Time to put our B.S. aside and make the server better

[lite]

If you are one of the people on this list, or have an AoN and I failed to list you, Please either PM me or make a reply here stating your views on AoN.

I have gotten a response from Nilbog that he will read our concerns. I think if we can properly present our case and show we're willing to put bullshit aside in order to achieve a common goal. It can set precedent for the staff being willing to listen to our concerns. Not just dismiss us based on our awful forumquesting.

Gongshow < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png ,http://puu.sh/i1pgh/b527d022e9.png
Aviato < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png
Twainz < Empire >
Letsjoe < Empire >
Kammbo < Empire >
Colgate < Empire >
Chiggen < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0yrI/8b213e35f1.jpg
Gaping < Empire >
Grimmtoad < Empire >
Chuckslaw < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0QjR/b11e7e5e28.png
Datboom < Empire >
Helenkeller < Empire >
Hectorchrist < Empire >
Samuel < Empire >
Rabid < Empire >
Gyno < Empire > Voted to keep plates http://puu.sh/i1ru5/5752c2d2cd.jpg
Vetro < Empire >
Barcode < Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1o40/1489cad5ea.png
Chun <Good guys>
Lite <Good guys> ( Petition Starter ) Would like to see Name plates Added
Deluxee <Good guys>
Beastagor <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1psv/bcb8190cee.png
Willy <Good guys>
Roberto <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1rTG/2f322276bf.png
Karatay <Good guys>
Adrian <Good guys>
Krakin <Good guys>
Krazy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1r9A/ad61ced594.png

What PVP w/o Name plates looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfwuj2xAxYk
Sirken Video of Mass PVP w/ AoN
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169171&highlight=nameplates

Very good point worth noting.
It is so dumb not to add nameplates to AON. It was just one of those fixes that fell after the semi arbitrary point the staff has chosen to freeze the server at.

Skeleton models getting nameplates was added 35 days after the timeline stops (1/8/2002 patch, Luclin release was 12/4/2001).

[dontbanpls]

Why would Nilbog change mechanics for the guy who teaches everyone how to box using VPN/VMware?

[MEGANS LAW]

Gyno here.

Vote no. You want custom changes to suit your own interests when classic mechanics such as item recharging and pvp clickies are unaddressed.

No.

[lite]

Why would Nilbog change mechanics for the guy who teaches everyone how to box using VPN/VMware?

has nothing to do with me.

I messaged Nilbog that the Red server needed his help, and he said he was willing to listen.

[dontbanpls]

It has everything to do with you. You're a fucking scum bag if it bothers you so much just fuck off and grow a pair like me.

[MEGANS LAW]

has nothing to do with me.

I messaged Nilbog that the Red server needed his help, and he said he was willing to listen.

Nothing to do with you yet you're the one whose made how many threads about this subject?

Sorry dipshit, everybody sees through your shit.

[HippoNipple]

Why does your new signature still say Azrael even though you were in Good Guys when you made the new signature?

[FAPhoenix]

^ Then continue to forum quest to show how much a pair you grew.

[lite]

Gyno here.

Vote no. You want custom changes to suit your own interests when classic mechanics such as item recharging and pvp clickies are unaddressed.

No.

I removed you from ignore to get your input. Placing you down as a no.

[krazyGlue]

Reported max for trolling in pvp server chat

[dontbanpls]

^ Then continue to forum quest to show how much a pair you grew.

Do you see me online putting aside my personal shit in lust for pixels cus I'm a beta male that won't stand up for what I believe in? Naw but I see some loud mouthed maggot who never did shit for the server, on the forum talking shit on someone else for being on the forum.

[Slathar]

AONs need name plates. I voted yes.

[lite]

It has everything to do with you. You're a fucking scum bag if it bothers you so much just fuck off and grow a pair like me.

Has to do with everyone that wants this change and a better red server. I am simply the organizer.

[lite]

AONs need name plates. I voted yes.

Added you, Roberto

[LoliPops]

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/pig-laughing.gif

[dontbanpls]

Has to do with everyone that wants this change and a better red server. I am simply the organizer.

Including two boxing? Can we also remove penalties for stripping accounts for other people or are you the only one who should be able to get away with that ?

[Qtip]

Including two boxing? Can we also remove penalties for stripping accounts for other people or are you the only one who should be able to get away with that ?

LOL

[Nirgon]

voted no for classic, ez1

[lite]

voted no for classic, ez1

Do you have an AoN?

Not a troll, will put you up as a no if so.

[MEGANS LAW]

Do you have an AoN?

Not a troll, will put you up as a no if so.

he's not a member of the chickenbone elite.

[Crazycloud]

I only vote yes if recharging for items like locket/strings get put in.

Pretty stupid most of ur guild shit talked recharging for items to troll gms then want aon names in.

[Samsung]

I only vote yes if recharging for items like locket/strings get put in.

Pretty stupid most of ur guild shit talked recharging for items to troll gms then want aon names in.

I could live with this if it brings both our guilds together on this issue.

[LoliPops]

#notclassic

[lite]

I only vote yes if recharging for items like locket/strings get put in.

Pretty stupid most of ur guild shit talked recharging for items to troll gms then want aon names in.

Both parties have trolled one another regardless of what they actually desired. I think the reason for that is because we have wrongly accepted that nothing will ever change anyways, so we might as well fuck with one another. This thread is with the intention of putting our bullshit aside and discontinuing that trend.

I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think it is worth taking hostage this movement for something we all believe in.

