Regarding the patch and torched pets

[Rayzor84]

Haynar: A pet will no longer dual wield if they are handed a non-weapon item like a torch.

So what's the way to go now for chanter pets? I know a torch was superior to handing it 2 weapons in most cases. Is 2 weapons the best option? It'll still be less effective than torches.

[falkun]

How is 2 weapons less effective than torches? Twice the bag space required? Kill your pet and you'll get your weapons back, just like your torches.

[Rayzor84]

I thought with 2 weapons, it had the CHANCE to dual wield, while with a torch it essentially forced dual wielding?

[Daldaen]

Two weapons forces dual wield unless the creature is too low to DW I think?

On 40-50 mobs, 2 weapons will make it DW though.

[Rayzor84]

Oh ok nice so no big deal. Frees up 7 or 8 bag spots with torches in them lol, and I can put more pet weaps to use.

[Uteunayr]

Two weapons forces dual wield unless the creature is too low to DW I think?

On 40-50 mobs, 2 weapons will make it DW though.

As far as I understand it, it works like this (at least for necromancers):

Pets don't naturally dual wield until 34/39. A "good" 34 pet will naturally dual wield bare handed, and a "bad" 39 pet will not dual wield bare handed.

Before this, you can give a pet two weapons to make them dual wield. So a level 1 pet given two weapons will dual wield them, but they wont dual wield bare handed until 34/39 as described above.

[Grimjaw]

alot of misinformation in this thread.

uteinayr - giving a level 1 pet 2 weapons will NOT cause him to actually dual weild. he'll hold 2 weapons but wont use his offhand until a much higher level (the level they are actually gain the dual weild skill - 34). But for necros, "Naturally dual weidling bare hands" is broken here, and that's the reason why necros need to give their pets weapons 34+. Because there's a bug here that basically makes them not dual weild like they are suppose to Unless you give them 2 weapons.

also, whether or not a torch is better than 2 weapons - there is a myth that the torch caused dual weild to trigger every swing but two weapons would not trigger the dual weild mechanic on every swing. that's probably true.

[Daldaen]

The 49/53 pets dual wield just fine without weapons on Blue.

[dafier]

The 49/53 pets dual wield just fine without weapons on Blue.

Clarity please.

According to the WIKI level 44 mage pets have 'Innate Dual Wield'.

My experience:
I have seen a level 44 pet (spell level 44 not actual pet level) without weapons quad, which means it IS dual wielding, but I notice it doesn't double attack or hit as often as a pet that I give two daggers.

Now, I don't completely understand why this is happening, but I DO notice a difference.

Moving on:

Pertaining to this thread, a torch was used as a really cheap item to get a pet to dual wield. That is no longer possible with the new patch. Give the pet an actual weapon that has dmg/delay criteria in the stats.

[Uteunayr]

uteinayr - giving a level 1 pet 2 weapons will NOT cause him to actually dual weild. he'll hold 2 weapons but wont use his offhand until a much higher level (the level they are actually gain the dual weild skill - 34). But for necros, "Naturally dual weidling bare hands" is broken here, and that's the reason why necros need to give their pets weapons 34+. Because there's a bug here that basically makes them not dual weild like they are suppose to Unless you give them 2 weapons.

That makes this patch note sound very weird:

Higher level Magician, Necromancer, and Shadowknight pets now have the ability to dual-wield without being handed weapons. The calculation used to determine whether or not this ability exists takes several things into account, but for the most part 39th level and above summons (higher for the Shadowknight) will have this ability. It is possible that you could get a "good" 34th level pet that will, or a "bad" 39th level pet that will not have this ability.

Sounds to me like the ability which was added was for pets to dual wield without being handed weapons, implying they could dual wield by being handed weapons prior to this. Doesn't mean it is right, nor how it works here. That's just what the patch notes had lead me to believe. I'm going to go test now.

[Daldaen]

He is likely a red player complaining about classic features broken on red in an effort to balance PvP. Like pets not innately dual wielding.

Pets of the proper level innately dual wield on Blue. 49/53 pets always DW.

Now... They shouldn't DW more often when wielding weapons, weapons should only impact their max damage (only if the max damage on the weapon exceeds their innate max damage, level 49/53 pets this almost is never the case), OR it gives them the ability to proc the weapon's effect.

I haven't tested giving my Necro pet weapons, maybe I should though. It shouldn't make it DW more though from what I recall. If you have evidence that it should I'd love to see it however.

