Trump was right

[Bigtokes]

Cute girl shot and killed in CA by an illegal who was deported 5 times and they have NO RECORD of this guy at ICE or Homeland Security. Makes lots of people look like fools after they bashed trump. Thoughts?

[Millburn]

Nah

[myriverse]

Most undocumented are not criminals. Hard working, too.

[Millburn]

There's no correlation between immigration of any kind and increased rape and violent crimes.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/256081616_Undocumented_Immigrants_as_Perceived_Cri minal_Threat_A_Test_of_the_Minority_Threat_Perspec tive

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

And to clarify the second link before someone misunderstands my statement in lieu of the link please note that there is an increase of crime between first and second generation immigrants but even then it remains lower and in instances the same as natural born citizens.

[Bigtokes]

Hard to make a correlation when you have no record of the people. Plus, illegals are more likely to not report crimes committed by other illegals.

[Bigtokes]

Most undocumented are not criminals. Hard working, too.

Only if you live in a huge house and they are mowing your lawn or washing your car.

[Millburn]

Hard to make a correlation when you have no record of the people. Plus, illegals are more likely to not report crimes committed by other illegals.

You're wrong in this count as well, not only is there a lot of data but even if there isn't a sampling for the entire population there's enough for standard deviation.

[Oleris]

please don't ruin debate season for me. I want to see Donald Trump sweat when asked all these questions live on TV.

[Fael]

Why do we want so many low educated foreign nationals in this country?

Why is this even a discussion.

[Swish]

There's no correlation between immigration of any kind and increased rape and violent crimes.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/256081616_Undocumented_Immigrants_as_Perceived_Cri minal_Threat_A_Test_of_the_Minority_Threat_Perspec tive

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

And to clarify the second link before someone misunderstands my statement in lieu of the link please note that there is an increase of crime between first and second generation immigrants but even then it remains lower and in instances the same as natural born citizens.

There is in Europe. Sweden (as an example) had one of the lowest crime rates in Europe til a lot of immigration from Africa and the Middle East. Now it's the rape capital of Europe.

Not saying immigration is bad, but it comes with certain other social/cultural problems that the west is very bad at dealing with at a government level.

[Millburn]

There is in Europe. Sweden (as an example) had one of the lowest crime rates in Europe til a lot of immigration from Africa and the Middle East. Now it's the rape capital of Europe.

Not saying immigration is bad, but it comes with certain other social/cultural problems that the west is very bad at dealing with at a government level.

Please don't muddy the waters about what the original post is about which is illegal immigrants in the united states leading to increased rape and crime. If you're going to bring up a side point, especially one that deviates from the U.S. please provide sources to read through because Bigtokes will just use your statement as a springboard to rant.

Edit: To address what you said though Swish, there is a particular metric called ethnic homogeneity that is on average higher in Europe than any other place in the world (save for Australia and specific Asian countries). The problem with immigration in an ethnically homogeneous country is that assimilation is necessary or else tension rises. The U.S. is not an ethnically homogeneous nation and is largely the "neutral" control group for ethnic homogeneity across the globe. This is why there is a drastic difference between the U.S. and Europe when it comes to immigration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/

[dafier]

Please don't muddy the waters about what the original post is about which is illegal immigrants in the united states leading to increased rape and crime. If you're going to bring up a side point, especially one that deviates from the U.S. please provide sources to read through because Bigtokes will just use your statement as a springboard to rant.

Edit: To address what you said though Swish, there is a particular metric called ethnic homogeneity that is on average higher in Europe than any other place in the world (save for Australia and specific Asian countries). The problem with immigration in an ethnically homogeneous country is that assimilation is necessary or else tension rises. The U.S. is not an ethnically homogeneous nation and is largely the "neutral" control group for ethnic homogeneity across the globe. This is why there is a drastic difference between the U.S. and Europe when it comes to immigration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/

You have 'interesting' opinions backed with a lot of bias references. Cheers.

To each their own. :)

[Millburn]

You have 'interesting' opinions backed with a lot of bias references. Cheers.

To each their own. :)

Pras

[Bigtokes]

I do not think anyone has a problem with LEGAL immigration...although there are many instances with legal ones overstaying their visas.

