SK Race Selection

[Chum]

Posting this questions in the red forums because I am looking to create this SK with intentions of small group PvP, and mostly small 1-2 group pve content with the occasional raid here and there when I can.

I am sold on the fact that I need to play one of the larger races, but I can't decide between the superior stats of the Ogre or the higher regen of the Troll for small stints of solo play. I will be starting off with some very minor starting items, so its not like I am going to have a CoF or Fungi or anything...

What is going to be the superior choice? Also, what deity is going to be the better choice?


Thanks,
Your future SK Pal, Chum :cool:

[Morlaeth]

Iksar.

Greenmist in Velious.

[Karok]

I played an ogre sk on vallon zek and every time I spent 5mins staring at the back of his fat head medding/regening I wished I had rolled a troll. If I were to make a sk here it would without a doubt be a troll, also Splorge Bigears was a troll, the best sk ever. (Opinion)

[Malevz]

Ogres look mindless, trolls look mean. Also:

Level 60: 18 sitting, 14 feigned, 12 standing
Level 60: 7 sitting, 5 feigned, 4 standing

you'll thank yourself later.

[Qtip]

Troll... that 60 regen and bash with 2h.

[Ezalor]

troll regen doesnt do much until lvl 50+

http://i.imgur.com/vcysw6K.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

troll regen doesnt do much until lvl 50+

http://i.imgur.com/vcysw6K.jpg

yikes

[Saludeen]

troll regen doesnt do much until lvl 50+

http://i.imgur.com/vcysw6K.jpg

Thats still double regen, and 50+ is still important. Only problem is looking like a troll.

[Guttzs]

Played a troll on live KNOWING the regen factors, got him to 50+ and had to reroll, i hated looking at the big body bumble around.

[Chum]

With so many people discounting the regen...how much more terrible would a human be?

[jeffd]

ogre for stun immunity or iksar for regen+green mist

literally zero reasons to play any other race

[Colgate]

not sure why people dickride greenmist so much, there are better 1 handers in velious

iksars going to have a sad time when they can't slam with any of the 2handers that are better than epic in velious

[Kergan]

Iksar.

Greenmist in Velious.

Greenmist is terribad.

[Fame]

Troll for that vellious helm, thanks me later

[Kergan]

Here is my guide on how to create an EQ character:

Can class be an ogre? Choose ogre.
If class cannot be ogre, can it be iksar? Choose iksar.

[Drakaris]

Greenmist is terribad.

Great vs casters once u get the ds removed. Crap vs everything else.

[Colgate]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Frostwrath
http://wiki.project1999.com/Sledge_of_Smashing
http://wiki.project1999.com/Eye_of_the_Rigtorgn

all better than greenmist

[karsten]

on paper ogres are best, and frontal stun immunity trumps regen -- not sure why people have this conversation, as it is also the same reason ogres trump troll/iksar for shaman :D

that said, I played an erudite sk on live and an ogre sk here, and I prefer the smaller character by far.

[Drakaris]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Frostwrath
http://wiki.project1999.com/Sledge_of_Smashing
http://wiki.project1999.com/Eye_of_the_Rigtorgn

all better than greenmist

This is true, but unless the whole server joins Empire (or whatever guild is top dog) these items are out of reach.

That being said, I play Iksar cos they look cool. Troll would be the best choice, frontal stun immunity is good, but any good player will bash from the back.

[iruinedyourday]

Dark elf? I would make a dark elf and have fun with it.

[pgerman]

not sure why people dickride greenmist so much, there are better 1 handers in velious

iksars going to have a sad time when they can't slam with any of the 2handers that are better than epic in velious


I agree with colgate today

[Syft-X]

Depends on if it rolls off slam or bash skill. If here a racial slam rolled off bash skill for hit then great but racial slam here is pretty worthless like a 1 in 10 of landing.

[iruinedyourday]

Depends on if it rolls off slam or bash skill. If here a racial slam rolled off bash skill for hit then great but racial slam here is pretty worthless like a 1 in 10 of landing.

