Quillmane Rules?

[psyphon]

Is there an official line on Quillmane camp rule, or is it just the wild west down there?

Apparently Sirken said on a stream that if you have a player watching at each of the three spawn points, and a 4th killing PHs, then you are effectively "camping Quillmane", and standard outdoor non-fixed spawn rules do not apply?

Anyone have a link to which stream and when he said that? And would that make it gospel?

I've heard of a petition going in favor of a solo player who essentially FTE'd a Quillmane while each spawn was being camped by a team in the manner described above.

Such a ball ache of a camp, seems like some guidance would probably avoid a lot of petition hassle.

[Kreylyn]

Is there an official line on Quillmane camp rule, or is it just the wild west down there?

Apparently Sirken said on a stream that if you have a player watching at each of the three spawn points, and a 4th killing PHs, then you are effectively "camping Quillmane", and standard outdoor non-fixed spawn rules do not apply?

Anyone have a link to which stream and when he said that? And would that make it gospel?

I've heard of a petition going in favor of a solo player who essentially FTE'd a Quillmane while each spawn was being camped by a team in the manner described above.

Such a ball ache of a camp, seems like some guidance would probably avoid a lot of petition hassle.

Monday's stream he talked about it.

Don't be confused though... Q is a FTE mob, as is any mob that has random spawn points in outdoor zones. AC in Sro is another example.

What he was saying, is if you want to "lock it down" making it easier for your group to get FTE, bring 4 peeps at least... 1 killing phs, 1 at each of the 3 "random" spawn points.

You still have to FTE the mob... you just make it much easier.

That's the rules... generally speaking though players will be more expecting to have no competition if they are sitting at the spawn points.

Krey

[Cecily]

No. If you're camping the spawn points, it's no longer a FTE mob. It's camped.

[Ezalor]

use common sense?

if they have someone at each spawn point, they're camping it. come back another time.

[Lady Julae]

No. If you're camping the spawn points, it's no longer a FTE mob. It's camped.


Well yes and no. If you (solo) are camping a particular spawn point, then yes, "that" spawn point is camped. It's impossible to camp all 4 spawn points solo, so camp rules do not apply, but FTE.

A group of 4, however can successfully "own" the Quillmane pop, as all 4 points can be camped, and FTE no longer applies.
- Hmmm kinda gives me a lucrative idea. Since many players charge 5-8k for the loot/MQ rights, I should get there early each day and have those leading the MQ/Loot Right parties pay me 2k to leave "my" camp spot. :D

[Rararboker]

There is 3 spawn points iirc, not 4.

[Kreylyn]

https://youtu.be/af7DpL2NmTE?t=5493

It's clearly stated by sirken...

Mob if FTE but a group of 4 can "lock that whole thing down because they know it's FTE".

Here's the specific "lawyer quest" part of it based upon the rules, and why it's ONLY FTE even if you have someone at each camp.

A "group" can only claim a single spawn point. If you take 4 people and spread them out, that's NOT a single spawn point. Thus... you officially can't "camp" the "area" as clearly stated by staff in the video.

What you can do is increase your chances on getting FTE by having people placed strategically at the known random spawn points.

FTE... even if your sitting at spawn when it's random locations.

Krey

[Samoht]

There is 3 spawn points iirc, not 4.

It takes 4 to camp Quillmane. 1 for each QM spawn point and a fourth to kill the PH roamers. The PHs do not share Quillmane's spawn points.

[Rararboker]

Yeah i know that, but I said there is 3 spawn points, not 4. And you can just pull a bunch of PH to a spawn point before killing them all if you don't have a a 4th person.

[Kreylyn]

The PHs do not share Quillmane's spawn points.

And that's the simplest break down of why it's an FTE mob... If the PH and Named are not at the same spawn point, then it can't be claimed as a camp.

Officially...

I'm not talking about generally "don't be a dick" rules. But that appears to differ depending on how much $ the drop is worth.

Krey

[Erati]

it is pretty douchey to try to FTE 4 people doing QM cloaks

you are lucky to get 1 cloak every 2-3 hours sometimes - just come back when its not camped not try to snipe

[psyphon]

Thanks for the link, sounds like it's unfortunately still FTE even if you have people camping each spawn point. Seems lame.

[Samoht]

Yeah i know that, but I said there is 3 spawn points, not 4. And you can just pull a bunch of PH to a spawn point before killing them all if you don't have a a 4th person.

Who said 4 spawn points?

[Rararboker]

Who said 4 spawn points?

The post directly above mine which I was responding to?

[Samoht]

The post directly above mine which I was responding to?

I see them talking about 4 points (3 spawns, 1 PHs) but it never mentions 4 QM spawn points.

[Rararboker]

... as all 4 points can be camped, ...

