Talk me out of ogre shaman.

[nina]

Ogre shaman for frontal stun immunity is the best right? I hate iksar for anything other than monk, barbarian shaman seems awesome, but has no real bonus apart from being liked by good races. Troll regen might be awesome, but I think frontal stun immunity would be better.
Am I right?

[Daldaen]

Regen is very powerful, I suggest Troll/Iksar.

Frontal stun immunity only matters if you are tanking and you cannot root/kite. A slowed mob will hit very rarely and you should almost never eat an interrupt from a slowed mob, when you do it can be from push and not from stun (which ogres get interrupted by). A raiding and grouping shaman should almost never be taking hits to the face. They should however constantly be using Canni and therefore regenning back HP. Allowing them more canni casts before a Torpor is necessary at high levels, therefore being more mana efficient allowing more buffs or slows or heals on a raid/group.

Iksars can't use JBB but a lot in Velious is cold immune so thats rather moot. Epic and DMG DoTs are best at 60 anyways, especially with their recent increase in efficiency.

Stun immunity is vastly overrated.

[GreldorEQ]

Remember - you have to look at this character every time you play. Some will remember a rather drawn out thread about my indecision around a Tunare-race druid and a Halfling. In the end, I chose Halfling, sacrificing some rather useful utility items for my visual enjoyment.

I look like a homeless Don Draper, and I rather enjoy it.

[Caridry]

Remember - you have to look at this character every time you play. Some will remember a rather drawn out thread about my indecision around a Tunare-race druid and a Halfling. In the end, I chose Halfling, sacrificing some rather useful utility items for my visual enjoyment.

I look like a homeless Don Draper, and I rather enjoy it.

you get the best utility in the game with the invis/sneak/hide trick. Halflings are sneaky! :cool:

[webrunner5]

When Velious comes out you will be happy, very happy you made a Ogre. :D:D

[curtischoy]

Troll. Regen is ALWAYS active, always working for you. Frontal stun immunity is active ONLY when you are getting hit in the face (even then you can get interrupts from push like Daldaen said)

Always > small percentage

I made a troll because I really like the regen and troll is my 3rd favorite race. My 2nd favorite race is iksar, but I already have an iksar necro.


If you really want some reading...

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193352&highlight=shaman+race

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186770&highlight=shaman+race

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172855&highlight=shaman+race

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134483&highlight=shaman+race

[Ithinos]

Troll/Iksar for raiding and leveling (pre-epic) is the only scenarios that I'd recommend non-ogre. Once the epic comes into play and you're quad dotting you can have some hairy situations where stun immunity is irreplaceable. IE getting that root off on a mob that's smashing your face in, so you can back up and throw a heal on yourself in order to stay in the fight. Additionally, ogre is very handy when farming named or come Velious when that interrupt is life or death. Comes down to what your goals are for that shaman. I still side with ogre. :)

[blondeattk]

When Velious comes out you will be happy, very happy you made a Ogre. :D:D

this close to velious.....grasp ye olde nettle and go for the fatside.

start a troll sk twink in 5 weeks time or something.

[shammyinz]

Ogre is hands down the best shaman for soloing/farming. At 60, the regen means so very little unless you plan on afking to regen hp. Torpor + canni = powerhouse. Highly recommending the Ogre.

[Nycon43]

Trolls look awesome in velious armors, they get my vote. Torpor is 100K+ plat on this server(probably going to go up in price as its a kunark mob only drop spell iirc and less people will be farming kunark content) and the OP may never see that much cash. Go with the race you actually like looking at imo.

[Danth]

This thread mostly seems to discuss solo and raid roles...perhaps that's a subtle indicator of the influence Warcraft has had on the online game space. EQ's primarily a grouping game. Anyhow, you don't want to make an Ogre? Then don't make an Ogre. MMOG players are notorious for obsessing over a couple percent of effectiveness here or there, or for claiming that some inconsequential bonus is somehow "necessary" (ex. Daldaen's post above).

