Terror attack in Charleston

[Tradesonred]

Isnt it time to call a spade a spade

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2262412.1434639625!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/article-suspect-0618.jpg

Thats an apartheid-era south african flag and the flag of rhodesia, another white supremacist colonial entity

[Nocsucow]

Yea that colgate looking fucker has issues

[Madbad]

Which one of you fuckers was this!?

[Lojik]

Isnt it time to call a spade a spade

Is that David Spade?

[Madbad]

Ban inc for posting players' RL pics Tradesonred.

[Swish]

Rhodesia really went downhill since Mugabe, land redistribution and the locals taking over.

[Tradesonred]

Swish your white supremacist bullshit is making it real hard for me to keep enjoying your awesome GIFs.

[Big_Japan]

noting facts = white supremacy


that's a pretty racist outlook to have buddy

[katrik]

Was a shitty, racist thing. Sucks.

[Madbad]

Yeah I feel bad for everyone involved. I even feel bad for the shooter, what an unhappy looking racist.

[MrSparkle001]

Look at those eyes, there's something seriously wrong with him.

[Swish]

Swish your white supremacist bullshit is making it real hard for me to keep enjoying your awesome GIFs.

That wasn't meant to come across as white supremacy. Colonialism wasn't a good thing, but if you're backing Robert Mugabe as a good thing for Zimbabwe..well..that's up to you.

[Big_Japan]

That wasn't meant to come across as white supremacy. Colonialism wasn't a good thing, but if you're backing Robert Mugabe as a good thing for Zimbabwe..well..that's up to you.

the white guilt programming is scarily powerful swishamane.

Say anything even remotely close to a trigger phrase and the subject's brain gets scrambled by rage-inducing interference and they bark like a dog. The irony is these same zombies would be virulently racist if they had been exposed to the conditioning that was running 80 years ago.

[Orruar]

Swish your white supremacist bullshit is making it real hard for me to keep enjoying your awesome GIFs.

White supremacy is now defined as stating the right facts. Well here comes some more white supremacy, from the Chicago Tribune of all places, who noted that a majority of South Africans think the country was better run under apartheid: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2002-12-15/news/0212150496_1_apartheid-south-africans-thousands-of-black-workers

[sOurDieSel]

Almost as many people are killed in Chicago in a typically weekend and no one bats and eye:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-weekend-city-shootings-20150601-story.html

Over 40 dead in Baltimore last month and no one seems to care either:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-shootings-20150531-story.html

I wonder what makes this story so 'different' and thus 'news worthy'...

[LoliPops]

he was a good boy he didndu nuffin ?

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Almost as many people are killed in Chicago in a typically weekend and no one bats and eye:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-weekend-city-shootings-20150601-story.html

Over 40 dead in Baltimore last month and no one seems to care either:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-shootings-20150531-story.html

I wonder what makes this story so 'different' and thus 'news worthy'...

Hate crime and church?

[Clark]

This kid needs to be maced in prison.

[dafier]

I blame Obama. Wait fo....

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2171/1715332001_a1d157ad13_o_d.jpg

[Ezalor]

White supremacy is now defined as stating the right facts. Well here comes some more white supremacy, from the Chicago Tribune of all places, who noted that a majority of South Africans think the country was better run under apartheid: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2002-12-15/news/0212150496_1_apartheid-south-africans-thousands-of-black-workers

only in a community as toxic as this one can you find individuals so disturbed that their first reaction to the cold-blooded murder of 9 innocent people is not empathy, but cherry-picking an article from 2002 to justify apartheid

[heartbrand]

only in a community as toxic as this one can you find individuals so disturbed that their first reaction to the cold-blooded murder of 9 innocent people is not empathy, but cherry-picking an article from 2002 to justify apartheid

maybe u shud spend more time job hunting and less time posting on the ethics of forum posters on elf sim

[LoliPops]

monster.com

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Was a shitty, racist thing. Sucks.

Yeah I feel bad for everyone involved. I even feel bad for the shooter, what an unhappy looking racist.

Amusing that some are more pissed off that this guy is a racist... like it's not worse that he's a mass murderer.

[Fame]

Friends, caution your friends on using the word "terrorist" to describe this citizen. That is a very dangerous path.

[JayN]

Some said he was doing gods work

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Friends, caution your friends on using the word "terrorist" to describe this citizen. That is a very dangerous path.

People have been universally misusing the word 'terrorist' for over a decade. Its gotten so bad that the bulk of online dictionaries now simply define a terrorist as "one who causes terror".

[Itap]

Amusing that some are more pissed off that this guy is a racist... like it's not worse that he's a mass murderer.

What's even more amusing is that you tend to appear in every race thread that is started on these boards. Coincidence? I think not.

[Malevz]

Always thought the best solution in a cut and dry case like this was to get all the family/friends of the people that died, and put them alone with the guy. Absolve them of legal responsibility. They either decide to forgive him, or they tear him apart.

Saves a lot of work.

[heartbrand]

Always thought the best solution in a cut and dry case like this was to get all the family/friends of the people that died, and put them alone with the guy. Absolve them of legal responsibility. They either decide to forgive him, or they tear him apart.

Saves a lot of work.

dont they do that in like pakistan?

[Tenlaar]

Always thought the best solution in a cut and dry case like this was to get all the family/friends of the people that died, and put them alone with the guy. Absolve them of legal responsibility. They either decide to forgive him, or they tear him apart.

Saves a lot of work.

Yeah, constitutional protections of citizens are SO overrated. Who needs 'em, amirite!?

