Enchanter best first character?

[jasonp008]

Hello All,

I've decided to play EQ again for fun, and figured I'd be a masochist by doing so on the red server.
I'd like to start a caster as my first character. Necros are my favorite flavor wise, but I keep seeing people on these forums say that Enchanters would make the best starting class, with 0 gear. I'd be soloing 99% of the time, due to my schedule.
I don't remember enchanters being all that amazing at soloing at low or mid levels. Is there something that has changed? What makes them the best farming class?

Thank You

[bloodletter]

yes

[Recycled Children]

Once you get charm the world of the enchanter opens up. Getting to 12 is kind of a slog but enchanter is really fun after that.

[Omnifiend]

Shaman/Enchanter are pretty interchangeable for best farming class. The enchanters ginormous control toolkit is what makes them great for soloing. Mezzes, stuns, roots, charm, plus they get IVU and invis, to move around with impunity. Their nukes and dots are total crap compared to other classes, but a chanter with charmed/hasted pet is hands down the best dps in the game.

I'm not sure why you don't recall chanters being good on live, but one of my best buddies on live played a chanter, and there wasn't anything he couldn't solo. He had a cleric girlfriend, and I remember doing raid/epic mobs just the 3 of us. I was a monk. Of course, he was insanely good.

The great thing too is Enchanters are pretty front loaded compared to a lot of classes. By the time you hit level 12 you have pretty much everything you need to be the second fastest xp soloer next to bard, and once you get levels, the first/second best cash camper, depending on who you ask.

[Genedin]

Didn't read anything but title of article.

Can give you a definitive yes.

[iruinedyourday]

yes its the way to go to great success

http://www.zingdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/great-success.jpg

If you are just returning, and have ZERO gear, soloing wont be that easy.. but grouping will be cus everyone wants a chanter in thier group!

youll be goog

[Zalaerian]

Enchanter is one of the most powerful PVE and PVP classes in the game. Also a good pick as it's not very gear dependent, so you won't suffer too bad wearing rags unlike say a melee

[daasgoot]

highly recommend a wood elf or gnome warrior as first toon.

good luck

[Buhbuh]

There's no debate that Enchanter is a better farm class than Shaman. Sorry.

Enchanter is hands down the best in this era.

[jasonp008]

I guess I shouldn't say that I don't remember enchanters being good soloers on live. They could solo amazing things. But are they better than Necro's right now? Also taking into account that I'm starting from scratch

[Magikarp]

Hello All,

I've decided to play EQ again for fun, and figured I'd be a masochist by doing so on the red server.
I'd like to start a caster as my first character. Necros are my favorite flavor wise, but I keep seeing people on these forums say that Enchanters would make the best starting class, with 0 gear. I'd be soloing 99% of the time, due to my schedule.
I don't remember enchanters being all that amazing at soloing at low or mid levels. Is there something that has changed? What makes them the best farming class?

Thank You

OP, most classic enc grouped because they were so well-desired for their mana in groups which were plentiful back then. It was just the path of least resistance. I don't recall many brave souls attempting to solo but the potential was there, or arguably even better than p99.

Short video below is example of what you may expect grinding ~lv 17 with no gear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx6jIkTYWnI

There are certain tricks that were overlooked in this video. For example, using taper enchantment instead of invis to break charm... although this requires you to be dangerously close to mobs if you don't have speed.... also highly recommend investing some of your first plats into sow pots instead of going without speed like in video.

Pons is 60 now and am happy to give you in-game tips and assistance. Can also help with some easy items like rod of insidious glamour, crude stein, moggok, incandescent gloves/mask.. can get you some of them sow pots too. Most of this is at no cost to me other than some time.

Send me a pm or /tell ingame, been lookin for a young sire to help out.

edit: fyi i solo'ed practically the entire game 1-60. some xp groups took place 56+ but weren't needed. have a solid list of grind spots especially since ive leveled encs on p99 several times now.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

I want to commend you for starting red. Norrath needs people with intestinal fortitude.

[Tassador]

Enchanter good choice

[Madbad]

I hear people describe enchanters as dungeon crawlers and shamans as big game hunters.

[Omnifiend]

Enchanter was my first toon on Red. I had rags, and soloed my way to 24 before buying my first piece of gear. Also, for just about anything all you require as a chanter is Charisma. And charisma gear is super cheap. Took no time at all to get to 24, and following the bronze got me enough for 200 charisma, all you really need. Just look at the wiki and follow the make money while you level guide. Also check out the enchanter guides. I highly recommend you go agnostic. Once you get illusions, you can go anywhere and be amiable most places.