The problem here is with ILLEGAL immigration. If you have no problem with that, then there is a problem with your way of thinking. If I were a legal immigrant here, I would be pretty pissed at the illegals coming over here. so when they say Trump lost the latino vote, that is not entirely true.

Trump speaks many truths, the problem is people hate the truth. They want to hear that everything is fine. They want to hear that the economy is doing great, there is no problem with ISIS, there are no issues with black mob violence and there is no such think as illegal immigration. These people mostly are oblivious to the harsh reality because they are stuck living in their $500k+ homes in a 99% white suburb.

[Slathar]

I do not think anyone has a problem with LEGAL immigration...although there are many instances with legal ones overstaying their visas.

The problem here is with ILLEGAL immigration. If you have no problem with that, then there is a problem with your way of thinking. If I were a legal immigrant here, I would be pretty pissed at the illegals coming over here. so when they say Trump lost the latino vote, that is not entirely true.

Trump speaks many truths, the problem is people hate the truth. They want to hear that everything is fine. They want to hear that the economy is doing great, there is no problem with ISIS, there are no issues with black mob violence and there is no such think as illegal immigration. These people mostly are oblivious to the harsh reality because they are stuck living in their $500k+ homes in a 99% white suburb.



giving this troll a 3/10

[Millburn]

I do not think anyone has a problem with LEGAL immigration...although there are many instances with legal ones overstaying their visas.

The problem here is with ILLEGAL immigration. If you have no problem with that, then there is a problem with your way of thinking. If I were a legal immigrant here, I would be pretty pissed at the illegals coming over here. so when they say Trump lost the latino vote, that is not entirely true.

Trump speaks many truths, the problem is people hate the truth. They want to hear that everything is fine. They want to hear that the economy is doing great, there is no problem with ISIS, there are no issues with black mob violence and there is no such think as illegal immigration. These people mostly are oblivious to the harsh reality because they are stuck living in their $500k+ homes in a 99% white suburb.

So the conversation is now that Trump "speaks many truths" and is no longer "Trump was right" correct? Because we need to address that he was in fact, not correct.

[Millburn]

giving this troll a 3/10

But it's still a fun debate lol.

[Naxy]

There is in Europe. Sweden (as an example) had one of the lowest crime rates in Europe til a lot of immigration from Africa and the Middle East. Now it's the rape capital of Europe.

Not saying immigration is bad, but it comes with certain other social/cultural problems that the west is very bad at dealing with at a government level.


Comparing Swedish levels of rape crime to other countries is not comparing apples to apples.

A frequently cited source when comparing Swedish rape statistics internationally is the regularly published report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), based on official statistics provided by each member state.[note 1] In 2012, Sweden had 66 cases of reported rapes per 100,000 population, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå).[227] This was unequivocally the biggest number reported to the UNODC in 2012.[228] However, widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national comparison on rape statistics difficult,[229][230][231][232] which is why the UNODC itself caution against using their figures.[228] It should also be noted that many countries do not report any rape statistics at all to the UNODC,[233] and some report very low numbers, despite studies that indicate otherwise.[234][235]

And

The Swedish police record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries.[229][232][236] Sweden also has a comparatively wide definition of rape.[229][230][231] This means that more sexual crimes are registered as rape than in most other countries.[230] For example, in 2005 Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider,[229][237][238][239] which led to a marked increase in reports.[240][241] Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to decrease the number of unreported cases.[229][241][242][243] For this reason, large-scale victimisation surveys have been presented by criminologists as a more reliable indicator of rape prevalence.[229][230][231] An EU-wide survey on sexual violence against women, published the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) in 2014, placed Sweden below Denmark and Finland,[244] and a previous assessment by Brå have placed Sweden at an average level among European nations.[230]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

[Bigtokes]

So the conversation is now that Trump "speaks many truths" and is no longer "Trump was right" correct? Because we need to address that he was in fact, not correct.

He is right about the illegal immigration, but also speaks many other truths.

[Millburn]

He is right about the illegal immigration, but also speaks many other truths.

Nah

[dafier]

He is right about the illegal immigration, but also speaks many other truths.

I agree with Mil on this one.

"Naw"

[Glenzig]

He is right about the illegal immigration, but also speaks many other truths.

"No one knows more about speaking truth than me."--Donald Trump.

