AONs

[Ragnaros]

Why is this even a discussion?
Sony added Nameplates to AoNs at the Luclin launch because it was beginning to be a problem.
On this box as of right now there is an INSANE amount of aons compared to live even AT LUCLIN erea, plus with a much more smaller population than live it has MORE NEGATIVE effects
How has this not been fixed yet?

[nilbog]

Sony added Nameplates to AoNs at the Luclin launch because it was beginning to be a problem.

I'm about 100% sure it was because the skeleton model was revamped with Luclin. Likewise, velious dire wolf model (without nameplate) was revamped, and gained a nameplate.

[orran]

I'm about 100% sure it was because the skeleton model was revamped with Luclin. Likewise, velious dire wolf model (without nameplate) was revamped, and gained a nameplate.

yikes!

[Ragnaros]

ya im just sayin on live at this era the server had maybe 10-15 aons with 2000 people peak time and 5000+ overall subs on a pvp server
this server has 200 players with atleast 50 aons
u see what im sayin?

[Nirgon]

you're going to need a time machine to get what you're after here

not ez but gl

[Colgate]

being able to implement the classic skeleton model was one of my favorite changes p99 was able to do

asking them to revert to the luclin era skeleton model after all the work they put in is incredibly selfish and disrespectful

[Tassador]

ya im just sayin on live at this era the server had maybe 10-15 aons with 2000 people peak time and 5000+ overall subs on a pvp server
this server has 200 players with atleast 50 aons
u see what im sayin?

Everyone has an epic too I say strip epics and make them harder to obtain!

[orran]

I'm the best everquester than ever existed

[Ragnaros]

being able to implement the classic skeleton model was one of my favorite changes p99 was able to do

asking them to revert to the luclin era skeleton model after all the work they put in is incredibly selfish and disrespectful

stop trolling nobody is asking that
we are asking for nameplates, not changes to the actual model..you can add plates without changing the initial model

[orran]

item recharging

[Ragnaros]

This box is not advertised as "Custom Solutions to Everquest 2003"

explain item recharging not in
sounds custom to me to make the box healthier
50 aons on 200 pop box not classic

[orran]

global /ooc?

[orran]

utility clickies? trak tooth? root nets?

[GradnerLives]

50 aons on 200 pop box not classic

Neither is the number of Tstaffs, Windstrikers, Skeans, Trak BPs, Fungis, Epics and Clickies.

Every player should have to h2h in human form with target rings imo. Honorable pvp server.

[orran]

tstaff pvp stun 12 seconds guaranteed unresistable?

[Ragnaros]

all im saying is that something needs to be done
something
I don't care if its nameplates
target rings
I don't care just do something please there is to many aons for a server pop this low its insane

[orran]

casting a spell and being able to duck and interrupt the casting?

[Ragnaros]

Neither is the number of Tstaffs, Windstrikers, Skeans, Trak BPs, Fungis, Epics and Clickies.

Every player should have to h2h in human form with target rings imo. Honorable pvp server.

comparing those items to an aon with no nameplate is laughable come on gradner

[orran]

oh man this server is so classic, its so classic in a kunark expansion era. ya its so classic. RETARD

[MEGANS LAW]

glad u fucking scums can't slip this 1 past ole lady angel nilberg.

ur all fucking fire giant pieces of shit.

also restore all classic mechanics. i support all of them.

[GradnerLives]

comparing those items to an aon with no nameplate is laughable come on gradner

I disagree. Fungi prevalence imo is actually a bigger problem since it effects more than just the 50-70 per side brawls.

You cited item saturation, it's not a problem that's relegated to AONs and that's not debatable.

[LoliPops]

thank god for classic project 1999 emulating classic everquest

ya dig

i love aon and all it's classicness (non aon owner who admires the item and puts it on a pedastool)

[iruinedyourday]

I disagree. Fungi prevalence imo is actually a bigger problem since it effects more than just the 50-70 per side brawls.

You cited item saturation, it's not a problem that's relegated to AONs and that's not debatable.

honesltly this is 100% truth

[Ragnaros]

please no more posting in this thread unless you have an even kdr
bunch of retard bluebies posting nonsense in here trying to sway nilberg away
having a core of 20 people spamming an aon with no nameplates is ridiculous and has never happened on live
end of discussion

[Tassador]

I disagree. Fungi prevalence imo is actually a bigger problem since it effects more than just the 50-70 per side brawls.

You cited item saturation, it's not a problem that's relegated to AONs and that's not debatable.

+1 and absolutely correct. But just fix it anyways man something needs to be done!