Being able to present a clean case to the staff would be the first step in many other propositions to come, and it would make everyone realize how detrimental their trolling is.

PNP/Spawns/Recharging are things party leaders could bring up for discussion after this, and we'd have a format of properly presenting it to the staff.

I have no problem with signing up for something that is presented intelligently. Recharging...spawns..pnp.. classic... not classic, whatever.

As it has been said many times, I wasn't there to experience item recharging on a PVP server, ect. If you can bring forward a good proposal, not only will you have my yes vote, but I will make sure to aggressively present the good idea to my people.

I want this to set the stage and show the staff that red is capable of not being retarded and doing what's in its best interest despite party lines.

[chrystianvz]

Add name plates. Allow item recharges.

I had a number of golem wands and egg shaped pumice on Vallon. Pure melee are shit on trying to cast a pumice on someone with any clickies at all.

[LoliPops]

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/4/8/0/creepy-pooh-bear-is-creepy-30109-1270700415-0.jpg

[MEGANS LAW]

Both parties have trolled one another regardless of what they actually desired. I think the reason for that is because we have wrongly accepted that nothing will ever change anyways, so we might as well fuck with one another. This thread is with the intention of putting our bullshit aside and discontinuing that trend.

I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think it is worth taking hostage this negotiation.

Being able to present a clean case to the staff would be the first step in many other propositions to come, and it would make everyone realize how detrimental their trolling is.

PNP/Spawns/Recharging are things party leaders could bring up for discussion after this, and we'd have a format of properly presenting it to the staff.

I have no problem with signing up for something that is presented intelligently. Recharging...spawns..pnp.. classic... not classic, whatever.

I want this to set the stage and show the staff that red is capable of not being retarded and doing what's in its best interest despite party lines.

Translation: Please don't derail my petition to get custom content put in prior to Velious with your calls for classic mechanic fixes.

Jesus christ, you're so fucking transparent.

[Twainz]

Vote no to nameplates. But if for some reason they are going to get changed please let me know 1 month ahead of time to sell it.

[Rekrul]

if you have rogean's ear tell him how fucking dumb not being able to use ooc for ooc.

Also, max, stfu you bitter nonfactor pussy who was too scared of losing leadership of your guild so you disbanned it. You are a whiney beta bitch.

[lite]

Vote no to nameplates. But if for some reason they are going to get changed please let me know 1 month ahead of time to sell it.


would you care to elaborate on why?

Putting you down as a no.

[Deluxeee]

As an AON holder and also the number 1 60 pvper on box, I believe that an AON nameplate should be added.

Peace and love,

Delly

[LoliPops]

http://new2.fjcdn.com/comments/5359087+_e701cc39b909ac192a620690afb580e6.jpg

[lite]

Gongshow < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png ,http://puu.sh/i1pgh/b527d022e9.png
Aviato < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png
Twainz < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1tL7/12a8baf5ae.png NO VOTE
Letsjoe < Empire >
Kammbo < Empire >
Colgate < Empire >
Chiggen < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0yrI/8b213e35f1.jpg
Gaping < Empire >
Grimmtoad < Empire >
Chuckslaw < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0QjR/b11e7e5e28.png
Datboom < Empire >
Helenkeller < Empire >
Hectorchrist < Empire >
Samuel < Empire >
Rabid < Empire >
Gyno < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1ru5/5752c2d2cd.jpg NO VOTE
Vetro < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1u7s/a681cea724.png
Barcode < Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1o40/1489cad5ea.png
Chun <Good guys>
Lite <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1uiJ/567a25003d.png petition starter
Deluxee <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1u0N/87d275bf5a.png
Beastagor <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1psv/bcb8190cee.png
Willy <Good guys>
Roberto <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1rTG/2f322276bf.png
Karatay <Good guys>
Adrian <Good guys>
Krakin <Good guys>
Krazy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1r9A/ad61ced594.png

[LoliPops]

http://cdn.pigeonsandplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/crazy-pig-gif.gif

[Twainz]

AON is the best item in the game for reason. If I can't be stealthy what's the point. It basically changes your aon into a Gobby earring.

[lite]

AON is the best item in the game for reason. If I can't be stealthy what's the point. It basically changes your aon into a Gobby earring.

Understandable point, however I think you're not considering how it's still extremely valuable regardless.

It will still be in the illusion line, aka stack with all other clickies helping you achieve that magical 4 clicky that most go for.

It will still be a super exclussive and rare item that takes raid forces worth of contesting to acquire. 2-3 years of Kunark and less than 30 ...

It still turns you into a skeleton. It's not the same level of stealth, but it will still help you be a lot less noticeable. JUST NOT BROKEN mode unnoticeable.

I don't think it loses it's prestige. It just stops being broken.

[LoliPops]

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/laughing-pig.jpg

[MEGANS LAW]

Understandable point, however I think you're not considering how it's still extremely valuable regardless.

It will still be in the illusion line, aka stack with all other clickies helping you achieve that magical 4 clicky that most go for.

It will still be a super exclussive and rare item that takes raid forces worth of contesting to acquire. 2-3 years of Kunark and less than 30 ...

It still turns you into a skeleton. It's not the same level of stealth, but it will still help you be a lot less noticeable. JUST NOT BROKEN mode unnoticeable.

I don't think it loses it's prestige. It just stops being broken.

there's probably another 25-30 on nihilum characters that dont play since nihilum disbanded. this is just a fraction of people who own aons.