[Big_Japan]

Semitic affiliate encourages everyone who opposes porous borders do so for pathetic racist reasons instead of very valid economic ones.

"Liberals" knee-jerk in the opposite direction because racism so bad.

Caesar's oldest trick.

[Bigtokes]

So Millburn, when can I come by and rape your family, even though that would be illegal? Thanks!

[Pokesan]

please don't dukakis anyone, it's rude

[paulgiamatti]

Nah

[radditsu]

Why do we want so many low educated foreign nationals in this country?

Why is this even a discussion.

Because their children grow up to be your boss due to great work ethic instilled by decent parents and have fully naturalized into the culture?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

This thread is painful. Did someone actually try to undermine the fact that in the past 8 years Sweden's sexual assault rate went up by over %2000 due to mudslimes?

[nyclin]

portasaurus' threads get deleted because of "staff bashing" but Kagatob and Big_Japan can post racist shit all day long and nobody bats an eye

stay classy p99

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Facts are raysiss

This is what SJWs actually believe.

[paulgiamatti]

portasaurus' threads get deleted because of "staff bashing" but Kagatob and Big_Japan can post racist shit all day long and nobody bats an eye

stay classy p99

QFT

[Deliverator]

This thread is painful. Did someone actually try to undermine the fact that in the past 8 years Sweden's sexual assault rate went up by over %2000 due to mudslimes?

No, nobody tried to undermine this. They just pointed out that this has absolutely no relevance in the current discussion because the situations are completely different. America is a nation of immigrants getting more immigrants. Sweden is a nation of Swedes being inundated with immigrants from a culture heavily ingrained with rape, violence, and subjugation of women. Two very different situations.

[Swish]

No, nobody tried to undermine this. They just pointed out that this has absolutely no relevance in the current discussion because the situations are completely different. America is a nation of immigrants getting more immigrants. Sweden is a nation of Swedes being inundated with immigrants from a culture heavily ingrained with rape, violence, and subjugation of women. Two very different situations.

3rd/4th/5th generation immigrants aren't the same as 1st generation immigrants that just got across the border last week.

[Bigtokes]

There is a problem and nobody wants to tackle it. If you own a store and it gets robbed, do you just sit back and let it keep getting robbed?

[Big_Japan]

portasaurus' threads get deleted because of "staff bashing" but Kagatob and Big_Japan can post racist shit all day long and nobody bats an eye

stay classy p99

I have literally never said something rayciss on this forum. I'm not a racist. Did I maybe trigger your programmed servile rage-attack by putting two no-no syllables together in a completely out-of-context magic word in another thread?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I don't think racist is a good word to describe my distaste for particular cultural segments. I just hate groups that are what would be best understood to be uncivilized, whether it's the south, San Frantrancisco, eastern Europe, the middle east, or sub Saharan Africa.

Brilliant individuals can come from those areas and there can be pockets of civilization within. Those individuals get respect and merit despite where they hail from and the one ripe apple may be something I'm willing to buy but you're a fool if you expect me to smile when others try to force me to buy the whole rest of the rotten barrel to get the one apple I want.

[Pokesan]

115 words to echo 'one of the good ones'

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

115 words to echo 'one of the good ones'

Yes, most humans are the bad ones. Did you just figure that out?

[Doors]

My only problem with illegal immigrants is that they get full health and welfare benefits when they aren't even citizens.

People like this reap the benefits of the system while your normal US citizen pays through the roof on taxes, healthcare, etc.

[Pokesan]

I don't think racist is a good word to describe my distaste for particular cultural segments. I just hate groups that are what would be best understood to be uncivilized, whether it's poor people, LGBT, Slavs, Semitic, or black

[Pokesan]

there's more to being a hateful bigot than saying the n word

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I only know how to associate Sanfran with people not on the sexual binary

SanFrantrancisco is authoritarian Chariman Pao extreme leftist central. Where they put their dicks/clits has nothing to do with it. Nice to see you stereotyping though. Sargon's law in action.

[Tasslehofp99]

I would vote for a president who actually closed the border if I believed that they would be allowed to do so by the real powers that be.

[Systolic]

Anyone who enters our country illegally is a criminal. Trump was completely right. By breaking our immigration laws, they immediately become criminals.

