Why our group left red.

[Token]

Hello. I recently picked up the game again. I had a 54 warrior on blue that i played a couple years ago, did some raids, had some fun. Gave everything away when I entered grad school.
I rejoined recently and leveled an enchanter to 30 on red. I had a couple friends and a family member (3) join me on red who had past experiences on live, pre-pop. We had a blast for a couple weeks as we slowly made it to around 25. That's where things went sour.

They quit. And I've followed suit.

We were driven to quit by how impossible it became to put a group together and not have it destroyed by some shadowknight/warrior/monk/rog/druid with (to us) a ridiculous amount of gear advantage.
On a single day, I was killed 3 times in 15ish minutes while attempting to do a CR in Mistmoore (one snare, resulting in an xp death). Numerous times we put groups together only for everyone to just give up and say try again later because of the relentless onslaught by twinked pvper's.

Anyhow, I rerolled on blue and the experience is inferior in every way; the xp is slower, the camps and zones are incredibly cramped, and reputations/friendships are infinitely less important. I can't bring myself to enjoy playing on blue, so I am putting that away as well. Red should have more people than blue. Maybe at least a part of the problem is what I am describing.

We were a group of enchanter/monk/druid/necro. We had one good fight (that we lost) but was super fun. The vast majority of our experience beginning around level 15ish was facing overgeared folks. Folks that looted the small amount of coin we carried, every single time.

We made strong efforts to bring groups to upper guk, runnyeye, HHK, and splitpaw. A couple times we were successful, but most of the time it was impossible to get anyone away from Faydwer.

I've read through the forums and its been suggested tons of times that well-established people should refrain from killing "noobs" as it discourages new players from entering the server, but I just wanted to reiterate it based on my group's collective experiences.

It seems like some people get their greatest joy from being able to get people to ragequit, but its probably not good for the population overall or for the non-hardcore.
I typically would message whoever killed me and say something along the lines of "hey, you got me. Can we call a truce? I can't land any spell on you if I tried. We're just xping and Im trying real hard to to get some new folks excited to play and keep them going"

On occasion someone would help us out or leave us alone, but most the time I was met with responses like "better you leave the server now if you can't handle it" or "Call LNS" or something. I get it, I can ask permission to come get my body, but my friends and I have planned for the past 3 days to get together tonight and have an xp group. We spent an hour looking for folks to fill the group, 30 minutes waiting on them to get here, and now we're expected to pick up and move to where? its hard to convince anyone to leave faydwer.

Its a rant and I know its long, but if you've read it - the server lost 4 folks who were very excited about playing here. We do enjoy pvp. We did understand that we would die and be set back. We also knew the risks associated with dying. We didn't know that "Killing Newbs" would be as popular as it is, or that people would try so hard to cause xp deaths or that the 3 casters in my group would never (not a single time that I can recall) be able to cast a spell on the people trying to kill us.

We know that we could have sucked it up and pushed through to higher levels and that we could have just waited till we were all on and ventured out by ourselves, but we're all social people who wanted to interact with others and we didn't want to just hurry up and level. We focused on Sol Ro quests and tried to enjoy the trip.

I'm really just pretty irritated- I love the game and I think everyone here knows how exciting it is when you're able to convice RL folks to enjoy it with you. I'm bummed I couldn't keep any of them on board.

[dontbanpls]

You made the right choice ultimately. This is a very selfish community that would rather be in a Hatfield vs McCoy style feud than thrive and be vibrant.

[TacoSmasher]

replace the monk with a mage or another necro and you guys could have been pet raping everything on the road to 60. Druid would have allowed you easy mobility to plenty of empty locations when PVP got bad.


Sorry to see you go. Melees are for twinks if you are starting here in rags.


RIP

[quido]

Genuine new players should stay away from the crowded "good exp" zones.

I did.

[Uuruk]

Genuine new players should stay away from the crowded "good exp" zones.

I did.

Pretty much this. Level in not heavily populated spots, get to 50 or so and join good guys.

[Qtip]

Your new. People will have a gear advantage over you. This is a pvp server.

[Tradesonred]

To me that is the main problem with red. "Normals" come and go without being able to reach critical mass so theres enough of these types of players around for them to find their place on the server. There seems to be a recent influx of new people, im not so sure where that will lead.

For sure if i did not have a level 60 already and a couple of 40+ and someone explained to me the toxic dynamic going on on red with alot of the established geared vets, i doubt id start here, though with TMO and velious pop might snowball upwards. I have a feeling it wont last though as griefers just gorge themselves on griefing lulz and make 90% of that new blood quit.

I often suggested during year 1 or 2 that item loot combined with patched sets of no drops would have solved the problem of hard to kill twinks with nothing to lose but that wasnt considered (publically anyway) once the launch was live. We would have had ample time for a wipe with item loot and no xp loss in pvp from the get go, instead of prolonging kunark so much that every neckbeard on the server now has an AON.

I mean with your scenario, you guys could have dropped what you were doing and hunted some twinks for a chance at a piece of gear, which was part of 50% of my gaming sessions back on live. Now what do you have to gain beside learning how to pvp. In itself its not so bad but it gets boring after a while knowing youll lose 95% of fights and for lots of people for whom pvping for hours isnt their thing, they will simply log off instead of fighting back with terrible odds. Even if you win, the twink will just be back as much as he wants. On live when we ganged up on twinks and got ourselves a piece of gear, often that was the cue for the twink to leave the zone. Here fighting back just means you are amusing the twink, you are lessening the chances that he leaves you to your xping in rags. Your best bet is to log off and hope he gets bored or move elsewhere each time a twink shows up, hoping he doesnt follow you from zone to zone with his 8 twink alts.