[dontbanpls]

Nilbog if ur reading this please stop responding to people who played everquest for the first time on red 99(Lite) about what should or shouldn't be on the servers. Thx so much have a great day

[LoliPops]

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff270/kadiprescott/3360843_thumbnail.jpg

[Husalah]

voted no for classic, ez1

eqpvp.com has AoN nameplates, target rings, and mega fast exp, with multi boxing allowed.

Go over there and try it out

report back on how successful a box is that caters to peoples non classic requests

also, speaking of non classic requests, look at how badly most of the red99 non classic changes have turned out to be

Nilbog if ur reading this please stop responding to people who played everquest for the first time on red 99(Lite) about what should or shouldn't be on the servers. Thx so much have a great day

[Tassador]

Welcome back Lite from retirement!!!!!

[HippoNipple]

Lite ruined a couple guilds, became a leader of Good Guys, quit because he couldn't make up fake DKP, and is now PMing everyone and taking screenshots of the conversation to try to make an item worse in a video game.

In other news:

"Federal appeals court deals blow to President Obama’s amnesty"

http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2014/06/26/3818245306_f3a67c7a95_o_c0-0-3500-2040_s561x327.jpg?8fc91fb4fab460ba5bc5020e794dcd1b cf960f8e

Obama tried his best to get Lite a job but it doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon, so it is likely this shit will continue.

[krazyGlue]

Please don't troll this thread my finger is on the petition trigger

[Slathar]

Lite ruined a couple guilds, became a leader of Good Guys, quit because he couldn't make up fake DKP, and is now PMing everyone and taking screenshots of the conversation to try to make an item worse in a video game.

In other news:

"Federal appeals court deals blow to President Obama’s amnesty"

http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2014/06/26/3818245306_f3a67c7a95_o_c0-0-3500-2040_s561x327.jpg?8fc91fb4fab460ba5bc5020e794dcd1b cf960f8e

Obama tried his best to get Lite a job but it doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon, so it is likely this shit will continue.

reported

[HippoNipple]

reported

That isn't cool or normal maggot.

[Guido]

voted no name

the huge skelly battle looked awesome in a video

any kind of target you want to obtain is quite easy: /target macro or target nearest pc

sure it can be confusing but this game is old school lets keep it that way - its not meant to be a walk in the park

[iruinedyourday]

this is worse than when i was hyperventalating becuse Clark was socking tranix for so long.

Didnt lite quit? you are bad at quitting.

[iruinedyourday]

voted no name

the huge skelly battle looked awesome in a video

any kind of target you want to obtain is quite easy: /target macro or target nearest pc

sure it can be confusing but this game is old school lets keep it that way - its not meant to be a walk in the park

truth

[Salaryman]

Don't care about target rings or name plates.

I created my erudite paladin because i always wanted to be black in real life,
but to have the best pvp advantage I gotta turn my tall,
slender and beautiful erudite into a lame skeleton, and fight with all the other skeletons.

The unique races and how they look is a major part of this games charm.
No more fat trolls, silly elves, sexy erudites running around just skeletons,
if i knew that's what pvp would be like I wouldnt have joined the game.

But now i'm addicted and I can't stop.

[lite]

Don't care about target rings or name plates.

I created my erudite paladin because i always wanted to be black in real life,
but to have the best pvp advantage I gotta turn my tall,
slender and beautiful erudite into a lame skeleton, and fight with all the other skeletons.

The unique races and how they look is a major part of this games charm.
No more fat trolls, silly elves, sexy erudites running around just skeletons,
if i knew that's what pvp would be like I wouldnt have joined the game.

But now i'm addicted and I can't stop.

great post, you sick bastard,

still mad love.

[OfftuneRZ]

I agree, AoNs and all skele illusions need name plates.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

I posted this in another thread but I personally don't see how this change would be a bad thing, while it is unclassic, so is the fact that we can't recharge items through vendors, certain clickies ( trak tooth and Golem wand to name a couple) were nerfed to enhance or balance pvp more. I don't see how adding nameplates to skelly form is any different. As a holder of an AoN, I vote yes, I am for adding nameplates

[lite]

I agree, AoNs and all skele illusions need name plates.

Please clarify if you are an AoN owner.

Regardless, your input is appreciated.

[Twainz]

Love being guilded with best Epiced Paladin of Prexus.

[iruinedyourday]

Don't care about target rings or name plates.

I created my erudite paladin because i always wanted to be black in real life,
but to have the best pvp advantage I gotta turn my tall,
slender and beautiful erudite into a lame skeleton, and fight with all the other skeletons.

The unique races and how they look is a major part of this games charm.
No more fat trolls, silly elves, sexy erudites running around just skeletons,
if i knew that's what pvp would be like I wouldnt have joined the game.

But now i'm addicted and I can't stop.

dude, thats part of the magic of EQ... undead army.. just RP.

for every one of the people who feel the same way as you do.. i feel exactly the opposite.

the charm of a skeleton army is greater than anything else.

this game is about getting wierd loot and end game changing into a magical crazy fest..

to nerf it for any reason is stupid.

and for the people that are crying that its somehow unfair that X people hand thier aons around to X people on one side of the army, just fucking quit crying and get your own AON and play

[lite]

