Dear "wipe it clean" nerds

[Sirken]

srs question,

why do you think that a new pvp server would end up any different than the current pvp server after a year?

(this is not in RNF for a reason. if you dont have anything to contribute, don't post here)

<3
Sirks

[minakto]

They're stupid and think this is the same as VZTZ.

Ignore/ban them King Sirken, lord of the Andals.

[Malevz]

Short answer, it wouldnt

[SamwiseRed]

A new FFA server wouldn’t end up any different but the first few months to a year would be fun as hell :) Classic = pvp everywhere. Love it.

A hard-coded 3 faction teams server like Sullon Zek MAAAY have a chance but probably not. When the majority of the player-base is here to raid uncontested dragons instead of pvp, eventually we are going to have the same outcome. One massive winning guild. We are in an age where gamers expect everything to be handed to them with little work. This has been proven time and time again as brand new players app to the winning guild almost before they even create a character. Sirken, the one thing we need for this or any pvp server to be successful are players who want to actually PvP. Halp!

Source - Server History

[HippoNipple]

srs question,

why do you think that a new pvp server would end up any different than the current pvp server after a year?

(this is not in RNF for a reason. if you dont have anything to contribute, don't post here)

<3
Sirks


People love classic zones and PvP on a fresh server. After a few years the servers need a reset to make it interesting.

The debate has been going on for years on this server now and the solution I like the best is a new server that eventually merges into the current red99 server. This way there is always a fresh server opening every 2 years without there being an actual wipe.

Classic - 1 year
Kunark - 1 year
Merge with red99 Velious

Start 2nd server over again.

[DRAGONBAIT]

i think the wipe it clean peeps are mostly trolls, and im not trolling here : ) ( i use it to troll when people says this is not laike classic was ) anyway a fresh start its always nice from a newcomer perspective so i find it normal if people ask for wipes. we already know it wont happen dont we?

[Fame]

probably

1.)the absence of years of time farming helping to curb the edge of starting from scratch

2.) the excitement that always comes with a new MMO server

3.) mana stones

[HippoNipple]

I also think this would be a great way to bring new players to project 1999 since the Everquest community would hear about it. Every 2 years you probably attract some new people excited about the fresh start that may stick around.

[Kaahbal]

Im just a casual player, but ive followed this community and these forums since red's release.

In my opinion most of the members of the zerg dont even like eachother, and only stick together for the sake of the pixelflow. a fresh start would give these people a chance to break apart, and a few of them would learn an important lesson about RMT when they see that pixels can go away.

Alot of the people that could acctually do anything creative when it comes to guild management and a healthy level of competition are just to tired of trying by now i guess.

Red99 is currently in a stalemate, and acts mostly like the "Legends Server" on LIVE where people would transfer to server and all raid together for pixels to later come back to their server and whip phats in the face of people leveling up.

Generally i dont support wipes, and i dont consider myself active enough to have a say on the matter, but this server is never gonna be what it had potential to be, unless shit starts over.

bottom line, people are really bad at enjoying eachothers competition, at the end of the day we are all nostalgic nerds enjoying what we consider to be the "greatest mmo of all time". We can do this in a way more mature way than current setup.

[Strange]

i played on VZTZ and got burnt out from the wipes of having to level up all over again and re-camp items..

instead of a wipe,maybe in the future you can do something like lock everyones toons for a certain amount of time and people will play from level 1s with no money or items..

but even this would not help the cry babies from getting owned with no resists from pals in TS with gank squads..

[Humerox]

So here it is. Red will lose ~100 actives temporarily and gain 500+ from blue and Reddit since P99 is now legit and the beta is pretty much done.

Win/win.

Peace.

[bubur]

disable raid bosses

award loot for leaderboard position

[Strange]

I also think this would be a great way to bring new players to project 1999 since the Everquest community would hear about it. Every 2 years you probably attract some new people excited about the fresh start that may stick around.

wipes would always get a high population at first, then it dies off quick,and never lasts..

so id say a wipe would not increase the population because if you know about red99 and you are not playing,chances are you would not stick around after the wipe thrill/rush.

you would probably have more people quit if anything if all their hard work was wiped after being promised it wouldnt be.

[Fame]

I did some extensive blue to red recruiting before it was cool, as consequence I ended up getting a shit load of tells and input from new to red players over the years. One of the more common opinions was that starting years after the server was released was a huge turn off for a lot of new potential players.

When they did eventually quit, that was almost always the reason given.

[SamwiseRed]

wipes would always get a high population at first, then it dies off quick,and never lasts..

so id say a wipe would not increase the population because if you know about red99 and you are not playing,chances are you would not stick around after the wipe thrill/rush.

you would probably have more people quit if anything if all their hard work was wiped after being promised it wouldnt be.

:o

[DRAGONBAIT]

solution is not a wipe, it could change anything or it could change everything. Its up to the people really but im wondering what would happen if we wipe it now and we have TMO guys having a clean competition with the red nerds, i think people also learns from mistakes.

Im sure EVERYONE who plays red, even someone who would lost a bis character would enjoy much more the server, theyre time spent playing, and maybe with some fun pvp going on etc we can create a different culture for the server, as it stands right now u cant really change the culture its been going for the past 4 years.

my 2 cents, anyway wipe it clean wont happen so we can only troll with it

[Malevz]

The idea of a second pvp server that merges with the first after X amount of time would be good. Wiping a server alienates your core players, in the hopes of new people, and old players who are too sick too quit.

[Jazzy]

classic is the greatest.

Would <3 a classic only server, for reals

[Strange]

did salty not launch a fresh server and it was super dead ?

[XiakenjaTZ]

The only reason I think it would help population is if you made it "Purple99".

Some form of teams so casual folks could could feel safe some places and know they won't be PvPed by everyone they meet.

I don't want a wipe.

[SamwiseRed]

I am not for a wipe. I seriously think it would lead to a few suicides. I do hope you guys give us an actual pvp server though, preferably hard-coded teams :D

[Malevz]

classic is the greatest.

Would <3 a classic only server, for reals

We did classic on red. It was down to 10-20 or less during prime time before kunark. It's fun but it gets stale. If classic only was a good option why did no one play?

[SamwiseRed]

We did classic on red. It was down to 10-20 or less during prime time before kunark. It's fun but it gets stale. If classic only was a good option why did no one play?

Gee I wonder. Same guild situation we have now. No XP bonus, no pnp, XP loss on pvp death, broken clickies, broken resists, No GMs, no Kithicor... I could go on.

Despite all that though, it was still easier to find PvP during peak hours lol.

[Eslade]

a new pvp server that eventually merges once it hits velious seems like the best option imo

[Jimjam]

srs question,

why do you think that a new pvp server would end up any different than the current pvp server after a year?

(this is not in RNF for a reason. if you dont have anything to contribute, don't post here)

<3
Sirks

I'd be interested to see how a pvp server locked before planes does (maybe even starting post manastone/guise too).

And by planes I mean fear/hate/sky, not planes of power.

[Stasis01]

Sirken, have you seen anyone from Empire ask for a wipe, how about Nihi before that.

It's a troll used by people who aren't winning and think it will change things.

Velious has only been out a week you need to wait and see if a second guild will form up and take Kunark or will it just be farmed by 18 <Friends> and boxes which is possible.

Having a 2nd box merge into this box would probably not work, if you add velious it undermines farming shit on Red99, and if you don't the guild that merges will only be in kunark shit and will get destroyed.

[Fame]

The wipe is a def no go area, let this server be what it is, a refuge for easy raiding.

Take PvP to the next level with a fresh server with the rules that we had in place while the server grew recently (6-8 months ago??). Sadly, this mean PnP, ect. I don't personally like those rules but they did help the server grow, I can easily put aside my own views for a chance at trying something different.

[SamwiseRed]

Yup no one is asking for a wipe. Just let this server remain a raiding box, hell it can probably just replace the test server as you have one guild constantly killing raid mobs over and over. They will do a great job finding all the bugs. Another win win situation. Nilly gets to keep raiding uncontested and the pvpers will have a box to duke it out in. Just make the new box hard-coded teams plz!

[daasgoot]

i only support a wipe because i think it would be fun as hell for everyone to restart noobs and play on classic timeline through velious

in regards to populations, server health, etc etc etc.. i have no clue, i would guess some people that care way to much about pixels would have a mental breakdown and quit.

[HippoNipple]

wipes would always get a high population at first, then it dies off quick,and never lasts..

so id say a wipe would not increase the population because if you know about red99 and you are not playing,chances are you would not stick around after the wipe thrill/rush.

you would probably have more people quit if anything if all their hard work was wiped after being promised it wouldnt be.

I don't support a wipe.

I said use the free server as a new PvP server and have it merge into the current sever every 2 years. That way you get to keep your characters while still giving people a fresh start every 2 years.

[Fame]

I'm not even sure about the merger tbh, seems like a headache. The server would probably be better off with remaining as is. I don't see much harm coming to the project or the red and blue servers if another option was available.

The PvP Teams model would be great for expanding the pvp community. The players on red would come to check it out and so would the blues, without 5 years of farming the playing field would be realativley level with an obvious advantage going to the pvpers who are familiar with the mechanincs but in a hard-coded team environment the new players from blue would have less of a hill to climb to get involved and become invested.

A year or so in, entry would be a bit of a shit show but that is already the case with both servers and additionally the same scenario you will be faced with when entering any MMO post launch/exansion.

[Fame]

The sister-server to merger thing is a pretty good idea too but without time for velious we would still just have boat loads of plebs showing up on the shores of a famine stricken BiS winter wasteland. Don't see that working out for anyone but the batters.

[Riotgirl]

I don't support a wipe.

I said use the free server as a new PvP server and have it merge into the current sever every 2 years. That way you get to keep your characters while still giving people a fresh start every 2 years.

I like this idea. I too, although I don't play on Red as I dislike EQ PvP mechanics, dislike wiping. However, brand new PvP server with a server specific rule-set could tempt me.

Why? The rot is too far gone on current Red in terms of RMTing, and other dubious methods that players have employed to obtain pixels. Fresh new server with a light rules but heavy GM enforcement.

I don't like PnP, and would even prefer PK level restrictions removed. Let players enforce their own rules. That said, any transgression by way of RMTing, item duping, exploiting, etc be met with perm bans on server on which transgression occurred.

[HippoNipple]

The sister-server to merger thing is a pretty good idea too but without time for velious we would still just have boat loads of plebs showing up on the shores of a famine stricken BiS winter wasteland. Don't see that working out for anyone but the batters.

Well, 8 months in each expansion would be an easy fix if you wanted to include Velious.

I imagine 2 years from now the server merge would actually produce a competitive guild to go up against whatever was left on Red99 at that time.

Some pretty strong bonds forming from complete isolation from the other server may reduce guild hoping like it is on Red99.

[Fame]

Yeah, that 8 month idea is a good one for sure, I like that idea of a ready to contest guild coming out of the wood mill every 2 years, would keep it interesting. Hope staff is reading that idea pal.

[hammbone]

Item loot can keep things in balance while making reputation, friendship, and behavior matter.

Launch a Firona Vie-style (no drop item flags removed) PvP progression server with item loot.

[Ragnaros]

Serious answer here Sirken,
We discussed this awhile back and its clear the staff really doesn't care about reds state of competition. A new box/server would mean that people that were perma banned get a new start there correct? More communitites and guilds would play there. Derubael literally banned a whole community of players and gave the platter to another community who did the same thing but worse, you banned the only beards on the server that could compete with these beards. If there was a new server it is very doubtful holocaust would leave this box because they know that they wouldn't be on top and given the #1 spot as they had been here.

[SHOWITME]

If there was a new server it is very doubtful holocaust would leave this box because they know that they wouldn't be on top and given the #1 spot as they had been here.

[Efwan]

The idea of a second pvp server that merges with the first after X amount of time would be good. Wiping a server alienates your core players, in the hopes of new people, and old players who are too sick too quit.

+1


And of course empire is going to troll this thread/say no to a wipe/new server lol. They have no reason not to, no competition popping up yet. Someone said earlier that population always starts high then dies, that literally happened with this server due to a cutthroat guild at the top, seems like this could be happening again. Maybe seriously reconsider some of these options in a month or two from now when pop is 150-200 at peak with 100 of those being empire.

[hammbone]

Item loot can keep things in balance while making reputation, friendship, and behavior matter.

Launch a Firona Vie-style (no drop item flags removed) PvP progression server with item loot.

^^^

[Ragnaros]

The idea of a second pvp server that merges with the first after X amount of time would be good. Wiping a server alienates your core players, in the hopes of new people, and old players who are too sick too quit.

yaw developing staff doesn't care about the pvp servers though its pretty clear

[Gnomegrown2]

most of you guys post like he is going to read your responses

[Samsung]

Unban accounts Derubael banned since he's been confirmed dirty by the higher ups. Derubael with all the good things he's done has also hurt this community. He's literally banned me the second time for giving away items to players. You will hear less of these wipe it clean issues if players that got screwed by Derubael gets there hard earned items/ accounts back.

[Quiet]

I dont see how anyone can believe red isnt currently a teams server.
You have team 1. ( Empire. ) Easily identified. The "evils" of sullon zek. Majority of players, raid mobs and neck beards.
You have Azrael / Good guys / whatever they call themselves. The neutrals. Also easily identified. They run around trying to cause a muck but are unable to go toe to toe.
The goods = everyone else.

Does anyone seriously think wiping a whole server would change that? Hardcode the teams to race, everyone will be that race who is winning. Hardcode it to diety, same. Hardcode it to whatever u want. People are going to overload one side, no way around it.

The failure was all the self absorbed idiots who didn't think of this plan first. Empire / Holo started with a core of 15-20 (just like azrael) and instead of being selfish loot-whore fucks they invited everyone (was Azrael's invite commands broken?) Why didn't any other guild just invite everyone, anyone. Instead they tried to stick to Elitist, their core of fucks were morons and they were never able to create the same environment. Now every guild they touch turns to dust.

I don't feel a single moment of sympathy for whiners. You guys are ruining the server, not Empire. TMO with this brilliant idea of sure day 1 we will get Velious pixels. Lol. I remember on TZ if PDM was in a zone raiding, you didn't go there, you had to wait until they left, then maybe u sneak in get a few kills. Once again people and their sense of entitlement to items and fairness. You show me any solution regarding wiping, coding, blah blah and i'll show you at least 1 - 5 easy ways around it.

Debate over.

[Rushmore]

Velious has only been out a week you need to wait and see if a second guild will form up and take Kunark or will it just be farmed by 18 <Friends> and boxes which is possible.


Nope not possible <Friends> would rather kill weak players instead of fighting Empire.

This server had a chance but again Lite, Vapo, Mirkuls, Salem, Jibeknn and probably a few more that I can't name couldn't play together TO unseat Empire. Now 20 people that could have been the core of GG's are now in Empire. And w/pixel packages aren't going back now.

Empire just keeps on recruiting!