Now imagine when Red99 launched that on top of all that, you had to eat xp death each time you died in PVP to a twink. You couldnt even go through the learning process of pvping without adding a huge backlog to your grind. So this isnt as bad as it was 2-3 years ago. It took a long time for the devs to realize they were getting trolled by griefers "BUT BIND RUSHING!! DONT DO IT!!" and removed xp loss in pvp. Only when pop reached 75 peak after a 600 people server launch did they come around though. Theres not a whole lot they can do now because theyve backed themselves into a corner. No wipe, ever, and the policies they had for so long empowered the worst types of players and let them be the dominant force on the server. The only thing i can think of that would help people like you is an event that twinks you guys out, like the halloween event of 2001 but hey that wouldnt be classic to do that before the end of velious, as opposed to muting OOC.

Maybe if you find it in you to slug it out till velious you might see an influx of non-toxic folks but like i said i wouldnt bet on them sticking around for long considering whos established on the server.

[Tradesonred]

And dont expect sympathy from most of these selfish assholes. With their anti-social personality disorders, putting themselves in the shoes of others is not something they practice alot.

[Bazia]

server was way better at launch

didn't have people binding at loot camps giving zero fucks about dying like now

[Tradesonred]

Yeah remember when server was hitting one digit pop numbers in the morning? Those were the days.

[Tradesonred]

The reason it got to be a ghost town is because of xp loss in pvp, youd have to be pretty blind and oh-im-a-manly-marlboro-man-i-take-xp-death-like-a-real-man person like Chewie not to see it.

[Tassador]

So glad ecoli back to caring about a server he openly has quit and said was a waste of time multiple times. Conclusion you got nothing else brotha!

[Qtip]

I started here with nothing 6 months ago. Pop was around the same and I had no friends. Suck it up and get better. With the group make up you guys had, you should be downing twinks.

[Smedy]

played my monk in rags from 1 to 59 without epic or fungus didn't die in pvp until lvl 52 when i engaged people at lvl 60 in kc (there was 8 level range back then)

pretty sure anyone with smarts can play to 60 without dying, putting yourself in the situation you explain is no one to blame but yourself

[Eslade]

the problem was your group and choice of xp spots, like others pointed out.

also didn't read Tradesonred's because they are generally garbage from a pessimistic moron who doesn't play here.

[Tradesonred]

played my monk in rags from 1 to 59 without epic or fungus didn't die in pvp until lvl 52 when i engaged people at lvl 60 in kc (there was 8 level range back then)

pretty sure anyone with smarts can play to 60 without dying, putting yourself in the situation you explain is no one to blame but yourself

But who cares about your personal experience? It just means you had prior experience in EQ. Youre an EQ lifer who spent 4 years on VZTZ, good for you. That doesnt apply to everyone. Smedy is exactly the kind of person i was talking about that seems to be incapable of putting himself in other people's shoes. Me, me, me. Tried to get at someone who might or might not have been wheelchair bound by picking on his inability to stand up a walk. Kind of embodies a good chunk of the playerbase of red.

Not knowing the game inside out because you didnt dedicate most of your waking life for years to EQ makes you stupid. Ironically that was exactly Nizzar's attitude.

And the irony is also that this way of thinking is fucking stupid as hell.

[Tradesonred]

If you dont get to 60 without dying, even if you never played EQ, youre stupid. Thats basically the essence of his ego-stroking idiotic post.

[Barkingturtle]

I have no friends. I have leveled a couple characters to about 30. I have never been killed by a twink. I've barely set foot on Faydwer. That's really the key.

Blackburrow --> Wisp Island --> Befallen --> A little Najena --> SolA --> Ding 30 --> Get a boner for a different class and reroll.

[Smedy]

ecoli absolutely not a psycho

don't flailquest me bro

[TacoSmasher]

I started here with nothing 6 months ago. Pop was around the same and I had no friends. Suck it up and get better. With the group make up you guys had, you should be downing twinks.

Big Qtip layin it down.



While it sucks you had a bad time OP, a pet combo of enc/necro/mag/druid or some variation would wreck most twinks and you would get plenty of XP and spell PP without needing pickup people. Kunark has almost no epic fungi twinks.

Unfortunately if you are starting in rags, your initial class choices are very important. And to make the most of your playtime, you need to plan and strategize to avoid being constantly killed by twinks


RIP

[Videri]

It seems like some people get their greatest joy from being able to get people to ragequit, but its probably not good for the population overall or for the non-hardcore.

First of all, you're right. Players with this griefer attitude are detrimental to the server's population. However, there are ways around them; and with your group's composition, you might even be able to fight back.

We made strong efforts to bring groups to upper guk, runnyeye, HHK, and splitpaw. A couple times we were successful, but most of the time it was impossible to get anyone away from Faydwer.

I would forsake the isle of Faydwer entirely. Tis a silly place.

That group composition should be able to exp anywhere else. If you can get 1-2 more, like a tougher tank or a cleric or shaman, you'll be golden.

I know you like to be social - trust me, there will be new people to play with on Antonica from time to time. I just had a pickup group in South Karana.

We were a group of enchanter/monk/druid/necro.
This group, if played right, should be able to fend off a twink. Some tips:

If all four of you pumice at once, the twink will lose 8 buffs. (These twinks always have a full line of buffs to make them nearly invincible; dispelling them en masse will cut them down to size.) You guys did carry pumice, right?

