Been gone this week

[Agatha]

well, found out when i woke up today that the alliance has broken, can't say i didn't see it coming.

either way, for everyone not knowing what to do, search your feelings, what did you see in that guild? what did you see work? what did you see not work?


a few of us will still be here, we never stop playing, get in touch with me if you are a friend or want a few new ones :).

[Uuruk]

RIP jib dkp

[Agatha]

forgot to add, i wont be in game until after july 4th/5th, got RL shit to do my mom is making me clean my room.

hit me up on aim : phillipbanksy
PM me here @ Agatha

toodles pals.

[grannock]

You saw it comming? When?

[Eslade]

http://www.smokingmeth.net/images/smoking-meth-light-bulb.gif

[Madbad]

aim is for cool normal people

[dontbanpls]

Thanks for helping to ruin <Fresh> even tho you knew this was going to be a massive pile of shit Agatha

[sigeon]

Honestly, I thoroughly enjoyed most of my time in GG. ~95% of the people in there were willing to help and hilarious/fun to hang out in TS.

The parts that worked:

Unified sense of direction for the first ~4 weeks
Experienced players that were willing to educate new players (assuming you had thick skin)
All of the members that hadn't been on this server for 5+ years and were cool, supportive, and liked helping out others.


The parts that didn't work:

That unification disappearing and going back to cliques after a few major losses. Primarily by people that could've helped the most (VP geared mains).
Disconnect between full-VP characters and new players. Technically falls under 'cliques' I guess. The hilarious part was having a 'FKP' system that everyone bypassed if they were capable of doing so without recourse.
Lack of consistency between officers. Manifested in various ways (DKP, conflicting PvP orders, no real chain of command)
Officers acting like petulant children / verbalizing their demoralization in TS. Even if you're losing, you *have* to keep your head up. Especially as a leader. Get the fuck over your elf-sim drama - I understand that losses are frustrating, but that really influenced the mindset of a ton of your members.
DKP system in general. Although they work, they are purely greed driven and, in the long run, are a net detriment.


With that being said, if we time-traveled and I had to do it again - I'd still have gone GG. Made a lot of friends there and the overwhelming majority of the members were well-adjusted and pretty cool. Became a better player, got taught some good lessons, had a lot of fun.

To all my former GG pals - I hold absolutely no ill will towards *anyone* in that guild. I went TMO purely because most of my friends I had played the most with in GG went there, and I want to see true competitive PvP on this server. As always, hit me up for any buffs/rezzes/heals.

-Sigeon [60 Cleric / PvP YT Sponge]

[Malevz]

So basically everything that was predicted and Fresh was warned about came true? Odd that.

Wish all you guys luck in Empire or TMO if you choose, was some cool people in the guild.

[heartbrand]

Well this went as predicted

[Madbad]

Things that worked:

Initial sense of unity for like a week.

Things that didn't:

Poor forum PR (Syft rage threads, Lite and Agatha QQ rule change threads, constant bumping of opposition shitposts with nerdrage)
FKP\DKP system
No interest in fighting if there was a chance of losing
TS was a mess (tons of assholes in TS, main reason I tapped out)
Self interested cliques
Scumlords were allowed free reign to be scummy(dont ask, snitches get stitches)
Little interest in anything but farming seb

[Madbad]

All in all an enlightening experience, I will likely be lone wolfing or rolling in small crews if i ever load up EQ again.

[dontbanpls]

should have listened to me. i bet all the posts i made about holocaust on the forum pale in comparison now huh?

[Madbad]

should have listened to me. i bet all the posts i made about holocaust on the forum pale in comparison now huh?

Micah 7:8

[Pumped]

max no one will ever listen to anything you say because you are a stupid kid. None of the high levels were meant to stay in fresh, its a leveling guild.

And it was the best guild on the server, you could have kept it and kept recruiting low levels and it could have been a great feeder, but you burged out as usual and now you have nothing

have a good life tho hope it works out.

[dontbanpls]

being a feeder would have been so much fun, especially for a toxic guild run by shit heads

[Madbad]

We were going to be a feeder no matter how it turned out Max.

[dontbanpls]

That is not true at all. Is TMO going to somehow be a feeder now too?

[Madbad]

That is not true at all. Is TMO going to somehow be a feeder now too?

