Mage pets - specific question

[dafier]

I was in beta for the first time and had my level 54 water pet out. I was in Icewell Keep and noticed that my pet NEVER hit for maximum dmg on all NPCs we fought.

In fact, I noticed when it was attacking the front of the mob (mob facing pet) there seemed to be an almost static dmg of 14 per hit.

When it was behind the mob it was hitting for very low damage as well, but better than 14 most of the time.

I understand AC mechanics and the mobs are mid level 50s but in Kunark and Old world with mobs that are 50+ I do not see this at all.

This was VERY noticeable and if this is a bug or issue, then I really think it needs to be addressed as soon as possible.

Please, has any other mage noticed issues like this?

I did not check other zones, but will and post my findings.

[Daldaen]

AC on many Velious mobs has seemed quite high. I recall our first attempt on Statue of Rallos Zek we were having 60 rogues hitting for averages of like 15-20.

[dafier]

Thanks for responding!

So, my thoughts are; On a 'boss/raid' mob, yes, I understand, but this was zone trash I am talking about.

It was pathetic! I do not recall it being like this on live.

The specific mobs I am referring to are the golems, cubes and tennicle terror looking things in Icewell Keep.

You know, I just remembered this. My pet was hitting Dain for more than it was hitting the trash mobs.

It still wasn't max damaging Dain on hits, but it was doing more damage.

[Seltius]

Velious release were mage or anyone else soloing Icewell Keep mobs? As a monk on live I seem to remember xp being better on Velious mobs but they did have considerably higher AC and it wasn't until later with better velious gear that some stuff really became soloable.

[dafier]

Velious release were mage or anyone else soloing Icewell Keep mobs? As a monk on live I seem to remember xp being better on Velious mobs but they did have considerably higher AC and it wasn't until later with better velious gear that some stuff really became soloable.

No. Icewell keep mobs are very difficult. They hit for 200s (double attack), and they have a lot of HP. Good source for 50+ spells, I am talking caverns not Dwarves up top.

All mobs down there summon. Having a good solid group is helpful. I believe there are nameds that spawn down there too in which drop decent stuff.

[Nuggie]

That high AC is going to be rough. Hurray to nilbog for making things too difficult to steamroll over on day 1.

[dafier]

I don't think it's Nilbog making things difficult. It's just unrefined coding. Not that it's supposed to be really difficult, but it's not supposed to be easy either.

I need to find time and a group to go in there and capture data so I can post a bug.

OR, if the devs are reading this maybe they can take a quick look. No response to this thread is needed because I know if they look and just quickly test what I am seeing, they will know something is wrong.

[Coffee]

Mahe epic pet gets rooted 9.5/10 casts and gets poofed by bard charm. Need dev support (red).

Thanks

-coffee

[dafier]

You know....I've been thinking about it and maybe the level of pets used (51 to 54) are to low in level to do normal damage that you would see on pretty much all Kunark and Old world mobs.

I remember Icewell Keep being a REALLY crappy place to hunt after Velious release but I dont' recall every trash mob in there having such high mitigation. Anyway, I just wanted to throw this on the thread.

[krazyGlue]

Mahe epic pet gets rooted 9.5/10 casts and gets poofed by bard charm. Need dev support (red).

Thanks

-coffee

[dafier]

Another addition. I log in to beta, tell the banker "beta buff me".

Come back with my Mage epic.

I went to Cobalt Scar and had my epic pet attack a level 40 Wyvern. The wyvern did 50% dmg to the pet before the pet killed it.

I am thinking there is something wrong with Mage pets ability to dps all mobs in Velious and there is something about Velious mobs having a lot of attack power.

I can't confirm this for any other class only to mage pets.

EDIT:

This does NOT happen in old world nor Kunark. There is an obvious difference in mitigation and attack regarding Velious mobs vs Mage Pets.

[Daldaen]

When I was farming those for armor gems on a beta Mage I would typically be able to handle 2 wyvern at a time without the pet dying, usually the pet only lost maybe 10-20%.

Did you let the pet DS itself before sending him in? Did you burnout him? Did he have a muzzle?