With the enchanter's Tash, you should be able to land spells on them. If you can use Snare, Darkness, Root, Mez, or Disempower/Cripple line, the twink will be severely hobbled.

The necromancer's Heart Flutter like of spells is Disease-based, and no one stacks disease resistance; and that spell will stack with the enchanter's disempower line, further encumbering the enemy.

Necro lifetap and leech spells are unresistible. Twinks are unlikely to have high enough fire resist to stop druid nukes or the Necromancer's fire-based DoTs, but if they do, you can even use the necro's Scent line of spells to debuff all resists except magic.

With these debuffs, plus necro and druid DoTs, and the monk's melee attacks and perhaps a necro pet, you might be able to scare off the twink - or even YT them.

Try it if you guys come back.

[grannock]

I rolled on this server 5 months ago for the first time as a rogue. I got to 60
by myself, no fungi, no epic till 54. Ya i died to twink pvpers a handfull of times on the way to 60, but now im basically bis, all in 5 months, with the help of a strong raiding guild.

Anyone can play on this server. Expect to die in pvp a bit, ignore the fucks that have been playing on this server for 4 years and hate their life cause they repeatedly fail at the high end comtent.

[Mr Popo]

Everything you guys say ITT is stupid as shit. Please reroll with no gear, come back in a week and apologize to OP.

[Mr Popo]

And I understand that qtip means well, but he is still wrong.

[Tulnavara]

Everything you guys say ITT is stupid as shit. Please reroll with no gear, come back in a week and apologize to OP.

Just did. I'm 35 now. Died twice to twinks, my group turned around and killed them once. We didn't have twinks in our group at the time either. We were just ready, on our guard, and coordinated. The two deaths, I told the twinks good fight and they left me alone after that and I outleveled them in a couple of hours and was oor. With the xp bonus it's not hard to do.

[El Camacho]

I can echo what others have said. It can be trying at times being a lone player, but you have a group of people, which opens up your options.

The best advice I can give you is to start up a static group. You already have 4 people, so throw up a post looking for 2 more that want to play on your set days in your level range. You might have trouble finding 2 people at your current level, especially for specific classes, but give it a try. There are a lot of people who making alts and having a steady group is very attractive, especially for people who play classes that don't solo well (warrior/cleric).

Even starting over at level 1 with a group of 6 regular players and a well balanced group is a viable option. You can go anywhere you want and have entire zones to yourself if you don't want to deal with the twinks. Or you can go to popular grouping places and stand your ground against the twinks. Especially if the group all remains the same level.


Use your existing characters to farm up some money for the new group if you need.

[Genedin]

Common misconception, at low lvls an enchanter tash WILL NOT provide enough negative MR for roots, snare, etc to land on any quality twink, so that theory does not work.

However, if these guys did indeed all carry a pumice stone and cast it at the same time, and they had druid sow, they should pretty much never die against a single twink.

Also like everyone else said, you already have a group, just go exp in obscure areas, I don't even level my own twinks in mistmoore because even though I won't get wrecked I also won't be able to exp.

[Pikrib]

My advice is to level while Empire is raiding. You won't get attacked by any twinks.

[Mr Popo]

Yeah guys, let's tell a group of 4 total noobs to buy pumice stones instead of, you know, spells, tell them they need to be more coordinated, and act like it is real advice.

Just did. I'm 35 now. Died twice to twinks, my group turned around and killed them once. We didn't have twinks in our group at the time either. We were just ready, on our guard, and coordinated. The two deaths, I told the twinks good fight and they left me alone after that and I outleveled them in a couple of hours and was oor. With the xp bonus it's not hard to do.

What class did you play?

[Bazia]

hes a naked rogue and his advice is perfect, eat the death or 2 keep griding and withan 2 hours you will be oor to that forever level 30 fungi SK in Mistmoore

[Mr Popo]

PS I would be surprised if all 3 of those pets together could do 20% damage in a minute to *******, ***** or ********. Roots, resisted. Nukes <10% damage. Melee, totally useless even with some solid way better than fine steel weapons. Get a fucking clue guys. If you came in here and told them to run that would be real advice. 'Buy pumice stones' WHAT THE FUCK.

[Bazia]

holy shitty phone post

[Mr Popo]

hes a naked rogue and his advice is perfect, eat the death or 2 keep griding and withan 2 hours you will be oor to that forever level 30 fungi SK in Mistmoore

I want to see his gear cause I'm calling bullshit. It is simply not possible to kill the twinks ungeared even in a group of 5. This is just basic math, you do not hit hard enough and they will slaughter you in a 5 hits.

[heartbrand]

A fungi wearing rogue is going to rape these raw hide tunic groups so bad a pumice won't matter

[heartbrand]

Some of you forget what it's like to play here untwinked. You're lucky to afford your spells at that level nevertheless multiple pumice. You think these people have jboots? Lol.

[Mr Popo]

PS anyone who kills someone twice who is obv new to the box cause they don't call LNS should be stomped IRL until they stop twitching.

[Tulnavara]

hes a naked rogue and his advice is perfect, eat the death or 2 keep griding and withan 2 hours you will be oor to that forever level 30 fungi SK in Mistmoore

Yep. I guess I've run across you? :P

[Mr Popo]

Tuln what is your mainhand?

[Eslade]

a lot of people feel the need to take getting raped in pvp as a personal attack and decide to send tells to the guy that just killed them.

resist that urge, it usually gives you the opposite of what you want. most twinks well leave you alone since they just want the leaderboard points anyway. tell them good game, and loot and scoot if you have to.

