When Velious drops how much goes away?

[botrainer]

When Velious drops how much does the over all server lose? Will all the tracking rules, rotation poof? OR just the R / C / FFA poof and we go back to classic TMO RMT Questing?

[Man0warr]

No one knows. All we know is Velious will be FFA at first.

[Oleris]

No one knows. All we know is Velious will be FFA at first.

not confirmed.

[Nuggie]

not confirmed.

+1

[Swish]

I hope Class R disappears, would be fun to see guilds competing at the right level :)

[Man0warr]

not confirmed.

Heavily hinted at.

[Quickfingers]

TMO is on Red now. It would be Rampage RMTquesting.

And I pray to god they take every single Velious mob and leave you casuals with scraps

[indiscriminate_hater]

Full FFA. No GM intervention for the first 3 months. So sayeth the wise Alaundo.

[Vidar]

TMO is on Red now. It would be Rampage RMTquesting.

And I pray to god they take every single Velious mob and leave you casuals with scraps

And its people like you that make people not want to play on red.

[webrunner5]

It will be a Cluster F..k and you know it. :( All the top zones will be perma camped for months and will be a pissing contest on the Forums like it has always has.

Like all the dirt bags that have be chomping at the bit for the last month are just going to turn into Saints at the start. Yeah right. :o Good luck even getting a few crumbs at the start.

[Misek84]

It will be a Cluster F..k and you know it. :( All the top zones will be perma camped for months and will be a pissing contest on the Forums like it has always has.

Like all the dirt bags that have be chomping at the bit for the last month are just going to turn into Saints at the start. Yeah right. :o Good luck even getting a few crumbs at the start.

Thats rather pessimistic. Granted there will be issues with some camps (holg beads come to mind) but i dont see the raid scene being so toxic in velious. The bs about kunark raiding was that it was so easy that kills came down to split second fte, petitionquest, and overall dickieness. The raid mechnics in velious change greatly and your main enemy isnt going to be who can fte first but if u and your guild can moblize and execute a kill. Since getting kills in velious doesnt come down to the actions of people in other guilds but the people in your own guild i dont see the same level of bs in velious.

[Neno]

Thats rather pessimistic. Granted there will be issues with some camps (holg beads come to mind) but i dont see the raid scene being so toxic in velious. The bs about kunark raiding was that it was so easy that kills came down to split second fte, petitionquest, and overall dickieness. The raid mechnics in velious change greatly and your main enemy isnt going to be who can fte first but if u and your guild can moblize and execute a kill. Since getting kills in velious doesnt come down to the actions of people in other guilds but the people in your own guild i dont see the same level of bs in velious.

alot of guilds clearing content on beta that were waiting in the bread line for pixels. its gona end up being the same shit for most of the content.

[dafier]

Nothing wrong with FTE and FFA. Better bring your high nukers out or chanters to get that 'xp' message.

Guaranty it's going to be a DPS contest when it comes to mobs.

[Daldaen]

alot of guilds clearing content on beta that were waiting in the bread line for pixels. its gona end up being the same shit for most of the content.

I've watched some fights on beta. Some are using solid strategies and have what look like a few boxed clerics (which is fine cause beta, but not representative of what is possible on live).

Also I've seen some pillar tanking, which I'm not sure how the staff are going to handle it, as I'm not familiar with how it was handled on live. But essentially people are tanking dragons in locations where their DPS or their Tank are not viewable by a dragon, and therefore not getting hit by AEs... Yet they can still melee the dragon. I don't think they've gotten full z-axis pillar tanking exploit where the dragon stays static but cannot melee the tank, but there are definitely some spots you can melee a dragon, hold aggro, and still not be hit by the AE because geometry.

Exploiting geometry/hit box bug or clever raid tactic? That is to be determined by staff I thinks.

Also due to the server environment I think the pulls that will get done on live will be weird. Most guilds would just clear to a mob and kill it. On P99 though, clearing means someone can leapfrog you. So I fully expect large trains of mobs to get them out of the way and tagging dragons out of these trains. Somewhat similar to how VP is. But it will creep into zones where random non-raiders are inhabiting and may cause issues.

It will be interesting to say the least. I think sim repops during Velious will be the most fun because every guild will have a few good targets they can go for due to the increased number of them.

[Misek84]

alot of guilds clearing content on beta that were waiting in the bread line for pixels. its gona end up being the same shit for most of the content.