[Malevz]

Man everyone has rights, rapists, murders, politicians. You can Ponzi scheme people out of their life savings, bomb a marathon, put your friends in government positions to benefit your investment banking firm / agricultural company, lie on the news to insight hate and fear, still got those rights. Good for you.

[JayN]

Man everyone has rights, rapists, murders, politicians. You can Ponzi scheme people out of their life savings, bomb a marathon, put your friends in government positions to benefit your investment banking firm / agricultural company, lie on the news to insight hate and fear, still got those rights. Good for you.

you sound like a freedom hating terrorist!

[Tenlaar]

Man everyone has rights

That's kind of the point, ya know.

[Tradesonred]

Friends, caution your friends on using the word "terrorist" to describe this citizen. That is a very dangerous path.

Terrorism:

[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.


Doesnt this mass murder fit this description, or your sole criteria for terrorism is: Must be brown and muslim?

He said something had to be done for the white race, that he wanted to start a civil war and he did his mass murder on the anniversary of the thwarting of a slave revolt by the founder of that very same church.

His mass murder was clearly violence perpetrated for political purposes.

I know this can be a slippery slope, Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist because he wasnt strictly a pacifist, but if youre going to apply it to muslims who use violence to make a point, then clearly Dylann Roof falls under the same category.

And my comment on Swish was related to other posts of his recently, not just the one in this thread.

[Swish]

I'm sorry that you're sensitive to anything written against whatever community I've said something bad about, I'm obviously pressing your buttons without realizing.

I'd say I'm quite well rounded, maybe there's a requirement to be absolutely 100% PC at all times in America? In England we come from all different backgrounds but for the most part we get along, and to that extent we can tolerate a joke against our own community whatever shade of skin we have... unless it happened at work, and then the race card, gender card, sexuality card gets waved for all kinds of reasons for personal gain.

Nobody likes to see that.

[Tradesonred]

Problem is when people label being a racist, being a misogynist, being an asshole (say, like laughing at someone simply because he cannot walk and must use a wheelchair) "not being politically correct".

Its twisted perspectives, self-delusion, just like not being able to call this mass murder an act of terrorism.

[Pringles]

Terrorism:

[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.


Doesnt this mass murder fit this description, or your sole criteria for terrorism is: Must be brown and muslim?

He said something had to be done for the white race, that he wanted to start a civil war and he did his mass murder on the anniversary of the thwarting of a slave revolt by the founder of that very same church.

His mass murder was clearly violence perpetrated for political purposes.

I know this can be a slippery slope, Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist because he wasnt strictly a pacifist, but if youre going to apply it to muslims who use violence to make a point, then clearly Dylann Roof falls under the same category.

And my comment on Swish was related to other posts of his recently, not just the one in this thread.


I've never once heard the media refer to the KKK as terrorists, so why do they call this kid a terrorist? (Not that I dont think he is....)

[SamwiseRed]

so we no longer have killers but terrorists?

[Tradesonred]

The KKK is a terrorist organization, thats my point.

Just because the massacre is not terrorizing to you as a white person doesnt mean its not meant to terrorize.

Americans that are disgusted by this massacre got to be willing to face institutional racism, so changes happen. To label it a senseless slaughter is refusing to face the fact that theres a racist culture still present and this kind of shit doesnt come out of a cultural vacuum. 99 forums has examples of this culture all over the place. This guy wanted to take one for the white supremacist team.

Republicans always railing about blacks making the US go down the shitter, thats the kind of worldview Dylann Roof holds.

Step one to start tearing down that racist culture would be to remove the confederate flag from the SC state legislature.

[Pringles]

The KKK is a terrorist organization, thats my point.

Just because the massacre is not terrorizing to you as a white person doesnt mean its not meant to terrorize.

Americans that are disgusted by this massacre got to be willing to face institutional racism, so changes happen. To label it a senseless slaughter is refusing to face the fact that theres a racist culture still present and this kind of shit doesnt come out of a cultural vacuum. 99 forums has examples of this culture all over the place. This guy wanted to take one for the white supremacist team.

Republicans always railing about blacks making the US go down the shitter, thats the kind of worldview Dylann Roof holds.

Step one to start tearing down that racist culture would be to remove the confederate flag from the SC state legislature.

You seem to only be repeating what Jon Stewart said....

[Tradesonred]

Its being able to face the facts. We have the same thing here with french bashing on a loop in the canadian media, some guy shoots a place up in 2012 in Montreal with an AK screaming "the anglos are waking up!!" and its brushed off as a mental case, completely ignoring the racist culture he comes from. Encouraging hatred is in part responsible for him acting out his white knight, parralel universe where french (or blacks) are taking over, death rampage dementia. Yes, these people are crazy, but it goes deeper than that.

[Tradesonred]

People be all like what do you mean, a racist symbol?

https://thatdevilhistory.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/rebel-klan.jpg

[Tradesonred]

From this intercept article: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/18/cousin-of-charleston-suspect-says-black-man-stole-roofs-love-interest/

"Dalton Tyler, Roof’s roommate, told ABC News that Roof spoke of starting a civil war and that he advocated racial separatism. “He was big into segregation and other stuff. He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself,” Tyler said.

Scott Roof, who identified himself as Dylann Roof’s cousin, told me over the telephone that “Dylann was normal until he started listening to that white power music stuff.” He also claimed that “he kind of went over the edge when a girl he liked starting dating a black guy two years back.”

This scenario recalls a manifesto written by Elliot Rodger, who on May 23, 2014 gunned down six people in Isla Vista, California: “How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me?”