[Ragnaros]

You cant compare a fungi to an aon, that is absolutely idiotic
ask anyone on the server which one they would rather have
regen or no nameplat and the same illusion as 20 other people

[Colgate]

dumb argument, fungi tunics are easily farmable whereas AoNs are not, hence the value difference

fungi tunic is overall a much more gamebreaking item

[Sektor]

dumb argument, fungi tunics are easily farmable whereas AoNs are not, hence the value difference

fungi tunic is overall a much more gamebreaking item

def a troll

[orran]

ur all a bunch of retarded retards

[daasgoot]

If i could only have an AON OR a Fungi, but not both at the same time. -- would choose AON.

[pgerman]

its opposite day everyday for colgate


YES




fungus more game breaking than AON ................ LOL LOL LOLOL OLOLOLOLOLLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


Jimmony Christmas Colgate. Jimmony CHristmas

[Ragnaros]

dumb argument, fungi tunics are easily farmable whereas AoNs are not, hence the value difference

fungi tunic is overall a much more gamebreaking item

LOL I hope this is a troll

[Colgate]

AoN only really becomes gamebreaking in mass PvP, which is a very, very small part of the game

in almost every other situation in this game it doesn't really do anything

[Nirgon]

I get attacked by people with AoN all the time what is the big fucking deal

change back wands, make everything classic

[Pitborn]

How fucking hard is it to make a Target <Name> Hotkey?

[Ragnaros]

hey yowl mass pvp over dragons not a big part of the game
said no-one ever
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72c2nAl2E1qf2dg2o1_500.gif

[Ezalor]

many classic features are intentionally disabled here to provide a better PvP experience, including non-classic resists and item recharging

putting nameplates on AoN is a very reasonable request

[HippoNipple]

ya im just sayin on live at this era the server had maybe 10-15 aons with 2000 people peak time and 5000+ overall subs on a pvp server
this server has 200 players with atleast 50 aons
u see what im sayin?

You can make that argument with every high end item currently in game. Why pick on the people who have AoNs?

[Bokke]

ya im just sayin on live at this era the server had maybe 10-15 aons with 2000 people peak time and 5000+ overall subs on a pvp server
this server has 200 players with atleast 50 aons
u see what im sayin?

I don't think there were 10-15 AoNs on live at this era, at least on Tallon Zek.
The number was lower.

[Colgate]

many classic features are intentionally disabled here to provide a better PvP experience, including non-classic resists and item recharging

putting nameplates on AoN is a very reasonable request

might as well just add plane of knowledge, horses, and AAs while we're at it then, shall we?

[Ragnaros]

aons are more gamebreaking
you seriously going to compare 50 people having regen vs 50 people with the same illusion + name tag less?
kick rocks kid

[Ragnaros]

I don't think there were 10-15 AoNs on live at this era, at least on Tallon Zek.
The number was lower.

thank you for adding to my argument
please fix this non classic gamebreaking nonsense

[Colgate]

maybe i just don't understand the issue here; i have no problem finding and following the same target

maybe you should try becoming a better player instead of begging the developers to make the game easier for you

[Ragnaros]

maybe i just don't understand the issue here; i have no problem finding and following the same target

maybe you should try becoming a better player instead of begging the developers to make the game easier for you

your side rolls around with 15+ aons every mass pvp engagement compared to our 1-3
you're a retard
edit: put in recharging and instant golem wands + gate pots ( classic) or fix the problem to the non classic amount of nameplate-less aons on this box
for the sake of the server

[daasgoot]

My favorite idea so far has been to reduce the AON skelly illusion duration to sub 5min. Keeps the item very strong and valuable, but makes passing it around to a full guild for mass pvp not viable.

[Bokke]

thank you for adding to my argument
please fix this non classic gamebreaking nonsense

From my perspective there really shouldn't be an argument.

No nameplates on AoN is clearly damaging to the 'classic' environment of the game.

Changes have been made already to the server to try preserve an enjoyable experience, and maintain (as-much-as-possible) a classic environment. Trak tooth for example, and fixing random bugs, even spawn points have been changed (Ancient Cyclops).

It's not like the mechanics on red are even close to classic anyway, anyone playing or fighting a melee can see that.

[Colgate]

your side rolls around with 15+ aons every mass pvp engagement compared to our 1-3
you're a retard
edit: put in recharging and instant golem wands + gate pots ( classic) or fix the problem to the non classic amount of nameplate-less aons on this box
for the sake of the server

too bad you guys didn't recruit and contest before we were allowed to freefarm the srever for 7 months, then maybe you wouldn't be crying so hard about us having more AoNs

play better

[Ragnaros]

From my perspective there really shouldn't be an argument.

No nameplates on AoN is clearly damaging to the 'classic' environment of the game.

Changes have been made already to the server to try preserve an enjoyable experience, and maintain (as-much-as-possible) a classic environment. Trak tooth for example, and fixing random bugs, even spawn points have been changed (Ancient Cyclops).