I might agree with syft today, someone find me and kill me.

[LoliPops]

http://i.imgur.com/ptLac53.jpg

[Purp]

human is da best

[Kastro]

Played a troll SK to 65 on RZ... / SH and plenty of Ogres on emu... Ogre is by far better in my opinion in most situations outside of a drawn out spread out outdoor fight... in that case a troll would be superior with the same gear...

No reason to roll ikkii sk.. never had an issue Killin iky sks.. they are soft on AC till late velious and lack hitpoints... also in velious everything is gaints sized outside of thurg...

The no stun thing is so OP, especially since in velious your best burst dps is drain soul with gaints 2 hand swing between casts.. if you bash their cast and get yours in you won..

Also epic 2hand bash and kickstand are better than normal slam, and land on ogres in pvp

[LostCause]

IKSAR MASTER RACE

[Syft-X]

Played a troll SK to 65 on RZ... / SH and plenty of Ogres on emu... Ogre is by far better in my opinion in most situations outside of a drawn out spread out outdoor fight... in that case a troll would be superior with the same gear...

No reason to roll ikkii sk.. never had an issue Killin iky sks.. they are soft on AC till late velious and lack hitpoints... also in velious everything is gaints sized outside of thurg...

The no stun thing is so OP, especially since in velious your best burst dps is drain soul with gaints 2 hand swing between casts.. if you bash their cast and get yours in you won..

Also epic 2hand bash and kickstand are better than normal slam, and land on ogres in pvp

in PvE absolutely in PvP not so much, there are benefits to being an ilksar, the stone of morid allows them to juggle other stats for the extra resists. Not being large also really helps but that will be negated with shroud of death. Of course you still can be stripped, AON would solve that tho.

The natural regen plus fungi plus new regen items in velious would also be a pretty large bonus in pvp, would allow an SK to stall and regen during a fight. so PvP wise ilksar really aren't that bad and shouldn't be discounted so easily. Sure you could go troll but thats a mighty large fire hit when druids will become much more dangerous in velious.

Especially if slam is rolling off hit from racial and not bash which would really give ilksar's a much better appeal for pvp. I also wouldn't be putting a lot of stock in people easily grabbing up weps that outdmg epic based off a guy who was 7 years old when velious came out. He has no idea how tough some of these raid mobs are his guild has wiped to gornaire with 65+

[VincentVolaju]

Not being large also really helps but that will be negated with shroud of death

Any idea if the large races will still be able to slam with shroud of death form up? Ive heard so many mixed things about that that I honestly have no idea. Someone told me that you lose slam and gain kick if go from large race to skeleform? I dunno wtf is true or not lol.

[Syft-X]

Any idea if the large races will still be able to slam with shroud of death form up? Ive heard so many mixed things about that that I honestly have no idea. Someone told me that you lose slam and gain kick if go from large race to skeleform? I dunno wtf is true or not lol.

Can't say because I have no idea how they are gonna code it here, you can't base it off what it was in classic because only one dev actually pvp'd enough to know...Alecta and he disappeared sadly.

The rest of the dev's are blues coding like surgeons operating with a blindfold on, and they often take the word of the people who were either the worst PvPer's from live or weren't old enough to play classic, which is why the code here is so jacked up in regards to pvp.

[Tassador]

I would go with troll sk and my logic is Magic.

[Kastro]

Any idea if the large races will still be able to slam with shroud of death form up? Ive heard so many mixed things about that that I honestly have no idea. Someone told me that you lose slam and gain kick if go from large race to skeleform? I dunno wtf is true or not lol.
If it's coded correctly... only with an Epic, Shield, or "Prime" Shield swaps... Sks never kick.. your source is confused with warriors... and past level 55 there is no reason for a Warrior to use Slam... Kick stun is stupid OP.

[Drakaris]

Any idea if the large races will still be able to slam with shroud of death form up? Ive heard so many mixed things about that that I honestly have no idea. Someone told me that you lose slam and gain kick if go from large race to skeleform? I dunno wtf is true or not lol.