Gongshow < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png ,http://puu.sh/i1pgh/b527d022e9.png
Aviato < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png
Twainz < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1tL7/12a8baf5ae.png NO VOTE
Letsjoe < Empire >
Kammbo < Empire >
Colgate < Empire >
Chiggen < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0yrI/8b213e35f1.jpg
Gaping < Empire >
Grimmtoad < Empire >
Chuckslaw < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0QjR/b11e7e5e28.png
Datboom < Empire >
Helenkeller < Empire >
Hectorchrist < Empire >
Samuel < Empire >
Rabid < Empire >
Gyno < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1ru5/5752c2d2cd.jpg NO VOTE
Vetro < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1u7s/a681cea724.png
Barcode < Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1o40/1489cad5ea.png
Chun <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1xKY/c852198208.png
Lite <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1uiJ/567a25003d.png petition starter
Deluxee <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1u0N/87d275bf5a.png
Beastagor <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1psv/bcb8190cee.png
Willy <Good guys>
Roberto <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1rTG/2f322276bf.png
Karatay <Good guys>
Adrian <Good guys>
Krakin <Good guys>
Krazy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1r9A/ad61ced594.png

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[Humerox]

Non-AoN holder but my pals would loan me one for PvP. This is part of the problem...many more people have access to the AoN than are actual holders.

Not being able to recognize who you're attacking in PvP is ludicrous when everyone and their brother is AoN'd. It's way out of hand.

[OfftuneRZ]

I agree, AoNs and all skele illusions need name plates. I play an enchanter and can use Skeleton illusion but I do not own an AoN.

[Zalaerian]

As an enchanter who spends more time as a skeleton than high elf, voted yes to nameplates

[Slathar]

As an enchanter who spends more time as a skeleton than high elf, voted yes to nameplates

pras it

[lite]

As an enchanter who spends more time as a skeleton than high elf, voted yes to nameplates

Great point, chanters should def have a say in this.

[Colgate]

voting no

AoN having no nameplates is both very classic and a very needed boon for casters in an environment that is already dominated by melees

enchanters and necros rely on skeleton illusion as one of their best defensive tools

the issue you have with skeleton illusion is almost entirely because the server has been farmed for way longer than it should have

[dontbanpls]

Why didn't this thread happen after the AON fight in seb nihilum vs azrael?

[Humerox]

True...but maybe it could be no-drop. Yeah?

[Slathar]

lets make this a poll for a wipe instead


voted yes

[Tradesonred]

What does it matter if you have an AON or not? Can it not be discussed without trying to make it look like only the "elite" opinion matters? How about debating the pros and cons instead of have this meaningless, self-important vote?

This is not a good way to go about this, and why i hated playing with lite leading

[lite]

voting no

AoN having no nameplates is both very classic and a very needed boon for casters in an environment that is already dominated by melees

enchanters and necros rely on skeleton illusion as one of their best defensive tools

the issue you have with skeleton illusion is almost entirely because the server has been farmed for way longer than it should have


As you know, Colgate I play enchanter A LOT. I'd go as far as to say that I was Azrael's most active enchanter on Darkside. I share Ksah's sentiment that this isn't something we absolutely need. Also Necros get Yonder and 2 DA's.

I think you should speak to a few other casters and potentially reconsider your position.

Regardless, I will properly present your No vote.

http://puu.sh/i1ylT/894b04e938.png

[Vile]

lets make this a poll for a wipe instead


voted yes

yes to this and nameplates!

[lite]

What does it matter if you have an AON or not? Can it not be discussed without trying to make it look like only the "elite" opinion matters? How about debating the pros and cons instead of have this meaningless, self-important vote?

This is not a good way to go about this, and why i hated playing with lite leading

that is not my objective, it is to properly structure the opinion to the GM's from the point of view of those that have the most to lose.

[Uuruk]

While we are at it can you make mage pets resists scale with owner. I know it's not classic but hey if this retard can ask for aon to be changed why not.

[Guido]

while we are it

lets fix mage pets being owned by charm

not sure if classic, but gay as fuck

[lite]

the issue you have with skeleton illusion is almost entirely because the server has been farmed for way longer than it should have

Also.. not sure there is a person on the box that will sensibly agree that AoNs shouldn't be name plated. Though they are class how they are.. the abundance of them are completely non classic.

Mornin made a good point in regards to this.

[Uuruk]

while we are it

lets fix mage pets being owned by charm

not sure if classic, but gay as fuck

[Zalaerian]

From an enchanters pov:

The combination of skel + shrink and good positioning is all you have for survivabilty. You don't have shadow step you don't have DAs. Once someone is training you down, there is little you can do except pull them away and sit them down w a rapture and get lost in the mass again. Your defense is not being seen.

That being said an army of skeletons is one of the most unimerssive things about mass pvp on this server

[beta]

while we are it

lets fix mage pets being owned by charm

not sure if classic, but gay as fuck

[lite]

From an enchanters pov:

The combination of skel + shrink and good positioning is all you have for survivabilty. You don't have shadow step you don't have DAs. Once someone is training you down, there is little you can do except pull them away and sit them down w a rapture and get lost in the mass again. Your defense is not being seen.

That being said an army of skeletons is one of the most unimerssive things about mass pvp on this server

I will add to this. Because of the fact that an Enchanter doesn't achieve it's effectiveness through damage and we have a limited mana pool, how effective we are doesn't derive from being in the battle field at all times, but instead we can selectively enter and still be ridiculously effective.

It's a naturally evasive playstyle.

With that being said, necros still have skel illusion x 2 DA's and Yonder, drains and taps.

[shimonuh]

Shadow Knights get skelly form from shroud of undeath in velious

vote yes

[Ezalor]

im sorry u got fired from rentacenter

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[Bokke]

The excuse of not turning on nameplates 'because the server is classic' is bullshit and everyone one of you claiming that knows it.

Just because we have the same zones doesn't make this server anything like classic.

