P99 a Classic Server?

[sabersyii]

If P99 is making everyone use Classic Character models because its a classic server then we all should have to use the Classic UI as well then.

[Daldaen]

We can dream!

Once they require that UI many issues on the server will be resolved. One of the best things about classic EQ was the client/restrictions of the UI!

[Swish]

I have an old top heavy 17 inch CRT monitor ready to go

[Ele]

Yes, Please, Thank you.

[captnamazing]

please

[nyclin]

We also need to ensure that people aren't using a broadband connection to achieve non-classic levels of bandwidth. Limit all client transmissions to and from the P99 servers to 2.5kb/sec, and disable server-side filtering until it is added on the classic timeline:

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010327.html

"Added server-side filtering for chat and combat messages. This will allow you to turn off guild chat, shouts, auctions, oocs, 'my misses', 'others misses', 'others hits', 'attacker misses me', PC spells (all options), NPC spells and Bard songs (all options) at the server instead of at the client. This can reduce that amount of data sent to you over your connection, and can help those with slower connections with better performance and connectivity."

[Ele]

We also need to ensure that people aren't using a broadband connection to achieve non-classic levels of bandwidth. Limit all client transmissions to and from the P99 servers to 2.5kb/sec,

cable modems (https://web.archive.org/web/20010802054603/http://afterlifeguild.org/?page=joining) or ISDN lines (https://web.archive.org/web/20001023015341/http://www.afterlifeguild.org/?page=joining) were available back then and notorious requirements for uber guilds.

[Rararboker]

Yeah I had a sweet connection during classic. If I had had a better computer then I could have joined a more advanced guild. Just depended on where you lived. San diego had high speed available through a lot of is various counties.

[nyclin]

cable modems (https://web.archive.org/web/20010802054603/http://afterlifeguild.org/?page=joining) or ISDN lines (https://web.archive.org/web/20001023015341/http://www.afterlifeguild.org/?page=joining) were available back then and notorious requirements for uber guilds.

So limit it to 10kb/sec instead, which was probably about the average throughput rate in 2000 and 2001. Server side filtering would still need to go.

Also they relaxed their connection requirements between 2000 (ISDN link) and 2001 (cable modems link). Obviously ISDN and Cable modems were not required after server-side filtering was implemented.

Keep it classic; remove server-side filtering and rate-limit connections.

[Rararboker]

I was able to download multiple movies at a time. Get of of here with your weak memory and weaker internet connections.

[Tehwoot]

People played on 56k?

[Portasaurus]

Phew it had almost been 24 whole hours without another one of these threads!

[nyclin]

I was able to download multiple movies at a time. Get of of here with your weak memory and weaker internet connections.

your experience isn't necessarily the same as everyone else who was playing at the time.. many people who lived outside of urban areas never had access to ISDN or cable connections in the early 2000's

disable server-side filtering and rate-limit connections for a true classic experience. also the client should verify that you are not using a 16:9 or 16:10 resolution as this provides more horizontal viewing area than would have been available on a 4:3 monitor in 2001

[rollin5k]

I had cable in classic. Lamest argument ever. If they forced old ui and started the recycle server I would consider quitting my job.

[iruinedyourday]

I am not scared of this change

[jarshale]

They would if they could. QQ more op.

[Ele]

I had cable in classic. Lamest argument ever. If they forced old ui and started the recycle server I would consider quitting my job.

Now we're talking.

[Thulack]

If P99 is making everyone use Classic Character models because its a classic server then we all should have to use the Classic UI as well then.

I know you are trying to be funny but the dev's have stated that if they were able to make this possible they would have. They make classic what they can.

[Danth]

also the client should verify that you are not using a 16:9 or 16:10 resolution as this provides more horizontal viewing area than would have been available on a 4:3 monitor in 2001

No, it doesn't. I assumed the same thing you did until I learned otherwise. Only the vertical field of view changes; the horizontal field of view is fixed. See thread here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168542. Point being: On our present client, using a widescreen resolution actually decreases your overall field of view, in spite of what you can see appearing larger.