As far as I can tell you lose slam in skelly form as per aon. Epics stay up there for sks until you get the tunare or valuk sword, even then if you're any good you would have a quick swap bash for casters.

[Kergan]

Size matters less every xpac. In classic getting around in SolB, some places in Guk, etc was a huge PITA as a large race. In Kunark it mattered less. In Velious it means nothing, I can't think of a single area that causes an issue with size. It's not like you're gonna be focused very often as an SK either.

And I don't know why people even mention Greenmist. The weapon is trash, anyone PVPing is going be using a big damage 2her, and even if you went with 1h there are several better options that are much easier to get.

And regen gets massively overrated, you're talking about the equivalent of a couple melee swings over the course of 5 minutes when people start using 50 damage 2hers.

[Syft-X]

Size matters less every xpac. In classic getting around in SolB, some places in Guk, etc was a huge PITA as a large race. In Kunark it mattered less. In Velious it means nothing, I can't think of a single area that causes an issue with size. It's not like you're gonna be focused very often as an SK either.

And I don't know why people even mention Greenmist. The weapon is trash, anyone PVPing is going be using a big damage 2her, and even if you went with 1h there are several better options that are much easier to get.

And regen gets massively overrated, you're talking about the equivalent of a couple melee swings over the course of 5 minutes when people start using 50 damage 2hers.

This guy likes to come to the forums and try to contradict everything I say about PvP, you can listen to him if you want to but keep this in mind...

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h266/syft13/k%20shame%202_zps1zxcjq8q.png (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/syft13/media/k%20shame%202_zps1zxcjq8q.png.html)

All of his knowledge comes from theorycrafting and he has about as much PvP experience as your average TMO player on blue.

[Swish]

what do you have on red Syft? More pvp kills logged or more petitions sent?

[Syft-X]

what do you have on red Syft? More pvp kills logged or more petitions sent?

prolly under 10 petitions in 4 years, you mad I killed a friend of yours? I'm enemies with Colgate, Nirgon and Gongshow so I pretty much figure all my petitions will be ignored anyways.

Colgate is the petition king. I guarantee you there are 1000x as many petitions made about me than made by me. Empire petitions me daily.

[Kergan]

This guy likes to come to the forums and try to contradict everything I say about PvP, you can listen to him if you want to but keep this in mind...

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h266/syft13/k%20shame%202_zps1zxcjq8q.png (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/syft13/media/k%20shame%202_zps1zxcjq8q.png.html)

All of his knowledge comes from theorycrafting and he has about as much PvP experience as your average TMO player on blue.

I contradict all retarded things I see posted, don't take it personally. :)

[Syft-X]

I contradict all retarded things I see posted, don't take it personally. :)

No thanks for your constant input on pvp brah, I'm sure we all really appreciate the opinions of a guy who's played here for 4 years and has zero kills. I'd love to theory craft more hypothetical pvp scenario's with you, but I'm too busy actually pvp'ing and knowing what I'm talking about.

[Kergan]

Nothing says a Syft post like seething rage and multiple edits.

[Syft-X]

Nothing says a Syft post like seething rage and multiple edits.

Yep I'm so rustled by non factors who die to me 5 seconds after pressing logon hae hae hae

[zaos13]

You gonna raid? Ogre.

Do you want to be effective? Ogre

Do you want a cool sword name? Iksar.

[LoliPops]

http://i.imgur.com/KQJ4u90.png
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/589/618/fd0.png

[Syft-X]

^ Mad to Vyneroth lvls

[newagemystic]

Was greenmist live in velious? Thought it went out during luclin, or was that when it opened up to non-iksar races?

[Morlaeth]

Velious = Iksar only

POP = All SKs (somebody check me on this)

I know for a fact that P99 will only have the Iksar version

[Syft-X]

PvP-Wise ilksar's make great shadowknights they fall short PvE wise.

Slam not gonna be that huge of a deal, most SK's worth their salt in pvp will switch to a one hander for casters anyways to take advantage of the extra pushback and bash factor. A truly great SK will swap back in forth depending on what the caster is casting.