Reaching out to the leaders of empire

[Agatha]

As of late Good Guys has encountered many empire, many times losing, a few times winning. Good Guys has met and exceeded the expectations of the leadership of Good Guys many times over, within a week we have had about 5 dragons, constant leveling groups.

The leadership of Good Guys does however realize we are nowhere near empires strength and skill level, we are the 2nd guild on the server with a large gap to the 1st. We provide this server with an alternate choice of guilds that still have some success in the raid scene, without us the server would go back to its old stale self of the past 8 months.

And this is why i come here in public to ask for your help in curtailing certain guild members blatant cheating, exploiting, and LNS violations. Getting owned by 50 players 20 of them having AON's is no big deal, having you guys listen into our TS to come stomp out our small fear clears is no big deal, Good Guys has the resolve to deal with that. What can't and won't be tolerated is the constant cheating.

In the coming days the staff will be making you aware of the players that are part of the problem, I don't want to see people banned, suspended, I want to see a clean server, and to see the server grow and be healthy.

- with respect, Agatha

[Nadir]

Warning shots fired.

[MEGANS LAW]

As of late Good Guys has encountered many empire, many times losing, a few times winning. Good Guys has met and exceeded the expectations of the leadership of Good Guys many times over, within a week we have had about 5 dragons, constant leveling groups.

The leadership of Good Guys does however realize we are nowhere near empires strength and skill level, we are the 2nd guild on the server with a large gap to the 1st. We provide this server with an alternate choice of guilds that still have some success in the raid scene, without us the server would go back to its old stale self of the past 8 months.

And this is why i come here in public to ask for your help in curtailing certain guild members blatant cheating, exploiting, and LNS violations. Getting owned by 50 players 20 of them having AON's is no big deal, having you guys listen into our TS to come stomp out our small fear clears is no big deal, Good Guys has the resolve to deal with that. What can't and won't be tolerated is the constant cheating.

In the coming days the staff will be making you aware of the players that are part of the problem, I don't want to see people banned, suspended, I want to see a clean server, and to see the server grow and be healthy.

- with respect, Agatha

get rid of the azrael fire giants like everybody has told you too.

good guys (basically fresh) and empire can be on friendly terms. but not with azrael/friends fire giants in the guild.

good luck.

[Slathar]

get rid of the azrael fire giants like everybody has told you too.

good guys (basically fresh) and empire can be on friendly terms. but not with azrael/friends fire giants in the guild.

good luck.

never gona happen. i will petitionquest any rule breakers. luv getting ppl banned.

[Eslade]

decrease your guild by 2/3 and we'll let you have faydedar every other week.

[dis_mornin]

Would expect this type of post or thread coming from actual GG leadership. Not just some clown like Agatha

[Agatha]

If you have any specific concerns with any of our members please feel free to let me know, as Good guys does not condone cheating of any sort. Azrael is no longer Azrael, we are good guys. Simply being from another guild at another time is not grounds for dismissal.

If you do have legit concerns about any of our members please let us know, because this is a two way street. But simply slapping a blanket fatwa saying any guild that has ex-azrael members in it is going to be treated with unfair practices such as LNS violations, screen dragging and training our raids is quite frankly not a substitutive request.

[MEGANS LAW]

If you have any specific concerns with any of our members please feel free to let me know, as Good guys does not condone cheating of any sort. Azrael is no longer Azrael, we are good guys. Simply being from another guild at another time is not grounds for dismissal.

If you do have legit concerns about any of our members please let us know, because this is a two way street. But simply slapping a blanket fatwa saying any guild that has ex-azrael members in it is going to be treated with unfair practices such as LNS violations, screen dragging and training our raids is quite frankly not a substitutive request.

shrug. do what u want. you know how majority of empire stands. you can reason it out all you want and say lite/slathar/jibekn/smedy/rest of the fire giants are now 'good guys' but that doesn't change empire's stance.

good luck and god bless.

