Race

[am0n]

While I know in later expansions racial differences basically became negligible, what about in Classic/Kunark (ignore Velious)? I am contemplating either a Dwarven or Half-Elf Rogue. Both have precedence in my mind, but the Dwarf has much better stats for a Rogue than a Half-Elf. I like leveling in Gfay, but Dwarf is close enough that the run is no big deal.

Do starting stats matter in Classic/Kunark? Or by time you get through Kunark even are starting stats basically a wash?

[Swish]

You'll be fine whichever you pick. Main objective for a rogue is to hit max strength, which means the highest atk rating.

Work for about 180-185 str and the shaman str buffs will do the rest. Dwarf or gnome, you'll hit it one way or another.

I went half elf for mine, can't bear to "leg stab" on my screen lol

[am0n]

You'll be fine whichever you pick. Main objective for a rogue is to hit max strength, which means the highest atk rating.

Work for about 180-185 str and the shaman str buffs will do the rest. Dwarf or gnome, you'll hit it one way or another.

I went half elf for mine, can't bear to "leg stab" on my screen lol

Any negatives in equipment/quests with going Dwarf or Half-Elf?

[Swish]

hero bracer is nice to have, cheap... dwarves can't wear it :/

http://wiki.project1999.com/Hero_Bracers

Can't think of many other decent str pieces that are racially limited (beyond iksars which don't count in this case) :p

[am0n]

hero bracer is nice to have, cheap... dwarves can't wear it :/

http://wiki.project1999.com/Hero_Bracers

Can't think of many other decent str pieces that are racially limited (beyond iksars which don't count in this case) :p

But Dwarves have a higher strength than Half-Elf to start with, so losing 5 Str here when compared to the next best option isn't too bad, right?

Edit: Although, the alternative doesn't have any AC.

[webrunner5]

While I know in later expansions racial differences basically became negligible, what about in Classic/Kunark (ignore Velious)? I am contemplating either a Dwarven or Half-Elf Rogue. Both have precedence in my mind, but the Dwarf has much better stats for a Rogue than a Half-Elf. I like leveling in Gfay, but Dwarf is close enough that the run is no big deal.

Do starting stats matter in Classic/Kunark? Or by time you get through Kunark even are starting stats basically a wash?

Racial differences WILL still matter. IF you think having a DE Warrior is going to get to the skills a Ogre Warrior is well what can I say. Hope you belong to the highest Guild in the game and are great friends with the Guild leader. :D

We are talking a lot later Expansions in EQ to ever make that happen for the average Joe Blow. :(

[am0n]

So is a 180-185 Str something that is obtainable in Classic/Kunark (again, no Velious).

[curtischoy]

yes it is. IIRC Str is not that hard of a stat to stack. Esp when it is by a wide margin your main stat.

[Roguejm11]

While I know in later expansions racial differences basically became negligible, what about in Classic/Kunark (ignore Velious)? I am contemplating either a Dwarven or Half-Elf Rogue. Both have precedence in my mind, but the Dwarf has much better stats for a Rogue than a Half-Elf. I like leveling in Gfay, but Dwarf is close enough that the run is no big deal.

Do starting stats matter in Classic/Kunark? Or by time you get through Kunark even are starting stats basically a wash?

Still negligible.

[Tecmos Deception]

Still negligible.

Not negligible imo, but definitely not hugely important either, especially with a class like rogue since they only really need str (and mr and hp for raids) to be 95+% effective and str is super easy to come by.

I'd say starting stats make a "small but noticeable" difference overall, again moreso with something like gnome vs. ogre warrior or gnome vs. high elf cleric, and less so with any rogue or bard, etc.

[Nexii]

Only racials that really matter are Ogre frontal stun immunity and regen. Rogue can't be Ogre/Troll/Iksar so play what you like.

[Swish]

Only racials that really matter are Ogre frontal stun immunity and regen. Rogue can't be Ogre/Troll/Iksar so play what you like.

and sneak for vendoring, but rogues are okay there

[am0n]

Thanks, all.

[JurisDictum]

I made a barbarian rogue thinking they were the best. I have since changed my stance. Dwarfs have access to some resist items that barbarians don't have, they have better vision, they are more convenient size (changing form all the time is annoying), and their stats are barely worse. They also start off on arguably the best noob continent.
A couple of things to note:
1) race never really matters all that much for rogue
2) maxing str is easy....maxing sta is almost impossible. Rogues do take dmg in raids.
3) playing a rogue high end doesn't feel as rewarding as some classes in mine and many people's opinion. You get an epic and decent offhand and thats 90% of your class. You don't get a lot more powerful in velious like rangers or monks.

[Danth]

I think of the Rogue as a class for folks who want to show up and do a good, reliable job for relatively little effort and who want little else asked of them. It's one of the few classes that's welcomed in both groups and raids yet doesn't have to work too much to earn its place.
I can think of no class for which race matters less than it does for Rogues. It's well to remember that in most of these race discussions folks argue over a couple percent here or there. Online gamers have a habit of losing sight of the big picture in favor of worrying too much about minutiae.

Danth

[webrunner5]

Well they are pretty cheap to equip also. And I saw the Epic MQ in the tunnel few days ago for 28k. Not bad, not bad at all. :cool: Yeah any race probably in Velious will be able to get to top Str. with a Shaman buff easy.

[am0n]

Yeah, my focus was on Classic and Kunark, not Velious. This is with the Re99 server in mind.