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Mahe epic pet gets rooted 9.5/10 casts and gets poofed by bard charm. Need dev support (red).

Thanks

-coffee

Not an EPIC mage yet, but this is frustrating for our normal pets as well.

[dafier]

When I was farming those for armor gems on a beta Mage I would typically be able to handle 2 wyvern at a time without the pet dying, usually the pet only lost maybe 10-20%.

Did you let the pet DS itself before sending him in? Did you burnout him? Did he have a muzzle?

Pet did DS, and for some odd reason only 143 proc'd 1 time the whole battle (against 2 'a wyvern').

Burnout 3, no muzzle.

Funny. Your actions were mine. I was farming for gems as well. Summoned the epic pet, summoned another orb. Pet DS'd, I burnout 3 pet, ran over /pet attack. Pet was at 45% health when done.

I don't have Epic yet on Blue, but I know this is wrong. Even the attack my pet was doing was crappy. It only hit maybe 8 or 10 times max (81 dmg). The dmg was all over the place as low as 16 dmg a hit to 40 something. I would say average hit dmg I saw was maybe in the 40s. It was landing hits fairly often, that doesn't seem to be too much of an issue, but the dmg output from each hit is very noticeable and it is crap. These are Green to me and blue to pet.

Muzzle will not make a 40 or 50% difference in health (only thing missing when I sent pet to attack).

[Daldaen]

Well either you had really bad luck or something changed, cause I was having no issue handling 2 at a time. Breaking the 4-spawns I needed to summon another one midway through.

[dafier]

Back to Icewell Keep:

Pet was hitting often, it's not that it wasn't landing hits, it's that the dmg was beyond weak. It's almost like the mob didn't have the AGI to dodge/block the attack, but it had really high AC that scratched out 50% plus incoming damage.

[dafier]

Well either you had really bad luck or something changed, cause I was having no issue handling 2 at a time. Breaking the 4-spawns I needed to summon another one midway through.

I will test tonight. I am not going to 'Beta Buff' myself. I am level 58 and will just use my 57 Earth with BO3, Muzzle and I will DS him with Cadeau.

I'll stick to CS zone and fight Wyverns.

Thanks for your feedback.

[dafier]

First test:

In CS now. I summoned a max level 57 Earth pet. He was hitting for 70. When fighting 2 'a wyverns' he was destroyed. Might as well be paper. He was buffed with BO3, Cadeau and had a 11% haste mask.

1 Wyvern that he was attacking he got it to 24% before he died. The second Wyvern was at 78% because he took a couple hits and mostly due to the DS.

The wyverns both hit me a couple times and their max dmg was 126. They appeared to have about 7 to 9k of health. They were double attacking and double bashing my pet every round and hitting for pretty much max.

My pet was averaging in the 40s and 50s per hit. There were a few 70 dmg hits but not much.

Second test:

Summoned another 57 Earth pet. This one was hitting for 68 (second most high pet). I sent him against 1 Wyvern. That Wyvern was hitting for about 110 per hit. My pet had it down and only took about 30% dmg over all. Again pet was buffed just like in the first test.

Third test:

Pet (same as in second test) vs Cobalt Drake. I forgot they released Velious with the Cobalt drakes casting the same spell Lady Vox cast. Cold DD with disspell. That needs to be fixed asap. SOE admitted later that was a mistake. Way too powerful of a spell for those NPCs to have.

Pet pretty much took out the drake 1 vs 1 without issue and only took about 20% health hit.

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There IS something wrong. You have a high level mage with high level pets that should easily manage these mobs. This is not the case here. I am really looking forward to ToFS, but with this going on....ugh, that will be a nightmare.

I remember taking my Epic mage on live and soloing everything in ToFS except for what's her face up top.

I'll post more discrepancies later.

[dafier]

Apparently the Wyverns in my first test were the 2 on the cliff together right next to Skyshrine. Those are Wyverns from hell.

The other Wyverns are not nearly as difficult as those.

[dafier]

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhistory.html?id=1356&source=Live

According to this the spell never changed its intensity. I do recall it changing. SOE said level 40 ish drakes shouldn't be casting a level 50+ spell. I can't seem to find the change.