[Eslade]

agatha on or off drugs?
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/fry-not-sure.gif

[Stasis01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsUscVoZcMQ

[Agatha]

shrug. do what u want. you know how majority of empire stands. you can reason it out all you want and say lite/slathar/jibekn/smedy/rest of the fire giants are now 'good guys' but that doesn't change empire's stance.

good luck and god bless.

This is a 15 year old emulated game, with a player base of around 500. I honestly don't know what azrael did to you in the past that makes you think cheating/training/LNS violating an entirely new guild with entirely new leadership, but I assure you no argument you can present will convince me that these blatant violations of server rules and policy is warranted in the least. And I imagine the server staff will see it that way aswell.

I have said all im going to say, i made my point. I offered to handle this in a civil manner, and I hope you can take this to your boss.

- Agatha

[magician]

you dont have to type

-agatha

we are well aware of who you are

-burt

[MEGANS LAW]

This is a 15 year old emulated game, with a player base of around 500. I honestly don't know what azrael did to you in the past that makes you think cheating/training/LNS violating an entirely new guild with entirely new leadership, but I assure you no argument you can present will convince me that these blatant violations of server rules and policy is warranted in the least. And I imagine the server staff will see it that way aswell.

I have said all im going to say, i made my point. I offered to handle this in a civil manner, and I hope you can take this to your boss.

- Agatha

you mean the previous 3 years of scummery, boxing, training, and general douche baggery? fresh was given same warnings about azrael. good guys is now in same boat.

you group/guild/raid with azrael, you're going to burn in the holy fires of Emperor Gongustus the Tyrannical, Emperor of the Holy Norrathian Empire.

Until Azrael are out of good guys, Empire is at total war with Good Guys.

even though i don't play much, i'm just a forum quest hero.

http://i.imgur.com/Ve3VvB0.jpg

[hatelore]

Agatha, get off the dope. Quit trolling server chat.

[Genedin]

LOL@gyno pic, no shame at all.

Agatha, name these rule breakers, push the button, or gtfo. Approaching Drakar status here.

[Krule]

LOL@gyno pic, no shame at all.

Agatha, name these rule breakers, push the button, or gtfo. Approaching Drakar status here.

Ahhh Drakkar, that was some nice cologne back in the day.

Also a good character name. Time to go shopping at the mall for alt names.

[hatelore]

I do know of an individual who has fraps of june crawfishing out of a 1on1 by screendragging at about 8% yesterday, pretty sure that will be submitted if it isn't already. June so dirty his whistle be made out of dookie.

[Ragnaros]

I do know of an individual who has fraps of june crawfishing out of a 1on1 by screendragging at about 8% yesterday, pretty sure that will be submitted if it isn't already. June so dirty his whistle be made out of dookie.

Purse mad he is suspended , stupid hick
Post proof or it didnt happen fuckhead

[LoliPops]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5f/f9/8f/5ff98f204fc646808e8b9317211281d1.jpg

[grannock]

Explain this "cheating". June screendrags 100 times a day.

[hatelore]

Purse mad he is suspended , stupid hick
Post proof or it didnt happen fuckhead

U sound bitter, I'll be sure to send u a tell later on purse tonight so we can talk about your issues.

[Rednaros]

feels good I can log on and enjoy norrath

[TheBiznessTZ]

feels good I can log on and enjoy norrath

It's going to be hard for rellas and mutant to say that. Make sure to let them know daddy gasoline is sending them on a nice vacation. You nerds should stop violating LNS.

[Slathar]

It's going to be hard for rellas and mutant to say that. Make sure to let them know daddy gasoline is sending them on a nice vacation. You nerds should stop violating LNS.

ur pvp dominance as a 4 and 709 ranger dual wielding ykesha swords strikes fear into everyones hearts

[dontbanpls]

This is what you guys brought onto yourselves. I think it is great that Good guys is getting what they deserve. You're a guild full of traitors. It's a matter of time before yall end up splitting ways and the server is going to suffer for it. That's just on anyone who joined that abomination.