It's not like the mechanics on red are even close to classic anyway, anyone playing or fighting a melee can see that.
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/oh_yes_creepy_loki.gif

[Ragnaros]

too bad you guys didn't recruit and contest before we were allowed to freefarm the srever for 7 months, then maybe you wouldn't be crying so hard about us having more AoNs

play better

sorry we didn't mass petition nizzar and force the gms to disband the top guild so that another guild could freely take server with no competition and mass 100 people with a batphone compared to the 30v30 that happened with nihi vs az

[Quiet]

Pretty bad when Nilbog, who barely ever posts in these forums, takes the time out of his day to smack your post down, line one, minute two and basically invalidates any and everything you could possibly come up with.

Snouted.

[Ragnaros]

Pretty bad when Nilbog, who barely ever posts in these forums, takes the time out of his day to smack your post down, line one, minute two and basically invalidates any and everything you could possibly come up with.

Snouted.

I'm about 100% sure it was because the skeleton model was revamped with Luclin. Likewise, velious dire wolf model (without nameplate) was revamped, and gained a nameplate.

quiet your a fucking retard he was agreeing with me

[Quiet]

Oh did it become Luclin when I wasn't paying attention? My bad.

Luclin , you mean that expansion they said they would never do, ever. Shows ya what they thought of those changes.

[Ragnaros]

every custom change requested by Red server for the betterment of "PvP" was a valid solution at the time, but once the times changed we asked for them to be undone, but that's not how it works.

Do not ask for custom solutions to this week's problem, because next week you can't undo it.

Please follow the classic guidelines. Please give back item recharging as it is classic, and is an example of a band-aid that was requested to be a solution to poor resist code, but is no longer needed.

Exactly..so Aons need to be changed in order for betterment of pvp

[Ragnaros]

Oh did it become Luclin when I wasn't paying attention? My bad.

Luclin , you mean that expansion they said they would never do, ever. Shows ya what they thought of those changes.

The era isn't the point you retard, the point is that sony added nameplates because it was becoming a problem.
PVP servers didn't even have 1/4 of the aons on this server during kunark
it needs to be fixed

[HippoNipple]

The server is stale and even the losing side has all the best items besides this one item, AoN. Now they want to nerf it so no one has an advantage? Why even raid anymore then?

Epics were "game breaking" too when Nihilum rocked them a week into Kunark. It is the whole point of raiding and not letting the other side win targets.

Picking out what you think is the biggest advantage for the side that has been winning for 8 months and trying to nerf it is just being a baby.

If you want it to be even go win some AoNs, you know the timers, recruit and contest.

[Quiet]

The era is the POINT OF THE ENTIRE SERVER.

[iruinedyourday]

aons are more gamebreaking
you seriously going to compare 50 people having regen vs 50 people with the same illusion + name tag less?
kick rocks kid

Fungi is worse for the server than many aon because fungi promotes solo play, twinking and other stupid blue behavior .. aons not so much.

I personally think that overall the fungi has more of an impact on the entire server, than a 56+ pvp item.

[Ragnaros]

The fact is, its ruining pvp wether you like it or not..75% of Aon carriers agree with me.
It needs to be changed, Non factors with negative KDRs like Hippo and Quiet need to be ignored they are just trying to sway the gms to keeping an unclassic stance on AoNs.
Don't even know how the server has come to this without a change, 50 + AoN's on a 200 pop box compared to 2000+ pop and less then 15 aons on live? jesus

[HippoNipple]

quiet your a fucking retard he was agreeing with me

He was disagreeing with you. Calling someone a fucking retard when you are the one that is obviously wrong is embarrassing.

[Quiet]

Yeah, cause keeping AoN's in game, helps me whenever I click my AoN. So good.

[Ezalor]

The era is the POINT OF THE ENTIRE SERVER.

how do you explain why resists were changed on purpose to be custom instead of classic? or why item recharging was disabled on purpose when item recharging was classic?

hint: you can't

[Ragnaros]

Nilbog clearly mentioned that dire wolfs with no nameplates were converted to nameplates..how is that not agreeing with me that no nameplates is bad
do you have severe autism?

[HippoNipple]

The fact is, its ruining pvp wether you like it or not..75% of Aon carriers agree with me.
It needs to be changed, Non factors with negative KDRs like Hippo and Quiet need to be ignored they are just trying to sway the gms to keeping an unclassic stance on AoNs.
Don't even know how the server has come to this without a change, 50 + AoN's on a 200 pop box compared to 2000+ pop and less then 15 aons on live? jesus

Every item in the game has the same issue.

I have a positive k/d ratio and you have died more than anyone on the box.

You have proof that 75% of AoN carriers agree with you?

[quido]

Funny how you guys only started making 5 threads a day about AONs after you realized you'd still be getting curbstomped in Good Guys. If Nilbog gave you this change, you would just be crying about some other stupid shit when you realized you were still going to get curbstomped.

[Uuruk]

June joined the guild with less Aons and can't win any meaningful pvp battles. Must suck to suck pal.