[Tradesonred]

portasaurus' threads get deleted because of "staff bashing" but Kagatob and Big_Japan can post racist shit all day long and nobody bats an eye

stay classy p99

Or me eating a ban using the word N*gger in an unmistakable sarcastic way but yea those people all day every day

I mean Zade thought Casey was writing fine humor

[Bigtokes]

Anyone who enters our country illegally is a criminal. Trump was completely right. By breaking our immigration laws, they immediately become criminals.

^^ This man gets it. This statement is as true as you can get

[Tradesonred]

What about refugees you racist morons

[Fael]

Because their children grow up to be your boss due to great work ethic instilled by decent parents and have fully naturalized into the culture?

You actually believe that? That is cute.

[Millburn]

You actually believe that? That is cute.

What Fael is trying to say (sans the douche bag connotations and lack of sources) is that second generation mexican immigrants in the united states ALMOST have parity with native citizens but still under-perform by 2 to 4% as compared to the white population. This is an increase from 10% under-performance by first generation immigrants but that's largely due to the gender disparity between male and female mexican immigrants and how quickly they assimilate to the much more egalitarian gender disparity we have in the united states. For lack of better words, mexican immigrant women are almost caught up to white women but it's still a work in progress and thus dragging down the metrics.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/second-generation-mexicans-getting-ahead-or-falling-behind

[Hijiri]

Most undocumented are not criminals. Hard working, too.

There's no correlation between immigration of any kind and increased rape and violent crimes.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/256081616_Undocumented_Immigrants_as_Perceived_Cri minal_Threat_A_Test_of_the_Minority_Threat_Perspec tive

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

And to clarify the second link before someone misunderstands my statement in lieu of the link please note that there is an increase of crime between first and second generation immigrants but even then it remains lower and in instances the same as natural born citizens.

Thats not true.

While stationed at pendleton with the Marines we would regularly practice capture/engage techniques ( since they have to cross land owned and controlled by the base to get north of San Diego )50% 'is were repeat offenders (deported-returned)/known criminal with ice or carried some type of illegal drug.

[Ket]

Why do we want so many low educated foreign nationals in this country?

Why is this even a discussion.


Because all these low educated idiots with a US citizenship we got now are so much better.

[Millburn]

Thats not true.

While stationed at pendleton with the Marines we would regularly practice capture/engage techniques ( since they have to cross land owned and controlled by the base to get north of San Diego )50% 'is were repeat offenders (deported-returned)/known criminal with ice or carried some type of illegal drug.

Sources please otherwise this is all conjecture.

Also please note that who you catch at the border is a very small sampling of a much larger population entering the country. A population I have already provided many sources for in previous replies and which you have quoted but don't seem to have digested.

Summary? Yes rape and crime happens from immigrants but across the board there is lower incidence from the legal and illegal population. This rate of incidence raises with 2nd generation but does not exceed the rate of incidence from the native population.

[Rec]

If only we had elected Pat Buchanan. He would have built the fence he wanted and that girl would still be alive. That'll teach ya voters!

[iruinedyourday]

WELL I SEE BLUE OFF TOPIC IS STILL RETARDED AS ITS RNF WAS

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

WELL I SEE BLUE OFF TOPIC IS STILL RETARDED AS ITS RNF WAS

Go away SJW.

[Hijiri]

Sources please otherwise this is all conjecture.

Also please note that who you catch at the border is a very small sampling of a much larger population entering the country. A population I have already provided many sources for in previous replies and which you have quoted but don't seem to have digested.

Summary? Yes rape and crime happens from immigrants but across the board there is lower incidence from the legal and illegal population. This rate of incidence raises with 2nd generation but does not exceed the rate of incidence from the native population.

Sources or conjecture?

Lol wut?

I-me-myself-that guy in I see in the mirror- experienced these things first had. Was 50%'ish young guys who were criminals or on their way to join gangs in LA and the surrounding areas in the hopes of earning easy cash in the drug trade. And thats why we were linked up with dea,fbi,ice when we did these op's. not border partol . Those guys are on the border,and man the stations along the known path up the coast. pendleton is north of the border between San Diego and LA.

Sounds like your talking out of your ass millburn. Trump might be a complete dumbass but he wasn't wrong.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

but yea those people all day every day

Citation needed.

