Excellent Siren Scale not dropping

[Alanus]

I have killed a lot of sirens in CS. Seen zero scales. They are rare, but not that rare.

[Ele]

They were dropping during Beta.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172555&highlight=excellent+siren

How many is a lot?


http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5473

Yes, they are very rare, and No Drop. I was helping a Guild member get some Item's for the 6th shawl quest in Thurg. and we were killing these sirens. I think we saw a total of 2 scales drop in the time that we were out there, 7 hours or so.

This can drop in Siren's Grotto and is very rare. Killed about 100 and only saw 1 drop.

It might not be rare in Cobalt Scar. Havent tried killing them for it there. So might be common in CS.

[Freakish]

Someone in guild said they got one.

[Alanus]

I killed probably 50-60 within past few days. Someone else said they killed a bunch, too, and never saw any.

[Freakish]

I've spoken with others who have farmed the zone, and over the course of 4 days of 6-8 hour farming only 3 scales have dropped.

They should be rare, but not this rare.

[Skydash]

I've found 3 scales in a very short time of killing sirens in CS.

I think it might be more common in SG?? Not sure though.

[Alanus]

Was this updated? I got 2 in about 6 hours so far today which is about the correct drop rate

[maximum]

Got several excellent siren scales last night (before the patch).

[Pufferfish]

Year ago, I did this quest several times on live with multiple characters. I can tell you for a fact that the Excellent Siren Scales were NOT THIS RARE.

First of all, I am pretty sure that they dropped from any Siren, not just the Siren Enticer.

Second of all, it didn't take me 6 hours to find 1 scale. They were uncommon, but not like this. I've already gone 36% into my level killing Siren's, and just 1 scale so far. This did not happen on EQ Live, I guarantee.

Look at the comments on Allakazam
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5473

Camped the four sirens by the SS zone in for eight hours solo with my chanter. Two hairs and eleven scales dropped.

i saw 7 in under 1 hour was looking for hairs killed 18 sirens got my hair on last 2 mobs

Got 3 in one hour hunting for Siren Hair. Not rare.

On Project 1999, the Excellent Siren Scales are rarer than the Siren Hair. That's definitely not right.

[evilkorn]

Maybe they took the drop rate of 6% from magelo (http://eq.magelo.com/item/25109).

They are really rare though, maybe it's the level difference, but they seemed more common outside. But my logs are too old to look back and find specifics.

[Man0warr]

They probably did use Magelo. Problem with Magelo is i'm pretty sure it only tracks it as dropping if its looted.

[Buellen]

On Eqmac

I got two scales in 3 to 4 hours of clearing various sirens.

[Pufferfish]

I went back onto EQ Live to test out my theory. And yeah, the Excellent Siren Scales are a lot more common. Only a few hours did I spend there, and Siren Scales galore.

Confirmed that Excellent Siren Scales do indeed drop off of every type of Siren in the zone, not just the enticer's. I have a feeling that the Project 1999 database is based on the info on Allakazam, which has always been incorrect. (Note though that Excellent Siren Scales are more common on siren enticer's)

http://s8.postimg.org/l9yygtnf7/Enchantress_with_scales.jpg

The really big difference I noticed though is the spawn rate of the Siren Enticers, which drop the Excellent Siren Scales much more often. Now there are 3 different types of sirens that can spawn in Cobalt Scar.

On EQ Live - a siren enticer is the common placeholder, a siren seductress and a siren enchantress are the uncommon spawn.

On Project 1999- a siren enchantress is the common spawn, a siren seductress is the slightly less common spawn, and a siren enticer is the rare spawn.

It's not just slightly off, the different spawn rates for the different sirens is huge between the two servers. The much larger spawn rate for siren enticer's is most likely what contributes to the much higher drop rate of Excellent Siren Scales

Now I know these tests are on the current version of the game, and not EQ from 13 years ago. But I'm pretty sure that they didn't change the siren spawn type's in Cobalt Scar in all this time. The classic comments on Allakazam would back up this theory.

http://s9.postimg.org/q5s40f4h9/Tracking_Siren_s.jpg