[dafier]

He is likely a red player complaining about classic features broken on red in an effort to balance PvP. Like pets not innately dual wielding.

Pets of the proper level innately dual wield on Blue. 49/53 pets always DW.

Now... They shouldn't DW more often when wielding weapons, weapons should only impact their max damage (only if the max damage on the weapon exceeds their innate max damage, level 49/53 pets this almost is never the case), OR it gives them the ability to proc the weapon's effect.

I haven't tested giving my Necro pet weapons, maybe I should though. It shouldn't make it DW more though from what I recall. If you have evidence that it should I'd love to see it however.

I need to get a parser for sure. This is only my visual that I am sharing and what I see is obvious enough to catch.

Honestly I don't like summoning weapons for my pet because it's a waste of time. I wouldn't mind summoning swords (with the ward summon proc) if I am fighting elementals though.

I'll try to get back to you with a parse

[Uteunayr]

alot of misinformation in this thread.

uteinayr - giving a level 1 pet 2 weapons will NOT cause him to actually dual weild. he'll hold 2 weapons but wont use his offhand until a much higher level (the level they are actually gain the dual weild skill - 34). But for necros, "Naturally dual weidling bare hands" is broken here, and that's the reason why necros need to give their pets weapons 34+. Because there's a bug here that basically makes them not dual weild like they are suppose to Unless you give them 2 weapons.

also, whether or not a torch is better than 2 weapons - there is a myth that the torch caused dual weild to trigger every swing but two weapons would not trigger the dual weild mechanic on every swing. that's probably true.


Yup, I was wrong in my assumption. I can confirn Grimjaw is correct. I had a low level necromancer named Plagueus attack me with a level 1 pet given 2x low level iksar rusty weapons. At no point did attacks deviate from a 3 second interval, not any second swings occur. Grimjaw is correct, and pets will not Dual Wield if given two weapons.

Log evidence:
[Fri Jun 12 13:09:52 2015] Zeneker slashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 13:09:55 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:09:58 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:01 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:04 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:07 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:10 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:13 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:16 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:19 2015] Zeneker slashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:22 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:25 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:28 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:31 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:34 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:37 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:40 2015] Zeneker slashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:43 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:46 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:49 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:52 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:55 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:10:58 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:01 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:04 2015] Zeneker slashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:07 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:10 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:13 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:16 2015] Zeneker slashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:19 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:22 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:25 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:28 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:31 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:34 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:37 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:40 2015] Zeneker slashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:43 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:46 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:49 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:52 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:55 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:11:58 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:01 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:04 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:07 2015] Zeneker slashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:10 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:13 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:16 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:19 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:23 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:25 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:29 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:31 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:34 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:37 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:40 2015] Zeneker tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 13:12:42 2015] Zeneker says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.'

[Man0warr]

Enchanters used torches (or any offhand only item) to force charmed NPCs to duel wield - because they don't always under normal circumstances.

Not sure how that applies to PC pets though.

[Pyrocat]

Let's break these assumptions up a bit and tackle them one by one. Regardless of class, these should all be true on blue:

Low level summoned pets will not dual wield, even when given 2 weapons.

Higher level summoned pets will dual wield, without the need for 2 weapons.

Giving a summoned pet a low delay weapon will not increase the speed of it's attacks.

Giving a summoned pet an extraordinarily high damage will increase it's damage, but this becomes harder to do as you level up and your pet's natural damage goes up.

Giving a summoned pet 2 weapons is a waste of time unless they are very high damage or have a proc, as it will not affect their ability to dual wield.

Charmed pets, regardless of level, will not dual wield unless given 2 weapons.

All of those are, as far as I know, true. The patch shouldn't have changed anything regarding these assumptions. The only thing the patch should have changed was the shortcut of giving your pet a torch instead of 2 weapons, thus reducing the amount of weapons you'd need to carry around to get your charmed pet to dual wield.

[Man0warr]

Combined with the ability for charmed NPCs to drop items given to them, it's not a big deal.

If they made this change first it would have sucked.

[Grimjaw]

And these two points are incorrect on RED Server for summoned necro pets. they act more like charmed pets where you must give them weapons in order to dual wield.

Higher level summoned pets will dual wield, without the need for 2 weapons.

Giving a summoned pet 2 weapons is a waste of time unless they are very high damage or have a proc, as it will not affect their ability to dual wield.