[Tulnavara]

I want to see his gear cause I'm calling bullshit. It is simply not possible to kill the twinks ungeared even in a group of 5. This is just basic math, you do not hit hard enough and they will slaughter you in a 5 hits.

Managed to bring over a few thosuand plat at 25 and bought a crystalline spear and CSS. Before that I had a goblin backstabber(6/18) and an obsidian scimitar someone gave me day 1. Haven't run across a twink since that happened though. I'm still wearing tattered leather from belt/lego pad quests and have no rings or earrings. Few other misc pieces of completely trash gear and the dwarven tunic(probably my best piece of gear) I got while leveling in CB. I'm camped out in NFP, feel free to come inspect me tonight.

[Mr Popo]

Just did. I'm 35 now. Died twice to twinks, my group turned around and killed them once. We didn't have twinks in our group at the time either. We were just ready, on our guard, and coordinated. The two deaths, I told the twinks good fight and they left me alone after that and I outleveled them in a couple of hours and was oor. With the xp bonus it's not hard to do.

So that means you probably killed one of the two rogues I won't want to mention the names of. One that is in UR and the other camps CB. They were full life when the fight started? What was your team comp?

[derpcake]

Better things have higher entry barriers.

[Tulnavara]

Me, Ranger, 2 Mage, Cleric, Druid. Mages both had earth pets up and amazingly a root and snare landed. We were probably just lucky tbh. If their sow hadn't been broken by the root and we had it ourselves we would've probably all died like the first time.

[Mr Popo]

Yeah. Thats why it takes an hour for established 60s to get power leveled 5 levels by friends. Lotta noob shaming up in here.

[Mr Popo]

Me, Ranger, 2 Mage, Cleric, Druid. Mages both had earth pets up and amazingly a root and snare landed. We were probably just lucky tbh. If their sow hadn't been broken by the root and we had it ourselves we would've probably all died like the first time.

Like I said man, this is just not a reasonable expectation of noobs to both get lucky, use a lot of coordination, then maybe they stand a chance. Instead, you could put some resist caps in below 40ish and half of the nonsense would stop. Item loot sounds like a terrible idea to me since the most likely result will be noobs losing their valued gear. I guess it gives some incentive for counter ganking but as is obv by this thread the established player base doesn't give a fuck about the new player experience so it still seems like a bad fix.

[Eslade]

made it 1-36 in rags solo as a cleric.

0 sympathy from me.

[Genedin]

When I started I farmed sisters in Lfay (almost 100% uncontested) until I had a few hundred plat to buy my spells and pumice with, so yes its easily possible to afford spells and pumice.

[Genedin]

Double Post - I still think that with the amount of gear on this server they should protect new players somehow though.

[Mr Popo]

This thread is dumb

[daasgoot]

good luck in future endeavor's OP

[iiNGloriouS]

Didn't read.

Tldr? No one fucking cares.

[karsten]

this is why i twinked out Karsten -- to meatshield it up vs the EVIL fungi rogues and sks preying on the INNOCENT newbies in mistmoore!

[minakto]

this is why i twinked out Karsten -- to meatshield it up vs the EVIL fungi rogues and sks preying on the INNOCENT newbies in mistmoore!

Oathbreaker was making some pretty heinous accusations against you for consorting with his sworn enemy of all Erudites and the Island of Odus.

Are you in fact an Odusite agent?

[Tapatio]

OP: I tried to level up in one of the most popular "newb" zones, aka twink pk graceland, and it was hard. I'm quitting.

/bye

[Qtip]

Bottom line... When you show up to a game/server 4 years after it was released you will be at a disadvantage. 30+ you will be getting the same geared out people until you're geared yourself. Level to 50 and go to city of mist. Level to 55 and go to Kc.

To play here you will have to be creative and learn how to really play the game. You cant find a camp and sit there for 24 hours telling everyone its yours and to leave.

To the op. Good luck, if pvp isnt for you try blue. If blue is boring try another game or give red another shot.

[Strange]

didnt read every comment,but...

all you had to do was out level the twinks because they stay the same level..20-30 in MM,ive seen plenty of people chase out twinks from mistmoore,

you will run into more twinks around lvl 49(wizards) in CoM and 55 twink alts in guk/solb/com/seb/KC etc, most are gods work,azrael alts self buffed with their boxed toons,ull want 2-4 people pelling them all at once and they will run away

[grannock]

My advice is to level while Empire is raiding. You won't get attacked by any twinks.

Dont exp while we are in sky.

[Strange]

I want to see his gear cause I'm calling bullshit. It is simply not possible to kill the twinks ungeared even in a group of 5. This is just basic math, you do not hit hard enough and they will slaughter you in a 5 hits.

ive seen many scrub geared groups chase out Xrated and Silvers or Rorona in mistoore and make them plug,they are also buffed toons.

saw reebz and tifa (posted a screenshot in reebz thread) chase out xildrakvar like 10 times while they were in scrub gear and missing slots.

[bloodletter]

wipe it, postpone velious launch... re-launch kunark and velious on proper timelines

[Pumped]

TLDR About why we quit,

bad players, no idea how to pvp, goes to mistmoore

the end

[milsorgen]

Wierd. I forgot I was logged in over the 4th... alt tabbed to fimdmy little dude sitting outside the entrance of a popular dungeon for over 24 hours. 100% unmolested.

Still, even otherwise who plays pvp not expecting a rough time from time to time?