That is what I was responding to. There is 3 spawn points and PH's pop up in numerous locations. There is no 4th spot.

[dafier]

Plain and simple it's FTE.

As for spawn points, ya there are a few and yes it takes 4 people to do it. 4th pref is a bard. Not going to go in to how to spawn QM back to back but if you can do that, cheers.

[Erati]

When a group is actively camping the spawns- stealing Quillmane when you good and well know you didnt spawn him IS lame and you should feel bad about it

it may not be against the rules but you will be looked down upon

[Samoht]

That is what I was responding to. There is 3 spawn points and PH's pop up in numerous locations. There is no 4th spot.

There's nobody chasing down PHs? That's the 4th point.

[-Catherin-]

if you really want to get technical and lawyer-ish about the whole thing then quillmane is actually a triggered mob. It has a chance to appear every time the instant you kill a correct target. hence triggered. Those mobs are triggers rather than placeholders. What was the rule on anything triggered again? 20 minutes to kill.

How about do the easy thing and wait for the camp to open up instead of being a douche about it :p

[Kreylyn]

if you really want to get technical and lawyer-ish about the whole thing then quillmane is actually a triggered mob. It has a chance to appear every time the instant you kill a correct target. hence triggered. Those mobs are triggers rather than placeholders. What was the rule on anything triggered again? 20 minutes to kill.

How about do the easy thing and wait for the camp to open up instead of being a douche about it :p

Um, no... not triggered. Triggered is a turn in that 100% spawns the mob. Example would be Ixi. You turn in scroll, mob spawns...

Random PH is not "triggered".

Krey

[Erati]

Um, no... not triggered. Triggered is a turn in that 100% spawns the mob. Example would be Ixi. You turn in scroll, mob spawns...

Random PH is not "triggered".

Krey

To trigger ( verb version ): cause (an event or situation) to happen or exist.

Yep - I agree with Cath, dont be a douche about this camp if you arnt doing the work

[-Catherin-]

Triggered is a turn in that 100% spawns the mob.

Maybe in your world. If that were true guilds would not have 20min to kill overseer of air and hand of veeshan when they are TRIGGERED by killing the previous mob.

Keep making stuff up

[Kreylyn]

Maybe in your world. If that were true guilds would not have 20min to kill overseer of air and hand of veeshan when they are TRIGGERED by killing the previous mob.

Keep making stuff up

Your giving different examples to back up your faulty logic.

Triggered is when an expected and repeatable reaction occurs. Some mobs are triggered by killing a specific mob as part of the process to trigger them. IN this case it's still 100%. If not, then it's not triggered... it's random.

Additionally there are rules in place that prevent people from being jerks and holding up triggered mobs by spawning them and never killing them. That's why a completely separate rule was made for how long you have to kill a mob that is triggered. This rule does not determine if a mob is or is not triggered. Triggered has to be established first for this rule to apply.

Killing a PH that may "randomly" spawn a named does not make the named a "triggered" mob. YOUR action of killing ph does not spawn the named. It's random. That's why it's not triggered. You didn't MAKE it spawn. You can not specifically do an action to make it' spawn again 100%.

If that was the case, every mob out there is "triggered" and all you have to do is AE an entire zone to claim all mobs were "triggered" by you, and thus you have 20 mins to kill them all again.

Another example since it's hard for you... A turn in to LoIO spawns a specific mob every time for monk epic. You kill that mob and every time 2 more mobs spawn. Those are "triggered" mobs. It's 100% repeatable. It happens every time you take the same actions.

If the result is random, they system determined the reaction and NOT you. thus not triggered.


Krey

[Man0warr]

Yeah but you have a 0% chance to trigger Quillmane if you aren't killing PHs, so if you go around trying to snipe him when others are doing the work, your a gigantic douchebag.

[-Catherin-]

Your giving different examples to back up your faulty logic.

Triggered is when an expected and repeatable reaction occurs. Some mobs are triggered by killing a specific mob as part of the process to trigger them. IN this case it's still 100%. If not, then it's not triggered... it's random.

Additionally there are rules in place that prevent people from being jerks and holding up triggered mobs by spawning them and never killing them. That's why a completely separate rule was made for how long you have to kill a mob that is triggered. This rule does not determine if a mob is or is not triggered. Triggered has to be established first for this rule to apply.

Killing a PH that may "randomly" spawn a named does not make the named a "triggered" mob. YOUR action of killing ph does not spawn the named. It's random. That's why it's not triggered. You didn't MAKE it spawn. You can not specifically do an action to make it' spawn again 100%.

If that was the case, every mob out there is "triggered" and all you have to do is AE an entire zone to claim all mobs were "triggered" by you, and thus you have 20 mins to kill them all again.