[Uteunayr]

Let's break these assumptions up a bit and tackle them one by one. Regardless of class, these should all be true on blue:

Low level summoned pets will not dual wield, even when given 2 weapons.

Higher level summoned pets will dual wield, without the need for 2 weapons.

Giving a summoned pet a low delay weapon will not increase the speed of it's attacks.

Giving a summoned pet an extraordinarily high damage will increase it's damage, but this becomes harder to do as you level up and your pet's natural damage goes up.

Giving a summoned pet 2 weapons is a waste of time unless they are very high damage or have a proc, as it will not affect their ability to dual wield.

Charmed pets, regardless of level, will not dual wield unless given 2 weapons.

All of those are, as far as I know, true. The patch shouldn't have changed anything regarding these assumptions. The only thing the patch should have changed was the shortcut of giving your pet a torch instead of 2 weapons, thus reducing the amount of weapons you'd need to carry around to get your charmed pet to dual wield.

#1 was tested and found to be accurate. The logs for that are above.

I wanted to test #3 (low delay weapon), so I summoned a level 49 Invoke Death, and attacked a fear kited guard in EFP. Logs are at the end of this post, but generally show attacks every 2-3 seconds. I then gave the same pet on the same target a Rusty Two Handed Sword, with Delay 50. Again, the logs will be after this, but attacks occurred still every 2-3 seconds. So I believe #3 holds up as true, the delay of a weapon given to a pet has no impact on pet attack speed.

So I can say that both #1 and #3 on this list are accurate, and not just assumptions.

One part that confuses me on these logs is in the 2-handed section, where it says:

[Fri Jun 12 17:10:13 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 29 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:13 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 47 points of damage.

What is the attack that "hits" the target? Bashes are "bashed", which I removed. Maybe there are kicks mixed in here, and instead of saying "kicks...", it says "hits..."

Logs:

[Fri Jun 12 17:08:54 2015] Gobartik tells you, 'Attacking Guard Hirazen Master.'
[Fri Jun 12 17:08:57 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 47 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:08:57 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 47 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:08:59 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 25 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:08:59 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:08:59 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 29 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:02 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 45 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:04 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:04 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:07 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:07 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 15 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:07 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:09 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:09 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:12 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:12 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:14 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 13 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:14 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:16 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:16 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:19 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:19 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:21 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:24 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:24 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 13 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:24 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 43 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:24 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:26 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 31 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:26 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:26 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 49 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:29 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:29 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:31 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 15 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:31 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:34 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:34 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:34 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:34 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:36 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:36 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 23 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:39 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:39 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:09:43 2015] You say, 'BREAK'

Total Damage: 855.
Number of Attacks: 41
Average: 20.8536 per attack.

Rusty 2h given to pet.

[Fri Jun 12 17:10:11 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 47 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:13 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 29 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:13 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 47 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:16 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 41 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:16 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:16 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:18 2015] Gobartik tries to slash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:21 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 25 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:21 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:21 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:23 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:26 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 21 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:26 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:28 2015] Gobartik tries to slash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:31 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:31 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:31 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 31 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:33 2015] Gobartik tries to slash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:33 2015] Gobartik tries to slash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:35 2015] Gobartik kicks Guard Hirazen for 16 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:35 2015] Gobartik tries to slash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:35 2015] Gobartik tries to slash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:35 2015] Gobartik hits Guard Hirazen for 41 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:56 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:58 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:10:58 2015] Gobartik tries to slash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:01 2015] Gobartik tries to slash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:01 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:03 2015] Gobartik tries to slash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:06 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:06 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:06 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:08 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 41 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:08 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 29 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:11 2015] Gobartik tries to slash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:11 2015] Gobartik tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:13 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 35 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:13 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 31 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:16 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 12 17:11:16 2015] Gobartik slashes Guard Hirazen for 51 points of damage.

Total Damage: 918
Number of Attacks: 40
Average: 22.95 per attack. Not significantly different enough, this easily just falls into the realm of error, so it doesn't seem that low weapon damage lowers pet damage either.

[Rayzor84]

Let's break these assumptions up a bit and tackle them one by one. Regardless of class, these should all be true on blue:

Low level summoned pets will not dual wield, even when given 2 weapons.

Higher level summoned pets will dual wield, without the need for 2 weapons.