[Tradesonred]

I rolled on this server 5 months ago for the first time as a rogue. I got to 60
by myself, no fungi, no epic till 54. Ya i died to twink pvpers a handfull of times on the way to 60, but now im basically bis, all in 5 months, with the help of a strong raiding guild.

Anyone can play on this server. Expect to die in pvp a bit, ignore the fucks that have been playing on this server for 4 years and hate their life cause they repeatedly fail at the high end comtent.

I mean thats one possibility, to just suck it up till 60. Thats not a super interesting experience compared to Rallos, to say the least. You can then gear out some alts that other new people will also run away, log off from because they have nothing to gain from fighting back other than keeping the twink interested in picking on them. I had an SK alt to protect newbs in CB for a while but dont have the kind of gear thats necessary to fight some of these hardcore twinks. I have a solist icy want on my lvl12 wiz and i couldnt even dent this guys HP who was standing in one spot and laughing it off for 5mins just tanking my manaless nukes.

[Tradesonred]

Again its not that bad, you can suck it up and it could be fun at 60 with TMO around recruiting normals so you experience mass pvp, but its hard not to wonder what could have been low level experience if we got item loot instead of blubie mechanics tacked on red without thinking through the consequences.

[Eslade]

so much text, so little read

[Casey VII]

in everquest consistency is the key

if you can't muster simple consistency you will fail

[Quiet]

This guy is a crybaby and we don't need him on the server.

Booohooo some twink killed me and i ran back and got killed again, and then i ran back and got killed a 3rd time. Clearly no understanding of LnS or just camping till said person is gone.

Crying about gear gap... what ya gonna do at level 56 when you are in range to all level 60s and still in rags. Better to leave now so we don't waste our time gearing you up so u can quit again when /hardmode appears in game.

I leveled 1-60 on a fucking Ranger, with a cock blocked epic, no fungi, no blue plats and no family members / IRL friends also playing. Got killed by every griefer on the server. Who cares.

[Fame]

Seriously have no idea about the "grief" people are experiencing in the popular zones.

Been around the server for a few years now, I have exclusively leveled up on the crushbone path --> Unrest/MM a number of times, I think I have an alt of every class at lvl 35+

Yes there are twinks, but like others have mentioned, they are easy to out level and it only takes a little bit of time. Also, be on guard, /who, twink in zone? Announce it in group if it hasn't been called already, hold pulls and prepare pumice.

Bummer to see ya go, I would suggest giving it one more go, maybe a planned exp session in kunark?

The twink factor really thins out big time at about lvl 35-40. At that point a fungi will only allow them to keep coming back, not play godmode, you'll be able to do enough damage to force them to run, this is a good thing, it's time to learn about how to finish a kill.

Good luck to ya, truth be told, you will never find a better place for the gaming that you desire. I haven't played anything else for 3+years now. Everquest.

[Tradesonred]

Id say stick it out to 60 if you think you can handle a good portion of the pop being constituted of people like Quiet and Eslade, in the hopes that less toxic people populate the server once Velious comes around. But you will have to deal with these kind of personalities on a daily basis at end game and it might be a while till new blood reach 60 to make a noticeable difference in the nature of the server pop, if ever.

[Eslade]

Id say stick it out to 60 if you think you can handle a good portion of the pop being constituted of people like Quiet and Eslade, in the hopes that less toxic people populate the server once Velious comes around. But you will have to deal with these kind of personalities on a daily basis at end game and it might be a while till new blood reach 60 to make a noticeable difference in the nature of the server pop, if ever.

would like you to point out one instance where I griefed a noob.

shit stain

[Tradesonred]

It wasnt about you griefing noobs, poopie pants

[Ezalor]

would like you to point out one instance where I griefed a noob.

shit stain

you have been posting on an everquest forum since 4 am

it's time for you to seek employment

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FQ aka job perk

Oh right

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WOOOOOOOOW!

[hatelore]

Hello. I recently picked up the game again. I had a 54 warrior on blue that i played a couple years ago, did some raids, had some fun. Gave everything away when I entered grad school.
I rejoined recently and leveled an enchanter to 30 on red. I had a couple friends and a family member (3) join me on red who had past experiences on live, pre-pop. We had a blast for a couple weeks as we slowly made it to around 25. That's where things went sour.

They quit. And I've followed suit.

We were driven to quit by how impossible it became to put a group together and not have it destroyed by some shadowknight/warrior/monk/rog/druid with (to us) a ridiculous amount of gear advantage.
On a single day, I was killed 3 times in 15ish minutes while attempting to do a CR in Mistmoore (one snare, resulting in an xp death). Numerous times we put groups together only for everyone to just give up and say try again later because of the relentless onslaught by twinked pvper's.

Anyhow, I rerolled on blue and the experience is inferior in every way; the xp is slower, the camps and zones are incredibly cramped, and reputations/friendships are infinitely less important. I can't bring myself to enjoy playing on blue, so I am putting that away as well. Red should have more people than blue. Maybe at least a part of the problem is what I am describing.

We were a group of enchanter/monk/druid/necro. We had one good fight (that we lost) but was super fun. The vast majority of our experience beginning around level 15ish was facing overgeared folks. Folks that looted the small amount of coin we carried, every single time.

We made strong efforts to bring groups to upper guk, runnyeye, HHK, and splitpaw. A couple times we were successful, but most of the time it was impossible to get anyone away from Faydwer.

I've read through the forums and its been suggested tons of times that well-established people should refrain from killing "noobs" as it discourages new players from entering the server, but I just wanted to reiterate it based on my group's collective experiences.