Not saying there wont be competition or that some guilds who can get kills wont be shut out. Just saying that the new mechanics will not create such a toxic raid scene. The current toxic raid scene is caused by the mechanics not the people per say. Seen the same thing on the prog server from 2011. During kunark on that server it was just a toxic wasteland with endless poopsocking, sk armies, every gimp guild going after ever raid mob, cheating, and just great animosity between the guilds. Once velious came out the pack of guilds really spread out. Competition for mobs was resolved by which guild could better moblize/execute. If you dont get a kill in velious its not because your fte'er was a split second behind but because u couldnt get the number to said zone fast enough, your ch chain got messed up, people not having right resists, or people from you own guild messing up. Mobs wont be killed with seconds of spawning. There is a big difference in getting 50 people to log on at 3 in the morning for 5 mins to blow up a mob compared to getting 50 people to log on at 3 in the morning for a 2 hour raid (prep, clear, kill, risk of a long CR) week in and week out.

[TarukShmaruk]

Isn't that Z axis shit what got Conquest banned from live?

[Cecily]

alot of guilds clearing content on beta that were waiting in the bread line for pixels. its gona end up being the same shit for most of the content.

It's going to be so much worse with multiple zergs swarming around trash capable of wiping raids. Blue will a train wreck and I don't think I want to play here in Velious.

[Man0warr]

Guilds always exploited LoS for AEs on indoor Dragons, not new.

Using CotH and eyes to pull mobs like Zlandicar to the zone in sound like a no no though, and I've seen guilds doing that.

[Daldaen]

Guilds always exploited LoS for AEs on indoor Dragons, not new.

Using CotH and eyes to pull mobs like Zlandicar to the zone in sound like a no no though, and I've seen guilds doing that.

Using LoS to block AEs is Clericing 101. In fact most casters hide behind walls and joust AEs. That's working as intended. However having the ability to melee the dragon, and still be able to block the AE because of a ledge or a wall is the problem. It's allowing players to entirely avoid fears and other AEs while continually attacking, which isn't really balanced at all. I'm pretty sure if you want to melee it you had to be in LoS.

Pulling Zlandicar to zone in is very bugged on this server due to the path he takes. However his faction is different from the snakes, rats and spiders in the zone, so should the pathing function properly, it would work the same but just take longer. As it is currently he just warps up through the floor to the entrance, which is clearly broken. Instead he should run through the rat tunnels up top.

A lot of crazy pulls can be done to get certain mobs to zone lines. I am guessing some of those will get whacked and we will be forced to fight them in their room like Venril Sathir.

[Misek84]

Guilds always exploited LoS for AEs on indoor Dragons, not new.

Using CotH and eyes to pull mobs like Zlandicar to the zone in sound like a no no though, and I've seen guilds doing that.

Yea i dont see pulling mobs to zone in like in vp working in velious. There will b groups all around the zones which you would train then resulting in gm shutting that strat down. What makes vp pulling to zone in work is the fact that mobs die really quick (thus not requiring the kiter to hold train for long), the faction set up in vp, and no groups past zone in. Thats all different in vel. Pulling to zone line might work for a few mobs like king tromex but we wont see that in tov i think. I think most mobs will require clearing to that mob. Whatever u pull u need to kill else u concede the mob. IG (for vox) are different from the mobs in tov. You cant just run past them and hope someone else handles them while u kill the named

[Daldaen]

See I expect ToV to be the exception. Where pulls and trains are possibly to split mobs from their trash, I full expect people to try them. ToV is a zone where 0 people should be grouping, at most there will be a raid in EToV and a raid in WToV farming armor, and your trains shouldn't impact them especially if you're splitting out NToV Dragons.

However zones like Kael, DN, Velks, Skyshrine... You probably can't train around because they will be packed with groups.

But again, we will have to see how the pulling arms race escalates.

[Cecily]

When Velious drops how much does the over all server lose? Will all the tracking rules, rotation poof? OR just the R / C / FFA poof and we go back to classic TMO RMT Questing?

Psst! Botrainer.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203175

[indiscriminate_hater]

Psst! Botrainer.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203175

did you just make that RnF post to smear Botrainer? the Spinquest is real

[Cecily]

Lol. I made that RnF post specifically to smear Botrainer. You should read the quote up top that got him kicked from BDA at least.

[Coffee]

I hope blue gets flagged for pvp. Good luck

[Misek84]

See I expect ToV to be the exception. Where pulls and trains are possibly to split mobs from their trash, I full expect people to try them. ToV is a zone where 0 people should be grouping, at most there will be a raid in EToV and a raid in WToV farming armor, and your trains shouldn't impact them especially if you're splitting out NToV Dragons.

However zones like Kael, DN, Velks, Skyshrine... You probably can't train around because they will be packed with groups.

But again, we will have to see how the pulling arms race escalates.

I guess none of us really know what velious raiding will turn into. I just have a really hard time seeing someone survive kiting mobs around ntov and people pulling named out of it to kill. The faction set up is totally different from vp so pulling named out of trains will be harder. Plus just simply not getting killed while u run around picking up aggro from everything seems impossible. A simple run to PoM through ntov is really hard and very few can do it. Kiting ntov would be alot more diffucult than that.

