Aura of Battle & Flowing Thought

[Colgate]

has anyone figured out yet if these stack with other sources, and by flowing thought i mean do multiple instances of the same number stack?

[Vega]

Won't there only ever be flowing thought 1 on this server?

[Colgate]

no, there are FT2, FT3, and FT5 item(s) in this timeline

regardless, the question remains of whether multiple copies of the same FT effect will stack or not

[Sallan]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=934392&postcount=54

Seems like it starts with highest first:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Daldaen View Post
From my recollection, FT didn't function as "highest operates".

It functioned as "one of each operates".

So if you have 2 FT1 items, 1 FT2 item, and 1 FT3 item, you would have 6 FT total. Since only one of the FT1 items would take effect.

Same deal with regen I believe.
Was patched from highest, then to each, then stacking to 15. Dates have been posted in thread.

[Colgate]

do we know how it's currently functioning here?

[Daldaen]

Wasn't able to finish 10th ring war on beta so no.

Currently I don't believe anyone has 2 different FT items. In fact the only ones on the server right now are likely KT Head Boots. The Dozekar quests will take awhile yet to complete, same with the shawl cause it gets added later. Ring 10 rewards + Tunare/Vulak rares may take awhile to enter the game too.

[Efwan]

Aura of Battle effects do not stack. Not sure how the FT is working here. I assume like regeneration but not 100% on that until tested

[Man0warr]

How it should work for this server is highest FT item is the only one that works. Different FT values stacking didn't happen until later (when?), and 2 of the same FT value stacking later than that (beyond the timeline on this server I believe, probably not until Focus Effects in Luclin).

[Erati]

no, there are FT2, FT3, and FT5 item(s) in this timeline

regardless, the question remains of whether multiple copies of the same FT effect will stack or not

I thought FT3 Tunare Earring highest we will see

There shouldnt be any FT5.......

( btw Tunare shouldnt have loot either atm :P )

edit: nm I guess Tunare has both FT3 and FT5 items....I am pretty sure theres no way FT5 is part of Classic Velious that should not be on her table and its even very questionable what version of her loot table we should even be seeing atm

http://wiki.project1999.com/Essence_of_Nature

[Daldaen]

I thought FT3 Tunare Earring highest we will see

There shouldnt be any FT5.......

( btw Tunare shouldnt have loot either atm :P )

Essence of Nature off Tunare was a caster FT5 item. Dunno how classic that is though?

[Erati]

Essence of Nature off Tunare was a caster FT5 item. Dunno how classic that is though?

you need to research this - I highly doubt Ft5 or even Ft3 was a part of original Velious itemization before Luclin ( where FT and item effects took off )

[Ele]

Tunare info dump inc

Prior threads on Tunare's drops:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1150867
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181066
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125800

There is conclusive evidence that the following items were in game before Luclin, including FT3 and FT5.

This is difficult to determine exactly when Tunare became fully itemized, since she died for the first time in July 2001 (8+ months post release). She only dropped 2x Necro PoG Robes and a Blade of the Swarm (which is severely underwhelming) for her difficulty. Afterlife was the second guild to kill Tunare and that wasn't until October 13, 2001; however, she does appear to be holding a whip (Braid of Golden Hair) in the pictures, but Afterlife was not nice enough to identify the drops from their kill.

If I had to guess on a date, I would say July-August 2001, shortly after Fires of Heaven's first kill, since Furor threw a shit fit about the encounter.

These items were identified November 2001+ as new items probably due to the length of time between the first, second and subsequent kills, at least according to Alla's item updates on the front page (http://web.archive.org/web/20011129215936/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/).

Golden Leaf Earring (Nov. 14, 2001) (FT3 comment from Nov. 16 (http://web.archive.org/web/20020820111325/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=7026))
Braid of Golden Hair (Nov. 16, 2001)
Essence of Nature (Nov. 20, 2001) (Pre-Luclin posts claiming FT5 (http://web.archive.org/web/20011211203017/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=7043))
Massive Heartwood Thorn (Nov. 20, 2001)
Sap Encrusted Branch (Nov. 20, 2001)
Petrified Heartwood Flamberge (Nov. 20, 2001)




The next Archive.org capture of Tunare is August 10, 2002, and includes the 3 remaining items not identified in the first capture.