“Dylann liked her,” Scott Roof said. “The black guy got her. He changed. I don’t know if we would be here if not …” Roof then abruptly hung up the phone."

[Tradesonred]

( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America )

"The flag is also known as "the Stainless Banner" and was designed by William T. Thompson, a newspaper editor and writer based in Savannah, Georgia, with assistance from William Ross Postell, a Confederate blockade runner. The nickname "stainless" referred to the pure white field which took up a large part of the flag's design, although W.T. Thompson, the flag's designer, referred to his design as "The White Man's Flag", In referring to the white field that comprised a large part of the flag's design elements, Thompson stated that its color symbolized the "supremacy of the white man":

As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause."

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/Isnbd1e.png

shutup

[Big_Japan]

diggin how the nearly identical thread on this topic got locked only because it had the word "rape" in the subject field

this is much less triggering, thanks mods

[Rararboker]

This guy is approaching modenkane level ranting. Someone please, hurry, stoke this fire.

[Tradesonred]

diggin how the nearly identical thread on this topic got locked only because it had the word "rape" in the subject field

this is much less triggering, thanks mods

Freedom lovin' merican who started a thread mocking the handsupdontshoot rallying cry wants this thread locked, why am i not surprised. I guess you dont have anything to add regarding the confederate flag being a terrorist symbol?

[Tradesonred]

Ive got something to add

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH6cDl9UkAE7CVY.jpg:large

[SamwiseRed]

wow so edgy, burning a meaningless flag. that'll teach em.

[Tradesonred]

Sam your post embodies the whole situation, youve got everything right here on this page to open your eyes and yet "meaningless flag". Refusal to acknowledge reality.

[SamwiseRed]

Sam your post embodies the whole situation, youve got everything right here on this page to open your eyes and yet "meaningless flag". Refusal to acknowledge reality.

i have no idea what this thead is about. it looked too fuckin retarded to read. you are arguing about what to call a scumbag lol and some stupid flag.

[SamwiseRed]

is rape terrorism now? if blacks shoot blacks is it terrorism or only if different races are involved? it seems like people are more interested in semantics vs the real issue of fuckin bat shit crazy people running around with guns. i wont even get started on race though, that is a term used by morans.

[Tradesonred]

Ah ok your just comin in to say confederate flag? Doesnt have any meaning lulz, kthxbye

The historical context in which the confederate flag was created? Incomprehensible stupidity, TLDR

How is the long US history of racist violence related in any way to terrorism? Isnt it the same thing when a black guy shoots another black guy?

Thx for your input and wisdom

[SamwiseRed]

yawn

[Tradesonred]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHywpcFVAAArk9Y.jpg:large

[SamwiseRed]

drugs? dont you live in canada? why are you so obsessed with the US. there are genocides going on right now but I guess that isn't in the headlines so well focus on this little event. im glad the media tells me what to worry about otherwise i'd have to do that on my own.

[Tradesonred]

For the same reason egyptians cared about what went on in Rome.

[JayN]

Ah ok your just comin in to say confederate flag? Doesnt have any meaning lulz, kthxbye

The historical context in which the confederate flag was created? Incomprehensible stupidity, TLDR

How is the long US history of racist violence related in any way to terrorism? Isnt it the same thing when a black guy shoots another black guy?

Thx for your input and wisdom
its time.....
time to pick up your mace
http://www.preferredarms.com/images/weapons/large/axes_and_maces/Heavy-Flanged-Mace-Hole-y.jpg

[Big_Japan]

Freedom lovin' merican wants this thread locked

that's not even close to an accurate characterization of me, and i don't want this thread locked either. Are you able to read?

[Rararboker]

<3 you guys. Stoked the fire for me. Keep it going!

[Swish]

Republicans always railing about blacks making the US go down the shitter, thats the kind of worldview Dylann Roof holds.

You could argue the NAACP is a racist organization though, couldn't you?

Do you like Al Sharpton?

[Bigtokes]

When you rattle the lions cage long enough, do not be surprised when the lion strikes back.

Do you know how many black people were killed by other blacks last weekend? I will guarantee it is 4-5x the amount that this kid killed. Yet nobody says shit about that. If the blacks want a race war, this is a good example of how badly they will lose. This is just some random kid with a gun. Can you imagine what hundreds of these white boys with guns who have had training would do?

Blacks better make best friends with the police and start checking their fucking attitudes.

[Bigtokes]

The KKK is a terrorist organization, thats my point.

Just because the massacre is not terrorizing to you as a white person doesnt mean its not meant to terrorize.

Americans that are disgusted by this massacre got to be willing to face institutional racism, so changes happen. To label it a senseless slaughter is refusing to face the fact that theres a racist culture still present and this kind of shit doesnt come out of a cultural vacuum. 99 forums has examples of this culture all over the place. This guy wanted to take one for the white supremacist team.

Republicans always railing about blacks making the US go down the shitter, thats the kind of worldview Dylann Roof holds.

Step one to start tearing down that racist culture would be to remove the confederate flag from the SC state legislature.

You sound like a brainwashed liberal. I love how liberals are all about black lives matter until they get culturally enriched by a bunch of blacks and that attitude shifts real fucking quick.

Funny how nobody mentions the two black men who tortured and killed two white teens. You would have to dig into the deepest depths on the internet to find out anything about that story.

[Pokesan]

When you rattle the lions cage long enough, do not be surprised when the lion strikes back.