Just to name a few things:
- The number of AoNs is not classic.
- The hit chance of melee is not classic.
- Spell resists are not classic.
- Spell mechanics are not classic
- The population is not classic.
- The knowledge of the game is not classic.
- The cast time on gate / potions is not classic.
- The sheer wealth and gear level of people is not classic.

It is simply impossible to emulate an entirely classic experience for such an old game that psychopaths like you people spend so much time playing. Especially on a server that has been stuck in Kunark for so many years now.

Given this, the staff has rightfully made non-classic adjustments to the server to make the experience playing here better in the hopes of at least emulating the fun aspects of classic EQ.

I see no reason why AoN would be any different. edit: especially just to add nameplates - something that EQ eventually did.

[lite]

http://puu.sh/i1AaN/cf153fa8a7.png

http://puu.sh/i1Afa/b7af08d3b7.jpg

[Zalaerian]

Shadow Knights get skelly form from shroud of undeath in velious

vote yes

Not till late but yelinak sword will due until then

[Quiet]

Who won the Empire poll for Lite's return? Who had 3 days?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

As an enchanter who spends more time as a skeleton than erudite, voted yes to nameplates

[Vile]

nameplates good, aon still cool

[Sirban]

Didnt know you can charm mage pets! Muwahaha thanks pal.

Also, I spent most of my time in skelly form. No name plate is something we all have do deal with and adapt to.

[LoliPops]

http://image.cdn.ispot.tv/ad/7tom/rent-a-center-checking-me-out-large-4.jpg

[bloodletter]

I don't have an AON but from the sounds of this thread and the thread regarding an alleged RMT-AON situation i'd say just make them no drop.... two birds, one stone... of course noone WITH an AON will want that...

[Hitmonlee]

Adding nameplates makes sense. Alas, too many idiots hate him for the vote to pass just because it's him.

[Slathar]

I have an AoN and I support this change.

[XiakenjaTZ]

If the RMT is real (and I think it is) no drop makes sense. Funny how people bail out when they get that AoN. They should rename it neckless of retirement.

I would be for both changes but nameplate at a minimum.

[iruinedyourday]

I don't have an AON but from the sounds of this thread and the thread regarding an alleged RMT-AON situation i'd say just make them no drop.... two birds, one stone... of course noone WITH an AON will want that...



pretty sure if there are this many Aons on the server, rmt isnt a major problem becuse of aons...

[dontbanpls]

These guys are just creating RMT claims out of thin air to support their argument because when in doubt throw the server under the bus.

[krazyGlue]

I have an AoN and I support this change.

[bloodletter]

These guys are just creating RMT claims out of thin air to support their argument because when in doubt throw the server under the bus.

Lookin back over Lite's post about the AON-RMT no one argued he was wrong in the first 5 pages... One guy said $500 is too much for an AON... I'm not gonna re-read past 5 pages, every post on here gets derailed by page 5 anyway.

Not a single person said it's not a problem, and I'd guess that's because the people who could say it is a problem would be implicating themselves...

[Syft-X]

The fact that AON nameplates aren't classic is a ridiculous argument, because the amount of people running around AON'd isn't classic. So in this case a custom rule would actually bring about a more Classic environment.

As a Necro I vote Yes

It's also pretty shameless using this debate to try and get Locket's of Escape un-nerfed because what you guys plan to do with them is anything but classic.

These guys are just creating RMT claims out of thin air to support their argument because when in doubt throw the server under the bus.

I hope your kidding there is no way you could be so clueless as to not know AON's are the most RMT'd item, you ever seen one sold for plat, I haven't.

[dontbanpls]

I guess RMT for aons that no one knows about is probably a much bigger issue than the RMT lite does for PD robes and shit that everyone knows about?

[bloodletter]

Which actually makes me ask...

Lite why are you only interested in the opinions of the alleged $500 AON-RMT ring people's vote on how their $500 AONs should work?

[Bokke]

The fact that AON nameplates aren't classic is a ridiculous argument, because the amount of people running around AON'd isn't classic.

[lite]

Which actually makes me ask...

Lite why are you only interested in the opinions of the alleged $500 AON-RMT ring people's vote on how their $500 AONs should work?

many patriotic pvp'rs

[VZ_Xanit K'ven]

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/laughing-pig.jpg

Will this Lolipop guy keep posting pigs?

This is not rant and flames

Take your input somewhere else

[Yargage]

Anyone who played on a zek server would understand the reason why AoN should remain the way it is.

It is the best item in the game for a reason.

Skeleton Illusion is one of the only defenses casters have vs overpowered melee.

Other guilds on the zek servers found ways to deal with everyone being a skelly in 100 vs 100 pvp battles.

I've just been lurking these forums since I have joined this server, all I see Lite do is bitch about everything like a little kid who sucks at monopoly so he just makes up new rules or cries.

[Saludeen]

I don't see why people reject the idea of adding nameplates. Nameplates are a part of the game and it makes no sense to have an illusion that removes them. I support making it no drop too, but maybe that's going too far. namesplates would be good enough without affecting any "classic feel". Its not like their adding a target ring, which i'm against.

[Slathar]

Anyone who played on a zek server would understand the reason why AoN should remain the way it is.

It is the best item in the game for a reason.

Skeleton Illusion is one of the only defenses casters have vs overpowered melee.

Other guilds on the zek servers found ways to deal with everyone being a skelly in 100 vs 100 pvp battles.

I've just been lurking these forums since I have joined this server, all I see Lite do is bitch about everything like a little kid who sucks at monopoly so he just makes up new rules or cries.


this never happened on live

argument invalidated.