Nature's Melody
Fist of Nature
Girdle of Living Thorns

As to Fist of Nature -- Thread specific to FoN (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150097) -- earliest publicly announced drop was post-Luclin release. Thread goes into much more detail with item tables and theory of if it was actually on her drop table pre-Luclin, but the Hand-to-Hand and recommended level present conflicting information for that theory.

[Efwan]

How it should work for this server is highest FT item is the only one that works. Different FT values stacking didn't happen until later (when?), and 2 of the same FT value stacking later than that (beyond the timeline on this server I believe, probably not until Focus Effects in Luclin).

Uh no I don't think so.

[Erati]

Tunare info dump inc

<3 - was just looking up your posts

[Treats]

In the Trilogy client from August this is what it looks like:

Flowing Thought I
Increase Mana by 1 (L1)

Flowing Thought II
Increase Mana by 2 (L1)

Flowing Thought III
Increase Mana by 0 (L1)

Flowing Thought IV
Increase Mana by 0 (L1)

Flowing Thought V
Increase Mana by 5 (L1)

And the client only uses the highest version of flowing thought. <-- This is hardcoded

[Daldaen]

That would be such a troll if the Tunare FT3 Earring had FT3 it just generated 0 Mana...

[Ele]

The April 4, 2001 SPDAT file

has Flowing Thought III listed as increase mana by 3 (L1)

[Daldaen]

Okay that's what I thought... That would've been a huge mess up to have one of the FTs not actually do anything and just trick you into thinking it does

[Treats]

Flowing Thought I
Increase Mana by 1 (L1)

Flowing Thought II
Increase Mana by 2 (L1)

Flowing Thought III
Increase Mana by 0 (L1)

Flowing Thought IV
Increase Mana by 0 (L1)

Flowing Thought V
Increase Mana by 5 (L1)


^^

Thats from the August 22, 2001 spdat.

[Erati]

So at the very least it seems she shouldnt be dropping much of anything until we hit 3 months before 'Luclin' release on our time line

Those items she drops were most likely tuned for the Luclin expansion ( FT much more important as fights last even longer ) so I dunno her loot table doesnt really seem to fit our classic server as none of those items really ever existed on any classic timeline nor were they ever farmed like they probably will be here

something to consider- im sure im of the minority opinion on this

[Man0warr]

If they dropped 3 months before Luclin, they should drop here regardless.

Only reason she wasn't killed on Live for months between July and October is because she was buggy as hell.

Uh no I don't think so.

See Treats post - only highest FT item applies.

[Efwan]

If they dropped 3 months before Luclin, they should drop here regardless.

Only reason she wasn't killed on Live for months between July and October is because she was buggy as hell.



See Treats post - only highest FT item applies.


That shows no proof and it also says FT3 doesn't work which isn't true.

[Man0warr]

That shows no proof and it also says FT3 doesn't work which isn't true.

It didn't work at launch of Velious, because there were no items higher than FT2.

FT not stacking is hardcoded into the Velious client, there really isn't any debate here. Eventually they made it so FT1+FT2+FT3 could stack (so total of 6 mana regen) and then even later they made it so all FT could stack with each other up to 15.

[Erati]

If they dropped 3 months before Luclin, they should drop here regardless.


Sure - when we are closer to Luclin on our timeline but there is clear evidence she had no loot / PoG BPs as her loot for a long ass time

No one can definitively prove when her loot table got items that were actually really good - only 'Elvidence' shows sometime around those patches in Oct Ele points out around the time when the guild that killed Tunare was QQing about her loot

[Treats]

Flowing Thought isn't listed at all in the 2/28/2001 spdat

[Man0warr]

Sure - when we are closer to Luclin on our timeline but there is clear evidence she had no loot / PoG BPs as her loot for a long ass time

No one can definitively prove when her loot table got items that were actually really good - only 'Elvidence' shows sometime around those patches in Oct Ele points out around the time when the guild that killed Tunare was QQing about her loot

Sure, there is no evidence, but only because no one could kill her because she either fell through world or was disabled for months at a time while they tried to fix her.