I toned it down a bit after getting a butthu.... I mean heartfelt PM from a certain name in green over a month ago.

[Lune]

I really think it comes down to whether you believe one culture can be better than another.

I know it's in vogue right now among young people to believe in cultural relativism, that cultures are only different, not better or worse, and that we should blame whitey for the way Africa, South America, etc turned out, and that having a multicultural society adds something. I think that's patently false, and it represents a woeful inability to critically assess history and anthropology.

Culture is the single strongest determinant behind how well you prosper in modern society. Some cultures tend to be more conducive to better performance than others (Jews, Chinese, Vietnamese diaspora, Northern Europeans). It isn't about your 'race', the color of your skin, or any of that nonsense. It's about the deeply ingrained set of beliefs, behaviors, values, and cognitions that characterize your upbringing and the way you navigate your life and your community.

I like my culture. I generally like the way we do things here in the United States. I have no problem with immigrants, only as long as they eventually assimilate. I don't want the contribution of Mexican immigrants to be that California becomes more like Mexico. Now, there are other barriers to assimilation, including racism and economic/informal segregation, but that's another discussion.

[Madbad]

We wouldn't be having this discussion if it wasn't a cute white girl that got shot.

[Troof]

Boo this man!

[Big_Japan]

I really think it comes down to whether you believe one culture can be better than another.

I know it's in vogue right now among young people to believe in cultural relativism, that cultures are only different, not better or worse, and that we should blame whitey for the way Africa, South America, etc turned out, and that having a multicultural society adds something. I think that's patently false, and it represents a woeful inability to critically assess history and anthropology.

Culture is the single strongest determinant behind how well you prosper in modern society. Some cultures tend to be more conducive to better performance than others (Jews, Chinese, Vietnamese diaspora, Northern Europeans). It isn't about your 'race', the color of your skin, or any of that nonsense. It's about the deeply ingrained set of beliefs, behaviors, values, and cognitions that characterize your upbringing and the way you navigate your life and your community.

I like my culture. I generally like the way we do things here in the United States. I have no problem with immigrants, only as long as they eventually assimilate. I don't want the contribution of Mexican immigrants to be that California becomes more like Mexico. Now, there are other barriers to assimilation, including racism and economic/informal segregation, but that's another discussion.

Dats rayciss.

[paulgiamatti]

I really think it comes down to whether you believe one culture can be better than another.

I know it's in vogue right now among young people to believe in cultural relativism, that cultures are only different, not better or worse, and that we should blame whitey for the way Africa, South America, etc turned out, and that having a multicultural society adds something. I think that's patently false, and it represents a woeful inability to critically assess history and anthropology.

Culture is the single strongest determinant behind how well you prosper in modern society. Some cultures tend to be more conducive to better performance than others (Jews, Chinese, Vietnamese diaspora, Northern Europeans). It isn't about your 'race', the color of your skin, or any of that nonsense. It's about the deeply ingrained set of beliefs, behaviors, values, and cognitions that characterize your upbringing and the way you navigate your life and your community.

I like my culture. I generally like the way we do things here in the United States. I have no problem with immigrants, only as long as they eventually assimilate. I don't want the contribution of Mexican immigrants to be that California becomes more like Mexico. Now, there are other barriers to assimilation, including racism and economic/informal segregation, but that's another discussion.

Good post. I agree with all of this sans the bit about assimilation, only because I think there needs to be a wider conversation about cultural assimilation and what it ought or ought not to entail.

[Big_Japan]

Real talk though, this bullshit comes from cultural marxist Anthro 101 indoctrination that directly contradicts what is being taught in actual evidence-based non-bullshit science courses. This is the education you go into decades of debt for so you can be trained as a youth that the opposite of cultural relativism is called the pejorative "ethnocentrism", aka racism, and that "there is no scientific validity to the separation of races".

This latter stands in direct opposition to epidemiology and the genetic basis of things like sickle-cell disease, which has a vastly higher incidence in certain populations which correlates usefully along racial lines. Try mentioning the facts to a soft scientist and they'll have an aneurysm or cross themselves. All their masters really want to do is convince everyone that intelligence is comparable across all racial lines, which is a conclusion easily reached using reason. But the plebs stupid enough to pay for a non-STEM education can be trusted to stick with dogma, not reason.

