GG fizzled out. TMO & Empire can make new PnP?

[dontbanpls]

I think the timer of repops is a red herring. If a guild with 100 members can get a force together at a certain time there is no reason a guild with 150 members can't do the same thing.

[Uuruk]

I think the timer of repops is a red herring. If a guild with 100 members can get a force together at a certain time there is no reason a guild with 150 members can't do the same thing.

I just think it's a little ridiculous to hear people from GG complain about the timers when they helped set them.

[Alarti0001]

While I understand what you are trying to say GG had a raid force and got 2 or 3 dragons when the timers got reset. They had no interest in letting the timers go either. We pushed Trak several hours this week to get it in a better time for raiding on both sides..

I'm not in GG and I don't support GG. Was there a discussion about letting the timers go... or did GG just logon to try to kill a dragon at the time it is set to spawn.

If empire wanted solid pvp competition they would make an agreement with GG to allow those dragons to pop during normal raid hours.
If GG has a leader with half a brain they'd honor that agreement.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm not in GG and I don't support GG. Was there a discussion about letting the timers go... or did GG just logon to try to kill a dragon at the time it is set to spawn.

If empire wanted solid pvp competition they would make an agreement with GG to allow those dragons to pop during normal raid hours.
If GG has a leader with half a brain they'd honor that agreement.

Lol take it to blue rnf

[Tiggles]

Lol take it to blue rnf

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[grannock]

Eh this seems a bit disingenuous. What time have the repops been pushed to?

Trak was 5:30 est, where were u pussy?

[Alarti0001]

Lol take it to blue rnf

I dont know... moving timers to where your competition has the least chance to compete seems kinda.... blue.

[Alarti0001]

Trak was 5:30 est, where were u pussy?

at work.

[iruinedyourday]

https://playingwithpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/450_gentrification.jpg

First and last time I'm using the phrase yikes. But yikes at the idea that I'm going to have to read bda style arguments over here, ughh

[grannock]

grannock wants competition on the forums but not in game, dude only logs in for raid mobs and empires biggest fear is contesting every boss

why you think they slamming GG so hard on forums, because they are scared.

Ive been to every gg vs empire mass pvp, what am i scared of, rolling you over again?

[dontbanpls]

at work.

so one timer of another it is all a problem? Yeah the timers are a red herring thank you so much for confirming it.

[Kergan]

I dont know... moving timers to where your competition has the least chance to compete seems kinda.... blue.

Caring when a mob spawns at all seems kinda blue to me tbh.

[grannock]

at work.

When do you get home? Ill try and get it pushed so we can farm your yts on thursday, pussy.

[SamwiseRed]

grannock settle down man. you sit here and critique the upcoming guilds while you when you jumped on the pixel bandwagon from the get go. your opinion doesn't matter. people like heartbrand, cwall to a degree when hes not being a dick, and a few others who have been on the opposing side and know the struggle can. noone here knows who the fuck you are yet you seem mad as hell. dont get your panties in a wad.

[dontbanpls]

lol sam talking about people putting in enough effort in the server LOLOLOL

[Alarti0001]

so one timer of another it is all a problem? Yeah the timers are a red herring thank you so much for confirming it.

Nah. I'm not the average gamer. I have less playtime than most. It would be fairly safe to assume primetime hours would get primetime competition consistently. You might even be able to look at the server select screen and notice when most players would be available. Revolutionary concept I know.
Don't bastardize a logical fallacy by not understanding the argument first.

The argument isn't about when I specifically can make raids and pvp battles it would be about when a competing guild can field the numbers to compete with empire consistently on a server with such a low population.

Grannock if you actually want to have a competitive pvpve raid environment... 4am raids aren't the way to do it. If you don't want the competition then carry on. Just don't think anyone believes you when you lie about it

[Alarti0001]

my bad I was supposed to call you a pussy at the end.

[dontbanpls]

timers used to be in prime time hours and they did not get contested. Would you like to continue?

[Alarti0001]

timers used to be in prime time hours and they did not get contested. Would you like to continue?

Sure. Lets start with you telling me how your point is even slightly relevant, unless you are saying every character and guild on r99 is static.