Ill consult my magic 8-ball

http://i.imgur.com/fxdWJhz.jpg

[dontbanpls]

There is a thread like 20 pages long full of things we did that helped to define <Fresh> as it's own guild and not a feeder. The bad attitudes people developed thanks to the alliance, and people like yourself spreading them around are what changed that.

[dontbanpls]

Nah you just fucked up and signed a deal with shit heads. Take responsibility for your actions. You know damn well that you talked up this merge and spread dissent in the ranks.

[Madbad]

I mean, they will retain a core of people who have played together for years, but I predict they are going quickly of gearing recruits who flip to <Empire> as soon as they realize <TMO> can't advance them any further.

[dontbanpls]

I think that you joined too late in the game to recognize that <Fresh> had a core of members that came from nothing. I also think that Gardur and Tala didn't have enough respect for those people or their ability to accomplish great things. I felt differently and that was why I refused to throw it all away by merging with these worthless pieces of shit.

[heartbrand]

No1 cares u lost sry bye

[Madbad]

I did talk up the merge on the forums, I did not, however, spread dissent in the ranks.

And as far as that 20-page forum thread goes, half of the people on that page either apped empire once they got all they could out of <Fresh> or stopped logging in. We already were a feeder guild.

Still <3 you Max.

[Madbad]

I think that you joined too late in the game to recognize that <Fresh> had a core of members that came from nothing.

That is a valid point.

[dontbanpls]

I did talk up the merge on the forums, I did not, however, spread dissent in the ranks.

And as far as that 20-page forum thread goes, half of the people on that page either apped empire once they got all they could out of <Fresh> or stopped logging in. We already were a feeder guild.

Still <3 you Max.


Half of those people stayed and they are the ones that mattered to me.

[Madbad]

Half of those people stayed and they are the ones that mattered to me.

That's a good attitude Max, I wish you would have applied it to your own actions before disbanding <Fresh>.

[magician]

No1 cares u lost sry bye

also rich

also been winning red99 since inception

[Madbad]

also rich

also been winning red99 since inception

congrats in the circle jerk

[Madbad]

Just remember to jerk the douche on the left hand side

[dontbanpls]

I did. I was not going to put them in a situation where they had to be attacked by <Empire>, and either forced to play and accept being a 100% feeder to <Good guys> or also be attacked by <Good Guys>. People like yourself, Tala, and Gardur convinced everyone that I was holding the guild back over personal beef, that I wasn't mature enough to lead the guild suddenly etc etc. I was not going to be forced to use the guild that I had put together for that.

These guys can pretend that <Fresh> was around because of them all that they want, but they didn't spend as much time combined, as I did on the guild by myself. None of you considered what Karsten and I had put into the guild. We must have donated well over 600k in raw plat and items to the guild. Somehow we ended up being the only people that didn't have a voice when it came time to discuss the merge.

[heartbrand]

Prolly cuz u both are obese and dum

[Madbad]

None of you considered what Karsten and I had put into the guild. We must have donated well over 600k in raw plat and items to the guild. Somehow we ended up being the only people that didn't have a voice when it came time to discuss the merge.

And I salute you on that Max.

Karsten and your voice were heard, you guys jest sounded angry and petulant so most of us ignored you. In retrospect you guys were right. I think you would have been better listened to if you guys would have been willing to have an actual conversation about the future of <Fresh> instead of just flipping the bitch switch and making threats.

[Madbad]

Prolly cuz u both are obese and dum

Then we are in good company.

[dontbanpls]

I had plenty of actual conversations. In fact I had so many that I got tired of discussing it and flipped that switch. I know that I discussed it for several hours every single day for almost a week until you happened to be involved in one. The problem was that despite having those discussions Gardur/Tala kept running around telling people that it was still on the table after every other officer unanimously agreed, without me, that we should not merge.

[Madbad]

Any way you guys were right, but, gloating is unbecoming.

[dontbanpls]

Considering that probably 99% of this forum was happy to see me get stabbed in the back I think I am ok with rubbing some noses in it

[Videri]

Sigeon, you summed it all up perfectly.

[Madbad]

Considering that probably 99% of this forum was happy to see me get stabbed in the back I think I am ok with rubbing some noses in it

rub on brother

http://i.imgur.com/YxMYZdN.jpg

[Qtip]

All in all an enlightening experience, I will likely be lone wolfing or rolling in small crews if i ever load up EQ again.