[heartbrand]

how do you explain why resists were changed on purpose to be custom instead of classic? or why item recharging was disabled on purpose when item recharging was classic?

hint: you can't

http://skift.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/4a58a1270657b8964de2e0707e8f3444.jpg

[Slathar]

Fungi is worse for the server than many aon because fungi promotes solo play, twinking and other stupid blue behavior .. aons not so much.

I personally think that overall the fungi has more of an impact on the entire server, than a 56+ pvp item.

adurrrrrrrrrrrr

[Ragnaros]

Every item in the game has the same issue.

I have a positive k/d ratio and you have died more than anyone on the box.

You have proof that 75% of AoN carriers agree with you?

Yeah I do have proof you fucking retard
Gongshow < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png ,http://puu.sh/i1pgh/b527d022e9.png
Aviato < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png
Twainz < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1tL7/12a8baf5ae.png NO VOTE
Letsjoe < Empire >
Kammbo < Empire > http://puu.sh/i47TW/4c6d366733.png
Colgate < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1yKa/f98be801cc.png NO VOTE
Chiggen < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0yrI/8b213e35f1.jpg
Gaping < Empire >
Grimmtoad < Empire > http://puu.sh/i20Ue/9478d1dec9.png
Chuckslaw < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0QjR/b11e7e5e28.png
Helenkeller < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i23rc/1e4edbb2a3.jpg NO VOTE
Waspnado < Empire >
Pyrokinetic <Empire> http://puu.sh/i48TP/aee420b682.jpg
Thrilla < Empire >
Gyno < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1ru5/5752c2d2cd.jpg NO VOTE
Vetro < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1u7s/a681cea724.png
Barcode < Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1o40/1489cad5ea.png
Chun <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1xKY/c852198208.png
Lite <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1uiJ/567a25003d.png petition starter
Deluxee <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1u0N/87d275bf5a.png
Beastagor <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1psv/bcb8190cee.png
Willy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i22lm/adf9861a28.jpg
Roberto <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1rTG/2f322276bf.png
Karatay <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i2u6f/694f697dbe.png
Adrian <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i228M/15a776c289.png
Krakin <Good guys>
Krazy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1r9A/ad61ced594.png

Enchanters who would gain name plate as well from Skeleton illusion.
http://puu.sh/i1ylT/894b04e938.png
http://puu.sh/i1yVl/0ebc9b14c6.png

Update

[Uuruk]

Rag wants changes to AoN but not the overpowered as fuck monk and unclassic hit rates. This guy's unstable as fuck.

[Quiet]

how do you explain why resists were changed on purpose to be custom instead of classic? or why item recharging was disabled on purpose when item recharging was classic?

hint: you can't

Resists were changes for a balance issue, an issue that at the very root of pvp causes a problem, a universal problem too, not one that is only experienced by people who don't have a particular item. I have no problem pvping against people in AoN form. Bring a whole army of AoN people, no problem. I would have a problem with getting rooted and blinded @ 125MR. I still have a problem never being able to land Calefaction on people at almost any point in time. I resisted it myself with only 40FR. That is a serious mechanics issue, not a simple inconvenience of character model.

[Uuruk]

AoN only really becomes gamebreaking in mass PvP, which is a very, very small part of the game

in almost every other situation in this game it doesn't really do anything

Very small part of the game. Considering gg just camp,plug or port out anytime pvp shows up.

[HippoNipple]

Lol look at that shit head petition that looks like an illegal or 3rd grade equivalent retard put together. Get smarter nerd.

[dontbanpls]

Could I get some insight on what will be petitioned against if AoNs get nerfed and good guys still can't win pvp?

[snufzaimoverlord]

Bless Lady Angel Nilbog.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by lite View Post, Here let me help with this
Gongshow < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png ,http://puu.sh/i1pgh/b527d022e9.png - Said he didnt care either way, Empire
Aviato < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png, Didnt Care, Empire.
Twainz < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1tL7/12a8baf5ae.png NO VOTE - Empire
Letsjoe < Empire > Didnt Care, Empire.
Kammbo < Empire > http://puu.sh/i47TW/4c6d366733.png Didnt Care, Empire.
Colgate < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1yKa/f98be801cc.png NO VOTE
Chiggen < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0yrI/8b213e35f1.jpg Didnt Care, Empire.
Gaping < Empire > Didnt Care, Empire.
Grimmtoad < Empire > http://puu.sh/i20Ue/9478d1dec9.png Didnt Care, Empire.
Chuckslaw < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0QjR/b11e7e5e28.png Didnt Care, Empire.
Helenkeller < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i23rc/1e4edbb2a3.jpg NO VOTE
Waspnado < Empire > Didnt Care, Empire.
Pyrokinetic <Empire> http://puu.sh/i48TP/aee420b682.jpg Didnt Care, Empire.
Thrilla < Empire >
Gyno < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1ru5/5752c2d2cd.jpg NO VOTE
Vetro < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1u7s/a681cea724.png
Barcode < Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1o40/1489cad5ea.png
Chun <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1xKY/c852198208.png Whiny fucking mule, we cant ever get more AoN - Good guys
Lite <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1uiJ/567a25003d.png petition starter Whiny fucking mule, we cant ever get more AoN - Good guys
Deluxee <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1u0N/87d275bf5a.png nerf poisons, will quit game
Beastagor <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1psv/bcb8190cee.png What?
Willy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i22lm/adf9861a28.jpg Whiny fucking mule, we cant ever get more AoN - Good guys
Roberto <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1rTG/2f322276bf.png Whiny fucking mule, we cant ever get more AoN - Good guys
Karatay <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i2u6f/694f697dbe.png Who?
Adrian <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i228M/15a776c289.png Child beater
Krakin <Good guys> Retard
Krazy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1r9A/ad61ced594.png Asshat