Danth

[Iniamyen]

We also need to ensure that people aren't using a broadband connection to achieve non-classic levels of bandwidth. Limit all client transmissions to and from the P99 servers to 2.5kb/sec, and disable server-side filtering until it is added on the classic timeline:

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010327.html

"Added server-side filtering for chat and combat messages. This will allow you to turn off guild chat, shouts, auctions, oocs, 'my misses', 'others misses', 'others hits', 'attacker misses me', PC spells (all options), NPC spells and Bard songs (all options) at the server instead of at the client. This can reduce that amount of data sent to you over your connection, and can help those with slower connections with better performance and connectivity."

I remember when this change was implemented on live. One of the Velious dragons was the first raid that I remember doing afterwards, and at the time I was thinking "holy shit! is this what raids are supposed to be? this is awesome!" I was used to going linkdead all the time, but I was a mage so it didn't matter anyway.

[webrunner5]

PLEASE have this thread deleted!!!! :D I don't like the UI and never will!!!! :mad:

[nyclin]

No, it doesn't. I assumed the same thing you did until I learned otherwise. Only the vertical field of view changes; the horizontal field of view is fixed. See thread here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168542. Point being: On our present client, using a widescreen resolution actually decreases your overall field of view, in spite of what you can see appearing larger.

Danth

interesting! shows me - I should put more effort into researching my troll posts =P

[patperson]

I jumped on way after the classic UI when I played live... just looked at some screenshots and I dunno... I like my big fullscreen set at custom resolution. :D

[LulzSect]

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/home/gallery/2001/12/images/aowdead_1.jpg

[douglas1999]

Gotta love a good "Why do the devs pick and choose classic features at their leisure since they could totally replicate 1999 everquest 100% perfectly if they wanted to and are in no way hindered by technical limitations related to the interaction of modern hardware and software with the relatively ancient everquest client" thread!!

[sabersyii]

Shouldn't all casters be looking at their books while medding? When was this removed?

well forget that here is another question.

Why do half the mobs in the Everfrost starting area just stand still and not move? This isn't classic and yet I have been on other private servers that have this working. I would think this would be far more important to fix vs what someone sees on their own screen.

[Hailto]

Stop making these stupid threads. Goal is to make the server as classic as possible, devs have said countless times they would force classic UI if they could, but they can't. They can however force Classic Models so they did it, deal with it.

[jarshale]

Shouldn't all casters be looking at their books while medding? When was this removed?

well forget that here is another question.

Why do half the mobs in the Everfrost starting area just stand still and not move? This isn't classic and yet I have been on other private servers that have this working. I would think this would be far more important to fix vs what someone sees on their own screen.

Submit a bug report for it then

[Agecroft]

People played on 56k?

Early on I did. My parents used to yell at me when they didnt get calls for hours on end...ahh memories.

[Monty405]

Early on I did. My parents used to yell at me when they didnt get calls for hours on end...ahh memories.

I did too until mid-kunark'ish. Getting DSL and not using up the family phone line was the greatest thing ever.

[Laugher]

Iirc I read somewhere on these forums a post by Nilbog saying that if he could he would enforce the classic ui/no Luclin models, fwiw I would pack your bags if you're honestly angry over this. Given that there's 4 other posts on similar subject(s) between here and rnf though I have to assume someone’s just trolling at this point.

[Ele]

Shouldn't all casters be looking at their books while medding? When was this removed?

Opening to October 1999 - All casters 1-50 had to open spellbook and press the meditate button.

October 1999 (http://web.archive.org/web/20000918121745/http://www.graffe.com/home/October31st.htm) - Players level 35 and higher no longer need to open spellbook and press the meditate button.

August 30, 2000 (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000830.html) - No longer have to manually press the "Meditate" button in your spell book to meditate.

March 29, 2002 (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020319.html) - Spell casters no longer need to see their spell book when meditating. Once a character has the meditation skill, it will function when the character is sitting down.

[Daldaen]

Out of habit, every caster I have has hotkey #7 as spell book. None of them have sit (except Necro cause FD, and that's a different hotkey).