And Sirken if you want to see any change the chance this box has is if you free Nizzar! So somehow magical powers can collide and they would have a chance!

Would be interesting!

[hammbone]

ITEM LOOT SERVER

[heartbrand]

The exact same thing will happen on every Red FFA server in EQ without massive custom rule implementations such as rotations, instances, tokens for raid mobs, etc.

People pretend EQ is some elite PvP game but the fact is the majority of your time in EQ is spent PvEing. The actual time spent PvPing makes up maybe 5% of Red99, or any sub 800 pop server. PvPing is annoying in EQ. There's no reward for it other than getting to boast about your victory, losing is incredibly painful typically, and it usually is a net loss for both people to engage in PvP. PvP is an annoyance in EQ. That's why it's not surprising that most people would rather team up and play together and avoid PvP interaction the majority of the time.

I don't think I'd ever reroll in the near future if it was wiped to play on another FFA PvP server in classic and kunark. To be honest I don't want to ever zone into Karnor's Castle / Sebilis or Dreadlands again for at least 5+ years.

Thanks.

[Quiet]

The exact same thing will happen on every Red FFA server in EQ without massive custom rule implementations such as rotations, instances, tokens for raid mobs, etc.

People pretend EQ is some elite PvP game but the fact is the majority of your time in EQ is spent PvEing. The actual time spent PvPing makes up maybe 5% of Red99, or any sub 800 pop server. PvPing is annoying in EQ. There's no reward for it other than getting to boast about your victory, losing is incredibly painful typically, and it usually is a net loss for both people to engage in PvP. PvP is an annoyance in EQ. That's why it's not surprising that most people would rather team up and play together and avoid PvP interaction the majority of the time.

I don't think I'd ever reroll in the near future if it was wiped to play on another FFA PvP server in classic and kunark. To be honest I don't want to ever zone into Karnor's Castle / Sebilis or Dreadlands again for at least 5+ years.

Thanks.

I agree with all this. The net loss of and annoyance of pvp is exactly what makes it lacking in fun. Its why people plug to avoid CRs, plat loss, item loss if there was any. WoW and every game since have went pretty hard to remove the majority of the annoyance of pvp and therefore they had 10x the number of pvp servers and willing pvp players.

[lethdar]

Server resets are the only way to breath fresh air into a stagnant server. During the time that Red99 has been up there were how many, 5? iterations of guildwars / vztz servers. All except two had different top guilds after the wipe (and vztz2.0 likely would have as well if the server wasn't blown up right after kunark release).

The best times of the server is in the initial fray right after release. Poopboxers who blow at pvp but can show up like zombies to raids get smoked. Good players who enjoy pvp can take part in the bloodbath that is a fresh server start and people who have quit for years come back at the prospects on not having to farm venril sathir and trakanon 1000 times to compete.

It's basically the entire reason why eqemu pvp servers came out, the zeks ran their course and wound up with the one dominant guild and stagnation so people would roll on emu servers to experience new server fun.

No troll bros

[Snapple]

Don't wipe anything - just open up a new pvp server already. Aint no saving the old one.

[Malevz]

Not trying to be a dick, but I always thought they people who wanted a wipe were the ones doing the RMTing/boxing. Figured there would be more money in it with newer servers.

[lethdar]

It would be way more fun to have that scramble to 50 and chasing other guilds out of sol b / guk without the abuse of root nets and wands that cheapened the server's initial roll out

[Malevz]

I agree with this poster:

02-09-2014, 11:39 AM
"Most guilds give up trying to contest Nihilum. This is explained to devs in and out repeatedly by persistent annoying people like me, with no action taken for a year+ to correct the situation, leading to a scenario where its basically join Nihilum or dont see end game content. Nihilum then gets a year+ of gearing up free lunch uncontested because of the ruleset."

Nothing will ever change here, Nihilum will always dominate.

[hammbone]

ITEM LOOT SERVER PLZ

[aGenda]

Really glad to see the staff considering wiping or opening a new parallel pvp server, possibly with a hard-coded teams ruleset. Should be popular and will be a lot of fun.

[lethdar]

I really don't see how most people who played the box since the start can consider any time other than the initial ~6 months the best time in the server's history. Fights over manastone camps, tranix, guises every day. Guilds blowing up / merging / disintegrating left and right, alliances formed, relatively even competition at the top with dragons going down to both sides. Who knows how it would have ended up with GM intervention didn't result in the banning on one side of the competition.

PS, let's remember the last good video Smedy produced, fitting for this occasion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kJXGKRSSmQ

[heartbrand]

It's interesting to me that the so-called hardcore pvpers who cry for wipes do nothing to show up and disrupt our raids which are literally at zone lines that would be easy as fuck to storm. Sure, they might die, but then they can call LNS and casually stroll in and loot in our faces. They don't do this because they are too pussy to take YT for EQ Elf Sim Ego. They'd rather backstab nakeds who pop up @ dumb bind points during raids.

/yawn

[SHOWITME]

I really don't see how most people who played the box since the start can consider any time other than the initial ~6 months the best time in the server's history. Fights over manastone camps, tranix, guises every day. Guilds blowing up / merging / disintegrating left and right, alliances formed, relatively even competition at the top with dragons going down to both sides. Who knows how it would have ended up with GM intervention didn't result in the banning on one side of the competition.

PS, let's remember the last good video Smedy produced, fitting for this occasion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kJXGKRSSmQ

best video of all time

[SamwiseRed]

It's interesting to me that the so-called hardcore pvpers who cry for wipes do nothing to show up and disrupt our raids which are literally at zone lines that would be easy as fuck to storm. Sure, they might die, but then they can call LNS and casually stroll in and loot in our faces. They don't do this because they are too pussy to take YT for EQ Elf Sim Ego. They'd rather backstab nakeds who pop up @ dumb bind points during raids.

/yawn

To be fair, you hid in a tree during a hm pvp event. Love ya tho

[ducktv]

coming from vz/tz I support a wipe. because that's what I'm used to when one guild completely dominates the competition or rather lack thereof.

[heartbrand]

To be fair, you hid in a tree during a hm pvp event. Love ya tho

it was a FFA with chance @ what we thought might be an AoN. damn right I hid in a fuckin tree while bards in an outdoor zone were there.

[SamwiseRed]

No hardcore pvpers left on the bix. Just raiders, griefers, and weirdos

[SamwiseRed]

it was a FFA with chance @ what we thought might be an AoN. damn right I hid in a fuckin tree while bards in an outdoor zone were there.

Good point. The screens hot still makes me laugh though

[Kevris]

What has happened here has happened before, and will happen again no matter how many times it is reset.

If you want EQ PVP to work, you need to change the base rules and do so without changing the spirit. Some suggestions:

Cap guilds at 18 members (three groups), forcing ever-shifting alliances/backstabbing/politics/drama/hilarity

Upon reaching level 46 in classic, (55+ post Kunark), character erasure after X number of deaths from either raid mobs or PVP. If you die in Sebilis to frogs, it doesn't count. If you die in Sebilis to Trak, it's a strike. If you die in Hate period, it's a strike. If you are PK'ed, it's a strike. If you act like a douche, engage Trak, realize the guild is wiping and try to run out to die to frogs, you get banned for cheating.

Server wipe/reset after x number of months or upon the death of X raid mob (this is still going to lead to stagnation, but at least delay the inevitable and keep things fresh.)

One character per account, per IP address, per CPUID (not sure if you guys can pull CPUID from the clients that connect, but that would be cool if you can), or whatever you can do to restrict people to one character on the server

Leave the itemization as it is, don't mess with item loot, don't mess with teams...none of that is going to make a difference, don't waste time on a Sullon Zek ruleset. It didn't 10 years ago, why will it now?

Try something totally new, totally fresh.

[Champion_Standing]

Well if you want to just look at the end result you won't really see the point of a fresh server, yes the same people that can play 16 hours + a day will end up on top and the same guilds that exist now will probably reform and be in their exact same positions.

It's about the journey tho and the environment in which it takes place IMO. A fresh server would first off bring in some more players which I think everyone wants, a fresh server does create a more level playing field or at least a feeling of a more level playing field for the majority of the players in the short term. People are more likely to stick around if they feel like they have a chance, and they are more likely to invest more of their time and energy into the game and server as well.

The first month alone with everyone running around in rags would be more fun than I could have in years of playing on the servers in their current states.

There are also plenty of other reasons completely unrelated to feels. How many exploits have been patched since red launched? How many plat dupes? I know we will never get the answer but that is something to take into consideration.

[hammbone]

wrong - item loot is the only way to go

[SHOWITME]

i think item loot would be horrible for server population

[heartbrand]

item loot means everyone is hugging zone lines with gate pots.


wait we have that even without item loot LOL


plz 2 make discord box

[ducktv]

i think item loot would be horrible for server population

at least no one would run around with their aon anymore.

[georgie]

It's not fair to start a server with classic xp and then when you realize the pop dropped by half, increase it.

[Fame]

vote in the poll for science

[georgie]

Item loot will change the way of pvp it'll be a wizard fest. And I think will even hinder pvp. Although I did enjoy bagging my items

[hammbone]

Item loot will change the way of pvp it'll be a wizard fest. And I think will even hinder pvp. Although I did enjoy bagging my items

anyone can level a wizard. a group of wizards would be able to take out anyone. if buttholes make the whole server mad at them, expect that butthole to get ramrod.

[this user was banned]

Permadeath will save the server

[Ragnaros]

open a new server
leave red up
merge into red later on

[Seltius]

From someone new to this servers perspective.

I think a wipe would put everyone on even footing and might attract new people due to that reason. There is a strong instinct against playing on a server where you really only have 1 choice or direction and this server is at the point where there is no way to get an infusion of players large enough to really compete with the loot train. At the same time pvp of a small group vs the hordes doesnt work well and also turns off new players.

At the same time it would suck to see players hard work from the past 4 years suddenly wiped clean but if they are the only ones left on the server then there really isn't much of a reason to leave it open to new players and the pop probably wont grow that much if at all.

Personally I am on the fence because a wipe would level the field and some of the players relying strictly on gear and numbers wouldnt be nearly as toxic if they had to fear getting their faces pushed in by other players. But I like the challenge and enjoy learning new things so the PVP here isnt nearly as bad to me as maybe someone else. I expect to get stomped while learning and gearing.

I do question if there would really be any change to the server if it were wiped clean would still have the same people and the same lack of GM presence unless more than just the server status changed.

Personally id like to see more GM presence with neutral GMs that have no ties to one faction or another than see a wipe. And no Sirken I am not making accusations or anything else like ive heard here I just think there are better directions to go with this server than a server wipe. You guys have the potential here to keep doing a great thing. Not that you havent already accomplished something great there is just a chance to keep it going.

[lethdar]

Basically sister server is the optimal solution. No need for random weird rules / teams and item loot nonsense.

People who play for pvp / competition get the ideal scenario. Bluebies on both of the current servers who lust for a server to raid on can try to rise to the top or fail. After a few years when the dust has settled and its reached a similar stagnant state to the current red server, merge it in and begin anew.

[Ragnaros]

Basically sister server is the optimal solution. No need for random weird rules / teams and item loot nonsense.

People who play for pvp / competition get the ideal scenario. Bluebies on both of the current servers who lust for a server to raid on can try to rise to the top or fail. After a few years when the dust has settled and its reached a similar stagnant state to the current red server, merge it in and begin anew.

[Kesrin]

Hunting down a lvl 10 aimchat group with my pals Dirmit Jah Andain Willy and Salem all being lvl 10 would be quite fun.

The server is meant to be fun ya?

[daasgoot]

problem with sister server is splitting an already low pop

[hammbone]

Item loot = thriving
Players police themselves
d-bag toxic bastards get shit on errday, will be forced to pvp almost naked

[Tradesonred]

srs question,

why do you think that a new pvp server would end up any different than the current pvp server after a year?

(this is not in RNF for a reason. if you dont have anything to contribute, don't post here)

<3
Sirks

LOL classy, right off the bat call people with opposing viewpoints nerds, and then warn them this isnt RnF. Even if youd wipe now, most people who wouldve given red a chance by now understand what kind of established core resides here. If youd wipe, itd probably just be that core again and a couple more folks. The window of opportunity to wipe was before Kunark, and that is long gone. I dont think there would be enough critical mass to get another server going now. People just didnt have time to get settled on server, create multiple guild oppositions with xp loss in pvp griefing them the fuck out.

This is what went wrong with server as i dont care to retype or update

http://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-138880.html

Staff basically watched as holo depopulated server and reacted way too late. If youd have reacted early, server might be 800+ or not, well never know. But it was at 600 starting out. Lots of these people will never come back. Maybe it wasnt all misdirection and just lack of resources to keep tabs on what was going on, maybe my expectations were too high. Still people bitched and complained for the longest time about problems on red and it took forever for staff to react. By then pop was drained the fuck out and server never recuperated from that bonsai start.

If the toxic elements didnt have the means to establish their dominance on the server for such a long time during the early years of server, then a chance would have existed for them to be weeded out by other groups of people. If it wouldnt have been such "fun" to watch the server population drop as you bind camp people, 10vs2 them repeatedly with xp backlog then you might have attracted different kinds of players. But hey this isnt COD so what the fuck do i know.

[georgie]

Too bad they removed classic xp after it dunked half the server

[Tradesonred]

I agree with this poster:

02-09-2014, 11:39 AM
"Most guilds give up trying to contest Nihilum. This is explained to devs in and out repeatedly by persistent annoying people like me, with no action taken for a year+ to correct the situation, leading to a scenario where its basically join Nihilum or dont see end game content. Nihilum then gets a year+ of gearing up free lunch uncontested because of the ruleset."

Nothing will ever change here, Nihilum will always dominate.

I mean Nihilum was just doing what empire is doing now, cept they didnt have that much of a gear gap, it was all about numbers and people not wanting that xp loss. Like i said, server is done because you cant re-create 2011 conditions. I dont think the motivation is there 4 years later to start over and hope that it will turn out different. It was staff responsability to reboot the server early when it was still time.

[hammbone]

You cant treat EQ like an FPS game. You need to have RISK/REWARD. The point of item loot isn't to be an FPS game... it's risk/reward.. d-bags get their shit pushed in

[Telron]

Wipe and lock at classic. Game world too big to facilitate meaningful pvp with a 200-300 pop. This is a PVP server not a progression server. Let those nerds play blue.

I think the past several years have shown that only 15% of the population gives a shit about PVP and we are not ever likely to get more than 300 avg players. Spread that over 2 expansions and your not gonna see alot of PVP.

[HarrisonDeliSlicer]

I'm a wipe it clean nerd.

[vouss]

Yeah a nice hard coded teams box to duke it out on with people I can't fight because hard coded teams, PASS

Que up that /duel

[Snapple]

http://i.imgur.com/yK5QWdK.gif

[Bokke]

I sincerely think that a teams server would flop, and I wouldn't play on it unless it had a discord team.