Enchanters who would gain name plate as well from Skeleton illusion.
http://puu.sh/i1ylT/894b04e938.png
http://puu.sh/i1yVl/0ebc9b14c6.png

Update Originally Posted by lite View Post
Gongshow < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png ,http://puu.sh/i1pgh/b527d022e9.png
Aviato < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png
Twainz < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1tL7/12a8baf5ae.png NO VOTE
Letsjoe < Empire >
Kammbo < Empire > http://puu.sh/i47TW/4c6d366733.png
Colgate < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1yKa/f98be801cc.png NO VOTE
Chiggen < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0yrI/8b213e35f1.jpg
Gaping < Empire >
Grimmtoad < Empire > http://puu.sh/i20Ue/9478d1dec9.png
Chuckslaw < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0QjR/b11e7e5e28.png
Helenkeller < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i23rc/1e4edbb2a3.jpg NO VOTE
Waspnado < Empire >
Pyrokinetic <Empire> http://puu.sh/i48TP/aee420b682.jpg
Thrilla < Empire >
Gyno < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1ru5/5752c2d2cd.jpg NO VOTE
Vetro < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1u7s/a681cea724.png
Barcode < Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1o40/1489cad5ea.png
Chun <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1xKY/c852198208.png
Lite <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1uiJ/567a25003d.png petition starter
Deluxee <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1u0N/87d275bf5a.png
Beastagor <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1psv/bcb8190cee.png
Willy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i22lm/adf9861a28.jpg
Roberto <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1rTG/2f322276bf.png
Karatay <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i2u6f/694f697dbe.png
Adrian <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i228M/15a776c289.png
Krakin <Good guys>
Krazy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1r9A/ad61ced594.png

Enchanters who would gain name plate as well from Skeleton illusion.
http://puu.sh/i1ylT/894b04e938.png
http://puu.sh/i1yVl/0ebc9b14c6.png

Update

[Nirgon]

have the golems drop them now so more people can get them?

also outside our current era but coming?

be fucking patient?

[snufzaimoverlord]

Could I get some insight on what will be petitioned against if AoNs get nerfed and good guys still can't win pvp?

Next would be rogues BS damage since most of GG monks switched from rogues, cause tstaff and avoidance FOTM.

[Ezalor]

Resists were changes for a balance issue, an issue that at the very root of pvp causes a problem, a universal problem too, not one that is only experienced by people who don't have a particular item. I have no problem pvping against people in AoN form. Bring a whole army of AoN people, no problem. I would have a problem with getting rooted and blinded @ 125MR. I still have a problem never being able to land Calefaction on people at almost any point in time. I resisted it myself with only 40FR. That is a serious mechanics issue, not a simple inconvenience of character model.

thank you, my only point was that everyone agrees unclassic changes are sometimes acceptable if it affects PvP enough

the only question then is how influential or not is AoN here, and i could see arguments both ways on that

[dis_mornin]

I'm about 100% sure it was because the skeleton model was revamped with Luclin. Likewise, velious dire wolf model (without nameplate) was revamped, and gained a nameplate.

In all seriousness.. If this is your argument for AoN then why the non classic argument for recharging. If we are going to say hey aons are staying classic just play better.. Then can we revisit some of the previous custom changes like recharging

[Colgate]

Nilbog clearly mentioned that dire wolfs with no nameplates were converted to nameplates..how is that not agreeing with me that no nameplates is bad
do you have severe autism?