Giving a summoned pet a low delay weapon will not increase the speed of it's attacks.

Giving a summoned pet an extraordinarily high damage will increase it's damage, but this becomes harder to do as you level up and your pet's natural damage goes up.

Giving a summoned pet 2 weapons is a waste of time unless they are very high damage or have a proc, as it will not affect their ability to dual wield.

Charmed pets, regardless of level, will not dual wield unless given 2 weapons.

All of those are, as far as I know, true. The patch shouldn't have changed anything regarding these assumptions. The only thing the patch should have changed was the shortcut of giving your pet a torch instead of 2 weapons, thus reducing the amount of weapons you'd need to carry around to get your charmed pet to dual wield.

I camped HS quite a bit, and giving a pet a torch isn't the same as 2 weapons. They do far more damage over tine. Even if I charm a pet with a shield, it murders normal mobs in comparison, so the offhand non weapon absolutely increased killing power.

[Man0warr]

NPCs can melee even while holding non-weapons, that's always been the case. All the torch (or shield) does is trigger them to use their offhand and thus dual wield.

[Grimjaw]

no it seems that torches were triggereing dual weild on EVERY SWING. whereas normal weapons only gave it a random chance, like it should. Another thought is that they hit closer to max damage more often with a torch than with weapons.

[Pyrocat]

Based on the logs in this thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185605&page=2) (thanks Sesserdrix) I think we can safely say that point #2 is proven.

I'd like to see further testing on point #3. You've proven that a high delay weapon will not slow the pet attack rate, but I'd like to prove the inverse as well. I've heard from multiple sources that low delay weapons ala FS Daggers would help increase pet attack rates on live, but I've heard conflicting reports about this mechanic on P99.


Low level summoned pets will not dual wield, even when given 2 weapons.

Higher level summoned pets will dual wield, without the need for 2 weapons.

Giving a summoned pet a low delay weapon will not increase the speed of it's attacks.

Giving a summoned pet an extraordinarily high damage will increase it's damage, but this becomes harder to do as you level up and your pet's natural damage goes up.

Giving a summoned pet 2 weapons is a waste of time unless they are very high damage or have a proc, as it will not affect their ability to dual wield.

Charmed pets, regardless of level, will not dual wield unless given 2 weapons.

[Uteunayr]

I'm testing with dual daggers.

One thing still really confuses me. In the logs where my pet had the 2h Rusty Greatsword, he was "hitting". Not "kicking", not "bashing". He was "slashing" with the sword, but also hitting. In the logs you linked to (which I forgot I posted here):

[Sat Mar 21 13:03:18 2015] Gekab kicks Guard Fentallin for 26 points of damage.

It clearly says "kicks". So... When the pet was using the 2h, how was it "hitting"? Is it possible that it still procs off-hand melee strikes even with a 2 hander?

Anyway, onto testing low weapon delay.

Logs:

Unarmed:

[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab tells you, 'Attacking Guard Hirazen Master.'
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 18 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:34 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:39 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:39 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:41 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:41 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 50 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:44 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:44 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:45 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 22 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:48 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:48 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:51 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:51 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to bash Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:56 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:56 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:58 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 46 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:58 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:00 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:01 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:03 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:03 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:07 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:07 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:08 2015] Xasarab says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.'

Two Fine Steel Daggers are given:

[Sat Jun 13 01:01:45 2015] Xasarab tells you, 'Attacking Guard Hirazen Master.'
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:46 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:46 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:46 2015] Xasarab kicks Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:48 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:48 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:53 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 50 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:53 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:54 2015] Xasarab kicks Guard Hirazen for 18 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:55 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 26 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 26 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:00 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:02 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:02 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:05 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 52 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:07 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:07 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:09 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:10 2015] Xasarab tries to kick Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:12 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 46 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:12 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:14 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:17 2015] Xasarab kicks Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:19 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:21 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:24 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 42 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:24 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:25 2015] Xasarab kicks Guard Hirazen for 20 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:26 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:28 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:31 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:31 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:33 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:33 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:33 2015] Xasarab kicks Guard Hirazen for 20 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:35 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:35 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 42 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Guard Hirazen has been slain by Xasarab!

Now that we see the logs, the question is, how do we quantify the speed? Originally, I did it by adding up total attacks attempted, divided by the time. But there was such a wide range of values due to proc chance on double strikes, and dual wield strikes, that it was unusable. Dual daggers showed that it slowed a pet's attack speed, which we know is not the case from my previous post on the subject.

