Crafting and Wis/Int?

[Sethius Marlowe]

I apologize if I'm completely blind. I didn't see any sort of crafting forum to post this in here, so I'm sorry if I'm in the wrong place.

I was wondering if anyone had any detailed information about how wis/int affects tradeskills? I know the basics, that it uses the higher of the two stats (is this correct?) and that a higher stat will allow quicker skill ups... But do we have any sort of numbers?

I know this would have been hard for someone to have mapped out, but I figure enough time there might have been someone who was ambitious enough to level a skill from 1-255 on two separate characters and document it or something.

I guess what I'm truly wondering is how big of a difference are we talking about? Does +70 int = 35% faster skill ups? Or 5%?

Thanks for any input or advice. And again, I apologize if I completely missed some obvious thread about this.

[Darkatar]

If it follows the trend of most stat returns, 100->200 will yield a 100% increase, and 200-255 will be significantly less.

It's worth noting some tradeskills may use stats other than INT/WIS (if they're higher) such as STR for blacksmithing and DEX for tailoring.

[Thulack]

Wis and Int only help your chance to skillup on a failed combine. So if your doing a skill like brewing where there are large gaps in trivals(Fay shakers -> Mino Brews) wis/int is more worthwhile then say if you are doing jewelcrafting where trivials are very close together and you fail less often overall. But still in the end its worth it to get highest wis/int you can without breaking your bank since you can fail a combine anytime.

[Hectore]

If it follows the trend of most stat returns, 100->200 will yield a 100% increase, and 200-255 will be significantly less.

It's worth noting some tradeskills may use stats other than INT/WIS (if they're higher) such as STR for blacksmithing and DEX for tailoring.

Str and Dex are affect the rate of success at combines for their respective trade skills, not the chance at skill ups. Those are still Int/Wis based.

[Shodo]

Not sure if the caluclations p99 uses are different since this site is post-classic, but so far all the predictions I've taken from this calculator have matched my results in p99 pretty closely (mostly blacksmithing, some tailoring & brewing)

http://www.eqtraders.com/calculators/main.php?menustr=130000000000

Play around with the numbers and see what differences it makes. One big thing to note is that if p99 uses the same system, raising an attribute above 200 makes zero difference. Again, I'm not sure if the calculations changed after classic.

[Jimjam]

Semi-related: is charisma not the prime stat for begging then?

[Darkatar]

Str and Dex are affect the rate of success at combines for their respective trade skills, not the chance at skill ups. Those are still Int/Wis based.

I've never heard of the prime stats affecting success rates. I've always been under the impression that success rate is a function of your (Current Skill) VS (Trivial Skill level of the item) and your stats are used to determine your chances of getting a skillup.

Can you cite this, anywhere? I've never seen it.

[Daldaen]

I've never heard of the prime stats affecting success rates. I've always been under the impression that success rate is a function of your (Current Skill) VS (Trivial Skill level of the item) and your stats are used to determine your chances of getting a skillup.

Can you cite this, anywhere? I've never seen it.

Stats increase rate of skill up on a failed combine. Think, a person with a lot of wisdom/intelligence will see their mistake and learn from it.

Im fairly certain it shouldn't increase skill up chance on successful combines in classic - Though the EQTraders calculator currently shows it as impacting that chance.

It definitely has 0 impact on your likelihood to succeed a combine. Only on your skilling up.

[Whirled]

Semi-related: is charisma not the prime stat for begging then?

That's a good question^
http://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Begging
Not say too much^

[Sorkail]

I've never heard of the prime stats affecting success rates. I've always been under the impression that success rate is a function of your (Current Skill) VS (Trivial Skill level of the item) and your stats are used to determine your chances of getting a skillup.

Can you cite this, anywhere? I've never seen it.

I'm citing from a no-longer-classic source, but this agrees with you (bold text my add). From http://www.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g256&menustr=030000000000 :


Intelligence & Wisdom, whichever is higher governs your chance to gain skill increases when practicing any tradeskill.

Charisma will affect your prices, both buying and selling, with merchants.

Smithing skill increases use a secondary stat of Strength. The highest of Intelligence, Wisdom, or Strength governs your chance of gaining skill in smithing.

Fletching skill increases use a secondary stat of Dexterity. The highest of Intelligence, Wisdom, or Dexterity governs your chance of gaining skill in fletching.

Poison Making skill increases use a secondary stat of Dexterity. The highest of Intelligence, Wisdom, or Dexterity governs your chance of gaining skill in poison making.

Stats do not affect your chance of success for a combine. Only your current skill (modified by any skill-enhancing items) affects your chance of success.
We've included a handy-dandy calculator for determining the chance of a succesful combine.

[Baler]

that a higher stat will allow quicker skill ups... But do we have any sort of numbers?

the actual numbers are server side. There is no way for people to know the p99 server code or the live server code without it being divulged to the public. With that being said there is no way to prove that skill gains are era accurate or live accurate. Unless that information was divulged.

The rule of thumb on this is to just get the highest primary stat for your class. whether it be Int or Wis. If wis or int is not your class's primary stat focus, Most go with Int.
Higher-est int or wis = better gains somehow.

I recorded all my gains and attempts with a couple trade skills. I'll go through and see if and when I had higher Int how it effected gains. The problem is that as the tradeskill goes up it it becomes harder to attain gains. So that automatically skews data, Unless you do one character with a set amount of Int or Wis and another with lets say 255 then compare, over and over until you boil down a theory on the particular numbers.

[Sethius Marlowe]

the actual numbers are server side. There is no way for people to know the p99 server code or the live server code without it being divulged to the public. With that being said there is no way to prove that skill gains are era accurate or live accurate. Unless that information was divulged.

The rule of thumb on this is to just get the highest primary stat for your class. whether it be Int or Wis. If wis or int is not your class's primary stat focus, Most go with Int.
Higher-est int or wis = better gains somehow.

I recorded all my gains and attempts with a couple trade skills. I'll go through and see if and when I had higher Int how it effected gains. The problem is that as the tradeskill goes up it it becomes harder to attain gains. So that automatically skews data, Unless you do one character with a set amount of Int or Wis and another with lets say 255 then compare, over and over until you boil down a theory on the particular numbers.

Agreed that it's ridiculous to think... but was just thinking with 5 years it's possible someone did exactly that and crunched the numbers. I.e. picked a cheap tradeskill to level 0-255 with 60 in a stat and 200 in a stat multiple times and saved the data. It wouldn't be perfect but it would be pretty indicative.

[Darkatar]

It definitely has 0 impact on your likelihood to succeed a combine. Only on your skilling up.

^This is how I believe/understood it worked.

[applesauce25r624]

Semi-related: is charisma not the prime stat for begging then?

have you ever seen any handsome homeless?

[Slave35]

have you ever seen any handsome homeless?

Charisma is not an indicator of, nor really even connected with physical attractiveness in any case.

[Sorn]

have you ever seen any handsome homeless?

Yes, but he was eating from the trash because he was mentally ill and after someone posted a photo of him online, he was harassed by female tourists (among others) to the point that he cried. I don't know if he endured worse treatment after I read about him.