one of the biggest new features in Luclin was a graphical update of each individual race's model, the elemental models, and a few other models here and there

among those other models were the skeleton and wolf models

the drakkel wolf model was changed from this:
http://eq.jeuxonline.info/images/bestiaire/4/3037.jpg

to this:
http://zam.zamimg.com/images/f/e/fecbd5de8b97024ce1ae7dfcf6e9843e.png

likewise, the skeleton model was changed from this:
http://static-1.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/52103-1-1394911320.png

to this:
http://www.almarsguides.com/Almar's%20Stuff/EQ/Leveling/Undead%20Path/Unrest/a%20greater%20skeleton.jpg


a few weeks into the expansion, they updated the original skeleton model to have a nameplate to be more in-line with the newer updated model

if you think that change had anything to do with PvP server balance regarding AoNs, may god have mercy on your incredibly retarded soul

[dis_mornin]

I would have to say arguing to add name plates because its what they did on live is dumb. I argue for nameplates because I believe the server as a whole will benefit. I also view aon nameplates as like the 4th or 5th most important issue ATM so not sure why its getting the most fan fair

[Uuruk]

Yowl enjoy your Aons and hoping they get nerfed. I'm just sitting here watching my pet get charmed and being useless in pvp as all my spells get resisted.

[Humerox]

I'm about 100% sure it was because the skeleton model was revamped with Luclin. Likewise, velious dire wolf model (without nameplate) was revamped, and gained a nameplate.

True. And it was beneficial to mass PvP. The end result was they obviously thought nameplates were a good idea for some reason, and the incoming expansion was a good time to implement it rather than coding before that since a crapload of models were being adjusted/changed.

It's a huge clusterf**k here and it's only going to get worse into Velious because if it's not changed not only will CT will still be dropping it but so will the golems...and it's only going to become an even larger issue.

[Colgate]

CT 2.0 doesn't drop AoN

[Kergan]

I'm about 100% sure it was because the skeleton model was revamped with Luclin. Likewise, velious dire wolf model (without nameplate) was revamped, and gained a nameplate.

The wording in the patch notes (which came 35 days after Luclin launch, not with the new models) seems to indicate they were trying to remove any occurrence where a nameplate did not appear:

- A player character will always have a name over its head, even if
they are skeletons (unless /shownames is off), with the exception of
some rare cases when players are turned into certain NPCs

[Colgate]

i would assume that was because the new model wasn't consistent with the old model that some people had(i assume from not having the luclin expansion installed)

the idea that they did it with any regard to PvP is pretty insane

[Kergan]

I don't think PVP had anything to do with it. I think it was bugged the entire time and they got around to fixing it.

[Colgate]

i agree, that was likely the case; they probably just didn't notice enough to give a shit until they made a new model and there was a discrepancy

ragnaros spamming "THEY PUT IN NAMEPLATES BECAUSE IT WAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM ON PVP SERVERS" is very much likely way off the mark

[Ragnaros]

Mr Culkin, that doesn't change the fact that there are atleast 10x more aons on this server then there ever was on live, and they had over 2k population, which here we have 200.
It is damaging the server and giving an advantage to the zerg guild.
Fix it

[Uuruk]

Mr Culkin, that doesn't change the fact that there are atleast 10x more aons on this server then there ever was on live, and they had over 2k population, which here we have 200.
It is damaging the server and giving an advantage to the zerg guild.
Fix it

Hmm the zerg guild? You guys have had more than us on quite a few occasions.

[Colgate]

"my guild can't win; please step in staff and make them stop winning so hard"

[iruinedyourday]

Mr Culkin, that doesn't change the fact that there are atleast 10x more aons on this server then there ever was on live, and they had over 2k population, which here we have 200.
It is damaging the server and giving an advantage to the zerg guild.
Fix it

There are 10x more tears thats for sure.

[Crazycloud]

being able to implement the classic skeleton model was one of my favorite changes p99 was able to do

asking them to revert to the luclin era skeleton model after all the work they put in is incredibly selfish and disrespectful

[Crazycloud]

"my guild can't win; please step in staff and make them stop winning so hard"

[Ragnaros]

remember when holocaust inner core couldn't win for 3 years until gms banned an innocent person and their guild
I remember it like it was yesterday

[Uuruk]

Nizz innocent????what the fuck are you smoking dude.

[Ragnaros]

what did he do the second time? lead in his own privately paid for teamspeak?
hehehehe gud 1

[Colgate]

don't think rag has seen the rettiwalk screenshot

[Ragnaros]

did he exploit? answer is no
did he rmt again? answer is no

[Stalos_]

The whole "its classic" is void when this server isn't entirely classic. Just say you like it how it is.

All the regurgitated jargon is pointless. I am not amused.

[JayN]

red blue as fuck!

[Omnifiend]

Lurking and reading about the AoN problem for a while. One side has not many and wants them changed. Other side has a ton and doesn't want them changed. Does that about sum it up?

As far as I can tell neither reason is particularly compelling for changing something that was classic. Ultimately people come to the box for a sort of classic feel. Any change from classic should be thought about very carefully, no matter how small, or how big.

I get that the server isn't entirely classic. It can't be, but at the same time, just because 'the server isn't entirely classic' doesn't mean things should be changed willy nilly.