Best way to play this server is lone wolf. It will get boring after a while though. Thats where Im stuck currently.

[Pumped]

That is not true at all. Is TMO going to somehow be a feeder now too?

Thunderdome is the feeder, TMO will be 50+ very soon

Thats how everquest works, 50+ guilds and everyone else in a fun / friendly leveling guild.

Sorry you burged out

[dontbanpls]

Thunderdome is the feeder, TMO will be 50+ very soon

Thats how everquest works, 50+ guilds and everyone else in a fun / friendly leveling guild.

Sorry you burged out

You are a very negative person who in my opinion has never had anything worthwhile to say. I don't like you and I have grown tired of reading your posts. I'm going to add you to ignore. Best of luck to you in dealing with your own personality.

[Uuruk]

I did. I was not going to put them in a situation where they had to be attacked by <Empire>, and either forced to play and accept being a 100% feeder to <Good guys> or also be attacked by <Good Guys>. People like yourself, Tala, and Gardur convinced everyone that I was holding the guild back over personal beef, that I wasn't mature enough to lead the guild suddenly etc etc. I was not going to be forced to use the guild that I had put together for that.

These guys can pretend that <Fresh> was around because of them all that they want, but they didn't spend as much time combined, as I did on the guild by myself. None of you considered what Karsten and I had put into the guild. We must have donated well over 600k in raw plat and items to the guild. Somehow we ended up being the only people that didn't have a voice when it came time to discuss the merge.
Those awesome pals drove the guild right off a cliff.

[Uuruk]

Those awesome pals drove the guild right off a cliff.

Oddly enough right into a bad situation which we warned against. Same thing we are trying to warn TMO about but they don't care. Fuck why not give a guy an 11th chance on the server. He learned his lesson!

[Pumped]

slow down posting and try to combine multiple thoughts into 1 post , instead of typing something else and mushing the post button while waiting for the 1 minute to go by.

[Eslade]

holy shit take it to PMs

[Humerox]

Oddly enough right into a bad situation which we warned against. Same thing we are trying to warn TMO about but they don't care. Fuck why not give a guy an 11th chance on the server. He learned his lesson!

I really think the bad apples will weed themselves out of <TMO>. As long as the leadership remains pure it'll be fine.

[Tassador]

Happy July 4th the greatest nation in the world!

[Madbad]

I really think the bad apples will weed themselves out of <TMO>. As long as the leadership remains pure it'll be fine.

and if they don't you can just hop on to the next big thing

[Rekrul]

When are you going to stop crying max? You were the leader and you led the guild into disbanding. You were clearly a terrible guildleader, as your massive failure shows, stop whining on the forumns every other day.





dumb bitch

[Uuruk]

Lol

[Alarti0001]

You are a very negative person who in my opinion has never had anything worthwhile to say.

Projectionist

[Casey VII]

Update : i have a crown of rile

[Mr Popo]

omfglololol

[Humerox]

and if they don't you can just hop on to the next big thing

That might be a fair assumption if I were a guild-hopper. I've never left a guild and joined another before the guild I was in folded.

Didn't app <TMO> until today. ;)

[Sriracha]

it is true the TS is particularly harsh to listen to... a nerd hurricane of high tones

[Xaanka]

Oddly enough right into a bad situation which we warned against. Same thing we are trying to warn TMO about but they don't care. Fuck why not give a guy an 11th chance on the server. He learned his lesson!

Dude I'm pretty sure we all get your point but you're posting here and in the recruitment thread as if TMO suddenly handed all these players you don't like full membership. They're all applicants, and TMO doesn't just hand out membership on a whim. Ask anyone in leadership or any long-time member, and it's pretty clear the guild is more focused on who's behind the keyboard than how many pixels a player has already acquired. I'll say first hand the membership process isn't just a walk in the park -- I app'd and tagged right when they came to red, I've been putting in serious work, and I haven't earned membership yet myself. They don't just let anyone in.

[Uuruk]

Dude I'm pretty sure we all get your point but you're posting here and in the recruitment thread as if TMO suddenly handed all these players you don't like full membership. They're all applicants, and TMO doesn't just hand out membership on a whim. Ask anyone in leadership or any long-time member, and it's pretty clear the guild is more focused on who's behind the keyboard than how many pixels a player has already acquired. I'll say first hand the membership process isn't just a walk in the park -- I app'd and tagged right when they came to red, I've been putting in serious work, and I haven't earned membership yet myself. They don't just let anyone in.

