What is The Most Overpriced Piece of "Bad" Gear?

[Gilder]

What's the most overpriced piece of "bad gear?"

Black Chitin Leggings come to my mind. People want crazy money (600-700) for the black pixels. I remember buying them on live years ago for 75pp and my brother laughing at me.

[Doors]

FBSS.

[joppykid]

I think they're priced more for twinks than color. INT and Mana legs are tough to come by, or were before velious. They used to be minimum 1k. Also, very hard to compare pricing on Live to here, market here is so inflated compared to live.

[Evia]

Elder beads

[dafier]

Elder beads

Thread killer

[SyanideGas]

Elder beads

Game over.

[azeth]

Gem encrusted ring and it's not even close. 10k for what? Strength?

[Swish]

Donal BP (soon)

[Ele]

Donal BP (soon)

It is already in its final form.

Still has good +mana though.

[Ciroco]

They're common and therefore cheap, but I dunno why anyone uses Wu sticks before the proc. And even then, they're only good for aggro.

[Khaleesi]

Epic drops and Epic MQs
Jboots MQ
FBSS/Dragon Sash
Fingerbone Hoop
Goblin Gazughi


And too many others to list.

What I've always found disconcerting about the market and prices on P99 is that they far too often resemble near identical prices, as they were back on the old servers.
That's not mere convenience. The fact that we're intentionally pricing items based on old economic data, is bad.

I would have thought - in the spirit of allowing old and new players alike - to revisit and enjoy classic EverQuest, that charity would have come before greed.
If everyone priced things lower or more reasonably, then it would balance itself out.

I really dislike selling most things because the prices are ridiculous. Though if I don't get the full (or near full) value, then I am unable to move onto making my purchases, because the seller isn't going to necessarily feel the way I do ; and so the cycle continues.

[Monty405]

The fact that we're intentionally pricing items based on old economic data, is bad.


inb4 "Shits Classic".

[am0n]

When you only have a couple hundred plat, everything is overpriced.

[Daldaen]

Epic drops and Epic MQs
Jboots MQ
FBSS/Dragon Sash
Fingerbone Hoop
Goblin Gazughi
Agree with this list except Goblin Gazughi Ring.

As a charming class, that things changes your world. Every good Druid/Enchanter/Bard should carry one. Instant charm breaks are very handy, especially when leveling.

[Swish]

It is already in its final form.

Still has good +mana though.

I swear someone was BP clicking on red yesterday, I'd better keep that to myself :o

[Sorn]

When you only have a couple hundred plat, everything is overpriced.

I shed a tear every time I see the price list for things people say I should have as a druid.

Recently broke 1k, splurged 300pp on getting JC up to 55. Hunted hill giants all day, only to discover they were all broke too. 5gp? Come on, man... :(

[Swish]

When you only have a couple hundred plat, everything is overpriced.

That's the sad thing, the insane wealth gap for new players. Dropping a few thousand on CB belts is nothing to people that have been here a few years but to new players, selling 10-20 of those things is a huge deal.

[Ele]

Some pricing is just naturally based on when the item is generally available to get as a drop or quested. Fresh players coming to the server generally get the same amount of plat through natural level progression as they did on live.

I would hypothesize that fresh players are actually much, much wealthier (whether in liquid funds or item progression) than they would have been on live during the same expansion time period with the trickle down of mid-tier and lower-high end Kunark gear being liquidated by high end players, giving away plat to newbies for spells, etc. Very few players have to level with rusty weapons.

Sure there are some items which have higher values, but the vast amount of plat farming (Pre & post Kunark), epic MQ farming, and extended timeline has caused far, far more wealth to circulate on P99 than live had (without exploits). High end players have hundreds of thousands in plat (some with millions) ready to get the items/MQs they want.

[Pringles]

Elder beads

[Spyder73]

People trying to sell BP gems for 10K. Simply ridiculous

[Rooj]

I'm finding the prices people are selling new spells for absolutely hilarious. They are dropping like hotcakes, guy tries to sell me a LEVEL FORTY-FOUR SPELL for 2K, I buy it for 300p from another guy. Also saw a derp trying to sell a Frostbringer for 25K - the day before one was selling for 8K. *shakes head*

[untergang]

Some pricing is just naturally based on when the item is generally available to get as a drop or quested. Fresh players coming to the server generally get the same amount of plat through natural level progression as they did on live.