[fred schnarf]

lol sam talking about people putting in enough effort in the server LOLOLOL

no one put in as much effort as huntington max LOLOL dude disbanded fresh ahaha

look how much he cares!

iron your face dude

[dontbanpls]

Well you say that empire needs to push timers to prime time, then you ignore that good guys helped pushed timers where they are, and ignore that they have a history of not contesting when able. Is that a good start?

[Alarti0001]

Well you say that empire needs to push timers to prime time, then you ignore that good guys helped pushed timers where they are, and ignore that they have a history of not contesting when able. Is that a good start?

I don't say they have to push timers. I say if they really want more PvP they should.
There is an ebb and flow to a competitive guild who is losing. GG has leadership that doesn't seem to understand the basics of how to motivate a guild that is losing.
Whether GG fails or not isn't really the discussion. The discussion is about promoting maximum competition/pvp during raid encounters. There isn't a way you can logically say that you will more participation at 4am est than at 8pm est.

It kinda seems you are more interested in not being wrong.

[grannock]

Nothing is at 4am and we didnt break the servers to put them there in the first place. We also are not going to make 40 people sit around with thumbs up ass all day maling sure gg doesnt try and snipe something, because they will, they have no desire to fight us in mass pvp.

[fred schnarf]

empire does not want more pvp they fear it like death, they want easy uncontested mobs, for more proof look how hard they trying to project the image of good guys failing / dying

its actually kinda sad.

[El Camacho]

Honest question: could Good Guys log in and push the timers back by contesting?

[Colgate]

I don't say they have to push timers. I say if they really want more PvP they should.
There is an ebb and flow to a competitive guild who is losing. GG has leadership that doesn't seem to understand the basics of how to motivate a guild that is losing.
Whether GG fails or not isn't really the discussion. The discussion is about promoting maximum competition/pvp during raid encounters. There isn't a way you can logically say that you will more participation at 4am est than at 8pm est.

It kinda seems you are more interested in not being wrong.

empire is 100% for pushing raid mob timers to primetime hours.

good guys kept the trakanon timer at 4 AM for 5? spawns before we showed up to contest it, they logged off, we left it up to push the timer, but they batphoned and killed it at 11 AM. we got the timer, showed up, stomped them in a fight over it, and they gave up. the timer was then pushed nearly into primetime.

we've been pushing the normal repop timers a few hours every week, since if we just leave them up, we know they will batphone to log in and kill them at a still-shitty hour. it also isn't easy to call a graveyard hour raid, then tell people they have to sit there for 12 hours while we leave the mobs up.

[Alarti0001]

empire is 100% for pushing raid mob timers to primetime hours.

good guys kept the trakanon timer at 4 AM for 5? spawns before we showed up to contest it, they logged off, we left it up to push the timer, but they batphoned and killed it at 11 AM. we got the timer, showed up, stomped them in a fight over it, and they gave up. the timer was then pushed nearly into primetime.

we've been pushing the normal repop timers a few hours every week, since if we just leave them up, we know they will batphone to log in and kill them at a still-shitty hour. it also isn't easy to call a graveyard hour raid, then tell people they have to sit there for 12 hours while we leave the mobs up.

Look a reasonable person.

[daasgoot]

don't be fooled alarti, colgate loves killing dragons uncontested at 4am

[Colgate]

having a hard time believing the spawn timers are deterring good guys from contesting when they were showing up at these hours with equal or greater numbers than we were just a few weeks ago

[Buhbuh]

Maybe that's what happens when you're an under geared zerg that desperately needs planar clears around the clock but still has a DKP system tailored to award DKP over raid mobs only, instead of, say, awarding far more DKP for the shitty but necessary things no one wants to do in game that builds a guild up so they can contest one day.

Or naw?

[Agatha]

oh look, people not in my guild concerned about my guild, how refreshing. lol. you do you, we will do us.

later.

[Alarti0001]

having a hard time believing the spawn timers are deterring good guys from contesting when they were showing up at these hours with equal or greater numbers than we were just a few weeks ago

Sustainability my man. You can't convince 40 people to contest a target at shit hours when they know they will lose or high a very high chance of losing. Maybe a few times...but I'm sure you realize this.