I think the main boon of having a new FFA server though would be the clearing of the massive wealth build up, the cleaning of 3 years of Kunark and RMT, etc. It's a fresh start and after 5 years maybe it would end up the same but those five years would probably be a lot of fun.

If it was advertised that a new server was starting and following the classic timeline im sure new people would come play.

edit: there's also been a lot of patching and hard work put into fixing bugs and all that sort of stuff. The effect on the game from that may be small or large but it would be nice to consider red99 a 'beta' and start it over again.

[hammbone]

I think classic timeline would suck - just do progression, FFA PVP, Item LOOT, and remove the nodrop flag from all items in game

[DRAGONBAIT]

now that p1999 is official i tell u announce a new classic server is coming and u announce on the right forums, now that u can, and u get tons of people. people who can donate...( devs there? xdd j/k )

[jestingoff02]

srs question,

why do you think that a new pvp server would end up any different than the current pvp server after a year?


<3
Sirks

First off I want to say I have had a ton of fun playing on this server, I like the community and the ffa. During kunark a dominant guild (nihilum) didn't really matter the gear gap diddnt really matter, this made it fun. You diddnt need to spend hours apon hours apon hours raiding with 50+ people to still have good pvp. Now that velious has dropped I think the people who don't want to play in the zerg on matters of principle are 100% screwed from now on. Give it a month and empire monks are going to be in killable short of mass wizard attack. If you not in empire you lost. This is no fun, its a pvp server I and many others play here for a highly competitive experience.

Empire won, period. Make a new rotating server 8 mo in each expansion or whatever timeline you want. Reds pop might drop and only empire might hang around but soon that huge guild will break up and there will be comparison on red. Or they won't and the new server might have there own zerg guild.... Good at least when they merge there will be competition. All I'm saying velious is not means to an end, it is the end. Bring back fun pvp. If people don't want to start over on a level playing field so be it stay on red. Who cares, we are red players and we want pvp. Feed us!

[Zlain]

Why wipe? New hard coded teams server. I don't care either way(wipe/no wipe/new server/no new server), Ultimately i'm an unguilded/unaligned casual that plays when his brother and a rl friend are around. The only thing we thought would make this shit better was a hard coded teams pvp server. Especially if it started as progression.

[hammbone]

1. hard coded teams will be no different then it is now
2. EQ is not a FPS game nor was it designed for PVP
3. The only way to counter a character's progression is through exp and item loss
4. Once level 60, the only way to counter a character's progression is through item loss
5. Item loss promotes PvP
6. you are not going to EVER be able to really counter numbers (zerg)
7. Item loss would have allowed Azrael, Good Guys, etc. to drain the gear of Empire...
8. The draining of gear will always occur, which is balance.
9. If all else fails, buddy up and make a bunch of wizards to start picking people off.

[Macdeth]

It will end up the same, but the journey to the current stale shithole would be exciting again. Off the top of my head:

Level 5 pvp against other people in level 5 gear.
It will promote the social aspect of the game with everyone rushing to get levels. Contesting will be a part of the server, and it will be pretty even-footed for at least a few weeks.
RMT crowd will get fisted.


I can't say I have ever advocated for a wipe, but I just convinced myself.

[Malevz]

Wipe would mean old players would leave, except the most addicted, and you would get some new from blue, and from outside. They would clash with the sick people who couldn't quit, and you'd end up with a few people left. Oh and there would be complaining, will always be plenty of that.

[HippoNipple]

problem with sister server is splitting an already low pop

It's split up anyways, the world is so big 300 ppl spread out through velious is worse than 100 in classic

[Charlo]

I still haven't seen anyone mention item loot as a viable option...

[pgerman]

it isnt that the server would not eventually end up the same



its just you get another year when the server is fun



all everquest servers are fun for about a year before the cycle of fat cave dwellers bonding together to form a zerg is too strong

[Qtip]

Teams hardcoded. Each expansion 1 year.

[krazyGlue]

Why bother trying to lobby for something we all know won't happen . Give it up

[georgie]

Good reverse psychology technique try hard

[Telron]

Still best EQ Emu PVP server out there. Speaks loads to how popular classic EQ pvp actually is = )

[rollin5k]

I think the real question is would wiping destroy the population and community? I think it would destroy some people's lives but they would bounce back.

[Vile]

Sirken... do the Cyclical servers man!

[Zlain]

1. hard coded teams will be no different then it is now
2. EQ is not a FPS game nor was it designed for PVP
3. The only way to counter a character's progression is through exp and item loss
4. Once level 60, the only way to counter a character's progression is through item loss
5. Item loss promotes PvP
6. you are not going to EVER be able to really counter numbers (zerg)
7. Item loss would have allowed Azrael, Good Guys, etc. to drain the gear of Empire...
8. The draining of gear will always occur, which is balance.
9. If all else fails, buddy up and make a bunch of wizards to start picking people off.


QFT

[Slug]

Each iteration of a "healthy" pvp server, be it P99 or VZTZ was always in classic/early Kunark, and always fueled by the people who could afford to play a few hours a day and still compete with their chars.

Once the socking and massive time-sink neckbeards take over, the servers get redundant and stale. It has happened 4 or 5 times now with the same results - this is just the first go-round on P99.

Creating new PvP servers brings back all of the people who love classic PvP but also love real life and sunlight. Creating new servers, then eventually merging those servers into the existing PvP servers is the way to go to keep the community functioning. If you don't give the psychologically healthy people a classic PvP experience every few years, you wind up with the same problems the current population is experiencing each and every time.

[Sosa_Chamberlain]

winning side will always snowball its PvP nature

it's the responsibility of the "other team" to be appealing and successful enough to attract and retain players

sore losers

[Vile]

Server resets are the only way to breath fresh air into a stagnant server. During the time that Red99 has been up there were how many, 5? iterations of guildwars / vztz servers. All except two had different top guilds after the wipe (and vztz2.0 likely would have as well if the server wasn't blown up right after kunark release).

The best times of the server is in the initial fray right after release. Poopboxers who blow at pvp but can show up like zombies to raids get smoked. Good players who enjoy pvp can take part in the bloodbath that is a fresh server start and people who have quit for years come back at the prospects on not having to farm venril sathir and trakanon 1000 times to compete.

It's basically the entire reason why eqemu pvp servers came out, the zeks ran their course and wound up with the one dominant guild and stagnation so people would roll on emu servers to experience new server fun.

No troll bros

the truth

[SamwiseRed]

the truth

this game is not meant to be permanent. noone cares about pixels except weirdos.

[Vile]

this game is not meant to be permanent. noone cares about pixels except weirdos.

not sure if agreeing w/ me or not :D

people definitely have a pixel affinity here.

keep red up and going...

give us wipe it clean nerds a fresh box and let us go crazy fighting over manastones and guises plz.

[Sirban]

If there is a wipe, i suspect there will be a large amount of macequest/suicide watch

[easy_lee]

New server with the same rules would end up in the same place. Server rules are what makes the community. If you want the community to change, you have to change the rules.

[Strange]

HALO GMz,I AM 3 WEEKS INTO RED SERVER,I DIED IN PVP,HAS NO EPIC ,I KNOW WHATS BEST FOR SERVER HEALTH,PLZ WIPEZ

[SamwiseRed]

not sure if agreeing w/ me or not :D

people definitely have a pixel affinity here.

keep red up and going...

give us wipe it clean nerds a fresh box and let us go crazy fighting over manastones and guises plz.

my bad. i am agreeing with you :D

[wts]

srs question,

why do you think that a new pvp server would end up any different than the current pvp server after a year?

(this is not in RNF for a reason. if you dont have anything to contribute, don't post here)

<3
Sirks

Dear Sirken,

Thanks for asking! I am a "wipe it clean" nerd. When I say "wipe it clean," it's not because I want or expect the current Red server to actually be wiped. I understand that permanence (to the extent that permanence is possible) is a defining feature of Project 1999. So I don't expect Red to ever be wiped like VZTZ was.

Basically, when I say "wipe it clean," what I'm actually saying is I haven't played in two years because this experience hasn't appealed to me in a long time, and it wouldn't bother me if a wipe, which isn't going to happen, did happen. The reason I say "wipe it clean" instead of "new server plz" is because it always prompts morbidly-obese mom's basement trust fund virgins to self-identify in a panic over the security of their RMT'd pixels, which amuses me.

As for the question of why I think a new server would end up any differently, I don't think that. I think it would end up exactly the same, just as every iteration of VZTZ ended up exactly the same. The appeal for those of us who server hop every time there is a fresh server is because we enjoy every stage of the game that precedes that end stage.

The only thing that would prompt players to behave differently would be to remove the element of permanence. If you know that the endgame is permanent Velious, then half the server will join together in a single guild because they know that is the only way they will have access to Velious content. If the end game is three months of classic, three months of Kunark, three months of Velious, declare winners for Season 1, wipe, and then launch Season 2, people will behave differently.

You're less motivated to join a zerg to avoid being the victim content cock-blocking when you know that content is getting wiped in three months anyway. In this scenario, people can enjoy the PvP and competition rather than banding together to make competition impossible.

Rogean was on your stream the last time I caught it (this was a while ago) and said they were considering doing a cyclical server where, prior to a wipe, characters would be copied over to the live server so that you would still never lose your characters. I was cool with any idea that brought a new server closer to being reality, but I really think this stems from Rogean's reluctance to let go of the ethic of permanence. If such a server were launched, it would be a manastone RMT farm fest.

I much prefer that there be no character copies, so that items lose almost all of their RMT value. Let the morbidly-obese mom's basement trust fund virgins stay on the permanent servers where they belong. Let the ravening hordes of players who don't care about pixels have a server where competition, not pixel hoarding, is the main feature.

I once again encourage the staff to beta test one season of a non-permanent server. Disclaim upon log in that the server will be wiped after a pre-determined period of time and see if it gains an audience. If I'm wrong, and there's not a significant audience for a non-permanent server, then close it at the end of the beta period and I'll never bring it up again.

[Vile]

teams simply not gonna work with our pop... it's gonna be 1 side dominating and we'd be in same situation.

99% people on the wipe it clean team are looking for something more casual and competitive (pvp, not raid wise).

the cyclical wipes solve all problems.

classic to kubark. a few months each expansion imo -- and keep wiping that shit clean. eventually either way its gonna die out like red already has... with most of the population raiding in 1 guild. at least you know in X time it's gonna restart...

[nerfed]

Zerging will always be an issue, but there are tons of ways to deal with it. Unfortunately they would require GM interaction and that's never a good thing. Guild member cap, prevent healing and buffing outside the guild (with a level requirement), server rule against collusion etc etc. You would hope players would realize inviting half the server into your guild ruins the server, but players always look for the easy way to win.

A seasons server like what Diablo and Path of Exile have been doing would be interesting. Wipe it clean every 6 months.

The initial release where everyone is on equal footing always has the highest population. Leveling would have to be easier to entice people to join a temporary server. Hot zone bonus exp (focuses people to a zone for more pvp), two boxing to get around easier or level by yourself, group bonus etc. Necessities like manastone and jboots would have to be easier to get. No one wants to poopsock a camp for a temporary server. Pvp points for items? You could also have level locks to allow the casuals to keep up.

Will there be one guild on top? Sure, but it probably wouldn't be the same people every time and there wouldn't be a huge gear gap / barrier to entry. For instance, the people who started Nihilum don't even play any more and before someone says Nizzar is banned. He didn't start it. The people that did quit when it became a pve server.

[Smedy]

HALO GMz,I AM 3 WEEKS INTO RED SERVER,I DIED IN PVP,HAS NO EPIC ,I KNOW WHATS BEST FOR SERVER HEALTH,PLZ WIPEZ

been here since beta still no epics, you don't even know half of the struggle, didn't you join red and 15 days in you had epic and full rage fire hehehh

[Raev]

why do you think that a new pvp server would end up any different than the current pvp server after a year?

Rather than a new server, why not fix this one? I don't think it would be too hard. The problem is that zerg wins PVP even more than zerg wins PVE, so some sort of mechanics adjustment would be needed.

Random suggestion: for each encounter, sum the number of players who enter the zone in the hour before the target is killed. Guilds that are deemed to be 'zerging' either get a reduced loot table or perhaps some sort of hidden PVP penalty (-resists, -ATK, whatever) for the next week depending on how extreme their zerg is. And if everyone puts their alts into different guilds, either just tell them not to under threat of ban or do some database searches and correlate some IPs and do the math behind the scenes to link them into 1 big guild.

I can understand your frustration with the Red being a 1-guild farm for the past 5 years, but I don't think you are powerless to fix it.

[Colgate]

the more staff intervention, the worse a pvp server gets

[georgie]

no Rockford played a druid and had decent personality but he seems to have taken the "happy to be here" attitude to "well my life sux". I assume it was right when smoke break was forced to merge

[wts]

It's a troll used by people who aren't winning and think it will change things.

Anybody who thinks anything related to playing a 15 year old elf sim 16 hours a day correlates with "winning" has successfully self identified. Troll part is true.

Does anyone seriously think wiping a whole server would change that? Hardcode the teams to race, everyone will be that race who is winning. Hardcode it to diety, same. Hardcode it to whatever u want. People are going to overload one side, no way around it.

Exactly. Love you Samwise but Sullon was the least populated PvP server in EQ history for a reason. Soft coded Race War teams was the most popular rulset in EQ history for a reason.

problem with sister server is splitting an already low pop

Would bring pop back, inject new blood and load balance players off of blue. Nobody wants to start fresh on a server where the winner has already been declared and you're four years of camping Kunark gear behind.

LOL classy, right off the bat call people with opposing viewpoints nerds

Has there ever been a more emo poster? Sirken calls everybody a nerd. If you're here, YOU ARE A NERD.

it isnt that the server would not eventually end up the same, its just you get another year when the server is fun. All everquest servers are fun for about a year before the cycle of fat cave dwellers bonding together to form a zerg is too strong

/thread

[sktank]

Rather than a new server, why not fix this one? I don't think it would be too hard. The problem is that zerg wins PVP even more than zerg wins PVE, so some sort of mechanics adjustment would be needed.

Random suggestion: for each encounter, sum the number of players who enter the zone in the hour before the target is killed. Guilds that are deemed to be 'zerging' either get a reduced loot table or perhaps some sort of hidden PVP penalty (-resists, -ATK, whatever) for the next week depending on how extreme their zerg is. And if everyone puts their alts into different guilds, either just tell them not to under threat of ban or do some database searches and correlate some IPs and do the math behind the scenes to link them into 1 big guild.

I can understand your frustration with the Red being a 1-guild farm for the past 5 years, but I don't think you are powerless to fix it.so dumb and not classic. Instead of "oh I know how to fix the server attitudes" why doesn't everyone just accept the position they're in. Whatever side they're on- and make the best of it. Play everquest because you like to play everquest don't worry about being THE BEST PLAYER EVER... I think it's funny how egotistic some people get when they have good gear or even like... A AON...

[Snapple]

Rather than a new server, why not fix this one? I don't think it would be too hard. The problem is that zerg wins PVP even more than zerg wins PVE, so some sort of mechanics adjustment would be needed.