I never med out of the spell book. People tend to achieve maximum rustle when trying to trade with me while I meditation. Sorry guy, I'm meditating, I need mana and cannot be distracted for your trade.

#stayimmersed.

[Iniamyen]

Early on I did. My parents used to yell at me when they didnt get calls for hours on end...ahh memories.

I played on a 28.8 (connecting at 26.4)! You decadent pigs and your 56k modems!

[myriverse]

I played on a 28.8 (connecting at 26.4)! You decadent pigs and your 56k modems!
Had a 56k modem, but most times AOHell wouldn't get better than 30k speeds.

[Frieza_Prexus]

If P99 is making everyone use Classic Character models because its a classic server then we all should have to use the Classic UI as well then.

http://i.imgur.com/nT1TivF.gif

Out of habit, every caster I have has hotkey #7 as spell book. None of them have sit (except Necro cause FD, and that's a different hotkey).

I never med out of the spell book.

#stayimmersed.

Praise and Glory to Nilbog. Forgive us of our unclassicness, and deliver us from Luclin models.

http://i.imgur.com/IzUJtUA.gif

[Tiewon Shu]

Stop making these stupid threads. Goal is to make the server as classic as possible, devs have said countless times they would force classic UI if they could, but they can't. They can however force Classic Models so they did it, deal with it.


If they can make a check for classic models they can make a check for the UI. Both are .txt files. You were saying?

[milsorgen]

Opening to October 1999 - All casters 1-50 had to open spellbook and press the meditate button.

October 1999 (http://web.archive.org/web/20000918121745/http://www.graffe.com/home/October31st.htm) - Players level 35 and higher no longer need to open spellbook and press the meditate button.

August 30, 2000 (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000830.html) - No longer have to manually press the "Meditate" button in your spell book to meditate.

March 29, 2002 (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020319.html) - Spell casters no longer need to see their spell book when meditating. Once a character has the meditation skill, it will function when the character is sitting down.

That's really whats wrong with this server, a lack of adherence to the classic meding timeline.

[Ele]

That's really whats wrong with this server, a lack of adherence to the classic meding timeline.

Certainly ruined my immersion being able to see what was happening while medding.

:(

[Castcalm]

So why is post-upgrade loot already dropping in velious raids?

[douglas1999]

So why is post-upgrade loot already dropping in velious raids?

My guess would be it's a mistake and whatever those drops are will be nerfed\reverted as necessary.

[Ele]

So why is post-upgrade loot already dropping in velious raids?

Need to ask the unpaid, volunteer devs and bug reporters if they wanted to focus on hammering out different versions of hundreds of items across several patches or devote time to bigger issues with the impending release of Velious.

Finding the original stats on some of the items and placing them in the appropriate spot of the time line will take another 100+ hours of research and then data entry and flagging within the database.

There is also the pre-upgrade Velious quest armor, which is nearly undocumented as far as stats go since they only lasted for a few weeks.

I have a spreadsheet that is about 25-30% done of ToV, Kael, and ST items.

Would you like to help?

[Castcalm]

Oh, so it's too hard to research the proper loot drops, so we'll just give the raiders what they want on day one.

The wizards who want ports and translocates though, they have to wait a month or farm wurms in GD because that was nice and easy for Ele & crew to figure out.

What raid guild are you in?

[Ele]

Oh, so it's too hard to research the proper loot drops, so we'll just give the raiders what they want on day one.

The wizards who want ports and translocates though, they have to wait a month or farm wurms in GD because that was nice and easy for Ele & crew to figure out.

What raid guild are you in?

Someone's jimmies are rustled.

Easy fixes are easy.

[Castcalm]

It's just awfully convenient how the "easy" fixes are the ones that directly benefit you.

[Ele]

It's just awfully convenient how the "easy" fixes are the ones that directly benefit you.

I've nerfed myself numerous time brohem. Don't start that with me.

[Castcalm]

You're right, it's not just about you personally. However, surely you can understand how frustrating it is to be a non-raider and see the raiders enjoying a non-classic timeline while my wizard gets the shaft, so to speak. The "it's classic" argument kind of breaks down. It's hard not to see that as unfair.