You guys didn't need to take in the toxic players you did app or not. The problem is nobody gets blacklisted on this server regardless of what your past is. Just not the same as it was on live. Server is going to be blue as fuck when velious comes out so it doesn't matter anyway.

[Cecily]

Yeah, well you're talking to a guild that doesn't have a history here, isn't interested in your opinion, and would like to make their own impressions on people. Why are you so mad?

[Bazia]

when i was in holo they did the exact same thing recruiting everyone who was interested

except andis of course

[Wizing]

Uuruk . Who are you in game ?

[Wizing]

toxic- Colgate Is responsible for deleting and striping more then 10 accounts . And your crying about other players ?

[Uuruk]

Yeah, well you're talking to a guild that doesn't have a history here, isn't interested in your opinion, and would like to make their own impressions on people. Why are you so mad?

So you want to gather your own opinion of a former guild leader that has posted videos of him calling enemy players "******s"

Guys probably not a complete psychopath and destroyed multiple guilds right????

[Madbad]

So you want to gather your own opinion of a former guild leader that has posted videos of him calling enemy players "******s"

Guys probably not a complete psychopath and destroyed multiple guilds right????

As if anyone in <Empire> has the credibility to call someone else a racist.

[Wizing]

Uuruk stop wasting your time . No1 cares about what you have to say

[B4EQWASCOOL]

As if anyone in <Empire> has the credibility to call someone else a racist.

[Slathar]

You guys didn't need to take in the toxic players you did app or not. The problem is nobody gets blacklisted on this server regardless of what your past is. Just not the same as it was on live. Server is going to be blue as fuck when velious comes out so it doesn't matter anyway.

this dude is furious over vidya games heh

[Samsung]

When are you going to stop crying max? You were the leader and you led the guild into disbanding. You were clearly a terrible guildleader, as your massive failure shows, stop whining on the forumns every other day.





dumb bitch

lmao

[Agatha]

there really is a vile, putrid, disgusting hate that spews from the mouths of empire members on this forums, its a primal mid-evil practice from another time in gaming history. time to retire it to that decade. its the time of love and being happy.

[Voland]

I app'd and tagged right when they came to red, I've been putting in serious work, and I haven't earned membership yet myself. They don't just let anyone in.

I don't get it – so you could be tagged for TMO, but not be a member?

[Videri]

I don't get it – so you could be tagged for TMO, but not be a member?

Not a full member. There is an application period. Maybe a TMO guy can elaborate.

[Alarti0001]

I don't get it – so you could be tagged for TMO, but not be a member?

Not a full member. There is an application period. Maybe a TMO guy can elaborate.

seems a little to basic to have to explain :(

[LostCause]

http://artshacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/decide1.jpg

[Agatha]

lol noone has been in a real guild before on this server, with an app period, every guild is always so desperate for members they have always taken anyone with a pulse lol.

[Xaanka]

lol noone has been in a real guild before on this server, with an app period, every guild is always so desperate for members they have always taken anyone with a pulse lol.

[Voland]

lol noone has been in a real guild before on this server, with an app period, every guild is always so desperate for members they have always taken anyone with a pulse lol.

Real guild sounds like a 9-5 job... I already got a job:)

[Xaanka]

Real guild sounds like a 9-5 job... I already got a job:)

Couldn't be further from the truth, they just take vetting members a lot more seriously than other guilds on the server. There's zero attendance requirements and the guild vibes seem to be very "play at your own pace, just don't suck or be obnoxious when you show up"

[Slathar]

Real guild sounds like a 9-5 job... I already got a job:)

me too. its called project1999 red server pvp enabled.

signed,

Over King Zeelot's Golem

[iruinedyourday]

they just take vetting members a lot more seriously than other guilds on the server.

Ragnaros <TMO>
Agatha <TMO>

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[Slathar]

Ragnaros <TMO>
Agatha <TMO>

http://travelblawg.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/internet_troll.png

Worship

1-104


*gets in spaceship and flies to Mordor*

[iruinedyourday]

Made you plug

[LostCause]

http://i.imgur.com/rcNrT.gif

[Xaanka]

Ragnaros <TMO>
Agatha <TMO>

http://travelblawg.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/internet_troll.png

People I don't like applied to a guild I'm not in

literally shakeing