Random suggestion: for each encounter, sum the number of players who enter the zone in the hour before the target is killed. Guilds that are deemed to be 'zerging' either get a reduced loot table or perhaps some sort of hidden PVP penalty (-resists, -ATK, whatever) for the next week depending on how extreme their zerg is. And if everyone puts their alts into different guilds, either just tell them not to under threat of ban or do some database searches and correlate some IPs and do the math behind the scenes to link them into 1 big guild.

I can understand your frustration with the Red being a 1-guild farm for the past 5 years, but I don't think you are powerless to fix it.

worst idea ever

[knix]

srs question,

why do you think that a new pvp server would end up any different than the current pvp server after a year?

(this is not in RNF for a reason. if you dont have anything to contribute, don't post here)

<3
Sirks

Sirken I think if you had the guides on the server, it wouldn't actually take long to "wipe it clean" naturally. Just have them there to instantly enforce the server rules, eventually the offenders would be on 282 day suspensions, and hold the guild officers responsible for setting the culture of the guild.
Sat/Sunday Velious release I had my LNS violated 5 times. One time I had LNS violated i was less than 5 min sitting at my body waiting for DA/DB to refresh, while Colgate encouraged his minions in say to pvp me.An Officer of a guild encouraged his team to violate my LNS because, I was sitting quietly at my body waiting to recover, so i could scoot. Suspend the guild, so that the officers will boot out offenders, or know that they need to set the culture differently.
http://imgur.com/7T6TZB2
http://i.imgur.com/7T6TZB2.png

[Sun Aug 02 07:34:46 2015] [PvP] Jinger <TMO> has been defeated by Masaka <Empire> in Eastern Wastelands!
[Sun Aug 02 07:43:23 2015] The Celestial Elixir fades.
[Sun Aug 02 07:43:25 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:43:25 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 07:43:30 2015] Masaka shouts, 'granted'
-------------------------------------------run to body across large outdoor zone, the zone wall still has the same empire there that killed me earlier. Oh look Colgate is there, maybe he will keep them in line........ Newp.

[Sun Aug 02 07:43:33 2015] You say out of character, 'LNS KAEL/EW'
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] Players on EverQuest:
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] ---------------------------
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Raurk <Thunderdome>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Colgate <Empire>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Salwor <TMO>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Oculusdraconis
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Wizing
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Lunchwagon <Empire>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Valtiel <Empire>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Riding <Empire>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Masaka <Empire>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Jinger <TMO>

[Sun Aug 02 07:53:36 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:36 2015] You are out of food and drink.
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:44 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'jinger shh'
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:55 2015] You say out of character, 'no, don't tell me to shh'

[Sun Aug 02 07:54:06 2015] Unbrella says out of character, 'lns denied''
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:08 2015] Barnie says out of character, 'lfg velious. 55 or 60'
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:08 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'you dont have to keep spamming lns'

[Sun Aug 02 07:54:22 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:22 2015] You are out of food and drink.

[Sun Aug 02 07:54:32 2015] You say out of character, 'tell that to the 3 times in was killed while on lns last night'
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:43 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'this morning isnt last night'

[Sun Aug 02 07:54:45 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'so'
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:45 2015] You say out of character, 'I will continue to spam, cause when i don't the kill me'
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:52 2015] You say out of character, 'it doesnt matter'
[
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:59 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'shh'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:06 2015] Colgate begins to cast a spell.
[
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:08 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:08 2015] You are out of food and drink.

[Sun Aug 02 07:55:13 2015] You say out of character, 'one fucker kills me and wastes 30 min of my time, so i have to put in a petition?'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:18 2015] You say out of character, 'not worth it'
-----I arrived at body at the kael/ew zoneline.
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:21 2015] Colgate says, 'Hail, Jinger'


[Sun Aug 02 07:55:24 2015] You say out of character, 'LNS KAEL/EW'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:31 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'thats your option aparently '



[Sun Aug 02 07:55:39 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'Just wondering since you're calling LNS....doesn't someone have to kill you with yt before you can call lns?'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:39 2015] Coolio says out of character, 'He should have just patted you on the ass and said good job guy and let you go on your way.'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:50 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:50 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:51 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'she died last night '


[Sun Aug 02 07:55:54 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:54 2015] You are out of food and drink.


[Sun Aug 02 07:56:08 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'last night,.... isn't there a time limit for lns?'

[Sun Aug 02 07:56:20 2015] Ahriman says out of character, 'Thought it was an hour?'
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:23 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'can't wait 2+ hours then go "oh LNS"'
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:23 2015] You say out of character, 'killed again this morning'
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:25 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'in her defense empire broke it'

[Sun Aug 02 07:56:39 2015] You say out of character, 'my DADB isnt refreshed yet,'
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:40 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:40 2015] You are out of food and drink.


[Sun Aug 02 07:56:48 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:48 2015] You say, 'LNS'


[Sun Aug 02 07:56:58 2015] You say out of character, 'LNS KAEL/EW'

[Sun Aug 02 07:57:17 2015] Checkraise says out of character, 'jinger with the 31 hour LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:26 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:26 2015] You are out of food and drink.


[Sun Aug 02 07:57:29 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:29 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:29 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'I kinda feel like that LNS can be challenged'

[Sun Aug 02 07:57:37 2015] Grimtoad says, 'loot and get out'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:40 2015] Tyrionn says out of character, 'u gotta give it 2 the tmo'ers, they're persistant, like herpes'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:43 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'unbrella als denied it'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:44 2015] Tyrionn says out of character, 'it can be'

[Sun Aug 02 07:57:50 2015] Lauretta says out of character, '*also'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:51 2015] Grimtoad is surrounded by a brief lupine aura.
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:52 2015] Grimtoad's hand is covered with a dull aura.
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:58 2015] Grimtoad begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:02 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'I've been on for 2 hours and seen no yellow text for pvp vs Jinger'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:03 2015] You say out of character, 'DUDES, i was killed 3 times last night while on legit LNS, I am curerntly on LNS from death this am less than 13 min ago'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:04 2015] Grimtoad's feet leave the ground.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:10 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'last night tho..'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:11 2015] Colgate says, 'are you gonna loot your corpse'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:12 2015] Colgate says, 'or what'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:13 2015] You are thirsty.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:13 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:13 2015] You are out of food and drink.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:16 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:16 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:16 2015] Riding -> Jinger: scoot
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:17 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'doesn't carry over forever lol'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:21 2015] Riding shouts, 'leave the zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:22 2015] You say out of character, 'LNS KAEL/EW'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:23 2015] Masaka shouts, 'NOT GRANTED'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:24 2015] Colgate says, 'your corpse is right here'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:24 2015] Orym says out of character, 'l2read moron'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:26 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'You can't call lns for being killed 2 weeks ago'


[Sun Aug 02 07:58:40 2015] Masaka shouts, 'you have a time limit if you werent aware'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:47 2015] Korim says out of character, 'Also you gotta 'Scoot''
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:47 2015] Grimtoad begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:52 2015] Grimtoad fades away.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:54 2015] Feather shouts, '3'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:56 2015] Feather shouts, '2'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:58 2015] Feather shouts, '1'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:58 2015] [PvP] Westco <> has been defeated by Backup <Empire> in The Wakening Lands!


[Sun Aug 02 07:59:10 2015] You say, 'an hour'


[Sun Aug 02 07:59:14 2015] Masaka shouts, 'DISCING JINGER!!!'
'

[Sun Aug 02 08:00:01 2015] Your spell fizzles!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:02 2015] You begin casting Heroism.

[Sun Aug 02 08:00:06 2015] Jinger has healed you for 400 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:06 2015] You feel heroic.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:09 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 41 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:09 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 3 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:11 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 60 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:13 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 23 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:13 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:14 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:15 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 43 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:15 2015] Icrushyou says out of character, 'LNS iceclad ocean'

[Sun Aug 02 08:00:16 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 43 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:17 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:17 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:18 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:18 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:20 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 26 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:21 2015] You resist the Fufil`s Curtailing Chant spell!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:22 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:24 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 12 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:24 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:25 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 19 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:26 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 56 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:27 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 48 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:28 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 15 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:28 2015] You begin casting Divine Aura.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:28 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:29 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:29 2015] The gods have rendered you invulnerable.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:30 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:30 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:32 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:32 2015] Tyrionn says out of character, 'wtb myro bp'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:34 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:34 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:36 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:37 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:37 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:38 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:39 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:39 2015] You say out of character, 'he is killing me again'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:40 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:41 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:41 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:43 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:43 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:43 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:45 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:46 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:47 2015] Raurk says out of character, 'report the fucks'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:47 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:48 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:48 2015] Your invulnerability fades.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:49 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 15 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:50 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:51 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:52 2015] You begin casting Divine Barrier.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:52 2015] Radigast says out of character, 'you arnt scooting'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:53 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:53 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 25 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:53 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:54 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:54 2015] You are surrounded by a divine barrier.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:55 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:55 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:57 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:59 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:01 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:01 2015] Tyrionn says out of character, 'WHY ARENT U SCOOTING'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:03 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:04 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:04 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:06 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:07 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:08 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:10 2015] You say out of character, 'Valtiel is KILLING ME ON LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:10 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:12 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:12 2015] The barrier fades.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:14 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:16 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:19 2015] Anaesthetic says out of character, 'SS it'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:20 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:23 2015] Cheats says out of character, 'I would call the POlice'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:24 2015] You feel a static pulse engulf you.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:25 2015] Taking a screenshot...
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:27 2015] Silicon says out of character, 'you cant just sit on your corpse Jinger'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:29 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:30 2015] Barnie says out of character, '911'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:31 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:31 2015] Your voice binds chords into chains.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:33 2015] Silicon says out of character, 'loot your corpse and leave'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:33 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:34 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:35 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 21 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:36 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:36 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:37 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:37 2015] The pulse fades.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:37 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 43 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:38 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:39 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:40 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:46 2015] You begin casting Celestial Elixir.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:49 2015] The musical chains fade.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:49 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:50 2015] Celestial Elixir pumps through your body.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:51 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:51 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:54 2015] Jinger has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:55 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:00 2015] Jinger has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:04 2015] Valtiel shouts, 'you've been yelling that for an hour, doesn't make you pvp immune fyi'
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:06 2015] Jinger has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:12 2015] Jinger has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:12 2015] The Celestial Elixir fades.

[Sun Aug 02 08:02:24 2015] You shout, 'i left when my DA DB was refreshed'

[Sun Aug 02 08:02:36 2015] You begin to sneak...
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:51 2015] You say out of character, 'i am still trying to scoot'
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:55 2015] You begin to sneak...
[Sun Aug 02 08:03:07 2015] You begin to sneak...

I was a single cleric trying to loot and scoot, while running over from pvp death NO mana, not until you loot your body with water. DA/DB not refreshed, why can't i even sit at my body for 5 min so i can get some mana so i can root shit, I started running away hoping i could med a few hundred ticks away from them so i would be ready to scoot, without being harassed, but tbh i started running when they started escalating what they were saying in say, I thought i would at least get a hero skin on before i ran out past the giant guards who always beat me up when i pass them.

This was not pvp. This was harassment. Now I say again I am not representing TMO, only myself, I am/was the bluest player on Red, I was friendly to most everyone, I am a kind and helpful player in the game. I have since quit playing on red and you will have no more of my tears. IMO Empire should be suspended for a culture set by Colgate. Because in this instance He was there, and encouraged it.

TLDR give staff suspension power and you will be rid of the stench of the red server. Opening of a new era, without having to wipe the server. There are some good people in Empire. Let them be competitive and PVP, not Harass people unchecked.
(yes I understand you are going to call me a pvp newb, you are going to tell me my ss doesnt have any junk spells at the top, keep in mind i was not ready to scoot, before he attacked me.)

[Snapple]

Sirken I think if you had the guides on the server, it wouldn't actually take long to "wipe it clean" naturally. Just have them there to instantly enforce the server rules, eventually the offenders would be on 282 day suspensions, and hold the guild officers responsible for setting the culture of the guild.
Sat/Sunday Velious release I had my LNS violated 5 times. One time I had LNS violated i was less than 5 min sitting at my body waiting for DA/DB to refresh, while Colgate encouraged his minions in say to pvp me.An Officer of a guild encouraged his team to violate my LNS because, I was sitting quietly at my body waiting to recover, so i could scoot. Suspend the guild, so that the officers will boot out offenders, or know that they need to set the culture differently.
http://imgur.com/7T6TZB2
http://i.imgur.com/7T6TZB2.png

[Sun Aug 02 07:34:46 2015] [PvP] Jinger <TMO> has been defeated by Masaka <Empire> in Eastern Wastelands!
[Sun Aug 02 07:43:23 2015] The Celestial Elixir fades.
[Sun Aug 02 07:43:25 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:43:25 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 07:43:30 2015] Masaka shouts, 'granted'
-------------------------------------------run to body across large outdoor zone, the zone wall still has the same empire there that killed me earlier. Oh look Colgate is there, maybe he will keep them in line........ Newp.

[Sun Aug 02 07:43:33 2015] You say out of character, 'LNS KAEL/EW'
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] Players on EverQuest:
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] ---------------------------
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Raurk <Thunderdome>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Colgate <Empire>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Salwor <TMO>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Oculusdraconis
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Wizing
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Lunchwagon <Empire>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Valtiel <Empire>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Riding <Empire>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Masaka <Empire>
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:27 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Jinger <TMO>

[Sun Aug 02 07:53:36 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:36 2015] You are out of food and drink.
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:44 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'jinger shh'
[Sun Aug 02 07:53:55 2015] You say out of character, 'no, don't tell me to shh'

[Sun Aug 02 07:54:06 2015] Unbrella says out of character, 'lns denied''
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:08 2015] Barnie says out of character, 'lfg velious. 55 or 60'
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:08 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'you dont have to keep spamming lns'

[Sun Aug 02 07:54:22 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:22 2015] You are out of food and drink.

[Sun Aug 02 07:54:32 2015] You say out of character, 'tell that to the 3 times in was killed while on lns last night'
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:43 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'this morning isnt last night'

[Sun Aug 02 07:54:45 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'so'
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:45 2015] You say out of character, 'I will continue to spam, cause when i don't the kill me'
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:52 2015] You say out of character, 'it doesnt matter'
[
[Sun Aug 02 07:54:59 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'shh'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:06 2015] Colgate begins to cast a spell.
[
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:08 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:08 2015] You are out of food and drink.

[Sun Aug 02 07:55:13 2015] You say out of character, 'one fucker kills me and wastes 30 min of my time, so i have to put in a petition?'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:18 2015] You say out of character, 'not worth it'
-----I arrived at body at the kael/ew zoneline.
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:21 2015] Colgate says, 'Hail, Jinger'


[Sun Aug 02 07:55:24 2015] You say out of character, 'LNS KAEL/EW'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:31 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'thats your option aparently '



[Sun Aug 02 07:55:39 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'Just wondering since you're calling LNS....doesn't someone have to kill you with yt before you can call lns?'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:39 2015] Coolio says out of character, 'He should have just patted you on the ass and said good job guy and let you go on your way.'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:50 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:50 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:51 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'she died last night '


[Sun Aug 02 07:55:54 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:55:54 2015] You are out of food and drink.