[Gardur]

Max you didn't have to disband Fresh. You didn't have to force 1/4 of the server into taking sides. But you did, and so did they.

If I could point to the ONE person that made GG possible it'd be you.

[HippoNipple]

As of late Good Guys has encountered many empire, many times losing, a few times winning. Good Guys has met and exceeded the expectations of the leadership of Good Guys many times over, within a week we have had about 5 dragons, constant leveling groups.

The leadership of Good Guys does however realize we are nowhere near empires strength and skill level, we are the 2nd guild on the server with a large gap to the 1st. We provide this server with an alternate choice of guilds that still have some success in the raid scene, without us the server would go back to its old stale self of the past 8 months.

And this is why i come here in public to ask for your help in curtailing certain guild members blatant cheating, exploiting, and LNS violations. Getting owned by 50 players 20 of them having AON's is no big deal, having you guys listen into our TS to come stomp out our small fear clears is no big deal, Good Guys has the resolve to deal with that. What can't and won't be tolerated is the constant cheating.

In the coming days the staff will be making you aware of the players that are part of the problem, I don't want to see people banned, suspended, I want to see a clean server, and to see the server grow and be healthy.

- with respect, Agatha

Hasn't this guild been around for like 1 week? Go negotiate with FoH.

[MEGANS LAW]

Max you didn't have to disband Fresh. You didn't have to force 1/4 of the server into taking sides. But you did, and so did they.

If I could point to the ONE person that made GG possible it'd be you.

DONT U FUCKING PUT THAT ON MAX.

UR A GOD DAMN MONSTER.

[dontbanpls]

Max you didn't have to disband Fresh. You didn't have to force 1/4 of the server into taking sides. But you did, and so did they.

If I could point to the ONE person that made GG possible it'd be you.

You're right I did make it possible. By spending the 8 months prior to that trying to make a guild for people to escape that sort of shit. You're all happy as can be playing without me so it really goes to show how much gratitude I got out of it.

[syzygyst]

Max you didn't have to disband Fresh. You didn't have to force 1/4 of the server into taking sides. But you did, and so did they.

If I could point to the ONE person that made GG possible it'd be you.

[dontbanpls]

Now I even get to be demonized by the people who led the mutiny against me. It's very nice and made it all worth it.

[Colgate]

"hey max the officers voted and we think we're going to be leaving fresh with a majority of the members to join this new alliance guild"

tunak disbands the guild because he wants nothing to do with merging

"YOU GAVE US NO CHOICE TO JOIN THEM MAX, THIS IS ALL ON YOU, YOU KILLED FRESH"

am i missing something here?

[Slathar]

colgate defending max


alrighty then

[Colgate]

nah tunak is still in my top 2 of most disliked people on the box list, just after qazzaz, but the fact that gardur and co are trying to blame fresh disbanding on him is p retarded

[dis_mornin]

The grave robber is everyone's least favorite person. And brobby

[Colgate]

brobb is definitely a piece of shit but he's so stupid that i can't help but laugh at him

[Gardur]

Now I even get to be demonized by the people who led the mutiny against me. It's very nice and made it all worth it.

Nah man I've been cool this whole time and you take every opportunity to attack me and call me a betrayer. Truth is I was your most loyal officer. I told you exactly what was up at every opportunity and gave you advice on how to keep fresh independent. We held an officers meeting where we voted to stay out of any alliance then 6 days later you ordered tala and I to make an alliance.

I was loyal to Fresh until it was disbanded and now I spend my time looking after all those that we're Fresh. We even put our heads together to carry the flag for Fresh after you destroyed what we had all been working for.

