King Tormax

[Daldaen]

1. Resistances. His Fire Resist is absolutely ridiculous currently on Beta. With Malo + Ro's Fiery Sundering + Occlusion on Tormax (45+40+20-30), every fire spell was resisted 100% of the time. With over 100 Fire Resistance debuffed, he shouldn't be immune to typical fire spells:

[Sun Jul 12 16:53:06 2015] Your target resisted the Ro's Fiery Sundering spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:53:13 2015] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:53:24 2015] Your target resisted the Breath of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:53:49 2015] Your target resisted the Breath of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:53:54 2015] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:54:05 2015] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:54:18 2015] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:54:30 2015] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:54:51 2015] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:55:00 2015] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:56:00 2015] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:56:09 2015] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:56:18 2015] Your target resisted the Fixation of Ro spell.
[Sun Jul 12 16:56:27 2015] Your target resisted the Breath of Ro spell.

As compared to EQMac (Granted this is with a level 65 Druid, but I shouldn't stick 100% of a level 65 Druid's Nukes for full DMG and get resisted on 100% of a level 60 Druid's debuffs/nukes):

[Thu Sep 05 12:22:52 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:22:56 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1484 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:22:59 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:23:03 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1456 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:23:08 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:23:11 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1610 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:23:34 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:23:38 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1680 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:23:54 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:23:58 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1456 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:02 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:06 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1498 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:09 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:13 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1792 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:16 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:20 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1652 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:23 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:27 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1652 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:31 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:35 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1442 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:38 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:42 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1540 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:24:59 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:03 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1540 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:09 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:12 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1666 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:20 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:24 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1638 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:27 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:31 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1666 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:35 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:38 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1834 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:42 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:46 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1848 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:56 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:25:59 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1568 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:03 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:07 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1582 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:10 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:14 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1568 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:20 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:24 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 3136 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:30 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:34 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1876 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:37 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:41 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1820 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:26:59 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:27:03 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1568 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:27:18 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:27:21 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1778 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:27:56 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:28:00 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1414 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:28:04 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:28:08 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1596 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:28:30 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:28:34 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1470 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:28:39 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:28:43 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1750 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:28:51 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:28:55 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 2870 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:28:58 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:29:01 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1498 points of damage.
[Thu Sep 05 12:29:52 2013] You begin casting Summer's Flame.
[Thu Sep 05 12:29:56 2013] King Tormax was hit by non-melee for 1498 points of damage.


During Velious I should be able to stick my DoT and debuffs after a few casts, as well as having a hit or miss shot at nuking him with Fire.

2. He is hitting at the high end of his spectrum WAY too much. Either his ATK is ridiculous (which I couldn't debuff because of issue #1) or AC is just not factoring in, because tanks were seeing max a LOT.

Against a level 60 Warrior (Defensive) his max hit is 437 (600 undefensive). This is the tanking summary for a tank during his entire defensive life.

Tanking summary for: Kinsen --- Total damage: 156523 --- Avg hit: 414 --- Swings: 594 --- Defended: 89 (15%) --- Hit: 378 (63.6%) --- Missed: 127 (21.4%) --- Accuracy: 74.9% --- Dodged: 21 (4%) --- Parried: 38 (6.4%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 29 (5.2%) --- Absorbed: 1 (0.2%)

He is averaging 414, with a max of 437. This is somewhat skewed via a minute or so of undisciplined tanking, but he is still hitting at the max end of the spectrum far too often.

A breakdown of the hits. As we all know, mobs have a range of 20 values which they can hit a player for. NEARLY 40% of these were max hits, over 50% were hits in the top 5 values:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/WinTank_zpsnesaf2ph.png

39% of all connecting hits were MAX hits
54% were the 1-5th hits
17% were the 6-10th hits
16% were the 11-15th hits
13% were the 16-20th hits

Granted, this is without Velious raid gear, but the spread doesn't seem as even as it should be for a well geared warrior. I'm not as concerned with Tormax, as he is relatively easy in the grand scheme of things. But mobs with much higher max hits (Vyemm/AoW) will be hitting with this same spread of hits, likely even more skewed towards the high end of the range.

Discuss.

[Treats]

[B]2. He is hitting at the high end of his spectrum WAY too much. Either his ATK is ridiculous (which I couldn't debuff because of issue #1) or AC is just not factoring in, because tanks were seeing max a LOT.

Against a level 60 Warrior (Defensive) his max hit is 437 (600 undefensive). This is the tanking summary for a tank during his entire defensive life.

Tanking summary for: Kinsen --- Total damage: 156523 --- Avg hit: 414 --- Swings: 594 --- Defended: 89 (15%) --- Hit: 378 (63.6%) --- Missed: 127 (21.4%) --- Accuracy: 74.9% --- Dodged: 21 (4%) --- Parried: 38 (6.4%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 29 (5.2%) --- Absorbed: 1 (0.2%)

He is averaging 414, with a max of 437. This is somewhat skewed via a minute or so of undisciplined tanking, but he is still hitting at the max end of the spectrum far too often.

A breakdown of the hits. As we all know, mobs have a range of 20 values which they can hit a player for. NEARLY 40% of these were max hits, over 50% were hits in the top 5 values:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/WinTank_zpsnesaf2ph.png

39% of all connecting hits were MAX hits
54% were the 1-5th hits
17% were the 6-10th hits
16% were the 11-15th hits
13% were the 16-20th hits

Granted, this is without Velious raid gear, but the spread doesn't seem as even as it should be for a well geared warrior. I'm not as concerned with Tormax, as he is relatively easy in the grand scheme of things. But mobs with much higher max hits (Vyemm/AoW) will be hitting with this same spread of hits, likely even more skewed towards the high end of the range.

Discuss.

I'd argue that this is still too low based on Fazlazen's log from Avatar of War (although it's a small sample size):

43 hits
24 - DI 10
3 - DI 9
4 - DI 8

56% max
72% DI 8-10

That log was also from Luclin expansion with Combat Agility and Mitigation.

[Raev]

I mean, the giants have to have high ATK/AC; they have no breath weapons. I remember Vonhammer told me about how even in PoP gear the Avatar of War did pretty legit melee damage, whereas Vulak and such did very little.

[Daldaen]

I'd argue that this is still too low based on Fazlazen's log from Avatar of War (although it's a small sample size):

43 hits
24 - DI 10
3 - DI 9
4 - DI 8

56% max
72% DI 8-10

That log was also from Luclin expansion with Combat Agility and Mitigation.

That is quite a small sample size and we are talking AoW, the hardest pure melee mob in game. Not Tormax whose max hit is nearly half of AoW and who is a few levels lower.

I don't think the two warrant direct comparison, especially with such a small sample size IMO.

40% max hits and 56% in the top range seems high to me. As though AC isn't factoring in too terribly much. I'd LOVE to get a Velious BIS warrior beta buff with high AC and then test again with him tanking to see if the spread is any different.