[Colgate]

Sustainability my man. You can't convince 40 people to contest a target at shit hours when they know they will lose or high a very high chance of losing. Maybe a few times...but I'm sure you realize this.

this is true, and it's also why the idea of two guilds being on even footing in the endgame just isn't possible with this population

one guild will always win out a few fights, morale will be low for the other guild so people will be less inclined to log in to contest, the winning guild will get more applicants since most people coming into the raid scene want to actually raid, etc.

good guys formed with the wrong goals under the wrong leadership

[Buhbuh]

It's pretty clear if your guild is made for the expressed purpose of taking down the dominant guild, things generally won't go well.

When has that ever worked except in Holocaust's case

[Vanquisher]

holo barely had any competition, we fought azrael over trak like 3 times before they flopped, just nilly 2.0

[contemptor]

this is true, and it's also why the idea of two guilds being on even footing in the endgame just isn't possible with this population

one guild will always win out a few fights, morale will be low for the other guild so people will be less inclined to log in to contest, the winning guild will get more applicants since most people coming into the raid scene want to actually raid, etc.

good guys formed with the wrong goals under the wrong leadership
I'm in GG and pretty depressed in the lack I've been able to gloat on others when killing uncontested raid mobs at odd hours. Definitely considering leaving soon, as I feel like real leaders could've motivated us to do more. If I join Empire, can you give me advice?

I want to play at all hours of the day, but I've been struggling, since I've found that I have to go to work and spend time with my family. But I know there must be other ways. Can you give me some pointers on how you are able to accomplish this feat?

[Fael]

Funny how contempter has pushing this argument for the last half decade. Only when it's with BDA on blue its against variance, here I guess it's for variance, I don't know.

Maybe for rotations ?

[Troubled]

I'm in GG and pretty depressed in the lack I've been able to gloat on others when killing uncontested raid mobs at odd hours. Definitely considering leaving soon, as I feel like real leaders could've motivated us to do more. If I join Empire, can you give me advice?

I want to play at all hours of the day, but I've been struggling, since I've found that I have to go to work and spend time with my family. But I know there must be other ways. Can you give me some pointers on how you are able to accomplish this feat?

Should just join cuz it's the right thing to do.

[contemptor]

Funny how contempter has pushing this argument for the last half decade. Only when it's with BDA on blue its against variance, here I guess it's for variance, I don't know.

Maybe for rotations ?
I'm having fun playing here regardless dawg, I just think it's cute to talk so much trash about winning 4am repops when this game is your life. I'm not even for variance here though, enjoy :shrug:. Hate it on blue also but the sock would be even worse there without it.

[contemptor]

Should just join cuz it's the right thing to do.
I need someone to teach me the way bro

[iruinedyourday]

Sustainability my man. You can't convince 40 people to contest a target at shit hours when they know they will lose or high a very high chance of losing. Maybe a few times...but I'm sure you realize this.

lol Altari... heres how it works man, if you want the tiemers pushed, you defend the target until the guild desperate for those pixles gives up, then you let timers run to normal hours.

If you think for a second that anyones going to come to a raid agreement with anyone on this server, you are gonna have a bad time. This is a greif server you idiot this isnt a rotation blue server, and it simply never will be. if thats what you're hoping to accomplish here, then I suggest you make trades back to blue while its 4:1

[snufzaimoverlord]

When a guild forms for the direct purpose of destroying another, then completely fails at that task, ya they gonna get FQ d dawg.

[Alarti0001]

this is true, and it's also why the idea of two guilds being on even footing in the endgame just isn't possible with this population

one guild will always win out a few fights, morale will be low for the other guild so people will be less inclined to log in to contest, the winning guild will get more applicants since most people coming into the raid scene want to actually raid, etc.

good guys formed with the wrong goals under the wrong leadership

Good points. Especially with guilds fielding 60-100 at times on a server with what 300-400 peaks?

[Colgate]

yup, sounds about right

think the biggest fight the server had was a 90v130 in KC around two months ago, with around 375 total logged in

[Alarti0001]

lol Altari... heres how it works man, if you want the tiemers pushed, you defend the target until the guild desperate for those pixles gives up, then you let timers run to normal hours.

If you think for a second that anyones going to come to a raid agreement with anyone on this server, you are gonna have a bad time. This is a greif server you idiot this isnt a rotation blue server, and it simply never will be. if thats what you're hoping to accomplish here, then I suggest you make trades back to blue while its 4:1

Your words wounded me..... you should keep posting until my eventual suicide.