So instead, lets cut out Double Strike procs. Instead of going for attacks per second, lets look at average seconds between unique actions. So, I removed all the kicks and bashes from these logs, and then will go from second to second quantifying the difference between actions. Averaging them together should give us the average weapon delay, unhindered by double strikes, since two attacks in the same second are seen as "one action".

Unarmed Pet (kick/bash removed):

[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab tells you, 'Attacking Guard Hirazen Master.'
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:29 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 18 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:32 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:34 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:37 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:39 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:39 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:41 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:41 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 50 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:44 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:44 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 22 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:46 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:48 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:48 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 24 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:51 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:51 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:53 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:56 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:56 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:58 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 46 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:00:58 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:00 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:03 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:03 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab tries to hit Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:05 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:07 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:07 2015] Xasarab hits Guard Hirazen for 33 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:08 2015] Xasarab says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.'

Second Intervals:
29 - 32 (+3) - 34 (+2) - 37 (+3) - 39 (+2) - 41 (+2) - 44 (+3) - 46 (+2) - 48 (+2) - 51 (+3) - 53 (+2) - 56 (+3) - 58 (+2) - 00 (+2) - 03 (+3) - 05 (+2) - 07 (+2)
This comes out to: 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2.
Total: 38 total delay between 16 actions.
Average: 2.375 delay between unique actions.

With 19 delay daggers:

[Sat Jun 13 01:01:45 2015] Xasarab tells you, 'Attacking Guard Hirazen Master.'
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:46 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:46 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:48 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:48 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:50 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:53 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 50 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:53 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:55 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 26 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 26 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:01:57 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:00 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:02 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:05 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 52 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:07 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:07 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:09 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:12 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 46 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:12 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 37 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:14 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:16 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:19 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:21 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:24 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 42 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:24 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:26 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:28 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:31 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:31 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:33 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:33 2015] Xasarab tries to pierce Guard Hirazen, but misses!
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:35 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:35 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 42 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Xasarab pierces Guard Hirazen for 55 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 13 01:02:38 2015] Guard Hirazen has been slain by Xasarab!

Second Intervals:
46 - 48 (+2) - 50 (+2) - 53 (+3) - 55 (+2) - 57 (+2) - 00 (+3) - 02 (+2) - 05 (+3) - 07 (+2) - 09 (+2) - 12 (+3) - 14 (+2) - 16 (+2) - 19 (+3) - 21 (+2) - 24 (+3) - 26 (+2) - 28 (+2) - 31 (+3) - 33 (+2) - 35 (+2) - 38 (+3)
This comes out to: 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3.
Total: 52 total delay between 22 actions.
Average: 2.3636 delay between unique actions.

So the difference? 2.375 unarmed vs 2.3636 with dual daggers. A difference of 0.0114. Somehow I feel this difference is so minor that it is insignificant, and completely meaningless. It likely came about because of the fact that the daggers test had 22 actions versus the unarmed having 16, so it was more accurate.

In conclusion, it appears to me that low delay weapons do NOT speed up pet attacks, just as high delay weapons do NOT slow down pet attacks.

[Karok]

On live you could give necro pets 2 one hand weapons and it would lower the delay of the pet however, the 2 weapons could *not* have the same delay for it to work. It was very op and nerfed around the same time the mage proc swords were nerfed.

[Uteunayr]

God damnit. Now I have to run this test again... Lol.

I'll use a FS Short Sword and FS Dagger next time.

[Karok]

I think the standard was 1 FS dagger 19dly and 1 summoned or rusty maybe @ 20dly. That plus pet buff was carnage. It must be nerfed here or else ppl would know, there has to be a lot of classic necros here that tried it by now. Unless we are thinking patch maybe enabled this action.

[NegaStoat]

On a live retail server, both pre and post Kunark, a magician without a focus item could give their level 24 pet two weapons like a dagger and a club and they would see the pet both piercing and crushing in the damage scroll IF it was not the lowest level summoned pet.

If the Magician had a focus item and they summoned their highest level possible 20 pet, it would dual wield with the same example above, piercing and crushing in the damage scroll.

I recall no need to give a magician pet a set of weapons for the level 39 summon on. It would dual wield innately. The very highest summoned 34 with a focus item would do this as well. If it's not currently working like this, something is broken.