Do you know how many black people were killed by other blacks last weekend? I will guarantee it is 4-5x the amount that this kid killed. Yet nobody says shit about that. If the blacks want a race war, this is a good example of how badly they will lose. This is just some random kid with a gun. Can you imagine what hundreds of these white boys with guns who have had training would do?

Blacks better make best friends with the police and start checking their fucking attitudes.

You sound like a brainwashed liberal. I love how liberals are all about black lives matter until they get culturally enriched by a bunch of blacks and that attitude shifts real fucking quick.

Funny how nobody mentions the two black men who tortured and killed two white teens. You would have to dig into the deepest depths on the internet to find out anything about that story.

You are a nasty person

[Itap]

When you rattle the lions cage long enough, do not be surprised when the lion strikes back.

Do you know how many black people were killed by other blacks last weekend? I will guarantee it is 4-5x the amount that this kid killed. Yet nobody says shit about that. If the blacks want a race war, this is a good example of how badly they will lose. This is just some random kid with a gun. Can you imagine what hundreds of these white boys with guns who have had training would do?

Blacks better make best friends with the police and start checking their fucking attitudes.

Spoken like a true racist

[SamwiseRed]

You sound like a brainwashed liberal. I love how liberals are all about black lives matter until they get culturally enriched by a bunch of blacks and that attitude shifts real fucking quick.

Funny how nobody mentions the two black men who tortured and killed two white teens. You would have to dig into the deepest depths on the internet to find out anything about that story.

im somewhat of a liberal but not a dumbass. i am offended.

[Swish]

It is weird how nobody sticks up for whites though, and if they do they're racist. I keep an open mind, but you can't ignore some fuzzy logic in people's heads.

[Itap]

Stick up for whites? I think the white people have had it pretty good for the past 2000 years or so.

please see video for reference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg48ZZ2wYfM

[Swish]

Barbary pirates enslaved Europeans, the Ottoman Empire enslaved Europeans. Why doesn't that get mentioned? Where's my reparations dammit :p

Learn some broader history instead of linking me to some comedian who said something funny.

[Itap]

The video was me being facetious, swish.

[Tradesonred]

This is part of Dylann Roof's manifesto

"The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored? "

Sounds familiar you armchair white supremacist psychos

[Doors]

Kid was obviously a loser. Dropped out of highschool in 9th grade, unintelligent trash.

Good riddance when they execute him.

[Lojik]

It's sickening to read about things like this happening. As disturbing as this crime is, I am also not a huge fan of how many people react to things like this. The more time people spend analyzing and discussing the perpetrators of these horrible crimes, then we're giving these people what they want: attention. Mourn the victims, talk about how great they were and how it's sad that they are no longer with us, but some people want to give the killer attention and start debating about if he's a terrorist or not, what the fuck is the point? To me if you simply label the guy a nutjob and dismiss him as almost less than human, then it's the best thing you can do along with punishing him according to the law. One of the things that helped to weaken the power of the KKK in the south was exposing their ridiculous rituals. Once it came out publicly many members were ashamed and stopped going back.

If you want to start to label him a terrorist and lump him in with Al Qaeda, then you're letting him win, you're almost lending his cause credence, as "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Do you really want to give overtly racist people the idea that committing acts like this could somehow be a legitimate political means to the ends they want? He even says in his manifesto the event that triggered it was the media attention thrown at the Trayvon Martin case. If that case isn't given as much national attention, hell maybe this kid never goes over the edge. Maybe he just spraypaints "N*****" on someone's house, and either carries on with his racist beliefs or finally realizes he's fucking retarded. If media outlets start to talk about this as a terror attack, I really only see that having a negative effect.

I realize that this is only a game forum, but there are a good number of people who browse these forums and play here that have issues. Everquest is a game synonymous with dependency issues, and we've seen cases here that have translated into real world violence. There are clearly some overtly racist people here as well, so trying to label this guy a terrorist seems like a bad idea to me. Terrible human being? Yes. Mentally disturbed? Yes. Terrorist? Please, lets not give him that kind of credit

[Tradesonred]

Youre right about the freedom fighter terrorism thing, and its a polemic title, its meant to be.

Because from a black perspective, i dont see how they are expected to view things differently. These people are out to get them simply because they are black, and they adhere to a political program that wants to keep them subjugated, just as sure as i would get my head chopped off for dissing Mohammed by a Wahabist Saudi.

[Rararboker]

I like how you quote his "manifesto" (not sure the kid was smart enough to have a real one) but ignore his primary point in it all. His point was to spark a race war and reacting like this means you are doing exactly what the dumb kid wanted.

Who is the real dumdum?

[Omnifiend]

One thing skipped over a lot is the kid was on Suboxone, an opiate addiction treatment. However, the drug itself is more addicting that opiates themselves, and some of the side effects include violent outbursts and suicidal thoughts.

In fact, continuing in this vein, 35 of the most recent school and mass shooters have been on similar psychiatric drugs, all of which have side effects which can include violent tendencies and suicidal thoughts.

My prayers go out to the families affected by this, however I firmly believe we need to take a very hard look at what drugs are being given to people and why. Numbers this large with those side effects can't be a coincidence.

Source - http://http://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/ http://www.drugs.com/suboxone.html

One last thing. Racism is a real problem, and it makes no sense at all to hate someone because of their color. Hate them for their actions, assuming their actions deserve an emotion as strong as hate. And yes, sometimes someones actions do deserve hate, if they are evil enough.

[Madbad]

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[MrSparkle001]

I'm not sure how people don't see him as a terrorist. Yeah he's not on the level of Al Qaeda or ISIS but this was definitely an act of domestic terror.

