Red Tips

[Cruger]

Hey guys, so I've been playing a bit recently after the coming back from Ragefire, call me spoilt but after levelling 4 characters to 50 there and coming back here where it is horrendously slower than Live, I figured I'd give Red a shot. This kinda works for me on a few levels, my favourite classes are ranger and paladin, which I'd imagine are the the worst classes on Blue, but probably two of the most OP classes in pvp.

Only problem is there seems to be very little to no tips / guides / advice for pvp; as in tips on actually pvping, things to note, gear and stats to stack and useful clickies / pots and the like. Is there even a link to outside sources that could give me a 'checklist' or sorts? I'd assume that I may even want to adjust my character stats on creation for pvp (and probably min max too).

I don't even know where to begin! Please help!

[JOCKJAMS]

there are 2 dif types of pvp. dueling is different than fighting for raid mobs. pallies i guess never die, but i don't think i've ever seen more than maybe two. their stuns don't land in pvp. they are good in velios as group-wide heals i guess. dex rangers will stomp casters in velios because of stun proc bow, but they're not worth if you don't have twink gear. best track in game though, and sortable. bard and druid don't get that. it's good for pvp and tracking named mobs.

essentially the idea is that casters dominate melee's that don't have resists and clickies. clickies are spammable junk buffs that you can use to cover your real buffs. magic resist will stop you from getting rooted, snared, stunned, blinded, etc. if you want to roll a melee you absolutely need resist gear, jboots, clickies, etc. rogues basically require an epic. a ranger could bridge the gap by having sow, but he'll still want jboots and clickies to pvp at all.

i would roll an ikky necro or a druid to start. the necro is best solo farm in game, so you can just solo decent drops all day. druid can farm some camps, but not like necro. druids can still farm until full and port to a bank to deposit. i personally rolled a druid first so i can farm gear for alts, pass gear between alts, and bring group members to alts. it's kind of a 'light at the end of the tunnel' approach, but so far i've twinked a few alts and the druid has paid for the time investment. alternatively, you can start a toon and just get into a guild. a good way to do this is to roll a cleric. it doesn't matter how bad your gear is, every guild wants a cleric, and every guild that legit needs a cleric will port you where ever and might even gear you if they think you will stick around.

What class are you thinking about?

[webrunner5]

A Pally is about one of the worse classes on Red. :( Yeah they are hard to kill, but they can't kill anyone either. :eek: So not much use to play on a PvP.

[Cruger]

I was thinking a hybrid or priest, with the xp bonus it makes playing a hybrid less painful. I've never been a fan of robes and I despise the old ikky models. Cleric could be an option then I guess, the only issue I see with that is levelling when you can't do a lot to protect yourself -.- as far as twinking goes, is it hard to buy/sell without being 'setup'?

[Pipip]

Most fights start off with dispels. If someone doesn't sufficiently pad themselves with junk buffs, and you manage to dispel their important buffs, it becomes a huge advantage (or disadvantage if you're the one who lost your sow). Pumice stones give even non-casting classes the ability to dispel, but they're not instant, so you generally use them on someone that you get the jump on.

Don't expect people to stand still like mobs. Some people will gate out, some people will run, some will plug (basically killing their internet connection to avoid a death), and some will fight back. You never know what you're going to get, which is part of the excitement vs a completely scripted encounter.

There are some tricks that you'll see people use in pvp that you'll rarely see in pve. Jousting, corner casting, people using guards to their advantage, the list goes on. I thought of typing up a quick guide for people switching from blue just so they're not completely blindsided, but laziness always wins out.

Always assume that people will use every advantage they can. Some people have some vague notion of "honorable" fights, but those rules only exist in your own head, so don't expect people to follow them. The other day someone killed me after the mob I was fighting beat me to about 20% health. That's not something to complain about, they were just being smart.

See you out there :)

[webrunner5]

Most fights start off with dispels. If someone doesn't sufficiently pad themselves with junk buffs, and you manage to dispel their important buffs, it becomes a huge advantage (or disadvantage if you're the one who lost your sow). Pumice stones give even non-casting classes the ability to dispel, but they're not instant, so you generally use them on someone that you get the jump on.

Don't expect people to stand still like mobs. Some people will gate out, some people will run, some will plug (basically killing their internet connection to avoid a death), and some will fight back. You never know what you're going to get, which is part of the excitement vs a completely scripted encounter.

