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Humerox
10-18-2010, 05:44 PM
So...there's a new bill being considered at this very moment that will give the Attorney General's office a heavy fist in denying Americans complete freedom in accessing the Internet.

Help stop this crap.

DemandProgress.org (http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/?source=fb)

Rogean
10-18-2010, 07:47 PM
The article starts off with the fact that the president is urging other countries to stop their censorship. This means that even if congress wanted to pass a bill for our own censorship... the president would veto it.

Crover_CT99
10-18-2010, 07:51 PM
Nevermind.

Aum
10-18-2010, 07:57 PM
Eh, election year is not that far away. He's not stupid enough to allow something that would upset such a large group of the public to go through.

Humerox
10-18-2010, 08:34 PM
Read up on ACTA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement) guys. There's a reason you probably haven't heard of it, and the reason ain't good. Back door executive agreements that circumvent Congress and that are kept secret from the public generally aren't a good thing.

ACTA and these bills are designed to satisfy the media conglomerates...and could affect our EQEMU.

Before you guys poo-poo it, read about it. You might be surprised. If you don't think it's serious, I promise you you're wrong.

Just trying to get everyone aware here. No skin off my back if people don't listen.

:)

Thrynn
10-18-2010, 10:05 PM
90% of What the Federal Government does is unconstitutional, if not more. If people actually read the Constitution and understood it, people would be angry enough to do something about it.

Glaani
10-18-2010, 10:48 PM
90% of What the Federal Government does is unconstitutional, if not more. If people actually read the Constitution and understood it, people would be angry enough to do something about it.

Some examples, please?

Thrynn
10-19-2010, 01:13 AM
I'll make it easier for you:

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

These are the only powers Congress has. Anything else they do is by definition, unconstitutional.

Proof?

10th amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


Unconstitutional

Federal Reserve
All Federal Laws that apply to civilians NOT dealing with interstate commerce
BATF
Drug laws
Social Security #
Draft Card
Military Actions without Declaration of War
Removing Gold and Silver from the coinage
The New Deal
U.N. membership
FCC
Laws governing political ads or spending

The Federal Government has:

* violated our rights through confiscatory tax policy. They accomplish this by misusing their legislative powers in Article 1. Section 8. of the U.S. Constitution to legally plunder the wealth of our nation.

*used hard-earned taxpayer money to bail-out private companies saddling future generations with a debt they cannot pay.

*committed future generations to over $100 Trillion Dollars of entitlement obligations that cannot be paid.

*seized authority from the states and the people and outright bribed the states at the expense of the peoples liberty.

*hindered its citizens’ right to bear arms and make their own decisions around protecting themselves and their families from all forms of infringement of their security.

*ceased to recognize that our rights come only from our Creator, not from the Government which we constituted to serve a limited purpose.

*confiscated property of citizens to hand it over to Corporations and municipalities for unjust purposes.

*promoted burdensome regulations that reduce the ability of the average American to earn a living.

*unlawfully and unjustly disassociated the monetary system from anything of real value.

*diluted the strength & meaning of Our Constitution by passing thousands of obscure and complicated pieces of legislation; thus effectively abolishing Our Most Valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the form of Our Government from the wise Designs of the Original Architects of the Government of the United States

*created a Multitude of new government agencies, commissions and departments and sent hither swarms of bureaucrats to Harass Us and TAX OUT OUR SUBSTANCE (using direct, indirect, regressive, progressive, income, excise, fuel, toll, property, inflation, marriage, etc.)

*They have – by using Socio-Economically Divisive Rhetoric, Simplistic and Vague Campaign Slogans and Speeches, Confusing & Equally Meaningless Statistics and by placing party politics and political gamesmanship ABOVE Our Nation’s True Current and Future Needs – incited the development of Factional Divisiveness with Our Society;

*need moar bro?

Nikon
10-19-2010, 01:52 AM
90% of What the Federal Government does is unconstitutional, if not more. If people actually read the Constitution and understood it, people would be angry enough to do something about it.

I don't know about the validity of that percentage, but anyone that doesn't work for the Federal Government and legally doesn't pay income taxes can attest to fact that a lot of the Fed's actions are questionable as far as legality. Little is done because as an American, it is each individual's legal responsibility to keep themselves informed. The the justice system assumes you're informed, and if you don't raise a voice to what they are doing, then they will most likely do it. The trick is that its incredibly difficult to stay "informed" and active while living an average working-class lifestyle. In the end people either don't know or they just don't care.

Thrynn
10-19-2010, 01:58 AM
I don't know about the validity of that percentage, but anyone that doesn't work for the Federal Government and legally doesn't pay income taxes can attest to fact that a lot of the Fed's actions are questionable as far as legality. Little is done because as an American, it is each individual's legal responsibility to keep themselves informed. The the justice system assumes you're informed, and if you don't raise a voice to what they are doing, then they will most likely do it. The trick is that its incredibly difficult to stay "informed" and active while living an average working-class lifestyle. In the end people either don't know or they just don't care.

The purpose of the Federal Government is outlined in the Constitution. It clearly was never meant to be the all encompassing tyrant that it is today. How is the average joe supposed to "stay informed" when even the house of representatives aren't allowed to read 2,000 page laws until after they are passed?

Nikon
10-19-2010, 02:11 AM
How is the average joe supposed to "stay informed" when even the house of representatives aren't allowed to read 2,000 page laws until after they are passed?

I see you understand my point. Ever look at the length of the Tax Code?

Nedala
10-19-2010, 11:35 AM
Just want to say the censorship in american TV is so fucking ridiculous! No tits in public tv...WTF?

And they also censoring bad words...just sad.

Messianic
10-21-2010, 09:45 AM
Just want to say the censorship in american TV is so fucking ridiculous! No tits in public tv...WTF?

And they also censoring bad words...just sad.

We may censor bad words or tits, but at least we don't censor political speech. You decide which is worse.

That's something I can't say with absolute certainty of European nations and definitely can't say of Asia.