[VZ_Xanit K'ven]

Anyone who played on a zek server would understand the reason why AoN should remain the way it is.

It is the best item in the game for a reason.

Skeleton Illusion is one of the only defenses casters have vs overpowered melee.

Other guilds on the zek servers found ways to deal with everyone being a skelly in 100 vs 100 pvp battles.

I've just been lurking these forums since I have joined this server, all I see Lite do is bitch about everything like a little kid who sucks at monopoly so he just makes up new rules or cries.

Astroturfing much ?

[Syft-X]

Anyone who played on a zek server would understand the reason why AoN should remain the way it is.

It is the best item in the game for a reason.

Skeleton Illusion is one of the only defenses casters have vs overpowered melee.

Other guilds on the zek servers found ways to deal with everyone being a skelly in 100 vs 100 pvp battles.

I've just been lurking these forums since I have joined this server, all I see Lite do is bitch about everything like a little kid who sucks at monopoly so he just makes up new rules or cries.

I played classic I never saw an army of skeletons, not once.

[Kringe]

Anyone who played on a zek server would understand the reason why AoN should remain the way it is.

It is the best item in the game for a reason.

Skeleton Illusion is one of the only defenses casters have vs overpowered melee.

Other guilds on the zek servers found ways to deal with everyone being a skelly in 100 vs 100 pvp battles.

I've just been lurking these forums since I have joined this server, all I see Lite do is bitch about everything like a little kid who sucks at monopoly so he just makes up new rules or cries.


Wtf is this guy even talking about lol..

[Yargage]

On Vallon Zek it happened several times. It was during PoP so there were target rings, but AoN hide nameplates which stopped people from telling what team they were on.

A bunch of people from my guild including myself took all our plat and transfered to the legend server (Stormhammer?) and bought a bunch of AoNs and shield of the immaculates and transfered them back to VZ.

Hiding your nameplate on a teams server was a big deal.

[Slathar]

On Vallon Zek it happened several times. It was during PoP so there were target rings, but AoN hide nameplates which stopped people from telling what team they were on.

A bunch of people from my guild including myself took all our plat and transfered to the legend server (Stormhammer?) and bought a bunch of AoNs and shield of the immaculates and transfered them back to VZ.

Hiding your nameplate on a teams server was a big deal.

prove it with screenshots then. ill wait.

oh just read in PoP. get outta here trash can.

[SamwiseRed]

On Vallon Zek it happened several times. It was during PoP so there were target rings, but AoN hide nameplates which stopped people from telling what team they were on.

A bunch of people from my guild including myself took all our plat and transfered to the legend server (Stormhammer?) and bought a bunch of AoNs and shield of the immaculates and transfered them back to VZ.

Hiding your nameplate on a teams server was a big deal.

?

[iruinedyourday]

I don't have an AON but from the sounds of this thread and the thread regarding an alleged RMT-AON situation i'd say just make them no drop.... two birds, one stone... of course noone WITH an AON will want that...

I don't see why people reject the idea of adding nameplates. Nameplates are a part of the game and it makes no sense to have an illusion that removes them. I support making it no drop too, but maybe that's going too far. namesplates would be good enough without affecting any "classic feel". Its not like their adding a target ring, which i'm against.

part of me wants pure classic pvp.. but part of me understands the need to change things to make pvp work a little better.

Would be tottally against the no drop change, that is way too far. If ever there was a concern that changing things to make pvp a little more balanced was a slippery slope.. no drop aons would be the result of slipping down that slope.

[Gloves]

Id love to see name plates, fights with 40+40 skelly's looks silly and the item itself is still priceless and powerful with them. I see no issue adding name plates.

[Syft-X]

part of me wants pure classic pvp.. but part of me understands the need to change things to make pvp work a little better.

Would be tottally against the no drop change, that is way too far. If ever there was a concern that changing things to make pvp a little more balanced was a slippery slope.. no drop aons would be the result of slipping down that slope.

We've already made custom changes to provide a more classic environment when people used known mechanics not widely used on classic to make this server unclassic.

That is exactly what AON is doing it's making a classic environment unclassic.

[FaithlessKR]

It's funny, Colgate tried to lure some of us back to the server last fall with a video of < Holocaust > vs < Azrael > in seb with a giant AoN battle with over 100 people. That alone kept me away from the server for an extra month at least.

If my vote counted I would say add nameplates, but meh.

[FaithlessKR]

Wtf is this guy even talking about lol..

No Idea Kringe....never saw giant skelly battles on Tallon before nameplates were added.

[Bokke]

Anyone who played on a zek server would understand the reason why AoN should remain the way it is.

It is the best item in the game for a reason.

Skeleton Illusion is one of the only defenses casters have vs overpowered melee.

Other guilds on the zek servers found ways to deal with everyone being a skelly in 100 vs 100 pvp battles.

I've just been lurking these forums since I have joined this server, all I see Lite do is bitch about everything like a little kid who sucks at monopoly so he just makes up new rules or cries.

This certainly never happened on Tallon Zek.

I do recall Pandemonium occasionally trading around their AoN's to turn everyone into a skelly. This was not a regular occurrence and most of the members didn't own one to re-apply mid fight. This may even have been after nameplates I dont remember.

If casters are having trouble surviving its because the melee hit mechanics on red are not classic.

[iruinedyourday]

We've already made custom changes to provide a more classic environment when people used known mechanics not widely used on classic to make this server unclassic.