[Sun Aug 02 07:56:08 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'last night,.... isn't there a time limit for lns?'

[Sun Aug 02 07:56:20 2015] Ahriman says out of character, 'Thought it was an hour?'
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:23 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'can't wait 2+ hours then go "oh LNS"'
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:23 2015] You say out of character, 'killed again this morning'
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:25 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'in her defense empire broke it'

[Sun Aug 02 07:56:39 2015] You say out of character, 'my DADB isnt refreshed yet,'
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:40 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:40 2015] You are out of food and drink.


[Sun Aug 02 07:56:48 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:56:48 2015] You say, 'LNS'


[Sun Aug 02 07:56:58 2015] You say out of character, 'LNS KAEL/EW'

[Sun Aug 02 07:57:17 2015] Checkraise says out of character, 'jinger with the 31 hour LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:26 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:26 2015] You are out of food and drink.


[Sun Aug 02 07:57:29 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:29 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:29 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'I kinda feel like that LNS can be challenged'

[Sun Aug 02 07:57:37 2015] Grimtoad says, 'loot and get out'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:40 2015] Tyrionn says out of character, 'u gotta give it 2 the tmo'ers, they're persistant, like herpes'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:43 2015] Lauretta says out of character, 'unbrella als denied it'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:44 2015] Tyrionn says out of character, 'it can be'

[Sun Aug 02 07:57:50 2015] Lauretta says out of character, '*also'
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:51 2015] Grimtoad is surrounded by a brief lupine aura.
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:52 2015] Grimtoad's hand is covered with a dull aura.
[Sun Aug 02 07:57:58 2015] Grimtoad begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:02 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'I've been on for 2 hours and seen no yellow text for pvp vs Jinger'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:03 2015] You say out of character, 'DUDES, i was killed 3 times last night while on legit LNS, I am curerntly on LNS from death this am less than 13 min ago'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:04 2015] Grimtoad's feet leave the ground.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:10 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'last night tho..'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:11 2015] Colgate says, 'are you gonna loot your corpse'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:12 2015] Colgate says, 'or what'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:13 2015] You are thirsty.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:13 2015] You are hungry.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:13 2015] You are out of food and drink.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:16 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:16 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:16 2015] Riding -> Jinger: scoot
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:17 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'doesn't carry over forever lol'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:21 2015] Riding shouts, 'leave the zone'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:22 2015] You say out of character, 'LNS KAEL/EW'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:23 2015] Masaka shouts, 'NOT GRANTED'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:24 2015] Colgate says, 'your corpse is right here'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:24 2015] Orym says out of character, 'l2read moron'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:26 2015] Chuckleberry says out of character, 'You can't call lns for being killed 2 weeks ago'


[Sun Aug 02 07:58:40 2015] Masaka shouts, 'you have a time limit if you werent aware'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:47 2015] Korim says out of character, 'Also you gotta 'Scoot''
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:47 2015] Grimtoad begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:52 2015] Grimtoad fades away.
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:54 2015] Feather shouts, '3'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:56 2015] Feather shouts, '2'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:58 2015] Feather shouts, '1'
[Sun Aug 02 07:58:58 2015] [PvP] Westco <> has been defeated by Backup <Empire> in The Wakening Lands!


[Sun Aug 02 07:59:10 2015] You say, 'an hour'


[Sun Aug 02 07:59:14 2015] Masaka shouts, 'DISCING JINGER!!!'
'

[Sun Aug 02 08:00:01 2015] Your spell fizzles!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:02 2015] You begin casting Heroism.

[Sun Aug 02 08:00:06 2015] Jinger has healed you for 400 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:06 2015] You feel heroic.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:09 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 41 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:09 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 3 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:11 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 60 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:13 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 23 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:13 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:14 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:15 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 43 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:15 2015] Icrushyou says out of character, 'LNS iceclad ocean'

[Sun Aug 02 08:00:16 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 43 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:17 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:17 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:18 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:18 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:20 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 26 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:21 2015] You resist the Fufil`s Curtailing Chant spell!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:22 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:24 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 12 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:24 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:25 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 19 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:26 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 56 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:27 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 48 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:28 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 15 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:28 2015] You begin casting Divine Aura.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:28 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:29 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:29 2015] The gods have rendered you invulnerable.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:30 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:30 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:32 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:32 2015] Tyrionn says out of character, 'wtb myro bp'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:34 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:34 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:36 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:37 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:37 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:38 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:39 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:39 2015] You say out of character, 'he is killing me again'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:40 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:41 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:41 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:43 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:43 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:43 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:45 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:46 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:47 2015] Raurk says out of character, 'report the fucks'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:47 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:48 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:48 2015] Your invulnerability fades.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:49 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 15 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:50 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:51 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:52 2015] You begin casting Divine Barrier.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:52 2015] Radigast says out of character, 'you arnt scooting'
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:53 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:53 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 25 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:53 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:54 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:54 2015] You are surrounded by a divine barrier.
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:55 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:55 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:57 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:00:59 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:01 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:01 2015] Tyrionn says out of character, 'WHY ARENT U SCOOTING'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:03 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:04 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:04 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:06 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:07 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:08 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:10 2015] You say out of character, 'Valtiel is KILLING ME ON LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:10 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:12 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but are INVULNERABLE!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:12 2015] The barrier fades.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:14 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:16 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:19 2015] Anaesthetic says out of character, 'SS it'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:20 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:23 2015] Cheats says out of character, 'I would call the POlice'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:24 2015] You feel a static pulse engulf you.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:25 2015] Taking a screenshot...
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:27 2015] Silicon says out of character, 'you cant just sit on your corpse Jinger'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:29 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:30 2015] Barnie says out of character, '911'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:31 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:31 2015] Your voice binds chords into chains.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:33 2015] Silicon says out of character, 'loot your corpse and leave'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:33 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:34 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:35 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 21 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:36 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:36 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:37 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:37 2015] The pulse fades.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:37 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 43 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:38 2015] Valtiel slashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:39 2015] Valtiel tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:40 2015] You begin to chant.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:46 2015] You begin casting Celestial Elixir.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:49 2015] The musical chains fade.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:49 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:50 2015] Celestial Elixir pumps through your body.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:51 2015] You shout, 'LNS this zone'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:51 2015] You say, 'LNS'
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:54 2015] Jinger has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:01:55 2015] Your chant ends.
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:00 2015] Jinger has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:04 2015] Valtiel shouts, 'you've been yelling that for an hour, doesn't make you pvp immune fyi'
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:06 2015] Jinger has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:12 2015] Jinger has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:12 2015] The Celestial Elixir fades.

[Sun Aug 02 08:02:24 2015] You shout, 'i left when my DA DB was refreshed'

[Sun Aug 02 08:02:36 2015] You begin to sneak...
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:51 2015] You say out of character, 'i am still trying to scoot'
[Sun Aug 02 08:02:55 2015] You begin to sneak...
[Sun Aug 02 08:03:07 2015] You begin to sneak...

I was a single cleric trying to loot and scoot, while running over from pvp death NO mana, not until you loot your body with water. DA/DB not refreshed, why can't i even sit at my body for 5 min so i can get some mana so i can root shit, I started running away hoping i could med a few hundred ticks away from them so i would be ready to scoot, without being harassed, but tbh i started running when they started escalating what they were saying in say, I thought i would at least get a hero skin on before i ran out past the giant guards who always beat me up when i pass them.

This was not pvp. This was harassment. Now I say again I am not representing TMO, only myself, I am/was the bluest player on Red, I was friendly to most everyone, I am a kind and helpful player in the game. I have since quit playing on red and you will have no more of my tears. IMO Empire should be suspended for a culture set by Colgate. Because in this instance He was there, and encouraged it.

TLDR give staff suspension power and you will be rid of the stench of the red server. Opening of a new era, without having to wipe the server. There are some good people in Empire. Let them be competitive and PVP, not Harass people unchecked.
(yes I understand you are going to call me a pvp newb, you are going to tell me my ss doesnt have any junk spells at the top, keep in mind i was not ready to scoot, before he attacked me.)

LOL git fckin rekt m8

[bolo]

People love classic zones and PvP on a fresh server. After a few years the servers need a reset to make it interesting.

The debate has been going on for years on this server now and the solution I like the best is a new server that eventually merges into the current red99 server. This way there is always a fresh server opening every 2 years without there being an actual wipe.

Classic - 1 year
Kunark - 1 year
Merge with red99 Velious

Start 2nd server over again.

I like this suggestion to get new fresh blood into red99.
Gladly a wipe will never happen..

[hammbone]

Jesus Jingr, thought you quit.... make up your mind.
If you really think a 282 day suspension is going to help the population, you are smoking better shit than agatha. welcome to pvp.

[Colgate]

uhh

i walked up, saw that you were sitting naked next to your corpse, said your corpse is right next to you

then i zoned into kael

how is that encouraging them to "violate" your LNS, which you're violating yourself by refusing to leave?

go fuck yourself, idiot

[Farzo]

Not enough population to support a server that's wiped over and over.

Only reason I keep playing is for making gainz on my toon. Why the deuce would I want to restart every year.

Also every nut job and their monkey will just play wizards and rogues for PvP knowing full well a wipe is pending.

Also the server pip would not be 300....would be 50 nutters raping each other.

If you want a instant respawn game seek CS or Quake.

[DRAGONBAIT]

i think there must be LOADS of small dicks on this server to sustain this harass attitudes, human beings are altruist by nature but these nckbeards aint own theyre own emotions. It really amuses me to remember all the talking to get nihilum disbanded and what people is doing now. Im starting to like Nizzar more tbh, at leas he wasnt an hypocrit. that toothpaste guy is just fake

[DRAGONBAIT]

Jesus Jingr, thought you quit.... make up your mind.
If you really think a 282 day suspension is going to help the population, you are smoking better shit than agatha. welcome to pvp.

no man, that was not pvp. I dont get how so many bluebies got drawn into this lame pvp culture we have here, but i get it, u like to raid uncostested and kill other people uncostested and thats ure red experience, sad thing is that u would enjoy much more another culture for this server.

[keyz]

LnS means you must loot your body and leave the zone ASAP. Not sit around medding or waiting on da/db, or buffing. Want mana and timers up, then med before you enter the zone. Better yet, loot and gate. Not convenient? Too bad, LnS isn't about convenience, it's a way to get your body back with the acknowledgement that you leave the zone quickly.

[Wildino]

Knix, i'm sorry but you are acting like a child.

From him. Best part ever ....

[derpcake]

should have cast gate instead of celestial elexir

not seeing problem here, its not loot & sit around now is it

[Drakaris]

LnS means you must loot your body and leave the zone ASAP. Not sit around medding or waiting on da/db, or buffing. Want mana and timers up, then med before you enter the zone. Better yet, loot and gate. Not convenient? Too bad, LnS isn't about convenience, it's a way to get your body back with the acknowledgement that you leave the zone quickly.

Hey retard, she died in pog and you were bind camping her. She had 0 mana after dying in pvp, now how do you get to the raid destination without mana invis or sow? How the fuck can a cleric gate when you are killing her at her bind and there are Kos mobs on either side?

You simply can't. She called lns so she could mem her bloody spells and get rezed back into an intense raid that the guild was already struggling with.

Jinger is a nice gal trying to play with friends, not some aimchat loser trying to lawyerquest. Try not to judge everyone by your guilds standards.

[keyz]

Sounds like a bad bind point.

[Drakaris]

Sounds like a bad bind point.

Sounds like you should be civil about it if you are scared about timers and ask that she zone over. Pretty retarded to argue that she's doing it to spy since you can easily chain die and achieve your goal.

Besides lns and anti bind camping rules are in place to prevent this shit. Saying lns more than once after a pvp death should be enough.

[Colgate]

LNS doesn't mean you're allowed to sit next to your corpse naked for 10 minutes, refusing to leave

[wts]

Forum bans for shitting up an important thread please.

[wts]

Only reason I keep playing is for making gainz on my toon. Why the deuce would I want to restart every year.

You wouldn't want to. You would want to stay on the morbidly-obese mom's basement trust fund virgin server.

If you want a instant respawn game seek CS or Quake.

Better tell Rogean since he proposed it.

[wts]

TRIPLE POST BITCHES

Sirken's SuperCast #49 ft: Nilbog, and Rogean!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3byJ45i9W8

1:03:15

"In addition to trying out additional servers such as a teams PvP server possibly in the future and a Discord server I have mentioned, we do intend once Velious has been out for an amount of time, we plan on doing what we call a recycle rotation. That's where we will release a new server, it starts in pre-Kunark and it will follow a timeline. It could be a timeline close to what the time was between expansions on live when they were originally released. It could be shorter, it could be faster.

Once that server reaches Velious and has been in Velious for a while we can merge that into the original live Blue server and start all over again. I see no reason why we can't do a constant rotation like that, just keep launching new servers over and over and every couple of years merge them in and start another one."

[Drakaris]

LNS doesn't mean you're allowed to sit next to your corpse naked for 10 minutes, refusing to leave

Pretty sure Jinger's corpse was in PoG at the time she was calling LNS... and being bind camped...

[wts]

Another forum ban candidate. Please refer to the OP for information regarding the topic of this thread.

[Drakaris]

Another forum ban candidate. Please refer to the OP for information regarding the topic of this thread.

But that's my point, whoever you are, population is being harmed because people are now blatantly bind camping and there has been blatant training to win guild pvp fights. This is not a RNF post, but a fact with the direction the server is going.

This is why Sullon Zek's population eventually plummeted; PVP became a trainfest and new players were being constantly griefed off the box.

When all the smaller guilds put their differences aside and merge against Empire not out of spite, but because the one guild is abusing the fact it is on top by denying everyone raid targets and absorbing all the fence-sitters on the server you will end up with a net decrease in server pop.

In my humble opinion Empire should have been raid suspended for a week for training VP as Nihilum had been previously, that was the straw that broke the camels back and was the reason why GG disbanded.

When GG disbanded about 20-30% of the guild went to Empire, a guild that was already 1/3 of the server pop.

I don't know what else to say, but the #1 guild often decides the general direction of the server and when the #1 guild are behaving like a bunch of scum bags and breaking obvious server rules, staff need to act hard and fast otherwise the consequence is a net population nose-dive.