There are some tricks that you'll see people use in pvp that you'll rarely see in pve. Jousting, corner casting, people using guards to their advantage, the list goes on. I thought of typing up a quick guide for people switching from blue just so they're not completely blindsided, but laziness always wins out.

Always assume that people will use every advantage they can. Some people have some vague notion of "honorable" fights, but those rules only exist in your own head, so don't expect people to follow them. The other day someone killed me after the mob I was fighting beat me to about 20% health. That's not something to complain about, they were just being smart.

See you out there :)

Great advice to newer people on Red. Well done. :cool:

[Cruger]

Oh wow this sound brutal but fun. Well fun if you have some back up incase you end up getting griefed! So say I wanted to play a priest, is it advisable to get survivability stats or standard mana pool or a mix of both? Are there reputable tradeskillers that can produce some basic armor and resist gear? Here is the killer and probably the make or break for me. Droppable gear they can loot if they defeat you right? Is there any way to prevent this? I think starting out it could be horrendous getting your basic banded or half decent weapon or hp rings nicked 15 min after a drop or purchase... The combat side of things with dirty tactics is the thrilling part, losing hours or days of money/gear is alarming.

[Pipip]

Unfortunately no, you cannot loot someone's gear, just their coin. To protect yourself, regularly either bank your money, or go to a gem vendor and buy gems. That way they can't get anything if you die.

People regularly trade in gems rather than coin. The peridot is the most common form of gems that people use as currency, since it's close to 10 plat per peridot, depending on charisma. Gargoyle eyes are also approximately 10 plat, but vendors don't have unlimited supplies of those.

Hitpoints and resists are always good. I actually carry separate mana gear to switch into when I need more mana. If you run out of mana, you go meditate. If you run out of hitpoints, it's time for a corpse run.

[Cruger]

All great tips, you guys have really come through. The last worry that I have is that I'm Irish and play on euro times. Late in the evening the numbers are pretty good, a solid 400+ but if I have a day off and log in during the day it's closer to 190 or so. I thought how many of those are afk/mules? Is there even a single euro guild like Europa on blue?

[Damn]

A Pally is about one of the worse classes on Red. :( Yeah they are hard to kill, but they can't kill anyone either. :eek: So not much use to play on a PvP.

Maybe a paladin in full bronze without his epic

a decently geared paladin with epic haste potion and double ds wont lose in a 1v1 unless he gets bad rng on a duelist backstab

dont listen to webrunner just because a class cant instagib something doesn't mean its not effective or useful in pvp

they lock targets down with bashes can chain pell offheal and with velious out now they're the best pvp healers they also do pretty decent dmg with haste and if you ever get a tantors you're gonna be doing bigboy dps on top of it

Also if you do roll paladin make sure start farming and corpsing soulfires asap cant stress how important these are for pvp

[Wrench]

best track in game though, and sortable. bard and druid don't get that. it's good for pvp and tracking named mobs.

stopped readin after this, made me wonder if you play red

I thought of typing up a quick guide for people switching from blue just so they're not completely blindsided, but laziness always wins out.

theres something to be said about not tradin away your hard learned advantages to your potential competition

its selfish, but it is what it is on a pvp server

btw, damn had some good points, def plays red

[Cruger]

I'm doin' it! Gonna roll cleric, research my clickies and try to get Jboots asap, in the meantime i'll just run or 'plug' til I get some gear and levels! I'm assuming the age old /q works well for this.

Does min max'ing matter at all? I'd love to roll a cooler race like Dark Elf rather than High Elf or Dwarf, such fugly races!

[Wrench]

I'm doin' it! Gonna roll cleric, research my clickies and try to get Jboots asap, in the meantime i'll just run or 'plug' til I get some gear and levels! I'm assuming the age old /q works well for this.

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[Cruger]

Haha is plugging frowned upon?? I just wanna be able to hold my own before i get destroyed by twinks, surely you can understand?? right?? guys??

[Wrench]

ill be nice and tell ya

plugging isnt just going ld, that leaves you ingame and ai controlled if attacked

plugging is going ld while zoning, the game never spits you out the other side

[B4EQWASCOOL]

NINJA VANISH! *POOF*