This conveniently leads to twisted thinking down the line that rejecting the importation of third-world warlord culture and the dilution of value of the individual in the American labor pool (the dilution of your economic value) to the benefit of a select few international parasites is racism. As evidenced by serfs literally calling me out for being a racist in this thread when I am quite the opposite of that.

[paulgiamatti]

I guess another caveat I'd add is that I completely disagree that multiculturalism doesn't add anything to society. I sort of glossed over that part having so strongly agreed with Lune's remarks about cultural relativism, which I do think is a very toxifying ideology and is the sole reason we have idiots like Ben Affleck trying to tell everyone who criticizes Islam that they're racist.

So that's definitely a point of contention I'd put forth. I mean, I would hate to live in a country that actively works against a multicultural society, that wants to keep everything white-washed and sterile. But, at the same time, there is this really awful air of political correctness currently surrounding the left and liberalism as a whole which instills, and protracts, a huge amount of anxiety and white guilt in people who would otherwise be able to think for themselves.

[Millburn]

Sources or conjecture?

Lol wut?

I-me-myself-that guy in I see in the mirror- experienced these things first had. Was 50%'ish young guys who were criminals or on their way to join gangs in LA and the surrounding areas in the hopes of earning easy cash in the drug trade. And thats why we were linked up with dea,fbi,ice when we did these op's. not border partol . Those guys are on the border,and man the stations along the known path up the coast. pendleton is north of the border between San Diego and LA.

Sounds like your talking out of your ass millburn. Trump might be a complete dumbass but he wasn't wrong.

What I'm trying to tell your poor misguided soul is that your individual experience does not reflect an accurate representation of a MUCH larger system at play. Yes, you experienced what you experienced and I value your opinion but it remains opinion (and yes, conjecture) until you can provide some sources (sorry should I have said citation?) with statistical analysis that supports your anecdotal claim.

Yes Trump is a dumbass, no Trump wasn't right.

Edit: To be a little more clear of what I'm saying here is that I don't doubt what you went through at your base was a regular thing. What I'm contesting is that the types of people and the type of crime you experienced from these people at your base accurately reflects a common tend among the larger legal and non-legal immigrant population at large. That's SPECIFICALLY what I'm contesting. I don't doubt what you went through was legitimate. I apologize if you didn't understand that earlier.

[MrSparkle001]

I like how Mexico is very strict with their border though.

[Bigtokes]

I like how Mexico is very strict with their border though.

Americans may come through and take the jobs at the motor plants :)

[Glenzig]

Trump doesn't want Mexicans and south Americans to move away and leave his sweat shops.

[Rec]

north korea has landmines for their border, lets try that

[Tiewon Shu]

Anyone who enters our country illegally is a criminal. Trump was completely right. By breaking our immigration laws, they immediately become criminals.

^^ This. And I hope Trump wins all his lawsuits against those contractually obligated to show the Miss Universe pageant.

[milsorgen]

Trump is an attention seeking blowhard. The narcissistic rambling speech he shat out would of been unlistenable were it not for the laughs.

[Lune]

Trump is an attention seeking blowhard. The narcissistic rambling speech he shat out would of been unlistenable were it not for the laughs.

He's saying all the things the other Republican candidates want to say but can't because it would be political suicide. He's also temporarily redirecting the national dialogue away from issues that decimate Republicans, such as gay marriage, income inequality... and pretty much any other issue really. Immigration is one issue where I think Republicans can find a lot of support from centrists, and even people who normally lean to the left. I think a lot of people dislike how Democrats handle immigration. When you know Democrats are going to capture the Hispanic vote because of their shameless pandering to immigrants, both legal and illegal, taking this kind of hardline stance is a good way to gain the favor of frustrated whites.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RNC was paying him to run interference leading up to the campaign.

Of course, neither side really wants to do anything about illegal immigration. Cheap labor makes a lot of industries a lot of money, and our politicians are for sale. Like anything else, it's a rhetoric contest.