That is exactly what AON is doing it's making a classic environment unclassic.

sorry no, you and I disagree.

1 large scale war of all skellies a week, is not worth changing the item to be no drop.

no drop aons is more of an unclassic change than the former.

also handing around Aons, to your army is wayyyyyyyyyyyy more for lols. than some game winning strategy. come on guys use common sense here instead of rustle.

[Slathar]

It's funny, Colgate tried to lure some of us back to the server last fall with a video of < Holocaust > vs < Azrael > in seb with a giant AoN battle with over 100 people. That alone kept me away from the server for an extra month at least.

If my vote counted I would say add nameplates, but meh.

complete out of context tldr post

MUST BE SALT

[Bokke]

It was during PoP .

PoP pvp != Classic pvp.

They aren't even comparable in the slightest.

[Kergan]

On Vallon Zek it happened several times. It was during PoP so there were target rings, but AoN hide nameplates which stopped people from telling what team they were on.

A bunch of people from my guild including myself took all our plat and transfered to the legend server (Stormhammer?) and bought a bunch of AoNs and shield of the immaculates and transfered them back to VZ.

Hiding your nameplate on a teams server was a big deal.

Nameplates were added to skeleton form in Luclin only 35 days into it and mentioned in the January 2002 patch notes.

Fyi Luclin was the xpac before PoP.


January 8, 2002 3:00 am
------------------------------

- A player character will always have a name over its head, even if
they are skeletons (unless /shownames is off), with the exception of
some rare cases when players are turned into certain NPCs

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2002-1.html

[Genedin]

That feeling when you are wearing a giant orange suit and your AoN buff gets pelled and 30 people jump on you even though you are a 5300 hp warrior while the AoN'd casters sit in the fray unharmed emptying their mana pools. Fair and Balanced.

[Qtip]

Anyone who played on a zek server would understand the reason why AoN should remain the way it is.

It is the best item in the game for a reason.

Skeleton Illusion is one of the only defenses casters have vs overpowered melee.

Other guilds on the zek servers found ways to deal with everyone being a skelly in 100 vs 100 pvp battles.

I've just been lurking these forums since I have joined this server, all I see Lite do is bitch about everything like a little kid who sucks at monopoly so he just makes up new rules or cries.

On tallon zek before velious release there was 1 aon and kam owned it. Give target rings and this isnt a problem.
As a person who plays an enchanter I vote yes for name plates.

[Yargage]

Nameplates were added to skeleton form in Luclin only 35 days into it and mentioned in the January 2002 patch notes.

Fyi Luclin was the xpac before PoP.



http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2002-1.html

Its been like 10+ years since I've played EQ on live and ya I remember now why they were useful on VZ. Thanks for correcting me.

It did change your nameplate to a default blue color I think which still hide which team you were on I believe.

Anyways sorry for speaking when I wasn't 100% accurate on what I recalled.

Gonna double check stuff before I comment again.

[Slathar]

Its been like 10+ years since I've played EQ on live and ya I remember now why they were useful on VZ. Thanks for correcting me.

It did change your nameplate to a default blue color I think which still hide which team you were on I believe.

Anyways sorry for speaking when I wasn't 100% accurate on what I recalled.

Gonna double check stuff before I comment again.

haha you were wrong and i was right. now go get your shine box.

[Syft-X]

sorry no, you and I disagree.

1 large scale war of all skellies a week, is not worth changing the item to be no drop.

no drop aons is more of an unclassic change than the former.

also handing around Aons, to your army is wayyyyyyyyyyyy more for lols. than some game winning strategy. come on guys use common sense here instead of rustle.

Your right Aon's have no strategic advantage in pvp whatsoever I guess thats why people pay 500+ for them. Are you trying to troll, or are you nutswinging, or are you really this stupid?

BTW unless you tell us all your toon no one will consider you anything but a nutswinging non factor here, and pass by your posts as the non-credible nonsense of a new Empire recruit.

[LoliPops]

http://i.imgur.com/KQJ4u90.png
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/668/201/af6.jpg

[Slathar]

Your right Aon's have no strategic advantage in pvp whatsoever I guess thats why people pay 500+ for them. Are you trying to troll, or are you nutswinging, or are you really this stupid?

BTW unless you tell us all your toon no one will consider you anything but a nutswinging non factor here, and pass by your posts as the non-credible nonsense of a new Empire recruit.

He plays Worship.

[Syft-X]

He plays Worship.

6746 Worship 1 62 0.02 0 0.04

THIS GUY?

LOL So disregard all posts, PvP non factor nutswinger, thx for info brah

[Humerox]

sorry no, you and I disagree.

1 large scale war of all skellies a week, is not worth changing the item to be no drop.

no drop aons is more of an unclassic change than the former.

also handing around Aons, to your army is wayyyyyyyyyyyy more for lols. than some game winning strategy. come on guys use common sense here instead of rustle.

I'm gonna be nice because I think you actually believe this. You're wrong.

[Slathar]

6746 Worship 1 62 0.02 0 0.04

THIS GUY?

LOL So disregard all posts, PvP non factor nutswinger, thx for info brah

yep thats him

[TacoSmasher]

OP and all of the other psycho tier FQers are a bunch of losers. ha! ha!

i hope aon continues to be unerfed so we can continue to rustle the fuck out of you nerds. i hope we aon our force at every opportunity.

Good guy FQers are embarassing. imo rest of server should boycott the forums so what little redeeming content there is ceases to exsist and we can watch this tear fueled circle jerk from the good guys leadership from a distance while we continue to get gains in game.