I would hypothesize that fresh players are actually much, much wealthier (whether in liquid funds or item progression) than they would have been on live during the same expansion time period with the trickle down of mid-tier and lower-high end Kunark gear being liquidated by high end players, giving away plat to newbies for spells, etc. Very few players have to level with rusty weapons.

Sure there are some items which have higher values, but the vast amount of plat farming (Pre & post Kunark), epic MQ farming, and extended timeline has caused far, far more wealth to circulate on P99 than live had (without exploits). High end players have hundreds of thousands in plat (some with millions) ready to get the items/MQs they want.

The problem is that nobody sells starter gear on this server. It took me a week to locate somebody who could make me a suit of banded armor and almost that long to locate a decent weapon I could afford, i.e. something that didn't cost hundreds of plat. And I was only able to buy that stuff because some guy randomly gave me a couple hundred plat. Someone who isn't as lucky as I was is going to have a really rough time rolling on a server where you can't buy a Mino Axe for 5pp at an appropriate level like you could in classic.

[joppykid]

I swear someone was BP clicking on red yesterday, I'd better keep that to myself :o

I believe it's two nerfs. Right now you can still click for a ch, now 30 sec cast time that leaves a 7 min debuff on the person healed. So you can CH someone every 7 minutes with 30 sec cast time. Next nerf I think goes to a hott or some other type of heal.

[Ele]

I believe it's two nerfs. Right now you can still click for a ch, now 30 sec cast time that leaves a 7 min debuff on the person healed. So you can CH someone every 7 minutes with 30 sec cast time. Next nerf I think goes to a hott or some other type of heal.

30 seconds + 7.5 minute buff preventing another cast is the final form.

It was 20 second cast from Kunark -> Velious + 2 weeks, then it was nerfed to 30 second cast, no recast restriction for another 3 months, then it was finally nerfed to include the recast restriction.

Velious released here in the final form with recast restriction.

The Velious Quest/PoG BPs were supposed to start with a 6 second cast Celestial Elixir, meaning you can basically spam heal 4 people for 1200 HP a tick mana free for a couple of weeks after release. Then it gets nerfed to ~24 second cast time, still equaling 300hp/tick regen per BP, then nerfed again to 1 minute cast time. A week later it was to be Mark of Karn instead.

P99 never even implemented the Celestial Elixir version of Velious BPs.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144046

[Kutsumo]

blade of the black dragon eye. Have seen people still trying to get 200k+ for this item.

[kaev]

I'm finding the prices people are selling new spells for absolutely hilarious. They are dropping like hotcakes, guy tries to sell me a LEVEL FORTY-FOUR SPELL for 2K, I buy it for 300p from another guy. Also saw a derp trying to sell a Frostbringer for 25K - the day before one was selling for 8K. *shakes head*

People asking 6kpp for the shitty paladin group heal are the best, given how limited/situational the value of the spell is and how few 55+ paladins are active here. Yesterday think I saw a seller asking 3k for the group heal (still overpriced by about 30x) and a semi-rational 2k for the L60 hp buff which is actually quite useful (for L60 paladin raidbuffbots :(.)

[fishingme]

Necro epic MQ

[Daldaen]

There were 220~ People between 4 guilds in ToV last week on Sunday. Of the 150 non-role/anon there was a single paladin.

The class doesn't get the love it deserves.

That being said, group heal is fantastic AE Aggro.

[Gilder]

They're common and therefore cheap, but I dunno why anyone uses Wu sticks before the proc. And even then, they're only good for aggro.

Ciroco, I agree. I never understand why newbs use Wu's Trance Stick instead of fighting batons. More damage and only slightly slower delay. Not like you can use the proc at level 1 anyways...

[captnamazing]

AoN

[zanderklocke]

AoN

More useful on PVP server yes. But it makes iksars non KOS in a lot of places. It's like instant clickie wolf form.

[Pyrocat]

Those "Earring of X Resistance" earrings. +5 to 1 resist, no other stats, and they used to go for thousands of plat.

[Swish]

More useful on PVP server yes. But it makes iksars non KOS in a lot of places. It's like instant clickie wolf form.