[dontbanpls]

at least you convinced yourself that you're such a hero. The most you helped to keep fresh independent was telling people "i'll go where ever most other people go". Obviously that was very convincing. You're the top dog now tho and that is probably all you really wanted. It was my fault for trusting you and Tala. Obviously that was the biggest mistake I ever made with <Fresh>.

[TheBiznessTZ]

at least you convinced yourself that you're such a hero.

R.I.P <Fresh> you will be missed /plays that sad trumpet song

[Colgate]

taps?

[TheBiznessTZ]

You're right I did make it possible. By spending the 8 months prior to that trying to make a guild for people to escape that sort of shit. You're all happy as can be playing without me so it really goes to show how much gratitude I got out of it.

Pras max the Jesus of r99.

[Gardur]

Your future leaders used to try and get me to betray you constantly. Ask them what my response was every time.

[Madbad]

at least you convinced yourself that you're such a hero. The most you helped to keep fresh independent was telling people "i'll go where ever most other people go". Obviously that was very convincing. You're the top dog now tho and that is probably all you really wanted. It was my fault for trusting you and Tala. Obviously that was the biggest mistake I ever made with <Fresh>.

LOL bashing Tala is prolly the worst thing you can do. The guy has more credibility than anyone else on box.

[dontbanpls]

I uninstalled. I don't have any side that I want to be on anymore. Continue to take part in the one thing I was most adamantly against as if you are doing me some big favor tho. I'm sure I'll come around never.

[Madbad]

Too bad you can't uninstall the forums eh?

[dontbanpls]

LOL bashing Tala is prolly the worst thing you can do. The guy has more credibility than anyone else on box.

Right cus he didn't run around trying to convince everyone to leave fresh and join the alliance guild? Also I have zero credibility ? That gratitude rearing it's ugly head again.

[Madbad]

I hope you uninstall from real life

I'm shedding a real tear right now.

[TheBiznessTZ]

Right cus he didn't run around trying to convince everyone to leave fresh and join the alliance guild? Also I have zero credibility ? That gratitude rearing it's ugly head again.

YOWL stole his guild he nursed from a wee lil baby. YOWL just a bunch of cradle robbers. Max why don't you just get on and Pk them!? Maybe colgate would let you pvpz with us. Pras Colgate.

[syzygyst]

I'm shedding a real tear right now.

Don't mind methboy, he's all methamped

[Gardur]

Sounds like you are trying to place the blame onto others. You are the firegiant who finally brought fresh to its knees by pitting guild member v guild member and then joining azrael 19.0

I don't know who you are but you are extremely wrong. Lite isn't even leading GG. I never lobbied a single fresh to merge. Reality is they lobbied me extremely hard to get me to even say maybe.

I went with my pals.

[Madbad]

Right cus he didn't run around trying to convince everyone to leave fresh and join the alliance guild? Also I have zero credibility ? That gratitude rearing it's ugly head again.

He never tried to convince me, he also never tried to pretend like he wasn't going. Tala was totally open about his intentions the entire time.

The main thing I'm grateful to you for, Max, is the use of the TS server (not sure if you paid for this or not). Made tons of friends in <Fresh> TS. So thank you max.

As far as my character goes? I leveled him to 51 before fresh was a twinkle in your eye. I think I was only in one XP group with you Max so I don't feel like I owe you anything as far as leveling my toon goes. Furthermore, as far as gear goes, the rank and file of <Fresh> are who actually helped me. My loyalty is toward them.


Most of the time you and Karsten were absentee leaders, and you are surprised your core went with Gardur?

[krazyGlue]

Who plays umbrella ? I already submitted 3'petitons with fraps of him screen dragging . I can't wait for my petitions get moved to resolved

[Humerox]

There is no <Fresh> anymore. It's done. Calling for any former members to leave <GG> is a waste of time.

[Gardur]

There is no <Fresh> anymore. It's done. Calling for any former members to leave <GG> is a waste of time.

Just another <Good Guy> now.

[Madbad]

Just another <Good Guy> now.