[orran]

if you think that change had anything to do with PvP server balance regarding AoNs, may god have mercy on your incredibly retarded soul

you were 2 years old when this change was made, so im pretty sure you know nothing about it nerd loser virgin.

[iruinedyourday]

red blue as fuck!

[Doors]

Even if they put nameplates in you guys will find something else to bitch and complain about in another month. It's a never ending river of tears on these forums.

[dontbanpls]

Even if they put nameplates in you guys will find something else to bitch and complain about in another month. It's a never ending river of tears on these forums.

Exactly. There is a butt load of proof supporting this.

[hatelore]

def a troll

Nerf fungi to 7 regen, cap t staff proc to 5 seconds, make aon have nAme tag and 19 second cast, make all clickable items 7 seconds at least, cap rogue backstab at 250, inact variance and weekly repops and make rapture resistance at 80 mr and let's call it a day.

[hatelore]

Har har

[Kergan]

i agree, that was likely the case; they probably just didn't notice enough to give a shit until they made a new model and there was a discrepancy

ragnaros spamming "THEY PUT IN NAMEPLATES BECAUSE IT WAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM ON PVP SERVERS" is very much likely way off the mark

PVP drove absolutely no changes on EQ live. Hell, they didn't even have a beta PVP server. :P

[ElemtalRZ]

How many mages on this server stop pvping because of the charm nerf to epic pets. This isn't classic this is classic in the eyes of players who have never played classic. Lets make this game better and remove the name plates.

[quido]

sound logic lol

[snufzaimoverlord]

How many mages on this server stop pvping because of the charm nerf to epic pets. This isn't classic this is classic in the eyes of players who have never played classic. Lets make this game better and remove the name plates.

Hey look its someone who got in range to 60 then stopped logging on.

Wonder why.

[TheBiznessTZ]

Hey look its someone who got in range to 60 then stopped logging on.

Wonder why.

We all know why... you seen his pvp videos right? Eq pvp must be super hard when you're clicking every button and keyboard turning...

[Hitmonlee]

People sound retarded when they want to keep gamebreaking things in the game because it's "classic". Just an awful argument. There's already a ton of shit non-classic, why leave stupid crap like no-nameplates?

[Uuruk]

As much as i dislike Elemtal he's right. Its pretty unreal that a class exists here that is absolutely useless in pvp. But lets fix AoNs first.

[Rushmore]

As much as i dislike Elemtal he's right. Its pretty unreal that a class exists here that is absolutely useless in pvp. But lets fix AoNs first.

this is off topic but I don't quite understand why Clerics can't do anything in pvp but heal. While Druids and Shamans do both. Not like I'm getting a CH off in PVP

[Osyruz]

you were 2 years old when this change was made, so im pretty sure you know nothing about it nerd loser virgin.

This.

[Agatha]

should just stop AON's from dropping, its 90% of red server RMT. replace the current AON's with DE masks.

problem solved. no need to have name plates or target rings.

I mean at this point the server has never been more top heavy with one guild 1/3 of its population having 99% of the AON's on this server. Even during nihilums reign it wasn't quite this bad.

Throw in the blatant cheating by the same guild and a lack of staff that even understands the rules on this server, not to mention the actual man power to police it. I think the server staff is going to have to start making hard choices.

[TacoSmasher]

should just stop AON's from dropping, its 90% of red server RMT. replace the current AON's with DE masks.

problem solved. no need to have name plates or target rings.

I mean at this point the server has never been more top heavy with one guild 1/3 of its population having 99% of the AON's on this server. Even during nihilums reign it wasn't quite this bad.

Throw in the blatant cheating by the same guild and a lack of staff that even understands the rules on this server, not to mention the actual man power to police it. I think the server staff is going to have to start making hard choices.

nice essay you fuckin cornball loser. reading all the whiney, crybaby posts from good guys is a treat for my eyes, im smilin hard. its even better that you guys are so pathetic that you have made multiple new threads a few days in a row now.



good guys should rename their guild to <FQ And Petitionquest>

will pop some bottles for you when june gets dirtnapped by the banhammer. KEK.

stay* mad

[pgerman]

AoN only really becomes gamebreaking in mass PvP, which is a very, very small part of the game

in almost every other situation in this game it doesn't really do anything


I think you've started to believe your own lies. All down hill from here buddy.


PVE everquest = ez mode with 100 people, no strategy needed, and effectively breaks the game

PvP everquest = broken with bunch of nameless skeletons running around in mass pvp ( your words, not mine)

So you play broken PVE and PVP content, and propose no changes on ether front to change this.
Your trolls are not even trolls anymore, they are just you saying "no" over and over again. Like any two year old reacts to sharing .