We'll see if the prosecution wants to pursue terrorism charges, if they haven't already decided.

[Patriam1066]

I'm not sure how people don't see him as a terrorist. Yeah he's not on the level of Al Qaeda or ISIS but this was definitely an act of domestic terror.

We'll see if the prosecution wants to pursue terrorism charges, if they haven't already decided.

Yeah. I'd have to agree. He picked the oldest black church in the south, a bastion of the civil rights movement, to incite unrest/fear. Pretty cut and dry terrorism, IMO. The kid was a sociopath.

[Tradesonred]

http://s14.postimg.org/l56g8501d/iesis.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'm not sure how people don't see him as a terrorist.

The pre Sandy hook definition of terrorist requires the perpetrator to reside somewhere outside of the nation in which they have committed the act of terror in question.

Yes, you can commit an act of terror without being a terrorist by definition. By any actual definition he's a "freedom fighter", which doesn't require you to be fighting for freedom. Although in this case the individual in question believed the ones he was killing were actually some sort of problem/threat but that's beside the point and not worth anything besides noting aside.

[Swish]

http://s14.postimg.org/l56g8501d/iesis.jpg

oh the attempted parallels, i lol'd

[Pokesan]

he's not a terrorist because only browns can be terrorists :rolleyes:

[Big_Japan]

However, the drug itself is more addicting that opiates themselves, and some of the side effects include violent outbursts and suicidal thoughts.

come on dude, stop spreading disinfo

buprenorphine isn't "more addicting than opiates", it is an opiate used for replacement of street opiates. Rage episodes are a major side effect of all opiates.

[Big_Japan]

i think white ppl have had it reel gr8

*links louis c. uck*

do you have any self-awareness whatsoever? loling

[Itap]

come on dude, stop spreading disinfo

buprenorphine isn't "more addicting than opiates", it is an opiate used for replacement of street opiates. Rage episodes are a major side effect of all opiates.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, good job

[Rogean]

If only there were laws to prevent people from bringing such dangerous weapons into religious establishments, this would never have happened!

Oh wait, there is. (In South Carolina).

[MrSparkle001]

The pre Sandy hook definition of terrorist requires the perpetrator to reside somewhere outside of the nation in which they have committed the act of terror in question.

Yes, you can commit an act of terror without being a terrorist by definition. By any actual definition he's a "freedom fighter", which doesn't require you to be fighting for freedom. Although in this case the individual in question believed the ones he was killing were actually some sort of problem/threat but that's beside the point and not worth anything besides noting aside.

Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist many years before Sandy Hook.

If only there were laws to prevent people from bringing such dangerous weapons into religious establishments, this would never have happened!

Oh wait, there is. (In South Carolina).

Because laws prevent people from committing crimes and doing evil things :) Just like gun control would have made sure he never had that weapon to begin with, you know because criminals respect gun laws.

[Hijiri]

Am I the only one who thought this guy was rocking the dumb and dumber haircut

[Madbad]

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[Tradesonred]

If only there were laws to prevent people from bringing such dangerous weapons into religious establishments, this would never have happened!

Oh wait, there is. (In South Carolina).

Yeah, laws against murder didnt help these people either, good point

[Madbad]

I think there should be a law about laws.

[MrSparkle001]

Am I the only one who thought this guy was rocking the dumb and dumber haircut

According to his mom he rocked that haircut since he was 3. Yeah he's a stable individual.

[Doors]

Sad thing is Obama will use this to further push his gun control agenda.

[Pokesan]

Sad thing is Obama will use this to further push his gun control agenda.

that dirty rascal!

who does he think he is? trying to get away with eliminating shooting sprees in this great country of ours. you ain't gonna slip that one past me barry you sly fox!

[jarshale]

Mass shootings are just a normal part of life we have to deal with in 'Murica.

[Patriam1066]

Am I the only one who thought this guy was rocking the dumb and dumber haircut

LOL Hahahaha, he does

[Tenlaar]

Sad thing is Obama will use this to further push his gun control agenda.

Using a bunch of people being shot to further gun control, how dare he link such completely unrelated things.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Using a bunch of people being shot to further gun control, how dare he link such completely unrelated things.

Gun free zones don't work. Deal with it.

[Tradesonred]

http://s16.postimg.org/7bjvv84f9/CIDOx_K5_Ws_AAEk_Yx_png_large.png

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Terrible strawman is terrible.

[Big_Japan]

https://youtu.be/JYVQBnl1xzI

[Big_Japan]

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, good job

step up and contradict me on a factual basis genius

[Orruar]

that dirty rascal!

who does he think he is? trying to get away with eliminating shooting sprees in this great country of ours. you ain't gonna slip that one past me barry you sly fox!

Do you really think gun control would eliminate shooting sprees? Unless you're talking about the complete elimination of guns, which nobody ever does, you're basically just trying to reduce the body count when crazy people do decide to go kill people.

[Tradesonred]

Do you really think gun control would eliminate shooting sprees? Unless you're talking about the complete elimination of guns, which nobody ever does, you're basically just trying to reduce the body count when crazy people do decide to go kill people.

Yeah, like in London :rolleyes:

To me the end of guns is an utopia, because personally i think we should keep researching weapon technology pointed outwards to planet just in case, but we definately gotta stop pointing it at each other or else humanity probably wont last the next century or 2.

[Pokesan]

Do you really think gun control would eliminate shooting sprees? Unless you're talking about the complete elimination of guns, which nobody ever does, you're basically just trying to reduce the body count when crazy people do decide to go kill people.

what's wrong with reducing the body count?