It seems like some people get their greatest joy from being able to get people to ragequit, but its probably not good for the population overall or for the non-hardcore.
I typically would message whoever killed me and say something along the lines of "hey, you got me. Can we call a truce? I can't land any spell on you if I tried. We're just xping and Im trying real hard to to get some new folks excited to play and keep them going"

On occasion someone would help us out or leave us alone, but most the time I was met with responses like "better you leave the server now if you can't handle it" or "Call LNS" or something. I get it, I can ask permission to come get my body, but my friends and I have planned for the past 3 days to get together tonight and have an xp group. We spent an hour looking for folks to fill the group, 30 minutes waiting on them to get here, and now we're expected to pick up and move to where? its hard to convince anyone to leave faydwer.

Its a rant and I know its long, but if you've read it - the server lost 4 folks who were very excited about playing here. We do enjoy pvp. We did understand that we would die and be set back. We also knew the risks associated with dying. We didn't know that "Killing Newbs" would be as popular as it is, or that people would try so hard to cause xp deaths or that the 3 casters in my group would never (not a single time that I can recall) be able to cast a spell on the people trying to kill us.

We know that we could have sucked it up and pushed through to higher levels and that we could have just waited till we were all on and ventured out by ourselves, but we're all social people who wanted to interact with others and we didn't want to just hurry up and level. We focused on Sol Ro quests and tried to enjoy the trip.

I'm really just pretty irritated- I love the game and I think everyone here knows how exciting it is when you're able to convice RL folks to enjoy it with you. I'm bummed I couldn't keep any of them on board.


As my father used to tell me at the ripe age of 10 when I'd fall off our quarter horse and spill my bottle of fine southern bourbon, "man up boy!" From that day on, I kept a closeable gatoraid top on my bourbon to avoid accidental spills.

[Eslade]

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getting paid the whole time. how much were you getting paid while separating the time stamps from my posts?

oh, nothing? enjoy homelessness when welfare dries up fire giant.

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[Knightt 2.0]

You made the right choice ultimately. This is a very selfish community that would rather be in a Hatfield vs McCoy style feud than thrive and be vibrant.

Says the guy who de leveled a 60 vp epic warrior to grief noob in nM

[LostCause]

what in the fuck.

[Tradesonred]

Says the guy who de leveled a 60 vp epic warrior to grief noob in nM

Kinda hard to debate with that

But hes making efforts, thats for sure

[Tapatio]

FQ aka job perk

Oh right

yikeS

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[Token]

Lots of replies.
Here's the answer to a couple suggestions/questions:

Why did we stay in Faydwer? That's where people were. We wanted to play with others and although we played with one another semi-regularly, we did play alone, with 3, or just paired up alot. We wanted to stay near to one another, but still allow each other flexibility to group and such.

Crystallized pumice? I just looked it up, I never knew what that was. I don't know how much it costs, but we had an incredibly hard time affording spells, so I doubt we could buy them.

Why u such a bitch? I dunno, I probably could have stuck it out. The point of this post wasn't wah wah wah, feel sorry for me. Its more like "Hey, I got 3 cool guys to join me on this dope server and all 3 of them were driven away by something"

Maybe u just aint made for this? Again, maybe so. I played eq pvp around 2001 (post-velious i think). It was really really fun. Lots of battles, but no one ever (atleast at lower levels) seemed invincible. Strong, but not invincible.

Just level past the jerks? We didn't join the game to grind our way to 60 ASAP. We liked quests, we liked pvp (when its fun), and we liked exploring. We had many, many xp deaths (trying to get my enchanters golden rod at level 19 in upper guk resulted in the entire group being deleveled once. It was the most fun we probably had). We honestly estimated that in a year we'd be like 55 or so.

All that being said, the majority of folks we met were awesome and super generous. I've gotten a message since posting this offering free PL'ing past MM levels and some gear. That's super cool and thank you. I will be declining though. I came here with buddies and they've left.

Final thoughts:
Maybe I lead a group of wienies or whatever, but the way we remember eq was that when you saw someone in the most amazing gear (fungus tunic, epic, jboots (which used to seem pretty epic when you saw them) or whatever else) they were normally helping you out or giving you pointers. On this server its more scary than anything else.

[Pumped]

Final Thoughts

TLDR

go to paw if you want to exp without twinks

[Token]

I think a good point was made early in this thread by Mr Popo that I can expand upon.

I'm used to the overgeared everyone from my time on blue - it sucks, but I can slam my fists on the desk and get over it.

My friends look at all the guys running around with (literally) the best gear we could ever possibly get (probably would take years) and they're just kinda like "what the hell is the point of this" kind of like that quote from Lyndon Johnson about civil rights that goes something like "its not fair to take a man that has been held down by the chains of oppression and bring him up to the starting line of a race and say "you are now free to compete with the others" and still think you're being just" (its something like that).
Clearly this isn't as significant civil rights, but I'm just trying to illustrate a point. Its frustrating to new players and bad for the population.

[Swish]

Token if you got plat I'll make up you and your pals some MR gear, stat gear or whatever... or if the ship has definitely sailed then best of luck out there pal.

[Token]

Final Thoughts

TLDR

go to paw if you want to exp without twinks

Yah, you might have missed what i was saying, but we expected to be in our twenties for atleast a few weeks or so. We like interacting with others. We probably would never raid, just occupy the mid levels, make friends, and have fun for a very long time. Splitpaw is cool (and a place we wanted to go), but really we were well aware of places we could go by ourselves to XP. We wanted XP, socializing, questing, and not to go hide by ourselves or seek out powerleveling for 40 levels.