[Efwan]

You nerds realize that alot of you are asking for a "pvp-centric" server or one that caters to maybe more casuals but also rewards neckbeards yet isn't that what the Devnoob box is? PvP with huge experience bonus, hell start off at level 50, can 3box so gear comes easier, vulak can be downed by like 7 people, some raid mobs can even be "solo'd" by 3 box crews in decent velious gear. Don't give me that whole omg boxing is the devil it'll ruin pvp because noone is going to box in pvp. I love it when they try though lmao. But for real if you want pvp take 10-20 people there and it's nonstop everywhere with the 10-15 that already play there

[heartbrand]

EverQuest is a pve game that happened to have pvp enabled servers. Lot of dumb in this thread. Red99 couldn't even hold pop through the end of the first month. Server came out in November, by the end of December Nihilum was already exploiting dragons and pop was sub 200. By the end of January pop was dead. This is not the game to play for hardcore pvp players.

I rolled here two weeks after server launch and encountered maybe ten to fifteen pvp interactions between level 1-50. Most of them involved being attacked while engaged in pve, in situations I had no chance to win ever. The people who claim to love pvp really just love stomping people in scenarios they are guaranteed to win, for Internet ego. That's why you have people like beastagor with a hundred clickies scouting all day in iceclad for advisor wearing newbs, rather than running into Kael and attacking our clerics during their CH rotation. They don't want pvp, they just want to stomp newbs / lowbies.

[Strange]

Hey retard, she died in pog and you were bind camping her. She had 0 mana after dying in pvp, now how do you get to the raid destination without mana invis or sow? How the fuck can a cleric gate when you are killing her at her bind and there are Kos mobs on either side?

You simply can't. She called lns so she could mem her bloody spells and get rezed back into an intense raid that the guild was already struggling with.

Jinger is a nice gal trying to play with friends, not some aimchat loser trying to lawyerquest. Try not to judge everyone by your guilds standards.

HEY RETARD,

r99 Leaderboards show no pvp death in PoG,there for there is no LNS to PoG.

she however did die to PVP in other zones that she can "LNS" her naked body with nothing to "loot and scoot"

how can this cleric not gate while casting hero,and multiple heals and DA ?
i saw her in mid zone at one point,if no sow/invis/mana then who would run through kael ?

if they were raiding,was there no other ressers?necro,clr,paladin?

no porters to pick her up ? aalpha has many people come ninja port him from his plugged zonelines.. why cant jinger be on the VIP ninja port list?

[Drakaris]

HEY RETARD,

r99 Leaderboards show no pvp death in PoG,there for there is no LNS to PoG.

she however did die to PVP in other zones that she can "LNS" her naked body with nothing to "loot and scoot"

how can this cleric not gate while casting hero,and multiple heals and DA ?
i saw her in mid zone at one point,if no sow/invis/mana then who would run through kael ?

if they were raiding,was there no other ressers?necro,clr,paladin?

no porters to pick her up ? aalpha has many people come ninja port him from his plugged zonelines.. why cant jinger be on the VIP ninja port list?

Did you not pay attention to anything I said? Bind camping is against the server rules, she was not bind rushing at any point and was killed multiple times at her bind point. She called lns (which she shouldn't even have to, being at her bind) to obtain safe passage to her corpse after being killed over and over.

Binding in Kael was not the best decision but it was done as a guild decision and was not done at a personal level. She called lns at a personal level as there was no guild presence in kd, nor was there any intention to pvp empires guild which had more than double the numbers and geared players.

Now compare that to the pvp that just happened in TT today and tell me how your guild isn't toxic as fuck compared to the other guilds on this box.

If eunomia was still around she would 100% agree with what I'm saying as she's seen it with her own eyes too.

[Farzo]

You wouldn't want to. You would want to stay on the morbidly-obese mom's basement trust fund virgin server.



Better tell Rogean since he proposed it.

Yikes, terribly invested poster here.

Obv. not in <empire> and forced to farm KC for another 3 years.

[Meiva]

My 2 cents as a casual:

A wipe is simply out of the question as the community has far too many hours/days/years invested. The loss of faith in the stability of this private server would be tremendous.

A fresh server with a more appropriate timeline would absolutely attract me. The number of active players on the premier pvp server would most likely plummet. The powers at be will migrate to the new server for a fresh experience. The hierarchy will remain the same, though the overall experience will change. Opportunists will take action and likely create a new experience for us all. I feel a new server in the future would be just what this community needs and wants.

[DRAGONBAIT]

My 2 cents as a casual:

A wipe is simply out of the question as the community has far too many hours/days/years invested. The loss of faith in the stability of this private server would be tremendous.

A fresh server with a more appropriate timeline would absolutely attract me. The number of active players on the premier pvp server would most likely plummet. The powers at be will migrate to the new server for a fresh experience. The hierarchy will remain the same, though the overall experience will change. Opportunists will take action and likely create a new experience for us all. I feel a new server in the future would be just what this community needs and wants.


totaly agree. devs should look into this, add the official thing now and advertise it in some forums and u get a totally new fresh red experience without killing this server so people can still raid uncontested and enjoy looking at their characters

[Swish]

Teams should be tried, item loot should be tried.... roll the unsuccessful server into the more successful server afterwards.

[DRAGONBAIT]

even on live we got some new servers right? it was classic to reroll to a new server coming up xd well maybe not that classic

[Genedin]

Best troll thread of the year.

[Telron]

Roll us a new server with item loot and give ppl an option to play something fresh. Teams or no teams i dont care. Just something new. Then if it tanks just merge it into red99. Not that hard.

Pvp would skyrocket with fresh untwinked players hitting crushbone guk unrest etc etc. Especially with something like item loot give us a reason to kill each other.

[DRAGONBAIT]

The exact same thing will happen on every Red FFA server in EQ without massive custom rule implementations such as rotations, instances, tokens for raid mobs, etc.

People pretend EQ is some elite PvP game but the fact is the majority of your time in EQ is spent PvEing. The actual time spent PvPing makes up maybe 5% of Red99, or any sub 800 pop server. PvPing is annoying in EQ. There's no reward for it other than getting to boast about your victory, losing is incredibly painful typically, and it usually is a net loss for both people to engage in PvP. PvP is an annoyance in EQ. That's why it's not surprising that most people would rather team up and play together and avoid PvP interaction the majority of the time.

I don't think I'd ever reroll in the near future if it was wiped to play on another FFA PvP server in classic and kunark. To be honest I don't want to ever zone into Karnor's Castle / Sebilis or Dreadlands again for at least 5+ years.

Thanks.



are u sure u rolled on the right server? cos theres another one in p1999 i think it will suit you better, but maybe there u cant feel top notch? eh ? u just summed up the point of view of 50% of the population here. Please go back to blue or shut up

[DRAGONBAIT]

character transfer plz, so all this bluebies can go back to blue server with theyre uberlewt gear and we can have a red server

[XiakenjaTZ]

Can we just let Jinger transfer her character to blue? I don't think anyone here would care.

[Tradesonred]

EverQuest is a pve game that happened to have pvp enabled servers. Lot of dumb in this thread. Red99 couldn't even hold pop through the end of the first month. Server came out in November, by the end of December Nihilum was already exploiting dragons and pop was sub 200. By the end of January pop was dead. This is not the game to play for hardcore pvp players.

I rolled here two weeks after server launch and encountered maybe ten to fifteen pvp interactions between level 1-50. Most of them involved being attacked while engaged in pve, in situations I had no chance to win ever. The people who claim to love pvp really just love stomping people in scenarios they are guaranteed to win, for Internet ego. That's why you have people like beastagor with a hundred clickies scouting all day in iceclad for advisor wearing newbs, rather than running into Kael and attacking our clerics during their CH rotation. They don't want pvp, they just want to stomp newbs / lowbies.

Thats Heartbrands take on it. The reason he didnt encounter many pvp fights is because of how the server was set up. It discouraged pvp with xp loss. On Rallos youd find fights at every step of leveling. Crushbone, EK, SK, Highpass, commons.
By adding xp loss in pvp, it turned into a PVE race to 50. If i had to do it again i would probably race as well instead of trying to play it like Rallos, getting bummed out and quitting early because you cant really have fun taking your time pvping on the way or youll eat tons of xp backlog grief. I guess some people would still race to 50 even if xp loss hadnt been in.

The fact of the matter is, trying to present Red99 beginnings as proof that people dont like pvp is incorrect at best and disingenuous at worst. Of course the server depopulated, his crew went around stomping smaller crews with their zergs, making them eat xp loss repeatedly to grief em off the server. If there was no xp loss, dying would have been less brutal and the people who didnt have 4 years experience in EQ pvp (on VZTZ) would have more breathing space to learn how to pvp, gather forces to challenge more established crews etc... There was no space for non-vets to learn the game without eating grievous xp backlog. The GMs and staff couldnt see how bad it was because they werent playing themselves and let themselves get trolled by people who told em everything was golden, either Nihilum because it let them farm zones uncontested or Holo because they enjoyed griefing.

Im not sure if HB never played on Rallos, or if hes angling for something or what, but Rallos was full of PVPers. Every single day youd find tons of people fighting in and around crushbone. That was like the main Flowers of Happiness hangout and where i hung to fight them. Maybe HB is scared about the possibility of another new server that would jeopardize what hes got now?

Those were the 2 main mistakes to me: Xp loss at start corrected way too late, and no item loot ensuring that twinks down the road became way too powerful, ensuring a stale economy, call of duty style pvp (ironically) and no vibrant Gfay trading hub. Yeah blablabla noob griefed out of their cloth gear, patch some no drop gear and solved.

If someone has an actual timeline of when xp loss was removed and group xp patched, things like that, itd be interesting to look at. With pop numbers, would be even more instructive.

[grannock]

Well, 8 months in each expansion would be an easy fix if you wanted to include Velious.

I imagine 2 years from now the server merge would actually produce a competitive guild to go up against whatever was left on Red99 at that time.

Some pretty strong bonds forming from complete isolation from the other server may reduce guild hoping like it is on Red99.

Why cant they do this on red?? There is nobody curb stomping you in fear or kunark, so gear up and contest.

If someone fucked up the past 4 years on this box they will fuck up on a clean one as well, they are not kids anymore.

[grannock]

EverQuest is a pve game that happened to have pvp enabled servers. Lot of dumb in this thread. Red99 couldn't even hold pop through the end of the first month. Server came out in November, by the end of December Nihilum was already exploiting dragons and pop was sub 200. By the end of January pop was dead. This is not the game to play for hardcore pvp players.

I rolled here two weeks after server launch and encountered maybe ten to fifteen pvp interactions between level 1-50. Most of them involved being attacked while engaged in pve, in situations I had no chance to win ever. The people who claim to love pvp really just love stomping people in scenarios they are guaranteed to win, for Internet ego. That's why you have people like beastagor with a hundred clickies scouting all day in iceclad for advisor wearing newbs, rather than running into Kael and attacking our clerics during their CH rotation. They don't want pvp, they just want to stomp newbs / lowbies.

This post is so spot on.

We were all geared up to fight friends in a very even looking 10v10 at 5am in WW and they all camped out instead of fight. That was not a lopsided number fight, you guys had like 3 sks and would have certainly scored some yt, instead the "most red players on the box" didnt contest, wont fight an actual geared crew, and will continue to seek out zuranthium sitting afk in the middle of WL.

Roberto, hashtag, axebeard + another group of BiS geared so called "red as fuck players" ran from 10 emp.

Where the fuck was the pvp over the pixel? Your egos and fear of ever being hit with a yt ruin this box more than empire does by rading ToV.

[Whirled]

This wouldn't happen on Blue server. /full circle

[knix]

Can we just let Jinger transfer her character to blue? I don't think anyone here would care.

I don't need a transfer to blue, I have 6 level 60s, 2 level 59s, and yes I am done with the red server because of the culture on the server. Its not pvp, as it stands currently its more like grievers with mob mentalities. PVP is not 8 empire vs one cleric on LNS. I posed no threat to them, there was no raid going on that i was "spying on" I was on LNS from being pvp killed after "unplugging" from zone to get away from an LNS violation from the previous night. I arrived at my body less and in less than 5 min i was attacked again.


But, the question is how to fix the red server without "wiping it clean" . The answer is enforce the rules, very strictly, hand out suspensions, kick the boxers, the LNS violators, the players who think training mobs on players is a valid way to pvp. Hold guilds accountable for poor behavior of their players. You will grow the server with players who want to play on a pvp server, not with the current cesspool of humanity you have dominating the server atm.

You cant tell me players would act differently if they risked getting their guild suspended, and guilds would act and remove loose cannons if they risked eating a guild suspension.

[Systolic]

Funny how when TMO pop starts dropping and Alarti gets more and more bergery the GMs start considering a wipe

Just like they knew to be in Ak'Anon before velly launched.

Might as well just rename them GMO

[Systolic]

I posed no threat to them, there was no raid going on that i was "spying on" I was on LNS from being pvp killed after "unplugging" from zone to get away from an LNS violation from the previous night. I arrived at my body less and in less than 5 min i was attacked again.




Don't blame Empire for the way the rules are set up. Sounds to me like you got your LNS and then were killed elsewhere (You are only LNS in that specific zone, you know).

[knix]

Don't blame Empire for the way the rules are set up. Sounds to me like you got your LNS and then were killed elsewhere (You are only LNS in that specific zone, you know).

learn to read, pvp in EW, attacked in EW. within 5 min of arriving at body with no mana to leave.

[Doors]

Threads awful. Server doesn't need wiped and we don't need another one.

If anything you should split blue up so CSR isn't so overwhelmed by needless petitions over camps, training, FTE, etc.

[Uuruk]

Guys i'm 94th in line for elder beads on BLUE. I'm so stoked

[hammbone]

Threads awful. Server doesn't need wiped and we don't need another one.

If anything you should split blue up so CSR isn't so overwhelmed by needless petitions over camps, training, FTE, etc.

I want a real pvp server with risk/reward. not this silly shit where you permanently amass power based on the size of your beard...

ITEM LOOT

[Salaryman]

Dear Sirken: the forums are not a place to go for legit opinions of the people who actualy play this game. Best option: go into a guild teamspeak, secondary option: OOC
The forums is not an option.

[indiscriminate_hater]

OP:
says this isn't an RnF post
calls people nerds

[SamwiseRed]

OP:
says this isn't an RnF post
calls people nerds

well everyone here is a nerd so i dont see the problem.

[Polz]

As usual, a thread is derailed by trolls and immaturity. Wiping this box isn't a good idea, but creating a new box with classic timeless would be pretty awesome in my opinion. Prevents item saturation, and gear disparity and promotes competition.

[Farzo]

Guys i'm 94th in line for elder beads on BLUE. I'm so stoked

Can I buy ur spot in line??

[RoguePhantom]

Im one of the folks that have clamored for a wipe since the original Holo banning.

However, I've come to the conclusion that ALL FFA servers will come down to the same thing. One guild, will continue to invite and recruit a massive number of people. There is nothing wrong with this strategy. It worked in original EQ. And this will be the number one strategy on Red due to the population.

People want to win, and they want to win the easiest way, and that is the path of least resistance. And for most people, that is just being another cog in the wheel that runs over everyone else.

The ONLY way a wipe is even worth considering is if you change the ruleset with a wipe.

And with this number of people, you have to hardcode teams the way Sullon Zek was. SZ only lasted as long as it did purely due to the Teams aspect.