[Cecily]

I hope blue gets flagged for pvp. Good luck

Omg you have no idea how happy that would make me.

[dafier]

I hope blue gets flagged for pvp. Good luck

Not classic. :cool:

[Tuljin]

Lol what's "not classic" is raiding on Beta and testing strats for over a year before it even comes out

[Man0warr]

Lol what's "not classic" is raiding on Beta and testing strats for over a year before it even comes out

Except most people raided all these mobs a decade plus ago and know the strats. Main reason to raid on beta is to help the devs get the encounters correctly tuned, the other to get a head start on stuff that isn't classic tuned and may make it live anyways.

[Pint]

hope its all FFA

[slappytwotoes]

hope its all FFA

I hope its FFA with a daily bag limit for the first week. Gives guilds a chance to test themselves against the encounters without Rampage scooping up absolutely everything.

[captnamazing]

hoping velious drops with no raid mobs

[Daldaen]

hoping velious drops with no raid mobs

I'd lol at this.

I expect Velious to be full FFA and Kunark to retain its system.

Though I would argue that Kunark system should be changed to R/R/FFA and VP should follow suit. Guilds would become Class C if they kill any ToV raid boss, First Brood or City Leader (Tormax, Dain, Yelinak). To reflect a more classic progression of things.

As guilds push into new expansions the more relaxed/casual guilds finally got more access to the prior expansion content (thus the R/R/FFA change on Kunark mobs). Keeping C/R/FFA will be dumb if they choose to do that going forward.

[Pint]

hoping velious drops with no raid mobs

could see this happening

[Destron]

Not saying there wont be competition or that some guilds who can get kills wont be shut out. Just saying that the new mechanics will not create such a toxic raid scene. The current toxic raid scene is caused by the mechanics not the people per say. Seen the same thing on the prog server from 2011. During kunark on that server it was just a toxic wasteland with endless poopsocking, sk armies, every gimp guild going after ever raid mob, cheating, and just great animosity between the guilds. Once velious came out the pack of guilds really spread out. Competition for mobs was resolved by which guild could better moblize/execute. If you dont get a kill in velious its not because your fte'er was a split second behind but because u couldnt get the number to said zone fast enough, your ch chain got messed up, people not having right resists, or people from you own guild messing up. Mobs wont be killed with seconds of spawning. There is a big difference in getting 50 people to log on at 3 in the morning for 5 mins to blow up a mob compared to getting 50 people to log on at 3 in the morning for a 2 hour raid (prep, clear, kill, risk of a long CR) week in and week out.

[dafier]

hoping velious drops with no raid mobs

Not classic

[Uuruk]

Psst! Botrainer.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203175

You guys really don't know the difference between server chat and RnF, do you?

[Uuruk]

Psst! Botrainer.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203175You are such a dumb ass :(

I know those rules about not flaming people in server chat and guild recruitment threads are really hard for you to follow because you're kinda slow, I'm guessing you went hard in the paint chips, but please leave my RL out of it.

[Freakish]

I hope Sleeper warders drop Cloth Caps!

[cornisthebest]

I hope Sleeper warders drop Cloth Caps!

we should have this happen

[webrunner5]

we should have this happen

Wouldn't that be a Hoot. :D:D

[sacman08]

I hope the Odus sharks start dropping 1 million plat per kill...

[Greengrocer]

Classic Meat Spin will be pretty much dead and gone as we know it, thanks to a certain frosty dwarf who shall not be named.

I am personally boycotting Velious in the hopes that it is never released.

If it is released, though, I will stop boycotting it and enjoy it along with everyone else.

[TarukShmaruk]

^

What are you talking about? Too much terminology ...

[curtischoy]

Classic Meat Spin will be pretty much dead and gone as we know it, thanks to a certain frosty dwarf who shall not be named.

I am personally boycotting Velious in the hopes that it is never released.

If it is released, though, I will stop boycotting it and enjoy it along with everyone else.

HAHAH!!!

[kaev]

Classic Meat Spin will be pretty much dead and gone as we know it, thanks to a certain frosty dwarf who shall not be named.

I am personally boycotting Velious in the hopes that it is never released.

If it is released, though, I will stop boycotting it and enjoy it along with everyone else.

I have a techincal question for you sir. Aside from being a handy wrap for a joint of meat to keep the flies off, what purpose, if any, does a cloth cap serve?

[Daldaen]

Classic Meat Spin will be pretty much dead and gone as we know it, thanks to a certain frosty dwarf who shall not be named.

I am personally boycotting Velious in the hopes that it is never released.

If it is released, though, I will stop boycotting it and enjoy it along with everyone else.

Green grocer, I hope you saw the Tainted Sea Dragon Meats were getting purged from the server. I strive to get you access to only the most classic-approved meats. Not some tainted crappy meat.