Unless you're an iksar warrior there's always invis to get to the bank, and you can bank using the wall trick in most places. Still a pain if you can't sell though, and skelly form makes good pals with ogres/trolls/etc.

[Taminy]

No contest:

AoN

[Thulghor]

Cobalt Bracer.

[Rararboker]

Shrink on an ogre is actually extremely useful.

[Thulghor]

Not 32k useful.

[Rararboker]

If you've been on a raid you'd probably disagree, lol.

[Taminy]

If you've been on a raid you'd probably disagree, lol.

Would be much nicer if you could shrink outside of group. Of course I can see a lot of griefing potential with this.

[iruinedyourday]

No contest:

AoN

yea you're right.. an item that gives you a skeleton illusion in a game that's all about customising your character is stupid... wrong.

I would literately murder someone IRL if the staff would give me a illusion dark elf mask.. so if Id go that far to be a dark elf, a skeleton is worth whatever plat ppl want for it.

Am i cia flagged now?

[captnamazing]

I don't think particularly AoN is the THE most overpriced... but it gets mention as something uber overpriced for functionality. Pras vanity

[Verath]

I'd say pre nerf fungi staff. I know its awesome but not millions of plat good.

You can buy pl to 60 for every class for millions of plat.

[Taminy]

yea you're right.. an item that gives you a skeleton illusion in a game that's all about customising your character is stupid... wrong.

I would literately murder someone IRL if the staff would give me a illusion dark elf mask.. so if Id go that far to be a dark elf, a skeleton is worth whatever plat ppl want for it.

Am i cia flagged now?

I have absolutely no interest in making my char look like a skeleton. /shrug honestly, if I was given a no drop AoN I would destroy it. But of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I didn't realize that it did faction related stuff though - but since I'm a barb faction is of little consequence. I just thought people liked it for the illusion and ghetto shrink - I have a guise though so I don't even need that :p

[Swish]

How about a guise of the deceiver? All that plat to look like a dark elf? Somehow that's "worth it"?

[Shjade]

I would hypothesize that fresh players are actually much, much wealthier (whether in liquid funds or item progression) than they would have been on live during the same expansion time period with the trickle down of mid-tier and lower-high end Kunark gear being liquidated by high end players, giving away plat to newbies for spells, etc. Very few players have to level with rusty weapons.

Sure there are some items which have higher values, but the vast amount of plat farming (Pre & post Kunark), epic MQ farming, and extended timeline has caused far, far more wealth to circulate on P99 than live had (without exploits). High end players have hundreds of thousands in plat (some with millions) ready to get the items/MQs they want.
Wealth is relative. When, as you point out, veteran players have hundreds of thousands-to-millions of plat stocked up, amounts that then have an impact on market prices (as items which might otherwise be somewhat more reasonably priced are inflated, knowing that they're often being sold to alts of the aforementioned extremely rich players as opposed to actual new characters who don't have those kinds of resources), the fact that new players may get more hand-me-downs than they would've during the same period on live isn't really a balanced tradeoff. They - and by they I actually mean "we," given I only started at the end of April myself - are likely much farther behind on the whole than they were on live outside of whatever lucky giveaways happen to land on them.

[tristantio]

Wealth is relative. When, as you point out, veteran players have hundreds of thousands-to-millions of plat stocked up, amounts that then have an impact on market prices (as items which might otherwise be somewhat more reasonably priced are inflated, knowing that they're often being sold to alts of the aforementioned extremely rich players as opposed to actual new characters who don't have those kinds of resources), the fact that new players may get more hand-me-downs than they would've during the same period on live isn't really a balanced tradeoff. They - and by they I actually mean "we," given I only started at the end of April myself - are likely much farther behind on the whole than they were on live outside of whatever lucky giveaways happen to land on them.

Most those hand-me-downs you are so quick to discount make leveling 1 to 60 much much easier.

Most the items that are out of reach and unfairly held by the fat-cats are either pure vanity, or needed only at the top level of raiding.

I'd say you have it much better than someone 5 months in back in 2010.