[Madbad]

In china people go on stabbing rampages. One dude will stab his way across a grade school.

[Patriam1066]

if you want to ban guns to promote public safety, I can respect that. But since heart disease is the #1 killer in the U.S., I won't agree with your position until you campaign, as vehemently as you have against guns, against sugar, processed foods, and red meat. You guys apply different standards to different things and pretend you give a damn. If you cared about the lives of the average America, you'd be attempting to ban corporate food companies that are making this country obese by selling them processed garbage. Newsflash, you don't care about safety. You simply hate guns, because it's unfathomable that someone out there could see a gun as useful, when, as mentioned by Mace Windu above, your idea of utopia doesn't include them.

Would banning guns save lives? Most certainly it would. Like I said, however, fixing the American diet would save far more. The question that needs to be asked is whether we want our government in the business of telling us what to do, ostensibly for our own good, or are we capable as a society of making the changes that we need to make on our own.

Libertarian 2016
Control yourself, Not others

[Pokesan]

Right, I have to solve every other problem in the world before we can even approach fixing gun violence. You agree that it would save lives, what's your problem?

I'm with you on your public health concerns, but I fear you are being contrary for its own sake. If this turns out to be true, I will not hesitate to call you a major fucker.

[fastboy21]

the racist thing isn't the issue. the shooting murdering people for any reason is a big one.

its an election season in the US...this is being setup to be a prime sounding board for all kinds of issues. race, freedom of speech, religion, gun control, mental health issues, and more...even the more savvy politicians know not to touch it too much too soon or it looks phony. so sad.

in any case, this guy is going away because he is a crazy murderer; not because he is a racist.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

fixing gun violence.

Perhaps your focus is too narrow.

[Pokesan]

Perhaps your focus is too narrow.

I'm not against all forms of violence. For example, I would applaud violence done to your stupid fat face.

fuck off kagatob

[Tenlaar]

Would banning guns save lives? Most certainly it would. Like I said, however, fixing the American diet would save far more.

Control yourself, Not others

This is where your argument falls apart. People can control their own diet. People can't control other people shooting them so much.

[Big_Japan]

I'm not against all forms of violence. For example, I would applaud violence done to your stupid fat face.

fuck off kagatob

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[Rogean]

Are people not realizing that all of the mass shootings are happening in gun free zones? Where people can't shoot back?

Schools are gun free zones in most states. Churches are gun free zones in South Carolina.

I'm sure some people can provide some quick references to shootings that happened in non gun free zones and how many of them were stopped by other citizens who could shoot back.

[Itap]

Are people not realizing that all of the mass shootings are happening in gun free zones? Where people can't shoot back?

Schools are gun free zones in most states. Churches are gun free zones in South Carolina.

I'm sure some people can provide some quick references to shootings that happened in non gun free zones and how many of them were stopped by other citizens who could shoot back.

The occasions when an armed citizen shoots the assailant with a legally owned gun doesn't make the news since it doesn't fit into certain people's political agenda.

[Hijiri]

Are people not realizing that all of the mass shootings are happening in gun free zones? Where people can't shoot back?

Schools are gun free zones in most states. Churches are gun free zones in South Carolina.

I'm sure some people can provide some quick references to shootings that happened in non gun free zones and how many of them were stopped by other citizens who could shoot back.

As a combat vet and FAST platoon member let me just say 'no thanks'.

People who think that they can shoot an armed attacker (talking small arms here) without hitting others,nobody or everybody doesn't understand some basic principles of today's currently sold rounds and what is actually envolved in hitting your target at the far end of your effective range.

Edit- ps don't ban me !1!1!!!

[Itap]

As a combat vet and FAST platoon member let me just say 'no thanks'.

People who think that they can shoot an armed attacker (talking small arms here) without hitting others,nobody or everybody doesn't understand some basic principles of today's currently sold rounds and what is actually envolved in hitting your target at the far end of your effective range.

Edit- ps don't ban me !1!1!!!

I disagree with you. I feel I'm pretty proficient with my guns, a glock .40 and S&W shield 9mm (my concealed), as I shoot quite often. Now I understand shooting at a moving target that may also be shooting back at me is quite different than shooting at a paper target, but I feel I have a better chance at surviving than if I had nothing at all. I live in an area where gun violence is very real, and I feel safer knowing my family and I have some form of protection, even if I'm not the best marksman in the world.

[Doors]

Using a bunch of people being shot to further gun control, how dare he link such completely unrelated things.

that dirty rascal!

who does he think he is? trying to get away with eliminating shooting sprees in this great country of ours. you ain't gonna slip that one past me barry you sly fox!

You realize it takes a person to pull the trigger right? Guns don't fire themselves. Even if there were stricter gun control laws the only people this would effect would be law abiding citizens. If someone wants to obtain a firearm to commit a crime, they can get one illegally through a multitude of other ways. They can even obtain a gun legally at gun shows where citizens can buy and sell guns without background checks and what not.

Stop being mindless sheep and do some research before you jump on the gun control band wagon.

[Rararboker]

Some of you guys support "gun control" (aka banning legally owned guns)? So sad.

Must have lived very comfortable lives to believe a fairy tale like that. Illegal guns are super easy to acquire in almost any state if you know the scumbags. I went to Granite Hills High school in California (one of the schools which had a school shooting in the early 2000's) and despite that putting the school on high alert and our state having some of the strictest gun laws in the country, guns could be bought on school premises even by people not intimately involved in any kind of gang activity. And my point here is that; if it is that easy to obtain them on a school, how easy do you think it is to get them somewhere with less restrictions?