[dontbanpls]

Since you guys are confused about what loyalty means I'll show you what a truely loyal member of fresh had to say about the new guild.


Curunol

from AtlasCycle sent 7 days ago

Hey pal,

I'm real sorry to hear about what's happened. I haven't been logging on as much recently due to work and I was shocked at what I was hearing the officers talk about in TS the other week. A few days later I saw you decided to disband.

You've done a lot to help me, just like you've helped everyone else, and I wanted to talk before I ran and tagged Good Guys like all these other sheep.

I'm still unguilded at the moment. Stooney and Alton have been logging on lately, and I'm half-entertaining the idea of reforming Dungeon Fever with them and some other lone wolves we can get together.

I've seen on the Forums you intend to join Empire, but I'm not sure I'd ever be able to wear that tag after the experiences of the past year.

It sounds a little crazy to me that's your choice and I'd like to hear your reasons. I'd still like to help you spread the cool and normal spirit but I don't see that happening with us in Empire.

Holla back dude. Also, I heard you had beers with Karsten and his GF!!! I need to get a Philly meetup rolling one of these days, from what i can tell there's like 4 or 5 people with my city as a location.

[Madbad]

Curunol is a solid ass dude.

[syzygyst]

He actually had worse things to say about Empire. Man, I hope you get the help, and peace you so desperately need. I was guilded Fresh at one point, and there were some really cool and helpful people there. I think you let your own anger turn into intransigence, and you just dug in your heels and went nuclear. I'm sorry man, Fresh was doing some good things, but I have the feeling GG is going to run with your original intent and do some good things for red.

[Madbad]

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/50734/1378859-bene1.jpg

More like:

http://i.imgur.com/KZNJ6bL.jpg

[syzygyst]

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/50734/1378859-bene1.jpg

Hmm, if you ever really read, you would have gotten a different perspective on our friend Benedict. alas, they hid that information from you in books.

[Slathar]

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/50734/1378859-bene1.jpg

wuts abe lincoln got to do with it? u marfan?

[Drakaris]

nah tunak is still in my top 2 of most disliked people on the box list, just after qazzaz, but the fact that gardur and co are trying to blame fresh disbanding on him is p retarded

Dude you shit talk about me more than any other player on this box and I'm not #1 on that list. Something seems awefully skewed here.

[Colgate]

not everything is about you

get over it, you insignificant tard

[Humerox]

Curunol is a solid ass dude.

Curunol IS solid. He's also apped <GG> and I've vouched for him...and I'm sure Gardur/Tala will too.

...Fresh was doing some good things, but I have the feeling GG is going to run with your original intent and do some good things for red.

Amen, brother.

[Terpuntine]

not everything is about you

get over it, you insignificant tard

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/mr-t-lol.gif

[dontbanpls]

Curunol IS solid. He's also apped <GG> and I've vouched for him...and I'm sure Gardur/Tala will too.



Amen, brother.

Elitism, app's, removal of raid access to new players, and a corrupt DKP system that is going to punish new players for taking rot gear while veteran players stack DKP for velious gear. Very nice and totally worth stabbing me in the back 8]

[Masq]

a+ lilgyno screendragging across DL

[Madbad]

Elitism, app's, removal of raid access to new players, and a corrupt DKP system that is going to punish new players for taking rot gear while veteran players stack DKP for velious gear. Very nice and totally worth stabbing me in the back 8]

That's like the fox news version of whats happening. Tiny kernels of truth distorted beyond recognition.

[Fael]

Yea because fox is different than all the other TV news channels in terms of telling it true

[Madbad]

Yea because fox is different than all the other TV news channels in terms of telling it true

They aren't different, maybe a little more shockingly blatant though?