[Taminy]

Wealth is relative. When, as you point out, veteran players have hundreds of thousands-to-millions of plat stocked up, amounts that then have an impact on market prices (as items which might otherwise be somewhat more reasonably priced are inflated, knowing that they're often being sold to alts of the aforementioned extremely rich players as opposed to actual new characters who don't have those kinds of resources), the fact that new players may get more hand-me-downs than they would've during the same period on live isn't really a balanced tradeoff. They - and by they I actually mean "we," given I only started at the end of April myself - are likely much farther behind on the whole than they were on live outside of whatever lucky giveaways happen to land on them.

My main is a warrior, on live just like here. I started on server launch. If you think hard to get wealthy player stuff is a pain and hand me downs are all you got I don't want to hear it. I leveled when banded and bronze were leet.

You get much better stuff as a lowbie. The weapons alone that you can easily afford are a massive upgrade. Yeah affording a fungi as a new player is not going to happen, but you don't need a fungi to level up.

[Thulghor]

My main is a warrior, on live just like here. I started on server launch. If you think hard to get wealthy player stuff is a pain and hand me downs are all you got I don't want to hear it. I leveled when banded and bronze were leet.

You get much better stuff as a lowbie. The weapons alone that you can easily afford are a massive upgrade. Yeah affording a fungi as a new player is not going to happen, but you don't need a fungi to level up.

Preach.

[Herp]

Vibrating Gauntlets.

It's like 200k platinum for +5 or 10 mana over free quest armor.

Cleric MR is already a joke, and WIS is capped.

[Shjade]

My main is a warrior, on live just like here. I started on server launch. If you think hard to get wealthy player stuff is a pain and hand me downs are all you got I don't want to hear it. I leveled when banded and bronze were leet.

You get much better stuff as a lowbie. The weapons alone that you can easily afford are a massive upgrade. Yeah affording a fungi as a new player is not going to happen, but you don't need a fungi to level up.

I didn't need anything to level up; I rolled a necromancer, expecting that I wouldn't have anything to level up but what I could afford on my own as I could afford it.

Four months later I can still only dream about affording a lot of things less expensive than a fungi.

It's not about leveling up.

[GinnasP99]

Slime blood of cazic thule

[Buhbuh]

on Red, Fingerbone Hoop is definitely one of the worst. Useful for fighting rogues, but bracer of the hidden is as useful in that regard/ an extra clickie for countering dispels, and it's an item that's less than half the price.

[kaev]

I didn't need anything to level up; I rolled a necromancer, expecting that I wouldn't have anything to level up but what I could afford on my own as I could afford it.

Four months later I can still only dream about affording a lot of things less expensive than a fungi.

It's not about leveling up.

Seriously? You chose to obsess XP over all else and now you're unhappy that your efforts have produced little besides gobs of XP? Do you even logic?

[azeth]

I'd say pre nerf fungi staff. I know its awesome but not millions of plat good.

You can buy pl to 60 for every class for millions of plat.

facepalm.jpg

[ArumTP]

Vibrating Gauntlets.

It's like 200k platinum for +5 or 10 mana over free quest armor.

Cleric MR is already a joke, and WIS is capped.

It's a near BiS item, and like wearing an epic on your hands. Same logic applied makes BCG's overpriced junk.

[zanderklocke]

It's a near BiS item, and like wearing an epic on your hands. Same logic applied makes BCG's overpriced junk.

RBG sort of bigger bang for buck than BCG, but when you got nothing left to spend platinum on, why not get the BCG.

[iruinedyourday]

I like this thread cus I imagine everyone is like these guys when they make objections or contributions:

http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Fonda,%20Henry/Annex/Annex%20-%20Fonda,%20Henry%20(12%20Angry%20Men)_03.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

also note, there are no women in that image either... :(

[Shjade]

Seriously? You chose to obsess XP over all else and now you're unhappy that your efforts have produced little besides gobs of XP? Do you even logic?

Since you asked about logic: where do I obsess about experience in that post? Taminy's the one who brought up leveling, remember?

Projection is a hell of a drug.

[kaev]

Since you asked about logic: where do I obsess about experience in that post? Taminy's the one who brought up leveling, remember?

Projection is a hell of a drug.