Of course, if you want to group that is great too, even more xp. Groups will be glad to have you. Be warned though, enchanter isn't a laid back class.

[jasonp008]

Well, I decided on a human (I'm so exciting) enchanter named Tvesh. If you see me, say hi :)
Or stab me in the back...either way :p

[papercolor]

Enchanter is by far the best at farming but also requires the highest skill to play. Necromancer is by far an easier class to farm/solo with, also with almost the same power as an enchanter. I'd say necromancer for a first toon unless you've got the skill and patience.

[Supaskillz]

ench is fantastic solo class for pve, but absolutely terrible in pvp.

[Kergan]

Enchanters are not in any way terrible at PVP. I'd argue they may be the best PVP class.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Not worse than mage. So not worst in PvP.

[Zalaerian]

ench is fantastic solo class for pve, but absolutely terrible in pvp.

Enchanter easily top 3 pvp class. Please learn how to EQ b4 posting again. Thank you

[Colgate]

enchanter overall is probably the best class in the game, both pve and pvp

[Sirban]

ya

[SamwiseRed]

enchanters secure kills. having one in small skirmishes easily provides the tactical advantage.

[jasonp008]

I'm kind of enjoying the challenge of soloing as a chanter. I think I'm going to have to delve into tailoring to make some less raggy rags soon haha.
If anyone buys stacks of bone chips, let me know! The low level spells are pretty rough to afford!
I'm guessing classic is different in terms of solo classes. For the few years before I quit Live, everyone agreed that necros were definitely the solo king. In terms of exping at least.

[Kergan]

You should PM Gardur, for a while Fresh was doing a newbie gear up program maybe he is still maintaining that after the merge into Good Guys.

[SamwiseRed]

i leveled a chanter practically naked to 45. its easy to get cha jewelry (and cheap) as well as that CHA rod quest. crude stein easy and cheap to obtain too. other than that just group up, its the fastest way to level.

[Pumped]

if you like necro pick the necro you get a pet and can kite

ench without gear will suck no charisma or hp youll die charming

common sense?

[Kergan]

If you stick around and make it to 50+ you'll very much regret spending the time to level up a necro vs. enchanter.

[Raev]

If you stick around and make it to 50+ you'll very much regret spending the time to level up a necro vs. enchanter.

Wouldn't mass PVP as an enchanter involve being mass targeted by the other raid before you can dispell/tash them and dying quickly without DA or Shadow Step?

[Zalaerian]

CHA is only a 3rd check on charm ticks in this server. Low CHA is not the end of the world

[Kergan]

Wouldn't mass PVP as an enchanter involve being mass targeted by the other raid before you can dispell/tash them and dying quickly without DA or Shadow Step?

Enchanters get focused because if you don't focus them they will fuck you up. I'd rather play a class like that than a class that is never focused because it isn't a threat.

[Zalaerian]

Wouldn't mass PVP as an enchanter involve being mass targeted by the other raid before you can dispell/tash them and dying quickly without DA or Shadow Step?

Easily the #1 targeted class in the game and die easily....If you can find them. Good chanters know positioning, use shrink pots, DA idols, calimony pots to stay alive. It's all about never being targeted because they can't find you, which means your doing things like assisting through walls, up in trees, ect Chanters thrive on the edge of fights where they can rapture other casters playing on the outskirts or being able to go in for a few secs, then bail out to come back in 10 secs later

[Nirgon]

theft of thought keeps ya going

[Ragnaros]

dont take enchanter advice from ksah he got knocked out the first round in the enchanter botb

[Zalaerian]

Ksah Empire Maelzai Good Guys Frontier Mountains 0.07 June 08 2015 9:03:24 PM

U no when it's pvp and not fire elemental pve'ing


Twerk is good guys only chanter(if he even still plays) that has a clue on how to play 8)

300+ deaths on a rogue yikes

[iruinedyourday]

I hear people describe enchanters as dungeon crawlers and shamans as big game hunters.

Yep!