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Prohibition didn't work. War on drugs FAILED. Laws are only followed by good people. Outlawing guns would be laughable to sociopaths. Disarming their victims.

[Tenlaar]

You realize it takes a person to pull the trigger right? Guns don't fire themselves.

Know what else it takes?

A gun.

[Lojik]

I think its easier to see the negative externalities associated with widespread (legal) gun ownership as opposed to the positive ones. If a kid accidentally shoots himself or a psycho shoots up a church, you can physically count the death tolls.

It's harder to count the deaths and crimes that are prevented, and I'm not talking about that ridiculous 2.5m statistic that the NRA puts out.

[Patriam1066]

This is where your argument falls apart. People can control their own diet. People can't control other people shooting them so much.

That's certainly true, but wasn't why I ended my comment with that line. I was basically saying that I don't believe others have the right to take my legally owned guns, that I've had NONVIOLENTLY for my entire adult life, because they're afraid. We have to find a balance between freedom and security, and I will always come down on the side of the former. I really don't think we can ban everything that is dangerous. I do agree that banning guns would save lives, however. I just think that becomes irrelevant when you consider that banning cars, sugar, meat, etc, would make our lives safer as well. It's like when the NSA tells me that I should give up my 4th Amendment right so that they can protect me. No thanks.

Some guy in Austria just ran a bunch of people over in a car. The sad truth is, despite our best efforts, we'll never be safe from one another. I'd like to own a gun so that, if a sociopath like the idiot over in Vienna and the one in Charleston ever attack me, I can put them down. I hope that that never happens, but I'd like to have the ability to defend myself.

[Tradesonred]

Are people not realizing that all of the mass shootings are happening in gun free zones? Where people can't shoot back?

Schools are gun free zones in most states. Churches are gun free zones in South Carolina.

I'm sure some people can provide some quick references to shootings that happened in non gun free zones and how many of them were stopped by other citizens who could shoot back.

Predator 2 was a terrible movie

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Thats part of the US's problem, that someone posted up a few notches. Your society is flooded with guns. Theres guns everywhere, legal, illegal. So many guns that you export them massively to the highest bidders even if its (especially to) crackpot "allies" like Saudi Arabia and Israel. Solution? More guns! Thats going to end well. As long as the US economy is an economy based on the death of people theres going to be problems.

[Swish]

Ban all the guns, and people will still have 1000s of guns. It's not a problem that'll go away.

Even in UK cities people convert replica pistols into working weapons despite rigorous controls.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Ban all the guns, and people will still have 1000s of guns. It's not a problem that'll go away.

Even in UK cities people convert replica pistols into working weapons despite rigorous controls.

Inmates in prisons construct guns. Yeah, they can be controlled. 8)

I'm not saying I'm pro/anti guns. I'm saying let's not kid ourselves about prohibition/laws.

[Doors]

Know what else it takes?

A gun.

Dylan Roof was also researching how to make bombs on the internet prior to his shooting rampage.

Lets ban the internet while we're at it. If someone makes a bomb following a guide they found online, it's definitely the Internets fault.

You see the flaw in this logic yet?

Fact is this kid was troubled from his youth, realistically had a bad child hood, shit friends, and during his teenage years he was hanging out with the wrong influential people. People that actually go over the brink and blow other human beings away during a church service travel a long fucked up road prior to their killing sprees. Dylan Roof didn't wake up one day after leading a productive positive life and decide to murder innocent people. This guy dropped out of high school in the ninth grade.

Where were his parents at?

Bottom line is nobody wants to accept responsibility when things like this happen, so they blame guns. Why wasn't his dad kicking his ass when he dropped out in ninth grade high school? What was he going to do down the road, be a janitor his whole life? Collect disability? Be another worthless dreg of society?

This kids parents were shit. They failed their son, then their son murdered innocent people. He could have used a knife if his hatred for African Americans was strong enough. Didn't matter. He was going to do what he went into that church to do whether he had a gun or a golf club.

[Tradesonred]

Dylan Roof was also researching how to make bombs on the internet prior to his shooting rampage.

Lets ban the internet while we're at it. If someone makes a bomb following a guide they found online, it's definitely the Internets fault.

You see the flaw in this logic yet?



I think we should push this to its logical conclusion and let everyone pack nuclear weapons. Theyll think twice about shooting you if its rigged to your heartbeat and youll take out 15 city blocks with you if you die.

[Lojik]

I think we should push this to its logical conclusion and let everyone pack nuclear weapons. Theyll think twice about shooting you if its rigged to your heartbeat and youll take out 15 city blocks with you if you die.

You're finally understanding...I was starting to lose hope for you

[MrSparkle001]

Some of you guys support "gun control" (aka banning legally owned guns)? So sad.

Must have lived very comfortable lives to believe a fairy tale like that. Illegal guns are super easy to acquire in almost any state if you know the scumbags. I went to Granite Hills High school in California (one of the schools which had a school shooting in the early 2000's) and despite that putting the school on high alert and our state having some of the strictest gun laws in the country, guns could be bought on school premises even by people not intimately involved in any kind of gang activity. And my point here is that; if it is that easy to obtain them on a school, how easy do you think it is to get them somewhere with less restrictions?

Some people equate gun control with gun elimination, like somehow it will magically make them disappear.

Guns aren't going away. Guns cannot be eliminated from the streets, our towns, our cities, our country. Gun control will make it harder for law-abiding citizens to own them but it won't do a thing to stop criminals from acquiring them. Can't just ban guns and expect them to disappear.