Bringing the hyperbole and exaggeration back down to reality, here's what Shaman races actually boil down to:

Barbarians level a little faster and have somewhat more convenient factions.
Trolls/Iksars have a modest advantage prior to obtaining Torpor, which evaporates to almost nothing with that spell.
Ogres have a slight advantage for high-end solo.
All races can ultimately do the same jobs and solo the same things that all other races can without all that much difference in effectiveness.

Danth

[Destron]

At max level the Troll regen is totally negligible, most shamans dump the fungi once they get Torpor. This topic has been debated more than any single subject on these forums.

Bottom line is Frontal Stun immunity is the single best racial bonus in the game. If a class can be an Ogre, it is the best choice. End of discussion.

[Nixtar]

Being an ogre you also have a very high str/sta which definitely help early on.

Also, a shrinked ogre shaman is adorable.

[Kowalski]

Ogre ... boom done!

[blondeattk]

Barbarians level a little faster and have somewhat more convenient factions.

its possible to lvl a barby to 30 on handins alone. which i did, although i started grpin a bit about 27 for some variation.

barby faction is kinda mute in velious.... so from this weekend, pick troll over barby imo.

after a few months you will find, you want one shm that kills dragons and one that kills giants.....unless your already ubber and will live in tov/pom/sleepers all the time anyway!

[untergang]

Trolls look awesome in velious armors, they get my vote. Torpor is 100K+ plat on this server(probably going to go up in price as its a kunark mob only drop spell iirc and less people will be farming kunark content) and the OP may never see that much cash. Go with the race you actually like looking at imo.

This is an important point that everyone seems to overlook. If you're rolling a shaman with the expectation of ever getting Torpor, you're going to be very disappointed. It's a luxury on this server.

[Hijiri]

Troll, -easiest leveling- to 50's hands down and only shaman that can snare solo, deep in a dungeon somewhere and it now stacks with root. I still use it when a resisted root/runner would mean death.

...and for thA tards, at lvl 60 it's +18 hps sitting, at 56 it's +1 more then a fungi.

[nina]

Cheers guys,
Ogre shammy it is. Anyone wanna spot me torpor and a fungi?

[Troxx]

I went troll shaman - don't regret it at all. I just hit 51 where the regen differences start to widen dramatically. 51 vs 50 (trolls get a 4hp/tick jump sitting and standing from 50 to 51) made a pretty big difference in available mana via canni. @ 51 it's 2 vs 6 regen standing; 5 vs 12 sitting. That's not a negligible difference, and the difference only gets wider. At 60 you get 8 more regen standing and 9 more sitting. At 51 it's basically an extra ikky regen bp permanently. At 60 it's nearly the same difference as upgrading that ikky bp to a fungi. For those of you barbs/ogres out there who finally got a regen bp or upgraded .... It's like that ... Except it stacks with said items.

Self buffed right now I'm at +21/+27 sit/stand with an ikky - and that's pretty nice.

FSI is good, but regen imo is just too good to pass up on a class with mana mechanics like shamans. Yeah 60 and torpor changes things ... But once you get to that point you don't really need FSI anymore as the game is basically easy mode.

Play what you want. I went troll for stats/regen (and I wanted to be ugly). I don't regret it at all. Regen makes leveling much easier. I'd argue it makes soloing for xp (not necessarily named hunting) a lot easier as well.

[Amargura]

Why talk you out of ogre shammy!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhRXn2NRiWI

[Cillaz]

If you are an established player and have a lot of plat, ogre is hard choice to beat as you have the ogres benefits, plus can buy gear the gives you the regen benefits.
But! If you are a new player then the races with regen bonus really help as they do make levelling easier, when you don't have access to gear .
I went Iksar, as my old main on live was iksar! The regen has really helped and will continue too, til I can get a fungi/torpor, then an ogre will be better 'in certain circumstances' But for a new player that is a long way off and the regen will always help. I think play what you like to look at, as you will stare at them for a long time!

[Nixtar]

I think play what you like to look at, as you will stare at them for a long time!

And Iksar velious armour looks awesome.