[Ragnaros]

Ksah Empire Maelzai Good Guys Frontier Mountains 0.07 June 08 2015 9:03:24 PM

U no when it's pvp and not fire elemental pve'ing


Twerk is good guys only chanter(if he even still plays) that has a clue on how to play 8)

300+ deaths on a rogue yikes

u lost first match shut up loser u suck

[Zalaerian]

Rank Name Class Kills Deaths Ratio Streak Points
103 Ragnaros 396 245 1.62 0 19.85



Hahaha 245 deaths on the newest ldr board alone. No wonder you went to monk. Couldn't hack it as one of the easiest melees. God your awful 8)

[jasonp008]

I would have thought that clerics would be the first class focused down. Do people tend to die too fast for heals to be effective?

[Zalaerian]

With 2 DAs they actually survive a bit. Dmg is healable.

[Ragnaros]

ya couldn't hack it as easiest melees but have the most kills on the ldrboard...ya words of a mad enchanter who lost 1st round of botb to a nobody

[Samaritan]

Rank Name Class Kills Deaths Ratio Streak Points
103 Ragnaros 396 245 1.62 0 19.85



Hahaha 245 deaths on the newest ldr board alone. No wonder you went to monk. Couldn't hack it as one of the easiest melees. God your awful 8)

You're*

Pissy moron.

[Archalen]

My first char was an enchanter on p99. A great journey awaits you.

[SamwiseRed]

I would have thought that clerics would be the first class focused down. Do people tend to die too fast for heals to be effective?

double da and tanky. naw unless cleric is dum

[Zalaerian]

ya couldn't hack it as easiest melees but have the most kills on the ldrboard...ya words of a mad enchanter who lost 1st round of botb to a nobody

Someone w 300+ deaths on one char is so below my level of play, especially one who rerolls to a monk after he couldn't hack it against a great player like snufz

Rank Class Kills Deaths Ratio Streak Points Guild
Gaping 51 113 3 37.67 0 34.93 Empire


I'm sure for a fee, he'll teach you how to play your toon, doubt it tho 8)

[Jarlon]

Someone w 300+ deaths on one char is so below my level of play, especially one who rerolls to a monk after he couldn't hack it against a great player like snufz

Rank Class Kills Deaths Ratio Streak Points Guild
Gaping 51 113 3 37.67 0 34.93 Empire


I'm sure for a fee, he'll teach you how to play your toon, doubt it tho 8)

The community sees you rag, 400 kills and a beast of a melee. Also you linked gaping as an example, average melee who is only hindered by his giant fear of death. Thanks Ksah for pointing out how the leader board is flawed.

[Ragnaros]

ya could care less what some 1st round botb loser has to say, rogues are for getting kills and that's what I do well.
above user also had over 500k worth of gear on a twinked shadowknight and died to a naked groot, so I guess we can say hes pretty angry

[Zalaerian]

Settle down, your getting emotional. Maybe at some point on this box you'll figure out a class that you can play at a high level, but probably not. You'd still manage to die more than most people who have been corpse campd naked at their bind for days 8)

[oricalum]

300 + deaths on his rogue alone. Rag is the last person anyone should take advice from.


















Lawl

[Ragnaros]

a lot of angry from some coat tail riding warm bodies
feels good to be ranked better then both of you on all my characters
im rich ( ; ( ;

[Colgate]

honestly would have quit long before i got to 245 deaths out of extreme humiliation

[Ragnaros]

good thing my 500 kills make up for it u feel?

[Colgate]

396 is 500? wut?

[Ragnaros]

uh ragnaros isn't my only melee?
go put on your chapstick, that's another thing u need to improve on besides counting

[Colgate]

o we're counting red99 all time stats?

feels good to be like 1500-50

[Zalaerian]

honestly would have quit long before i got to 245 deaths out of extreme humiliation

I would have been so embarrassed I would have rerolled to class w more survivability, access to a weapon w a unresistable spin stun, to try and prove I was a factor on this box










Kek

[Ragnaros]

all time stats? are you stupid? my kills are all this season
feels good being one of the best melees in r99 history
honestly if I don't get atleast 5 kills during a mass pvp session I get embarrassed...seems like no1 else has been able to reproduce that besides vaporize, lite, and deluxe though

[Kergan]

There is a basketball team with 2 players.

For the year, player 1 has made 50 out of 90 shots.
During the same year, player 2 has made 75 out of 250 shots.

Which player is the better shooter?

