE amount of stuff that Necros can kill but Mages can't.

The epic mage pet is great for farming trash (Droga-level or so). I'm not saying an epic mage cannot kill harder stuff (2 chained epic pets kill Allizewzaur easily), but then again, a necro will own the same Allizewzaur without epic. Epic pet is great for farming seafuries as well. A solo epic mage with muzzle of mardu will nearly keep the whole SF island clear solo (without Clarity, not quite clear because named pops will hold you back a lot).

Mage is hard mode EQ because you have very, very few tools at your disposal.
To deal with a situation getting out of control, a mage can
1) Gate
2) Run
3) Chain pet (epic pet takes 20 seconds to cast and 3 minutes recast so chaining epic pet is only relatively doable).


Necro is easy mode because you have so many tools. To deal with a bad situtation a necro can

1) Gate
2) Run
3) Chain pet
4) FD
5) Mez
6) Charm
7) Root
8) Snare
9) Fear
10)... probably other stuff I can't think of right now

Add to this that a mage without epic lacks its most important ability.
Necro without epic is just fine.

Also add to this that necros get pretty much infinite mana, can heal themselves..
Just go necro.

[Pyrion]

10) is harmshield

But really after you have 4) (FD) you don't really need more.

[dafier]

Being an epic mage, I can agree with a lot of this. Necros are by far the better soloers with or without their epics.

However a mage with there epic changes game play style a bit because your pet is so beast compared to any other non-epic. NOT the same, but it's almost like the mage gets a decent chanter charmed pet without the chance of losing charm.

The DS being 50 dmg makes it absolutely OP. What would make the mage a better choice in this conversation is if he/she were epic and had non-cooldown and more pet healing spells in this era.

It's either Luclin or PoP where a Mage gets more healing spells and a HoT. With the epic mage it made him be able to spend his mana pool keeping a pet up without draining a lot of mana on dmg spells.

[Izmael]

I have an epic mage too and it's simply hard or impossible to achieve a lot of what is trivial to necros.

Epic pet is decent DPS (max hit 81 with something like a 10 delay(?) self hasted, couple of procs and the 50 DS).

The problem is the 3500 (or so) HP's the pet has. You're pretty much stuck with the pet tanking whatever you're trying to kill and the pet is only level 49, so gets hit a lot my bos higher than, say, 45. So either you can tank that mob and have pet kill + nuke the mob down, either you just cannot solo that mob. In some circumstances, you can actually solo a mob, but it will be so inefficient that it would be a pain to do it repeatedly (requiring gates, corpsing, or w/e).

Chaining epic pet works to some extent as we know but... I mean, you know it all as well as I do. If you want to rape green trash, epic pet is king. To farm most serious stuff solo, necro, enc or shm are just so much better.

[Izmael]

Just wanted to add that it all changes when it comes to duo. Epic pet + a cleric or a shaman changes the paradigm completely and is a ton of fun.

[dafier]

I will add this as well. Mage epic pet will make the top DPS charts with Raid mobs. Even though it's proc and cast doesn't last to assist with DPS, it will out or do the same damage of any monk when it is buffed with Burnout 4 and has a mask.

[Honest]

^ absolutely true, even without giving him a mask. If your sole goal is to mob mid 30's to low 40's mobs then epic pet is a beast. I wont weigh in on anything else you don't seem to care from the 1-60 just after you get 60. Mage epic hard to get, even when hate revamped I'm sure it will be highly contested and backlogged.

[iruinedyourday]

Mage epic pet is the most chill eq you can play.

That said if you want to kill namdes that are level 50+ inside a dungeon youll need another class.

But if you wanna kill ANYTHING below that anywhere else, epic mage is the best funnest most chill way to play eq there is.

[Kowalski]

I carry around a doz of the crystalline silk nets on my mage for just in case needs

http://wiki.project1999.com/Crystalline_Silk_Net

[iruinedyourday]

I carry around a doz of the crystalline silk nets on my mage for just in case needs

http://wiki.project1999.com/Crystalline_Silk_Net

god I am so jelly.. On my blue shaman every night I would gate to my bind point, aka my apartment in North Freeport, where the merchant resided, aka my pretend RP wife, and recharge my 6 Wooly Spider Nets (http://wiki.project1999.com/Wooly_Spider_Silk_Net) after a night of XP.

It was the most bad ass routine and since ive swapped to red its the only thing I miss (except for all my pals of course, olly, florid, reeb, you know the list :( )

But yea, biggest downside to red is that you cant recharge those items.

Biggest upside is i can farm SF island freely with an epic mage pretty much whenever i feel like it which "nets" me more plat than you can imagine :) (excue the pun)

oh for the days of cross server transfers so I could be banking 9k an hour /drool

[Izmael]

The problem with the SF island is that after a while you may develop an allergy to it. I farmed it too much and now I'm intolerant to cyclops. :/

[iruinedyourday]

The problem with the SF island is that after a while you may develop an allergy to it. I farmed it too much and now I'm intolerant to cyclops. :/

Same with shaman rotting. It never fails if as soon as a root breaks early im like 'FUCK IT!' and i log onto another charchter.

If a chanter pet damages my chanter at all 'FUCK IT'

Lol some things DO get old after 15 years