[beta]

many classic features are intentionally disabled here to provide a better PvP experience, including non-classic resists and item recharging

putting nameplates on AoN is a very reasonable request

[Slathar]

We all know why... you seen his pvp videos right? Eq pvp must be super hard when you're clicking every button and keyboard turning...

yeah ur record of 3-856 is way better. LOL trolled!

[TrollCall]

http://noskel.altervista.org/custom/global_chr.s3d

http://i.imgur.com/MwqciuN.png

[iruinedyourday]

replace AON's with DE masks.

annnnnnd now im like ok yes. :D:D:D

[lite]

http://noskel.altervista.org/custom/global_chr.s3d

http://i.imgur.com/MwqciuN.png

is this legal?

[TacoSmasher]

is this legal?

Now Lite and his friends can start using custom game files to avoid classic mechanics to give themselves an advantage. Integrity folks!

[SamwiseRed]

http://noskel.altervista.org/custom/global_chr.s3d

http://i.imgur.com/MwqciuN.png

nice, I had the same idea the other day. Good to see it works.

[TacoSmasher]

nice, I had the same idea the other day. Good to see it works.

Now Lite and his friends can start using custom game files to avoid classic mechanics to give themselves an advantage. Integrity folks!

[Agatha]

Good Guys does not condone the use of any skins turn skeletons into humans. And i remember reading that the nizzar skins were deemed illegal by a staff post not to long ago.

Also, seems a little odd that certain members of the guild received anon TS msg's with the config, specialy seeing as noone in GG messes around with skins, the only people on the box known to be messing with skins have been empire, with nizzar skins.

never the less i have advised anyone in good guys against its use, as the staff has deemed such use against the rules(i think). But since im going to imagine myself in the GM's shoes for an instance im going to gander that this is against the rules and not try to justify it and rule lawyer our way around this shit.

[SamwiseRed]

Custom skins and textures have been openly distributed on the forums for awhile now. Even nilbog uses some. When did this become illegal?

[TacoSmasher]

Good Guys does not condone the use of any skins turn skeletons into humans. And i remember reading that the nizzar skins were deemed illegal by a staff post not to long ago.

Also, seems a little odd that certain members of the guild received anon TS msg's with the config, specialy seeing as noone in GG messes around with skins, the only people on the box known to be messing with skins have been empire, with nizzar skins.

never the less i have advised anyone in good guys against its use, as the staff has deemed such use against the rules(i think). But since im going to imagine myself in the GM's shoes for an instance im going to gander that this is against the rules and not try to justify it and rule lawyer our way around this shit.


Welcome to the spin zone. Prof of these anon messages please or you are actually batshit crazy if you are trying to suggest some sort of conspiracy theory.

Yes Agatha, there is a <empire> hit squad out trying to get <good guys> members to unwittingly load modified game files that will get them banned.


KEK.

[SamwiseRed]

Welcome to the spin zone. Prof of these anon messages please or you are actually batshit crazy if you are trying to suggest some sort of conspiracy theory.

Yes Agatha, there is a <empire> hit squad out trying to get <good guys> members to unwittingly load modified game files so they get banned.


KEK.

Yikes if really that stupid.

[TacoSmasher]

Custom skins and textures have been openly distributed on the forums for awhile now. Even nilbog uses some. When did this become illegal?


Yikes if really that stupid.

[Agatha]

are we talking about me believing these things before or after i found out empire members back in nihilum days were the ones teaching people who to use scripts and then turning them into GM's to be banned?

cause if we are going by todays knowledge, yes, yes i do believe empire would do something like this, in a heart beat.

[TacoSmasher]

are we talking about me believing these things before or after i found out empire members back in nihilum days were the ones teaching people who to use scripts and then turning them into GM's to be banned?

cause if we are going by todays knowledge, yes, yes i do believe empire would do something like this, in a heart beat.

prof or stfu

[Agatha]

prof or stfu

what are you, unware of your own guild rmting from nihilum/nizzar and then turning them in? Did you not know ontop of that they also taught several members of nihilum how to use scripts and turned them in aswell? lol.


I mean ill overlook it this once because everyone always just focus's on the nizzar ban, but it was a multiple pronged attack against nihilum, making sure they were KO'd.

[Slathar]

Welcome to the spin zone. Prof of these anon messages please or you are actually batshit crazy if you are trying to suggest some sort of conspiracy theory.

Yes Agatha, there is a <empire> hit squad out trying to get <good guys> members to unwittingly load modified game files that will get them banned.


KEK.

dear diary im furious

[SamwiseRed]

why do people care what models other people use. yikes :)

[Technique]

I foresee more client files being hashed in the near future.

[Rabid]

if you didnt guild hop so much, you might have one bub.

[Nocsucow]

if you didnt guild hop so much, you might have one bub.

You have been in just as many guilds as him... more counting the guild hoping you did on giggity. He will have one soon... I'll make sure of it;)

[daasgoot]

AON IRL

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