Know what else it takes?

A gun.

http://i.imgur.com/slyQVRM.jpg


And I liked Predator 2 Tradesonred. Sure it wasn't near the same as Arnold's Predator but it had it's own charm.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Kagatob not in this thread b/c hes holding a candlelight vigil for the shooter.

[Tradesonred]

You cant make this stuff up

"Iowa grants gun permits to the blind

No one questions the legality of the permits, but some officials worry about public safety."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/08/iowa-grants-gun-permits-to-the-blind/2780303/

[Tenlaar]

Bottom line is nobody wants to accept responsibility when things like this happen, so they blame guns.

You seem to think that you are "enlightening" me or something. You really aren't. I have no responsibility to accept and I place partial blame on guns because guns are a part of the equation of gun violence. Placing blame on the person and the weapon are not mutually exclusive.

Without the mentally unbalanced person, there is no mass shooting.
Without the gun, there is no mass shooting.

[chtulu]

tenlaar shut the fuck up.

[Grimjaw]

You seem to think that you are "enlightening" me or something. You really aren't. I have no responsibility to accept and I place partial blame on guns because guns are a part of the equation of gun violence. Placing blame on the person and the weapon are not mutually exclusive.

Without the mentally unbalanced person, there is no mass shooting.
Without the gun, there is no mass shooting.

only mace attacks

[Tenlaar]

tenlaar shut the fuck up.

Nope. I'm sorry that very simple logic seems to offend you.

[Fame]

your sole criteria for terrorism is: Must be brown and muslim?


No, you ignorant pleb. I'm thinkin more like: 4 hooves good, 2 hooves bad.

Animal Farm, 1984 - do you need anymore help conencting dots?

I think putting that label on ourselves is a death sentence.

[Pseudosin]

I always find it laughable when people try to justify owning guns to keep their family safe. Statistically a gun in your home is 95% more likely to harm you or your family than to be used in self defense against an attacker (source:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9715182/).

Additionally, if you're using a firearm as self defense of your family, that means it's not locked up and your children have access to loaded firearms. If it is locked up, you're not going to realistically be able to gain access to it while someone is actively trying to cause harm to you or your family in your home.


But you should still absolutely be able to own guns, and if it makes you feel safer, that's fine. Statistics say otherwise. But the real reason you should be allowed to own guns is it's guaranteed by the 2nd amendment, and guaranteed for a reason.

Historically the precursor to genocide has always been disarming of a population. This doesn't mean if a population is disarmed, there will be genocide (there are plenty of countries today that have been disarmed and their government is not mass executing their populations). But in every instance of genocide in the past 150 years, some or all of the population being executed was disarmed first. That's enough reason, and the reason the 2nd amendment exists.

I gladly encourage and support everyone to own a weapon, because statistically you are putting yourself more at risk than if you didn't, but I think it's important and honestly a civic duty to own a weapon.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Kagatob not in this thread b/c hes holding a candlelight vigil for the shooter.

Fuck off Hannity.
Implying I'd hold a vigil for southern garbage.
Trash like his kind are just as bad as the wiggers.

[Tradesonred]

But hes your kind (see wigger)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

But hes your kind (see wigger)

-citation needed-

[Aviann]

Kagatob, you moran.

[Big_Japan]

Black people can not commit crimes because we are not a privileged class. Think about it like dis, you were a slave working on a plantation in 1995, dindu nuffin wrong but masta comes out to whip you. Ouch, that really stings. So you real mad and later you secretly sneak a chicken mcnugget from his mcdonalds bag. That ain't no crime, you booty still be hurtin and mcdonalds nuggets real good. You see my point? I think chicken is very delicious and there should be more variety on more menus. I know there's KFC and Popeyes, but what about a chicken ring shaped like an onion ring? Hm, What about a glove made out of chicken you could wear on you hand so you don't even have to hold it, you just nibble it off you fingers. THEN after you still got that delicious taste on you hand even when it gone!

[JayN]

Black people can not commit crimes because we are not a privileged class. Think about it like dis, you were a slave working on a plantation in 1995, dindu nuffin wrong but masta comes out to whip you. Ouch, that really stings. So you real mad and later you secretly sneak a chicken mcnugget from his mcdonalds bag. That ain't no crime, you booty still be hurtin and mcdonalds nuggets real good. You see my point? I think chicken is very delicious and there should be more variety on more menus. I know there's KFC and Popeyes, but what about a chicken ring shaped like an onion ring? Hm, What about a glove made out of chicken you could wear on you hand so you don't even have to hold it, you just nibble it off you fingers. THEN after you still got that delicious taste on you hand even when it gone!

/thread

[iruinedyourday]

Guns arnt even classic ban em.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Guns arnt even classic ban em.

Tell that to the aliens who seeded the Earth.

[LaithusFTW]

I always find it laughable when people try to justify owning guns to keep their family safe. Statistically a gun in your home is 95% more likely to harm you or your family than to be used in self defense against an attacker (source:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9715182/).


"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides. "

Some people probably aren't aware of the statistics. Some people probably have the "won't happen to me" kind of attitude. I fall into the second category. 60% of shooting deaths are a result of suicide. I'm not concerned with that number. If you eliminate the homicides and suicides from the article as 7X and 11X the amount of self defense, you're left with the 4X amount of unintentional shootings to worry about, which is addressable. Keeping a gun in a safe that I can access in <10 seconds is better than nothing, and mostly kid-proof.

[Magikarp]

w8 what happened?

i forgot to read news for a while. i actually missed this feature film completely

in fact nvm dont care

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