[Millburn]

He's saying all the things the other Republican candidates want to say but can't because it would be political suicide. He's also temporarily redirecting the national dialogue away from issues that decimate Republicans, such as gay marriage, income inequality... and pretty much any other issue really. Immigration is one issue where I think Republicans can find a lot of support from centrists, and even people who normally lean to the left. I think a lot of people dislike how Democrats handle immigration. When you know Democrats are going to capture the Hispanic vote because of their shameless pandering to immigrants, both legal and illegal, taking this kind of hardline stance is a good way to gain the favor of frustrated whites.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RNC was paying him to run interference leading up to the campaign.

Of course, neither side really wants to do anything about illegal immigration. Cheap labor makes a lot of industries a lot of money, and our politicians are for sale. Like anything else, it's a rhetoric contest.

Pretty sure you hit the nail on the head with this one Lune

[Bigtokes]

He's saying all the things the other Republican candidates want to say but can't because it would be political suicide. He's also temporarily redirecting the national dialogue away from issues that decimate Republicans, such as gay marriage, income inequality... and pretty much any other issue really. Immigration is one issue where I think Republicans can find a lot of support from centrists, and even people who normally lean to the left. I think a lot of people dislike how Democrats handle immigration. When you know Democrats are going to capture the Hispanic vote because of their shameless pandering to immigrants, both legal and illegal, taking this kind of hardline stance is a good way to gain the favor of frustrated whites.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RNC was paying him to run interference leading up to the campaign.

Of course, neither side really wants to do anything about illegal immigration. Cheap labor makes a lot of industries a lot of money, and our politicians are for sale. Like anything else, it's a rhetoric contest.

Yup...who will pick the tomatoes and cut the lawns. The can pay them slave wages and nobody is the wiser. Who is going to speak up? Politicians get their bribes and everyone is happy. The only way things would change is if there is some world wide disaster which renders money useless and the entire world has to rebuild from the ground up.

[Tiewon Shu]

Trump is an attention seeking blowhard. The narcissistic rambling speech he shat out would of been unlistenable were it not for the laughs.

You know he is winning the primary polls so far by 16% yes?

[Tenderizer]

Anyone who enters our country illegally is a criminal. Trump was completely right. By breaking our immigration laws, they immediately become criminals.

This. Either way you look at it laws are to be upheld and at the end of the day what this man says and other echo is the correct statement and end all for this thread.

[MrSparkle001]

You know he is winning the primary polls so far by 16% yes?

Polls won't count for months.

[Millburn]

This. Either way you look at it laws are to be upheld and at the end of the day what this man says and other echo is the correct statement and end all for this thread.

Did Trump not also say they were rapists?

[stormlord]

OP says "Hey illegal are bad don't ruin my superiority complex."

It's sad when truth is stated some don't watn to hear it.

Fact is poverty and illegals aren't the source of crime and aren't the reason things have gone to hell in your side of the world. Study after study shows while violent/rape/robbery crime is more common in poor neighborhoods, this doesn't necessarily remain true in other countries. Furthermore, there're many types of crime, not just violent/rape/robbery. When you sum it all up, poor communities share just as much of the burden as any other. When poor illegals stream into this country and are lumped along with all of the other poor people in their community, one might have hte mistaken impression they're criminal or linked ot criminals. But the truth is the crime was already there and it's no illegal whom bring the crime. And also not all poor communities in the US have higher rates of certain crime. And sometimes the people who commit the crime in the poor neighborhoods aren't themselves poor. Just remember this there're lots of gray areas in this issue and many spin it to twist the truth.

Poor people across the world face many challenges. Don't make it harder by being a dick and hating them. Much of the people in the US are second and third and fourth generation children of poor immigrants who sailed to the US for opportunity. Only because the US is now developed and so many more rules in the books are these people now "illegal" or otherwise.

We should not become isolationist. The things we have are the product of hundreds, thousands of years of sacrifice. Whether they come here or don't everybody on the planet needs to have opportunity and access to education. The planet is shrinking by the day. What benefits said country benefits us if we're truly tolerant and supportive of a better future.

[Slathar]

trump is an idiot and America is filled with idiots. why are people surprised he has a base?

[Bigtokes]

lol Trump STILL proving the haters wrong. Anyone who does not see the truth has been living in their moms basement..oh that is right, this is an EQ forum.:p

[applesauce25r624]

bunch of limp dick liberals in this thread