[jasonp008]

Well this sure got off topic! haha

[Ragnaros]

you allways need 5 people on your team and total 10 on the court to play basketball
you only need yourself and other enemies to pvp u feels?
case being I am the most active pvper on red and often go against impossible odds and still win most of the time, it doesn't always go well u feels?
don't rlly need approval from people who pvp once a week with 150 of their closest friends

[Kergan]

It depends how you define PVP skill, especially in EQ. I don't think killing 1 person and dying is a net win, but you seem to.

To each their own, you definitely get a lot of kills.

[Ragnaros]

no, I think killing 5 people and dieing is a net win
u feels? I like to think of myself as a kamikaze fighter pilot when I play everquest

[Kergan]

5-1 I'd call a win.

[Ragnaros]

5-1 I'd call a win.
since you seem like a logical person, I would take the time to debate this with you
for example,
Ragnaros Azrael Krum Holocaust Plane of Air 0.16 February 16 2015 7:33:00 PM
Ragnaros Azrael Bernard Holocaust Plane of Air 0.12 February 16 2015 7:32:28 PM
Ragnaros Azrael Whispering Holocaust Plane of Air 0.18 February 16 2015 7:32:13 PM
Ragnaros Azrael Abdel Holocaust Plane of Air 0.23 February 16 2015 7:32:06 PM
Colgate Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Plane of Air 1.20 February 16 2015 7:34:47 PM
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
June Good Guys Salt Empire Karnor's Castle 1.21 June 09 2015 4:14:41 AM
June Good Guys Dontseeme Empire Karnor's Castle 0.04 June 09 2015 3:30:12 AM
June Good Guys Worship Empire Karnor's Castle 0.00 June 09 2015 3:18:56 AM
June Good Guys Razzo Empire Karnor's Castle 0.34 June 09 2015 3:14:22 AM
June Good Guys Amage Empire Karnor's Castle 0.55 June 09 2015 3:06:42 AM
June Good Guys Mhoram Empire Karnor's Castle 0.90 June 09 2015 3:00:19 AM
Frenziedkilla Empire June Good Guys Karnor's Castle 1.91 June 09 2015 4:20:56 AM

rather stay in the fight as long as I can and help my side rather then plug or zone the second I get dispelled once aka colgate gaping andis even a lot of people from azrael to some extent

[Kergan]

I would say you did well in those fights. But to me if its GvG PVP whoever wins the mob wins the encounter. Some people evaluate it by total YT, or some combo. To me it's always about the pixels. :)

[Colgate]

221-9 on a monk is worse than 93-23 on a monk and 396-245 on a rogue

got it

HEH

[Ragnaros]

I would say you did well in those fights. But to me if its GvG PVP whoever wins the mob wins the encounter. Some people evaluate it by total YT, or some combo. To me it's always about the pixels. :)

the argument is about dieing, since some people think dieing degrades you as a player, I rather stay in a fight as long as I can and play evasive when I need to rather then instantly plug or not fight when the odds don't stack up ( another great example of colgate)

colgate is so afraid of dieing he plays his lvl 45 wizard dizark more then his monk, kid never seen pvping

[oricalum]

I killed june once in kc and walked away unscathed, u feelers?









Lawl

[Ragnaros]

I killed june once in kc and walked away unscathed, u feelers?









Lawl

6096 Hatelore 23 32 0.72 0 2.14
best not to talk about killing someone during force lns ( u ate a suspension) when ur kdr isn't even

[Bionic]

Well this sure got off topic! haha

Welcome to the Red forums. ;)

[El Camacho]

OP:

Enchanter was (is) also my first class on the server and most of what was said here is my experience as well. Go anywhere, do anything, but it isn't always easy.and you have to have the right spells loaded. IE be prepared.


Expect to wear rags well into 30'-40's, unless you stop grouping to farm cash or camp items. Experience on this server is a bit too fast and far outpaces coin and item drops while grouping.

if you are strapped for cash, make and sell a Stein of Moggok. They sell for 250-350, which should keep you in spells for a good while. Easy to do in the teens. You can cut travel times down with creative binding and getting a port from a druid.

[Qtip]

Enchanter is so powerful. Just takes alot of skill to get used to fighting each class. Every class you fight is pretty much a different strategy to kill them. Im not that good at pvp, but 95% of the people playing enchanter are hot garbage. Good luck!

[Buhbuh]

The only thing chanters suffer from is not enough spell gems. This is true of any class, but it's especially true for chanters, because they possess so many different situational spells.