[Daldaen]

It's just awfully convenient how the "easy" fixes are the ones that directly benefit you.

The easy fixes happen to be directly quoted in patch notes. Something anyone can CTRL+F for in the Tski database.

Whereas the timelines for item upgrades are rarely mentioned in patch notes. You have to check each individual item, by going through several guild's archived updated and hope they have screenshots or go through several captures of the item listed on Everlore, Allakhazam, EQStratic, etc. Checking to see when the stats changed and to what.

... It is quite clear why one was implemented and the other was not. Please do not complain about what Velious is like if you were not one of those researching or beta testing. I get rather annoyed by people complaining about the state of things at launch when they made no effort themselves to bug report or beta test over the more than 1 year the beta server sat up.

[captnamazing]

Lmao @ Castcalm getting mad @ Ele about various states of classic. Ele is a paragon of classic. He is a prophet upon whose linen robes our filthy fingers cling for a taste of the Absolution that is Classic. Repent of your ways O' Sad Sack Frog, or take this to RNF where we will joust with words

[captnamazing]

On another note, p99 not classic because


NO CASINOS

[nyclin]

You're right, it's not just about you personally. However, surely you can understand how frustrating it is to be a non-raider and see the raiders enjoying a non-classic timeline while my wizard gets the shaft, so to speak. The "it's classic" argument kind of breaks down. It's hard not to see that as unfair.

your wizard can med without a book, which is an enhancement that does not occur within the timeline of P99

you are benefiting directly from a non-classic feature

[Castcalm]

The easy fixes happen to be directly quoted in patch notes. Something anyone can CTRL+F for in the Tski database.

Whereas the timelines for item upgrades are rarely mentioned in patch notes. You have to check each individual item, by going through several guild's archived updated and hope they have screenshots or go through several captures of the item listed on Everlore, Allakhazam, EQStratic, etc. Checking to see when the stats changed and to what.

... It is quite clear why one was implemented and the other was not. Please do not complain about what Velious is like if you were not one of those researching or beta testing. I get rather annoyed by people complaining about the state of things at launch when they made no effort themselves to bug report or beta test over the more than 1 year the beta server sat up.

The issue with wizard spells was a mistake on Verant/SOE's part. It was fixed with time.

The issue with loot drops in various velious raids not being appropriate (or being totally left out, such as PoG) was a mistake on Verant/SOE's part. It was fixed with time.

Why are we making a difference between them, when doing so will cause a discrepancy that favors certain players over others?

It doesn't make any sense.

[Kesselring]

We should be able to run trains too, I remember back playing live I would run trains on newbies all the time and GM's would come over because the newbies would petition and they'd sit there and laugh with me and be like "this is actually the best game mechanic ever" and one time a GM egged me on to train a party because they were being dicks when we petitioned saying so. He showed up and said "well just train that party, they'll wipe and prolly not come back due to extreme frustration".

The live GM's were all players too, but they never told anybody which players they were, it was good times back on EQ Live.

[Rickson]

We should be able to run trains too, I remember back playing live I would run trains on newbies all the time and GM's would come over because the newbies would petition and they'd sit there and laugh with me and be like "this is actually the best game mechanic ever" and one time a GM egged me on to train a party because they were being dicks when we petitioned saying so. He showed up and said "well just train that party, they'll wipe and prolly not come back due to extreme frustration".

The live GM's were all players too, but they never told anybody which players they were, it was good times back on EQ Live.

I remember being a newbie wizard in Nektulos minding my business meditating in my spellbook and all of a sudden getting smashed by like 4 or 5 skeletons from someone's train. Even though it was frustrating at times, it became an expectation of the game, and it was hilarious. When did that get removed? Is it something to do with the client, or did it actually get removed from p99? I would love to see that game mechanic again even though I know I will get frustrated from time to time.

[milsorgen]

your wizard can med without a book, which is an enhancement that does not occur within the timeline of P99

you are benefiting directly from a non-classic feature

That oversight is the #1 problem on these servers today. I can barely bring myself to play as a caster since total immersion is impossible without forced book medding.