[Token]

I appreciate it Switch, but the ship has sailed.

I know its coming, so I'm going to preempt it a bit: what am I doing on the forum since I quit?

Project1999 forums is one of the best forums I've ever read. It's a fun place to be, read, rant, or whatever else. I probably won't ever give the forums up.

[iruinedyourday]

My level 6 wizard was invincible with my Mithral Quill pre vel and terrorized all of gfay for weeks. So it's classic.

[Barladore]

Jesus Christ, you came here with incredibly unrealistic goals for you and your friends then you blame the community for your own lack of foresight. It's year 4 of kunark and everyone is bored to death of it. Most people have 3+ lvl 60s toons and have killed all end game bosses multiple times over. The population is bored, get over it. If you do happen to come back, I'll see you in MM on my lvl 24 ragebringer alt.

[iruinedyourday]

Ive leveled 3 characters 20-40 in MM in the last like 4 months and have been killed like maybe 4 times in that zone, and that was on my first red character who was naked and basically thought my nonviolent /sitting would make the twinks not attack me.

that said, i was pleased to find that my corpse was never looted.

But I am aware Agatha and Rag are on rage mode right now and all over MM killing and looting corpses all day while im just sitting here fucking this guys wife i met at the dog park and posting on my mobile phone, so idk whats going on inside the game.

[Eslade]

I don't get the point of this thread.
what do you want?

[Agatha]

i have never had a newbie griefer on this server, not once.

[Agatha]

also it sounds like your looking for something an emulated server can't offer you, go pay for something if you want a server that is on a even playing field. a server that has been stuck in kunark for 4 years is not going to give you a "level" playing field.

tbh its your fault for not realizing this and not just playing elsewhere.

[iruinedyourday]

also it sounds like your looking for something an emulated server can't offer you, go pay for something if you want a server that is on a even playing field. a server that has been stuck in kunark for 4 years is not going to give you a "level" playing field.

tbh its your fault for not realizing this and not just playing elsewhere.

victim blaming shame on u

[Casey VII]

I don't get the point of this thread.
what do you want?

He presumably wanted a conversation or a series of explanations. He probably got both.

Anyways this is a really cool unbalanced game, it's not for most people.

Your friends experienced hardship & negativity and they simply moved onto the next thing as people in this current culture tend to do.

Do people like that suck? I think so, but that's just a biased opinion from someone who wears a crown of rile. I have a crown of rile.

[Token]

also it sounds like your looking for something an emulated server can't offer you, go pay for something if you want a server that is on a even playing field. a server that has been stuck in kunark for 4 years is not going to give you a "level" playing field.

tbh its your fault for not realizing this and not just playing elsewhere.


I don't think an "even playing field" is in order. I just wanted to put my group's experience out there.
I saw Loli somewhere in this thread earlier. I know of atleast 2 occasions where she broke up a group I was a part of. It doesn't seem like a big deal but when people's first experiences with PvP is (as a group) being utterly helpless to kill or hurt a single player around their level, it drives people to quit. You can say "just level up" or whatever but thats not the point.

The point is this:
Why would any person who tries out Red 1999 stick around when their first 20 pvp experiences went like one of the scenarios below:
Killed before you had time to react.
Faced a single person of the same level in a 5 or 6v1 and lost hard.
Go to find refuge by a guard only to have a high level pull the guard, then get killed by someone lower level than you in just a few seconds.
Killed repeatedly during a corpse retrieval.
Unable to land a single spell, ever, on the guy attacking you.

It leads people to think that the only way to enjoy a PvP server is to have amazing gear. Thats a huge barrier to entry.

I don't know why your experience wasn't the same as mine, but this is how our collective experiences went.

[Sriracha]

i have never had a newbie griefer on this server, not once.

star cops

[LostCause]

just write us a novel maybe someone will read it.

i bought me a copy of ton po









































































naw i lied.

[PhelanKA]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spsot/images/7/73/Token_Black.png/revision/latest?cb=20140223232053

[Token]

He presumably wanted a conversation or a series of explanations. He probably got both.

Anyways this is a really cool unbalanced game, it's not for most people.

Your friends experienced hardship & negativity and they simply moved onto the next thing as people in this current culture tend to do.

Do people like that suck? I think so, but that's just a biased opinion from someone who wears a crown of rile. I have a crown of rile.

Exactly, I just wanted a conversation about it. It's fun to talk things over, get different perspectives.

The other stuff; pretty much nonsense.

Remember the magic of playing eq when you would see the same bard for 2 years around level 30-45 and never make it any further? or the guys that seemed to live in unrest forever? Or the ones sitting at the bank selling stuff that never seemed to do anything else? not everyone races to the end of the game. The game would be bad if they did. They immerse themselves in the game and try to get the most out of the experience.

As far as negativity and hardship; you don't know what you're talking about. Don't take a conversation from normal and sane to stupid and nonsensical. We're still talking about sitting in front of a computer. There's no such thing as hardships here. We're just talking about making something a little more fun/less frustrating for others. Thereby keeping them around.

[Vayder]

the way we remember eq was that when you saw someone in the most amazing gear (fungus tunic, epic, jboots (which used to seem pretty epic when you saw them) or whatever else) they were normally helping you out or giving you pointers. On this server its more scary than anything else.

[Pumped]

dude goes to the most popular twink pvp zone for low levels, wants to make friends, socialize and quest

gets shit on

posts novels no one reads

later nerd

[Casey VII]

He really does sound mad at this point.