So I wouldn't even mention a wipe unless you expect to rework the entire server.

[Systolic]

Make another pvp server and let it go for about a year until one guild emerges, then merge the servers together. That way people have pixels, Empire has competition (and will still dominate), and everyone gets a chance to play ungriefed, and Empire can still dominate their box

Of course nothing is stopping empire from starting up on both boxes and dominating the new one from the ground up too.

[Colgate]

people like jinger ruin this community by baiting people into attacking them and then petitioning them

the sad part is, sirken actually suspends people over bullshit like this

LNS means you loot your corpse and immediately get out of the zone

it doesn't mean buff yourself, med to full, and wait 10 minutes for DA to refresh

[nilbog]

srs question,

why do you think that a new pvp server would end up any different than the current pvp server after a year?



With the same ruleset and playerbase, I believe a new pvp server would result in the same outcome, yes.


Personally, I'm a fan of hardcoded teams, item loot (at least classic->Kunark), and .. really, the best mechanics of the pvp servers.

Whether a new server is made or not, do not put stock into a wipe. Characters are not wiped on p99 servers. Whether they are merged, put into stasis, or whatever, do not expect a wipe.

[SamwiseRed]

With the same ruleset and playerbase, I believe a new pvp server would result in the same outcome, yes.


Personally, I'm a fan of hardcoded teams, item loot (at least classic->Kunark), and .. really, the best mechanics of the pvp servers.

Whether a new server is made or not, do not put stock into a wipe. Characters are not wiped on p99 servers. Whether they are merged, put into stasis, or whatever, do not expect a wipe.

what ever the opposite of cringe is, that is what is on my face

pras

[Tradesonred]

With the same ruleset and playerbase, I believe a new pvp server would result in the same outcome, yes.


Personally, I'm a fan of hardcoded teams, item loot (at least classic->Kunark), and .. really, the best mechanics of the pvp servers.

Whether a new server is made or not, do not put stock into a wipe. Characters are not wiped on p99 servers. Whether they are merged, put into stasis, or whatever, do not expect a wipe.

Teams doesnt work cuz then youd have empire or zerg of the day rolling in one faction, creating a bunch of people who roll on their faction for the winning team and... the poor fuckers who roll something else. You end up with exactly the situation we have right now, but people cant break away and start their own team from the dominant faction. I have not read one single post so far that tries to argument why this isnt the likely outcome of hardcoded teams.

[SamwiseRed]

Eventually it will always be in a situation like this. This is why we want a server that cycles. Nobody cares about hoarding pixels on 15 year old elf sim forever except for psychopaths and druggies. Give people who actually play this for fun a server that wipes. You can even change the ruleset each time. Hard-coded teams would be fun as hell for at least a year.

[Snapple]

With the same ruleset and playerbase, I believe a new pvp server would result in the same outcome, yes.


Personally, I'm a fan of hardcoded teams, item loot (at least classic->Kunark), and .. really, the best mechanics of the pvp servers.

Whether a new server is made or not, do not put stock into a wipe. Characters are not wiped on p99 servers. Whether they are merged, put into stasis, or whatever, do not expect a wipe.

how much work would be involved with opening up a new discord server while we wait for something like a TEAMS based one? Keep it real simple by keeping a hands off approach to GM'ing when it comes to the discord server since its permadeath anyway. Anything goes - 1 item loot and permadeath.

[SamwiseRed]

damn you ames. something like this would make me log back in. fuck bro dat discord server would be the shit.

[Telron]

I never played on a discord server. Sounds fun. I am assuming the permadeath is PVP only? Otherwise some content would be impossible without forcing someone to reroll every time.

I am OK with permadeath though. More time spent PVPing = )

[NegaStoat]

Serious question. The old version of teams with good / neutral / evil didn't work out so well on Live servers for obvious reasons, a huge one being the remote safe leveling of Iksar in their zones and Evils having the OT hammer for raid mobilizing. A later version had teams based off of Religions likewise grouped with good / neutral / evil which had funky things like evil side having Bards (worship Rallos Zek), etc.

With a lot of theorycrafters in the house, what would be the best version of teams (at least 3 teams, minimum) and what evidence would back up your proposed version?

[knix]

people like jinger ruin this community by baiting people into attacking them and then petitioning them

the sad part is, sirken actually suspends people over bullshit like this

LNS means you loot your corpse and immediately get out of the zone

it doesn't mean buff yourself, med to full, and wait 10 minutes for DA to refresh

I didn't bait you, quit lying. I was there under 2 min before you started encouraging your team , I was there for under 5 when i was pvp attacked.

[Systolic]

I didn't bait you, quit lying. I was there under 2 min before you started encouraging your team , I was there for under 5 when i was pvp attacked.

I just want to point out that members of empire's corpses were camped at the bridge that day too. multiple LNS violations were committed, and I know for a fact, being the recipient of one that it was done by TMO.

[Tradesonred]

Eventually it will always be in a situation like this. This is why we want a server that cycles. Nobody cares about hoarding pixels on 15 year old elf sim forever except for psychopaths and druggies. Give people who actually play this for fun a server that wipes. You can even change the ruleset each time. Hard-coded teams would be fun as hell for at least a year.

Id probably play a discord or a non-classic xp rate server, im done doing the classic grind when the payoff is so risky with the amount of toxics that dwell around Red pvp.

[contemptor]

I didn't bait you, quit lying. I was there under 2 min before you started encouraging your team , I was there for under 5 when i was pvp attacked.
5 is too long

[knix]

5 is too long
well, they must have ran out of fingers, while the other hand was busy.

[Colgate]

by your own admission i hailed you and then waited 2-3 minutes before asking you if you were gonna loot and leave

you just sat there

doing literally nothing

instead of actually looting and scooting

...which is the point of the rule

and nowhere does it say you're allowed 10 minutes for DA to refresh; also by your own admission, your screenshot shows you casting DA when valtiel starts attacking you

[BardPop]

server wouldn’t end up any different but the first few months to a year would be fun as hellThis. every casual gamer who wants a wipe is like a junkie who is addicted to the moments where everyone is leveling and new. I don't hate those moments, but once they are over I like to enjoy "real pvp". Personally I think this type of server is not for those people, I believe they should all go play on a casual pvp server with a small population where they can be happy.

[magician]

cringing at people suspended for something stupid like this with no prof

[magician]

GUILTY before PROVEN INNOCENT

[knix]

by your own admission i hailed you and then waited 2-3 minutes before asking you if you were gonna loot and leave

you just sat there

doing literally nothing

instead of actually looting and scooting

...which is the point of the rule

and nowhere does it say you're allowed 10 minutes for DA to refresh; also by your own admission, your screenshot shows you casting DA when valtiel starts attacking you

Bind-point/Corpse Camping and Loot and Scoot (LnS)

Killing someone over and over again while at his or her bind-point or while they are in the process of looting and scooting is illegal and may result in disciplinary action taken against your account.

Conversely, the person recovering their corpse is expected to do so and retreat to safety promptly. In other words, sitting next to your corpse and taunting someone while daring them to attack you so that you can /petition them is bad form, and may result in disciplinary action taken against your account.

A player is 'Looting and Scooting' (LnSing) when he has died to an opponent and opts to call Loot and Scoot. You must make your intentions clear that you are loot and scooting by communicating with the other people in the zone(s) you move through, as well as with the person who killed you, or your LnS claim will not be valid, and you can be killed. You may call Loot and Scoot in any zone after respawning from death so long as you head straight for your corpse. If you need to move across multiple zones in order to Loot and Scoot, you must call LnS as you move through each zone. If a new player enters the zone, you must call Loot and Scoot so they are aware of your intentions. You may not attack or be attacked while Loot and Scooting. After retrieving your corpse, you are allowed a short amount of time to med enough mana to safely get out of the zone (ie, enough for a couple casts of invisibility, FD, or a port spell), memorize those spells, and then must leave the zone immediately for 1 hour. This timer will start after the last person has exited the zone. If multiple players died in PvP and all choose to LnS, they may help each other do so (IE, res each other, drag corpses, port, etc) unless they have already opted out of LnS by fighting after death. After you have left the zone, you are considered to have finished Loot and Scooting, and may again be attacked.

It is not for you to judge now much mana i needed to get out of the zone safely. 5 min of "sitting there" not responding to your harassment, is medding up, so i can have mana to get out of the zone. I was not sitting by my body engaging in insults or harassing you . I needed to go to iceclad or to great divide, cause if i would have zoned into Kael you would have considered me to have been fair game to be pvp again.

[Colgate]

you don't need to med for 10 minutes, DA, and buffs to run across eastern wastes

i literally walked up and saw you sitting next to your naked corpse for several minutes spamming "LNS" instead of actually looting and scooting

fuck off back to blue with this crybaby petitionquest shit

this one was entirely on you

[magician]

15 minutes to refresh + cast your DA, why did you need 15mins to loot and run away?

[Snapple]

Bind-point/Corpse Camping and Loot and Scoot (LnS)

Killing someone over and over again while at his or her bind-point or while they are in the process of looting and scooting is illegal and may result in disciplinary action taken against your account.

Conversely, the person recovering their corpse is expected to do so and retreat to safety promptly. In other words, sitting next to your corpse and taunting someone while daring them to attack you so that you can /petition them is bad form, and may result in disciplinary action taken against your account.

A player is 'Looting and Scooting' (LnSing) when he has died to an opponent and opts to call Loot and Scoot. You must make your intentions clear that you are loot and scooting by communicating with the other people in the zone(s) you move through, as well as with the person who killed you, or your LnS claim will not be valid, and you can be killed. You may call Loot and Scoot in any zone after respawning from death so long as you head straight for your corpse. If you need to move across multiple zones in order to Loot and Scoot, you must call LnS as you move through each zone. If a new player enters the zone, you must call Loot and Scoot so they are aware of your intentions. You may not attack or be attacked while Loot and Scooting. After retrieving your corpse, you are allowed a short amount of time to med enough mana to safely get out of the zone (ie, enough for a couple casts of invisibility, FD, or a port spell), memorize those spells, and then must leave the zone immediately for 1 hour. This timer will start after the last person has exited the zone. If multiple players died in PvP and all choose to LnS, they may help each other do so (IE, res each other, drag corpses, port, etc) unless they have already opted out of LnS by fighting after death. After you have left the zone, you are considered to have finished Loot and Scooting, and may again be attacked.

It is not for you to judge now much mana i needed to get out of the zone safely. 5 min of "sitting there" not responding to your harassment, is medding up, so i can have mana to get out of the zone. I was not sitting by my body engaging in insults or harassing you . I needed to go to iceclad or to great divide, cause if i would have zoned into Kael you would have considered me to have been fair game to be pvp again.

you had enough mana for DA - which you clearly casted ontop of 2-3 heals. You should of left the zone before that, case closed git rekt l8r nerd.

[knix]

15 minutes to refresh + cast your DA, why did you need 15mins to loot and run away?
after i was pvp killed at the zoneline to kael, i popped up at my bind with a mob killing me, naked. so had a pve death i had to rez myself from, so i was low on mana and stamina, and da/db had not yet refreshed from the pvp death when i arrived at body at kael zone. I sat for a little bit naked, then looted up then sat down to mem new spells to prepare to run across gw. I didnt sit there naked the whole time, i did loot.

I had been killed 15 min ago pvp at the same zone line to kael, zone hopped and I knew there was empire guarding the other side of the zone too, so Kael was not an option.

Why do these Empire get to decide how much mana is enough for me to run across ew? I wasn't trying to bait them, i just wanted to get out of the zone. There is no reason why i should have been attacked other than Empire decides they get to do what they want. That mentality has to change, in order for red99 to thrive.

Which brings me back to the essence of this thread. Why isn't this server thriving.



you had enough mana for DA - which you clearly casted ontop of 2-3 heals. You should of left the zone before that, case closed git rekt l8r nerd.
lol, you just made me giggle. enough mana for DA...

[Drakaris]

people like jinger ruin this community by baiting people into attacking them and then petitioning them

the sad part is, sirken actually suspends people over bullshit like this

LNS means you loot your corpse and immediately get out of the zone

it doesn't mean buff yourself, med to full, and wait 10 minutes for DA to refresh

Stop trolling please. We both know jinger isn't a lawyerquester but a frustrated Blue transfer being griefed the fuck out of. Not everyone plays like empire.

[SamwiseRed]

how did this turn into man children crying about being suspended on a 15 year old elf sim where you can just log in on another account? lul

[knix]

Stop trolling please. We both know jinger isn't a lawyerquester but a frustrated Blue transfer being griefed the fuck out of. Not everyone plays like empire.
I am not allowing myself to be trolled too much, I just going to set the record straight. I am kind of surprised that the truth is so much of a threat that he is trying to spin it.

how did this turn into man children crying about being suspended on a 15 year old elf sim where you can just log in on another account? lul

how many toons do i have on this server, ONE, for me there was only one option. So I have to work within the rules, and not think i am above the rules and can be suspended on one char, so i will just play my other 6 alt chars.

[Colgate]

the fact that you petitioned people for attacking you after you sat next to your corpse for 10+ minutes refusing to loot and leave is absurd

[knix]

the fact that you petitioned people for attacking you after you sat next to your corpse for 10+ minutes refusing to loot and leave is absurd

under 5 min and never refused anything. i shouted in the zone LNS, i said in say LNS, i OOC LNS. that is the very nature of loot and scoot, that i was on. you don't get to hover and threaten me.

[SamwiseRed]

ugh colgate turning into the forum syft shitting up all the good threads. take it to pms jesus.

[Colgate]

DA is a 10? 15? minute recast time

you casted DA in the screenshot where valtiel killed you

you were at your corpse for that amount of time

[SamwiseRed]

CSI: Norrath

[Drakaris]

the fact that you petitioned people for attacking you after you sat next to your corpse for 10+ minutes refusing to loot and leave is absurd

Stop lawyer questing out of a legitimate GM ruling. Remember when tune got suspended for 2 months for killing someone rezed into mass pvp due to ambiguous rules? This petition case is pretty clear cut and Jinger doesn't have a shitbag rep like 90% of empire. Plus the fact she quit the server with a dozen other people rather than continue to progress their characters is a true indication that Empires immediate actions as a guild is driving the server pop down. You guys are tyrants and hypocrites, which is why I've been on a campaign to drive your egos down and turn you back into semi-human players I was playing with while the guild was on struggle street.

[knix]

DA is a 10? 15? minute recast time

you casted DA in the screenshot where valtiel killed you

you were at your corpse for that amount of time

Was waiting for it to refresh from meming it after PVP death.
had nothing to do about casting it after i was attacked while on LNS.
You hailed me when i arrived, within 5 min of that HAIL, your guy was on me.
Of course i cast it when he was attacking me, I didn't want to petition, I left blue because of petition quest. I was hoping someone would reign him in and he would stop.