You said you made a necro specifically because of gear independence, and that levelling was not a problem. This rather plainly implies a focus on gaining XP thru solo play, so while "obsess" is maybe a bit of hyperbole it is justified IMO given your post and its context. If you want to get better gear you need to put time in making & helping friends, and/or put in time waiting for and holding loot camps you can solo, and/or put in time skilling and farming for tradeskills, and/or put in time playing EC tunnel trader. Note that all of these involve putting in time with acquisition of pp & items as a reward (the making/helping friends has better benefits than just loot.)

You've been focussed on XP, it's silly to complain that pp & gear didn't just fall into your lap as a consequence.

[Itap]

You said you made a necro specifically because of gear independence, and that levelling was not a problem. This rather plainly implies a focus on gaining XP thru solo play, so while "obsess" is maybe a bit of hyperbole it is justified IMO given your post and its context. If you want to get better gear you need to put time in making & helping friends, and/or put in time waiting for and holding loot camps you can solo, and/or put in time skilling and farming for tradeskills, and/or put in time playing EC tunnel trader. Note that all of these involve putting in time with acquisition of pp & items as a reward (the making/helping friends has better benefits than just loot.)

You've been focussed on XP, it's silly to complain that pp & gear didn't just fall into your lap as a consequence.


http://www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/tumblr_inline_niibp40hvv1s0597n.gif

[Shjade]

You've been focussed on XP, it's silly to complain that pp & gear didn't just fall into your lap as a consequence.

Again: the person who brought up the arduous nature of leveling and how it is alleviated by plat and gear...wasn't me. I responded to it, noting that it isn't my concern.

In other words, I stated the opposite of your assertion: I haven't been focused on experience. (If I had been, I'd be 60 by now, rather than cruising at an unhurried 53.)

But by all means, repeat yourself as if it's true so your friend can post some new-yet-tired "oh snap" .gif to provide the moral support you apparently require. Not sure how it's relevant to this thread, but you're clearly going to do it anyway.

[Waedawen]

Y'know some of these fucking winners with 1,500+ posts, without their character names readily accessible, are some really interesting people

[Safon]

I didn't need anything to level up; I rolled a necromancer, expecting that I wouldn't have anything to level up but what I could afford on my own as I could afford it.

Four months later I can still only dream about affording a lot of things less expensive than a fungi.

It's not about leveling up.

Just out of curiosity, what are the items you are wanting but can't afford?

[Celatus]

AON bar none

[Kalex716]

I imagine once you have everything you want in this game, the fun stops

[Shjade]

I imagine once you have everything you want in this game, the fun stops

That is true. Ever messed around on the GM server? It's fun for, oh, twenty minutes or so messing around with stuff, but not much to really go out and do at that point.

[Itap]

your friend

I don't even like Kaev, but a gif is necessary when you get dunked on like that. I would love to go back and quote your post but I don't have the time right now.

And you are too easily rustled, welcome to the internet

[Thugnuts]

Red druids be sitting at the WC rings like "Porting for donations!" and then I'm like, "Can you port me to Steamfont? I'm already standing next to you." and they all like "That's 150p minimum donation."

That's when I politely decline and write their name down on my hit list.

[boggartp99]

Red druids be sitting at the WC rings like "Porting for donations!" and then I'm like, "Can you port me to Steamfont? I'm already standing next to you." and they all like "That's 150p minimum donation."

That's when I politely decline and write their name down on my hit list.

Red sounds like the place to be.

[Swish]

Red druids be sitting at the WC rings like "Porting for donations!" and then I'm like, "Can you port me to Steamfont? I'm already standing next to you." and they all like "That's 150p minimum donation."

That's when I politely decline and write their name down on my hit list.

Never seen this happen, offer them 5 peridots and most druids will take you.

[kaev]

I don't even like Kaev, ...

Cuts me deep moriarty, cuts me deep :(

Wave of Healing remains the most over-priced pos on the server. You should pay someone to take that crap off your hands and carry it out to the dumpster. That stupid-assed cooldown ("ooooh, you can heal 200hp every third time the mob hits your group with a 300hp AE, awesome dood!") makes it useless as a heal, and nobody particularly needs to waste a spell gem on rarely useful agro spell in Velious content (people in your group have to be damaged for it to produce any agro.) If you want a long cooldown high agro spell Divine Favor casts far faster, is amazing agro, and you can hit the person who needs a few xtra HP even if they're not in group or not yet injured.