[Agatha]

star cops

what low level did i have in star cops that griefed? lol.

[Token]

He really does sound mad at this point.

Some people in my family are pretty dumb. They're uneducated, maybe unhappy, and have pretty terrible jobs.

We often have big family dinners together. It's really a great time. We start off playing Taboo or Life while my mom entertains her grand-kids and puts the finishing touches on dinner. Being in the south, its typically catfish, hush puppies, a side of coleslaw, and corn-off-the-cob. Sometimes we're really lucky and she will throw down on that special "its Thanksgiving in July" meal that consists of turkey, dressing, homemade-cranberry sauce, fried okra, and fresh corn muffins.
After dinner, the kiddos go to the other room and play. The little ones typically fight over the blocks or the dog. Maddy, our old bloodhound is a real joy to be around; sweet as a ripe blueberry off the vine. The little ones can even get away with pulling her tail. Several times we've caught them trying to convince the smallest ones to try to ride her. We discourage it of course; don't want them to hurt the poor thing.
Inevitably, the adults end up sitting around,talking about the news, parenting, or really anything interesting that's on someone's mind. It's normally a great discussion; extremely civil and enjoyable. The only problem with these discussion is that its normally interrupted by one of those dumb people.
They normally come in two shades: the passive aggressive ones that deliver poorly disguised personal attacks, and the ones that are more mouthy and say things like "You're just mad" or "Watch your mouth" or "Shut up".

I don't know if you've ever experienced those dumb people before, but you've just emulated both varieties.

I know you read all of that.

[Cappa]

wait a sec did i read " a couple weeks" and 25 in the same sentence?

[LoliPops]

l2p

[Casey VII]

I SKIMMED IT BARELY, HO HO HO

[B4EQWASCOOL]

I wish you a merry summer and a happy Shark Week.

[Tradesonred]

Theyre emulating dumb people

Good one, sorry to see you leave

[Humerox]

Some people in my family are pretty dumb. They're uneducated, maybe unhappy, and have pretty terrible jobs.

We often have big family dinners together. It's really a great time. We start off playing Taboo or Life while my mom entertains her grand-kids and puts the finishing touches on dinner. Being in the south, its typically catfish, hush puppies, a side of coleslaw, and corn-off-the-cob. Sometimes we're really lucky and she will throw down on that special "its Thanksgiving in July" meal that consists of turkey, dressing, homemade-cranberry sauce, fried okra, and fresh corn muffins.
After dinner, the kiddos go to the other room and play. The little ones typically fight over the blocks or the dog. Maddy, our old bloodhound is a real joy to be around; sweet as a ripe blueberry off the vine. The little ones can even get away with pulling her tail. Several times we've caught them trying to convince the smallest ones to try to ride her. We discourage it of course; don't want them to hurt the poor thing.
Inevitably, the adults end up sitting around,talking about the news, parenting, or really anything interesting that's on someone's mind. It's normally a great discussion; extremely civil and enjoyable. The only problem with these discussion is that its normally interrupted by one of those dumb people.
They normally come in two shades: the passive aggressive ones that deliver poorly disguised personal attacks, and the ones that are more mouthy and say things like "You're just mad" or "Watch your mouth" or "Shut up".

I don't know if you've ever experienced those dumb people before, but you've just emulated both varieties.

I know you read all of that.

here's your problem. you're entirely too normal for the large population of sociopaths we have here.

seriously though, a lot will change come Velious. try it again after August.

[vouss]

Grannock telling you to basically continue eating deaths, join Empire who's doors are open to anyone, get BiS, continue dying to everyone, then post on the forums about how you die to everyone

[Xaanka]

I appreciate it Switch, but the ship has sailed.
Project1999 forums is one of the best forums I've ever read. It's a fun place to be, read, rant, or whatever else. I probably won't ever give the forums up.

hey Eslade I found a friend for you

[Pumped]

Some people in my family are pretty dumb. They're uneducated, maybe unhappy, and have pretty terrible jobs.


We often have big family dinners together. It's really a great time. We start off playing Taboo or Life while my mom entertains her grand-kids and puts the finishing touches on dinner. Being in the south, its typically catfish, hush puppies, a side of coleslaw, and corn-off-the-cob. Sometimes we're really lucky and she will throw down on that special "its Thanksgiving in July" meal that consists of turkey, dressing, homemade-cranberry sauce, fried okra, and fresh corn muffins.
After dinner, the kiddos go to the other room and play. The little ones typically fight over the blocks or the dog. Maddy, our old bloodhound is a real joy to be around; sweet as a ripe blueberry off the vine. The little ones can even get away with pulling her tail. Several times we've caught them trying to convince the smallest ones to try to ride her. We discourage it of course; don't want them to hurt the poor thing.
Inevitably, the adults end up sitting around,talking about the news, parenting, or really anything interesting that's on someone's mind. It's normally a great discussion; extremely civil and enjoyable. The only problem with these discussion is that its normally interrupted by one of those dumb people.
They normally come in two shades: the passive aggressive ones that deliver poorly disguised personal attacks, and the ones that are more mouthy and say things like "You're just mad" or "Watch your mouth" or "Shut up".

I don't know if you've ever experienced those dumb people before, but you've just emulated both varieties.

I know you read all of that.

So you are really dumb, got it.

dude goes to the most popular twink pvp zone for low levels, wants to make friends, socialize and quest

gets shit on

posts novels no one reads

later nerd

[Fame]

OP pm me play times if ya do decide to come back after velious, I can play whatever if we had set times