[Ragnaros]

if you are going to leave just stop posting
if you plan on staying
carry on

[Giovanni]

Can we just hardcode a lns mechanic so we don't have to second guess our first cast in pvp?

It feels like certain individuals on the server are playing the "no means no but sometimes yes doesn't mean yes" game when they chose the pvp server at character select hoping for easy pve loot.

This could be a button that pops up after you die in pvp allowing you to respawn right at east commonlands zl with full loot for instance.

[Ragnaros]

yaw pretty fuckin dumb I log In and kill a geared person then have to fear for my account because " they were on lns"
seriously get a fuckin grip

[Colgate]

jinger left blue because of petitionquest, comes to red and bends rules, baiting people and framing them for "violating" rules, then petitions them

and then says she's going back to blue

rofl

[Tradesonred]

CSI: Norrath

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgLAP0_Ef14

[wts]

Doesn't Jinger have an entire quit thread where this could be discussed? But no, let's shit up a thread that has actual discussion on a topic people are interested in. Forum bans sure are selective around here.

Yikes, terribly invested poster here. Obv. not in <empire> and forced to farm KC for another 3 years.

Guy with 4-5 epics tells guy who hasn't played in two years he's "invested." G1. Better stop wasting key clicks here, lardass, you got epics to work on.

Serious question. The old version of teams with good / neutral / evil didn't work out so well on Live servers for obvious reasons, a huge one being the remote safe leveling of Iksar in their zones and Evils having the OT hammer for raid mobilizing. A later version had teams based off of Religions likewise grouped with good / neutral / evil which had funky things like evil side having Bards (worship Rallos Zek), etc.

With a lot of theorycrafters in the house, what would be the best version of teams (at least 3 teams, minimum) and what evidence would back up your proposed version?

Sullon Zek was doomed to failure from the moment it was conceived, and it was all because the logtistics overwhelmingly favored the evil team, making it automatically the team non-pvpers would flock to. Since Sirken and Nilbog are apparently interested in this topic, and Sirken told me to hold my suggestions for teams rulesets until after Velious launch, I'll go ahead and start on a thread for my teams ruleset.

[LulzSect]

willing to bet character delete this jinger chick is like 350lbs IRL with SJW glasses

[knix]

jinger left blue because of petitionquest, comes to red and bends rules, baiting people and framing them for "violating" rules, then petitions them

and then says she's going back to blue

rofl
Not baiting anyone, quit trying to spin it. I never said i was going back to blue, I said You won't enjoy any more Jinger tears because I am leaving red because of Empires continuous and ongoing culture of disregarding server rules, which brings me back to the thread topic.

Enforce the rules of the server, hand out suspensions, players who disregard the rules will be on long suspensions soon, OR will rethink how they want to handle themselves before the guild d/b them. The culture of the guild must change, in order to affect change on the server to encourage more players to join.

[Uuruk]

Not baiting anyone, quit trying to spin it. I never said i was going back to blue, I said You won't enjoy any more Jinger tears because I am leaving red because of Empires continuous and ongoing culture of disregarding server rules, which brings me back to the thread topic.

Enforce the rules of the server, hand out suspensions, players who disregard the rules will be on long suspensions soon, OR will rethink how they want to handle themselves before the guild d/b them. The culture of the guild must change, in order to affect change on the server to encourage more players to join.

How about you follow LNS. Stop staying around trying to bait people. LOOT AND SCOOT. Not sit around cry like a baby and then post a book on the forums because you got killed on a pvp server.

[Tradesonred]

http://s1.postimg.org/op2cij09b/yeah2.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

ya had to ignore the autistics crying about lns in a thread that has nothing to do with it.

swyfts everywhere

[felix7]

Speaking of Empire, I have to tell my little story.

Yesterday my hard hitting and intimidating level 2 Cleric was fighting in misty. I was stoking the fire of pain, 3 mobs on me, no +55 rings here in fact I was naked except for my starter Chest piece & 1HB. Next thing i see is a 20+ Druid (had surname) with an Empire tag killing my mobs. Im like wtf, is he really serious? I read on the forums where people had claimed Empire try to stymie the advancement of all but themselves, but to see it as a level 2 in Misty was something else.

I derive my gaming pleasure from assisting and helping others, not everyone is the same I understand that. But how the premier guild see's positives in KS'n a level 2's mobs leads me to believe they would be happy with a sandbox server of their own.

/vote full red reset.

[TacoSmasher]

Speaking of Empire, I have to tell my little story.

Yesterday my hard hitting and intimidating level 2 Cleric was fighting in misty. I was stoking the fire of pain, 3 mobs on me, no +55 rings here in fact I was naked except for my starter Chest piece & 1HB. Next thing i see is a 20+ Druid (had surname) with an Empire tag killing my mobs. Im like wtf, is he really serious? I read on the forums where people had claimed Empire try to stymie the advancement of all but themselves, but to see it as a level 2 in Misty was something else.

I derive my gaming pleasure from assisting and helping others, not everyone is the same I understand that. But how the premier guild see's positives in KS'n a level 2's mobs leads me to believe they would be happy with a sandbox server of their own.

/vote full red reset.


i call bs. got prof? or even a nameto go with this accusation?

velly is released, no one is sitting around ksing your large rats.

shut up

[Giovanni]

Speaking of Empire, I have to tell my little story.

Yesterday my hard hitting and intimidating level 2 Cleric was fighting in misty. I was stoking the fire of pain, 3 mobs on me, no +55 rings here in fact I was naked except for my starter Chest piece & 1HB. Next thing i see is a 20+ Druid (had surname) with an Empire tag killing my mobs. Im like wtf, is he really serious? I read on the forums where people had claimed Empire try to stymie the advancement of all but themselves, but to see it as a level 2 in Misty was something else.

I derive my gaming pleasure from assisting and helping others, not everyone is the same I understand that. But how the premier guild see's positives in KS'n a level 2's mobs leads me to believe they would be happy with a sandbox server of their own.

/vote full red reset.

Level 2 untwinked with 3 mobs on them. They probably thought that they were helping you out from dying to mobs.

[felix7]

Instantly reinvis, I ask and get no reply. He's buffing someone killing guards. Druids who help generally give a nub sow, unless they're competing for mobs.

No, he didn't help. And if I had even a fraction of doubt I wouldn't of typed what I wrote.

TacoSmasher: Thanks mate, you're the sort of wanker im glad I don't share a server with. Calling me a lier? Perhaps if you stopped smashing Taco's up your ass you wouldn't spew so much shit.

[Doors]

Kael on first night, not sure what you expected. Shouldn't have been within 10 miles of that zone.

I've killed people on LNS sitting at that corpses spying for 10 minutes. Never had a problem getting suspied. Not sure why this was acted on so fast hmmm.

[Gardur]

Eq is a persistent game, that's why it's so awesome.

History is so deep here and rivalries so strong that everyone would just tag back up their respective guilds and Empire would still rule with numbers.

Gear gap would be eliminated, sure, but Holo didn't start with a huge gear advantage.

Start a new box using the sister server model (shorter than two year timeline) might work. I'm personally most excited about the teams box they've been talking about.

Don't wipe it. Start a donation drive to start and upkeep another.

[Sosa_Chamberlain]

wipes suck and is just asking for additional PvE content so you can keep recamping the same items over and over

its sick

yall sick

[felix7]

[Sat Aug 08 14:53:31 2015] Warzone slashes a bixie for 29 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:31 2015] a bixie has been slain by Warzone!
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:31 2015] Your faction standing with GuardiansoftheVale got better.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:31 2015] Your faction standing with StoneHiveBixies got worse.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:31 2015] a bixie 's lifeless corpse drops to the ground.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:32 2015] a spiderling has taken 2 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:32 2015] Your Flame Lick spell has worn off.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:32 2015] Warzone steps into the shadows and disappears.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:32 2015] You crush a spiderling for 3 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:34 2015] A spiderling bites YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:35 2015] You try to crush a spiderling, but miss!
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:37 2015] A spiderling bites YOU for 4 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:38 2015] You try to crush a spiderling, but miss!
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:40 2015] A spiderling bites YOU for 4 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:40 2015] Warzone slashes a spiderling for 101 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:40 2015] a spiderling has been slain by Warzone!
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:41 2015] Warzone steps into the shadows and disappears.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:45 2015] Chaffinater says out of character, 'WTS Green Silken Drape Executioners Hood PST Interested in cleric trades'
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:47 2015] Yield looks scared.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:50 2015] You may not loot this corpse at this time.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:52 2015] You may not loot this corpse at this time.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:53 2015] You may not loot this corpse at this time.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:55 2015] You may not loot this corpse at this time.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:56 2015] Beastagor says out of character, 'poor fandango just offs himself as soon as I zone in'
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:56 2015] You may not loot this corpse at this time.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:58 2015] You may not loot this corpse at this time.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:58 2015] You may not loot this corpse at this time.
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:59 2015] Beastagor says out of character, 'leaves all his pals to die'
[Sat Aug 08 14:53:59 2015] You may not loot this corpse at this time.
[Sat Aug 08 14:54:03 2015] You no longer have a target.
[Sat Aug 08 14:54:07 2015] You say, 'lol, ks?'
[Sat Aug 08 14:54:11 2015] You say, 'meanie'


I had no intention to post this as I really didn't give a shit. But as you challenged my honesty, here it is. Warzone trolling a noob. To me, that and your instantly aggressive response sums up my experience with your guild.

[wts]

Looks like staff already has teams pretty well hammered out.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2i1i5qv.jpg

[Swish]

Looks like staff already has teams pretty well hammered out.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2i1i5qv.jpg

I like it.

[wts]

ya had to ignore the autistics crying about lns in a thread that has nothing to do with it.

swyfts everywhere

Good idea.

[NegaStoat]

Looks like staff already has teams pretty well hammered out.

I would play the shit out of that.

Agreed that Good & Evil have access to best heals / best slows (cleric + shaman) and the demihumans don't... That's an issue. Giving Bards and/or Enchanters a racial specific quest spell that matches the Shaman slow isn't a good answer either. Best of luck figuring that one out.

I'm also curious if Kunark would be at server launch for Iksar, or if that would have the mandatory wait time for progression. Evils would start off slow for sure, only to get a massive shot in the arm once the Kunark release date was met.

[Glasken]

Looks like staff already has teams pretty well hammered out.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2i1i5qv.jpg

Looks good.

Will play.


Serious question in such a server: how to maintain balance between the three teams?

Shammy slows.
OT Hammer
Evils getting starting cities with high level loot bags in their backyard.

I tend to play DEs and Trolls as my go-to races, but evils, especially with Kunark, got a big advantage on such a server.

Its a pipe dream, but I'd love to play on a balanced version of such a server.

[hammbone]

Looks like staff already has teams pretty well hammered out.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2i1i5qv.jpg

This is silly/doomed to fail with clear late game winner as MEN. Shorties and evil will lead the early-mid game, then MEN will emerge to claim victory as the other sides lack required classes to do some of the content. Shorties and evil will get occasional end-game mobs in Kunark but be severely limited. Neither side will be capable of doing end-game Velious.

[DRAGONBAIT]

tallon zek worked in a way maybe u aint thinking here, teams server thats it what tallon zek was. at lower lvls u just stuck to your zones/races and u were good, meet people like if it was a blue server and lvl up, from time to time u could wonder in the lands of the enemy races for some pvp, or they could come to yours and everyone started using shout and gathered to push them back, it was a lot of fun, darkies against humans on nektulos, shorties against elves on gfay and crushbone etc, it was damn fun, it makes the lower lvls easier on a pvp environment cos not everyone is kos and not all zones are dangerous. But then u get to high-end, u just joined the best guild you could, having lighties, darkies, shorties etc. Then when high-end pvp happened it was a mess all around, i remember playing in xanadu, fighting sanctimony in some place of luclin, pdm came to help them and indig to help us, it was a big fight across many zones, i remember that in the zone i ended fighting we ended up only darkies, noone from indignation could hit a pandemonium, or xanadu or sanctimony, all darkies, weird as fuck but that happened. Just throwin in how teams worked back in the day, not perfect at high-end but how the low-end part worked was AMAZING. you are changing everything here and i dont think thats neccesary

[DRAGONBAIT]

im thinkin that if red was a teams server many of the issues we have could be gone.

[hammbone]

im thinkin that if red was a teams server many of the issues we have could be gone.

once the MEN get on top there would be no stopping them. While skill does count in EQ, gear more than makes up for the delta. Once MEN get geared and start end-game, shorts/evils will realize they never had a candle of hope from the start and we'll be in the exact same situation.

-shorts lack of FD means they will have trouble breaking planes, dragons, etc.
-evils lack of bards means they too will have serious trouble getting through AE dragons, etc. and never be able to do all VP dragons/Tunare

[wts]

That's why evil won Tallon Zek and it took human/shortie/elf teams working together to keep evil from winning Vallon Zek, right? Humans totally dominate.

[hammbone]

That's why evil won Tallon Zek and it took all human/shortie/elf teams working together to keep evil from winning Vallon Zek, right? Humans totally dominate.

check your facts big dog

[wts]

Well, since I organized the light alliance on Vallon Zek and the three team vs. evil dynamic lasted until Defiant invited evils right before Zek merge, I'm not sure what I'm missing here.

[hammbone]

Depending on which zek you are being a try hard about, all sides had access to bards for a damn good reasons.

[Bazia]

teams is dumb, cross teaming would be a thing day one

[wts]

If you're going to correct somebody, it helps to know what the fuck you are talking about. The only time evil team had bards was on Sullon Zek.

teams is dumb, cross teaming would be a thing day one

http://www.feelsengine.com/var/resizes/Facepalm/Star%20Trek%20Double%20Facepalm.jpg?m=1384231790

Hard coded teams confirmed.

[Bazia]

yeah im sure that will be a thing

[hammbone]

If you're going to correct somebody, it helps to know what the fuck you are talking about. The only time evil team had bards was on Sullon Zek.


you're missing the point - in previous boxes evil team was like 70% of the server. Bards were introduced for a reason. If you pop limit sides on a team server and remove core progression skill sets you're going to end up with the same result.

To create longevity, the core issue to resolve is he with the longest beard wins the box. PvP with item loot and no drop flags removed can help address this and the transfer of power. If you don't give all sides access to bards, group pvp is not going to be fair. If you don't give all sides access to FD, content progression isn't going to be fair.

[hammbone]

you're missing the point - in previous boxes evil team was like 70% of the server. Bards were introduced for a reason. If you pop limit sides on a team server and remove core progression skill sets you're going to end up with the same result.

To create longevity, the core issue to resolve is he with the longest beard wins the box. PvP with item loot and no drop flags removed can help address this and the transfer of power. If you don't give all sides access to bards, group pvp is not going to be fair. If you don't give all sides access to FD, content progression isn't going to be fair.

For example: If a guild doesn't have a beard power to take down Yulak, they could obtain it from PvP by killing the beard with the item.

[DeadlyReza]

I think the solution here would be to try blue, or wait for the blue recycle server, it's like a clean slate and you get an alt or main at the end :)