Another example since it's hard for you... A turn in to LoIO spawns a specific mob every time for monk epic. You kill that mob and every time 2 more mobs spawn. Those are "triggered" mobs. It's 100% repeatable. It happens every time you take the same actions.

If the result is random, they system determined the reaction and NOT you. thus not triggered.


Krey

This is your opinion. Go ahead and try your logic with a group of people that have quillmane covered. I'd love to see how you end up. Hint: I've seen these kind of situations enforced on quillmane and you are going to have a bad time.

[Kreylyn]

Yeah but you have a 0% chance to trigger Quillmane if you aren't killing PHs, so if you go around trying to snipe him when others are doing the work, your a gigantic douchebag.

Just for the record, NOTHING about my statements have been about how douchey the actions of enforcing your FTE rights are. Just what those rights are.

It's like free speech. Protesting and yelling at funerals is also right up there in that "Your a complete douche!" aspect. The "rules" allow you to do it. Doesn't mean it's socially "right". Be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Krey

[Kreylyn]

This is your opinion. Go ahead and try your logic with a group of people that have quillmane covered. I'd love to see how you end up. Hint: I've seen these kind of situations enforced on quillmane and you are going to have a bad time.

My experience is that FTE was enforced. Exactly as Sirken stated it would be.

Your experience may differ. Doesn't make the rule on the mob being FTE different though.

/shrug

Krey

[Ezalor]

why are you arguing about this?

if you zone into SK, and 4 people are doing QM, you have a very small chance of even getting FTE by sitting at just 1 spawn. if you do you will likely be feathered leggings, and make yourself look like a douche

[GnashingOfTeeth]

I zoned into SK a few weeks back, quill was running by, killed him, looted cloak to my delight, then an OOC went out - anyone see quill? we are trying to spawn, felt bad, but not that bad...
I didn't know they were trying, he must have been up before they started.

[Kreylyn]

why are you arguing about this?

if you zone into SK, and 4 people are doing QM, you have a very small chance of even getting FTE by sitting at just 1 spawn. if you do you will likely be feathered leggings, and make yourself look like a douche

I agree with everything you said.

The only "argument" would be when someone tries to make stuff up to state this makes the quillmane mob NOT FTE. Sirken him self clearly stated it is.

Krey

[Erati]

Yeah but you have a 0% chance to trigger Quillmane if you aren't killing PHs, so if you go around trying to snipe him when others are doing the work, your a gigantic douchebag.

^

[Colgate]

thank god on red i can just kill the person trying to snipe the quillmane i spawned

[waffel]

Yeah but you have a 0% chance to trigger Quillmane if you aren't killing PHs, so if you go around trying to snipe him when others are doing the work, your a gigantic douchebag.

If people are doing the work of making him spawn, why aren't they killing him? There should never be a case where you randomly stumble upon a full health Quillmane just puttsing around if a group is making him spawn.

And what, are you supposed to /ooc "Anyone camping Quillmane? I have him up at loc/loc"? Of course people are going to 'say' they were camping him so they can kill him. There is no way to know if someone was telling the truth.

[Ezalor]

thank god on red i can just kill the person trying to snipe the quillmane i spawned

if they are +/- 4 levels of you

if not you can't train them or KS them or do anything you can't on blue

[Kalmiri]

If people are doing the work of making him spawn, why aren't they killing him? There should never be a case where you randomly stumble upon a full health Quillmane just puttsing around if a group is making him spawn.

And what, are you supposed to /ooc "Anyone camping Quillmane? I have him up at loc/loc"? Of course people are going to 'say' they were camping him so they can kill him. There is no way to know if someone was telling the truth.

I have done this without giving the loc. Waited a minute to see if anyone was going to claim camping him then got a set of leggings. Of course I tend to take words literally like "play nice policy" so I play nice.:p

[heartbrand]

if they are +/- 4 levels of you

if not you can't train them or KS them or do anything you can't on blue

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Ezalor 3


three posts in a Quillmane spawn rules thread on blue during work hours. maybe u shud study work spawn hours Jeni.

[Tapatio]

yikes jeni

hit the career center for cryin out loud

[Colgate]

if they are +/- 4 levels of you

if not you can't train them or KS them or do anything you can't on blue

i will log on an alt and kill them

similar to how you could swap from brickhouse to jeni in that situation

[dafier]

I zoned into SK a few weeks back, quill was running by, killed him, looted cloak to my delight, then an OOC went out - anyone see quill? we are trying to spawn, felt bad, but not that bad...
I didn't know they were trying, he must have been up before they started.

I want your luck.

[Itap]

jeni? FoH?

[dafier]

Blah blah blah....
Krey


So what you are saying is:

By killing the PH(s) you are triggering a percentage chance spawn of QM?