Doesn't mean she didn't have some of those items on her drop table at start of Velious. There's no evidence of that either - 1 kill isn't enough data either way.

[Erati]

Sure, there is no evidence, but only because no one could kill her because she either fell through world or was disabled for months at a time while they tried to fix her.

Doesn't mean she didn't have some of those items on her drop table at start of Velious. There's no evidence of that either - 1 kill isn't enough data either way.

Yes - she was killed early in Velious and only dropped nothing/PoG BPs..

its in Ele's evidence - and no thats not just 'unlucky' to not see any of those ubar items when she died lol was a dif loot table added later

[Treats]

Sure, there is no evidence, but only because no one could kill her because she either fell through world or was disabled for months at a time while they tried to fix her.

Doesn't mean she didn't have some of those items on her drop table at start of Velious. There's no evidence of that either - 1 kill isn't enough data either way.

How is there no evidence when no Flowing Thought even exists in the 2/28/2001 spdat ????

[Man0warr]

How is there no evidence when no Flowing Thought even exists in the 2/28/2001 spdat ????

What are you talking about? We are talking about Tunare kills that happened in July 2001 and October 2001, no one brought up if FT existed in February.

To be clear: I'm not arguing that Tunare's FT items should be dropping as of now in the timeline (Velious launch), but they COULD have been dropping in July 2001 of the timeline (or added at any point between May and October) - we just don't know because no one was killing her and she was constantly being worked on by Verant.

[derpcake]

iirc raw atk from buffs / gear should be capped at 250

[derpcake]

Aura of Battle effects do not stack. Not sure how the FT is working here. I assume like regeneration but not 100% on that until tested

the clicky aob should stack with worn

[Scryll]

the clicky aob should stack with worn

Aura of battle (worn) stacks with other AoB (worn), but you can only have 1 clicked effect on.

[Colgate]

tested aura of battle on red99 today, multiple worn sources were stacking

[Scryll]

tested aura of battle on red99 today, multiple worn sources were stacking

Yup, thats how it was on live. So shits classic.

[Efwan]

the clicky aob should stack with worn

Yes but the worns shouldn't be stacking sorry I didn't clarify

[Nirgon]

Worn AOB should be stacking and allow 1 instance of clicked from shield of fearsome (only thing I know with a click)

FT should just use the highest you have equipped and not stack at all (yes, I play a caster and want classic)

[pingpong]

Worn AOB should be stacking and allow 1 instance of clicked from shield of fearsome (only thing I know with a click)

FT should just use the highest you have equipped and not stack at all (yes, I play a caster and want classic)

evidence?

[Daldaen]

evidence?

EQClerics June 2001 (http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3896&highlight=Aura+battle)

Aura of Battle stacks and comes in many flavors such as:

Fearsome Shield - Dracoliche
Belt of Dorf Slaying - Dain
Chestplate of Vindication - Vindicator
Pauldrons of Ferocity - Cazic

So that you don't stack Aura of Battle items until you have mega ATK (go clerics!), some items have a right click effect like the Fearsome shield. You can only have one Aura of Battle right click buff.

Alendora
Talisman, Tunare www.talismanguild.org

If you disagree with in era evidence, post your counter evidence.

[Ele]

evidence?

If you want to read up on Flowing Thought stacking issues, you can go through this thread that turned into a debate over people's fallible memories.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79881

[Erati]

bump

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2039513#post2039513

could use more people testing/chiming in

[Colgate]

when lendiniara spawns this week, empire will have a cleric with two separate flowing thought effects

will report back with results

[Michael Cera]

when lendiniara spawns this week, empire will have a cleric with two separate flowing thought effects

will report back with results

please hurry im dying to see the results