[Humerox]

Elitism, app's, removal of raid access to new players, and a corrupt DKP system that is going to punish new players for taking rot gear while veteran players stack DKP for velious gear. Very nice and totally worth stabbing me in the back 8]

I'm stacking DKP already for Velious. Not a whole lot of people with scrub gear left in <GG> and planar drops are cheap DKP; everyone sees what's bid because the guild decided blind bids weren't the best way to go. Makes it a little harder on the leadership but they want to remain transparent.

Nothing's being black-holed because other people are tracking all of it just to make sure it remains fair.

None of this has been about YOU, Max. I understand how you feel but you had the chance to get in at the top had you decided to put the past behind. There are plenty in the guild that had good reason to dislike each other but they're all working together. It's a shame you couldn't do the same.

Personally I felt you kept wanting to bring the guild back to the <Empire> fold, and they were constantly courting you. <Fresh> definitely didn't want to be there. I don't hate <Empire> but I don't like a blue server, either. R99 wasn't made for everyone to hold hands and happy dance. It's just a game. Friends today can be enemies tomorrow and vice-versa. Anyone who thinks differently is entirely too immersed.

[dontbanpls]

I just don't understand how it is so easy for you and everyone else to ignore that these people harassed me far beyond the realm of this game and for the better part of a year.
It was unfair to force me to make this decision to either spend all my time playing with people who had forced me to change my phone number after they put it all over craigslists selling cars, phones, and appliances only to start calling my employer several times a day for nine months after I had it changed and they couldn't harass me with craigslist ads.

I made Fresh so that people didn't have to be a part of that environment and so that they could maintain distance from the people who brought that to the server. I did everything I could to prevent what it happening right now. Now everyone that I brought together spends every day betraying the vision that I had for the server to elevate to a less toxic and more inviting environment.

Everyone is back to doing whatever they can to eek out an edge. Petitioning each other, griefing, and just going back to the black and white us vs them mentality of the past.


In my opinion this alliance guild was not worth losing even a single member of fresh. If we lost anyone it was going to change the whole position of the guild. It was just going to be another guild that was trying to snipe members from fresh and bully us into submission. That is what it has become. Good guys is just Empire(2)

[Magikarp]

the bit about the phone & employer is over the line. would like to know the individuals / group of folks you are referring to just for my own personal safety.

server felt very fresh with <fresh>. brought a genuinely welcoming feeling to entering the red server. wouldnt say we're quite back to what it was a year ago without them but we definitely lost a positive thing

hey jw, did you consider just kicking out the infidels and keeping fresh?

[snufzaimoverlord]

Just curious do you have to spend DKP on planar set drops in GG?

[krazyGlue]

the bit about the phone & employer is over the line. would like to know the individuals / group of folks you are referring to just for my own personal safety.

server felt very fresh with <fresh>. brought a genuinely welcoming feeling to entering the red server. wouldnt say we're quite back to what it was a year ago without them but we definitely lost a positive thing

hey jw, did you consider just kicking out the infidels and keeping fresh?

You can search various threads about it . But max was the person spamming 30-40 people with a batphone because he claimed 1 person stripped his account and expected / wanted everyone to pay the price for it . Either way max I got
Spammed for almost a year by you and I still think you are an alright guy . Just make sure you take your meds buddy

[Slathar]

depends on how many people send a tell. not sure if theyre actually charged or not. but since its a dkp bid system and 100% fair its up to the person to decide ultimately. luv having the fairest loot system in the everquest universe. luv my tight knit christian family guild.

LOL trolled!

[grannock]

So you guys are gonna have dkp to award level 50 planar armor? Seems like a waste of everyones energy.

[Lasher]

Bidding is fair but its easy to manipulate and take advantage of if yoy know how to be savy

[Nirgon]

Guild couldn't survive without Casey wiping raids for that pixel lust.

Casey doesn't wipe raids

I should wash your mouth out with soap and water

[HalflingWarrior]

Fuckin no lifer loser

These guys in <Empire> have played hardcore on what the last four or five PvP emulator boxes? They've cheated and exploited on all of them too!

Time to move on with ur life eh pals?