[Slathar]

OP and all of the other psycho tier FQers are a bunch of losers. ha! ha!

i hope aon continues to be unerfed so we can continue to rustle the fuck out of you nerds. i hope we aon our force at every opportunity.

Good guy FQers are embarassing. imo rest of server should boycott the forums so what little redeeming content there is ceases to exsist and we can watch this tear fueled circle jerk from the good guys leadership from a distance while we continue to get gains in game.

tldr


summary?

[iruinedyourday]

Your right Aon's have no strategic advantage in pvp whatsoever I guess thats why people pay 500+ for them. Are you trying to troll, or are you nutswinging, or are you really this stupid?

BTW unless you tell us all your toon no one will consider you anything but a nutswinging non factor here, and pass by your posts as the non-credible nonsense of a new Empire recruit.

everyuone who isnt a nutswinging non factor here knows all of my, characters ( onlly idiots that play wow call them toons, gtfo classic server )

and people pay 500 becuse 1 rare, 2 if u have one and you get pelled you click it back on 3 in mass pvp when its handed to you you dont get to re aply and block furhter pells

man every post you make it shows how little about this game you actaully know. you know like zero about EQ

zero.

[Humerox]

tldr


summary?

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/d/d1/4e_fire_giant.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081013205016

[Syft-X]

OP and all of the other psycho tier FQers are a bunch of losers. ha! ha!

i hope aon continues to be unerfed so we can continue to rustle the fuck out of you nerds. i hope we aon our force at every opportunity.

Good guy FQers are embarassing. imo rest of server should boycott the forums so what little redeeming content there is ceases to exsist and we can watch this tear fueled circle jerk from the good guys leadership from a distance while we continue to get gains in game.

You seem like a logical fellow with a normal temperament and concise mind. So it's odd that I need to point out the fact that most people asking for the reform are owners of AON's that only benefit from them being unchanged.

I myself play a necro so having AON's ingame only helps me in PvP it's just what isn't best for the server, I can assure no one is rustled besides yourself perhaps.

[Humerox]

everyuone who isnt a nutswinging non factor here knows all of my, characters ( onlly idiots that play wow call them toons, gtfo classic server )

and people pay 500 becuse 1 rare, 2 if u have one and you get pelled you click it back on 3 in mass pvp when its handed to you you dont get to re aply and block furhter pells

man every post you make it shows how little about this game you actaully know. you know like zero about EQ

zero.

We called them toons back in '99 bro. Who are you, anyway? Worship? Never seen that name in PvP

[Recycled Children]

We called them toons back in '99 bro. Who are you, anyway?

No you didn't. "Toon" is most definitely the product of WoW.

[iruinedyourday]

You seem like a logical fellow with a normal temperament and concise mind. So it's odd that I need to point out the fact that most people asking for the reform are owners of AON's that only benefit from them being unchanged.

I myself play a necro so having AON's ingame only helps me in PvP it's just what isn't best for the server, I can assure no one is rustled besides yourself perhaps.

its not whats best for the server, you're just hyperventilating right now.. its ok it happens... I know this because I have a temperament and concise mind.

[Slathar]

everyuone who isnt a nutswinging non factor here knows all of my, characters ( onlly idiots that play wow call them toons, gtfo classic server )

and people pay 500 becuse 1 rare, 2 if u have one and you get pelled you click it back on 3 in mass pvp when its handed to you you dont get to re aply and block furhter pells

man every post you make it shows how little about this game you actaully know. you know like zero about EQ

zero.

you play Worship the 1-64 shaman

[Syft-X]

We called them toons back in '99 bro. Who are you, anyway? Worship? Never seen that name in PvP

He has 62 deaths and 1 kill, and is saying he knows how to play the game, I would advise total disregard. Retards often talk a lot but they can't force us to listen.

[Humerox]

No you didn't. "Toon" is most definitely the product of WoW.

Um...yeah I did. It wasn't well-known at the time but I always referred to my characters as toons.

[iruinedyourday]

We called them toons back in '99 bro. Who are you, anyway? Worship? Never seen that name in PvP

this guy i went to college with started playing like right when I quit to go back to school.. that was after vellious launched. he said, 'i made this toon' and i almost punched him in the face right there.. never heard the word before, hated it then, hated him cus of it, hate all that use it now for same reasons.

...temperament and concise mind.

[Humerox]

this guy i went to college with started playing like right when I quit to go back to school.. that was after vellious launched. he said, 'i made this toon' and i almost punched him in the face right there.. never heard the word before, hated it then, hated him cus of it, hate all that use it now for same reasons.

...temperament and concise mind.

You win. Don't mace me, bro.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZ0_Xm6KPYVl1FqN0Ly8FhoPzTogr8A 3L3CGyUQZ4CAPozXDuw4MwnaHGu

[iruinedyourday]

You win. Don't mace me, bro.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZ0_Xm6KPYVl1FqN0Ly8FhoPzTogr8A 3L3CGyUQZ4CAPozXDuw4MwnaHGu

hehe pras my pal

[R Flair]

Should at least add nameplate of a targeted player. Then you can still keep the stealth factor or whatever, but you can better see who you are trying to attack amidst 100 other skeletons.

[iruinedyourday]

rest assured, name plates, or about 6 days of waiting for people to just forget they care about this right now.. are the only way were going to get people to stop posting about it.

[Syft-X]

Nameplates and No drop AON's would be best for the server. And best promote a classic environment for pvp.

[TacoSmasher]

sounds not classic. sounds like the loud minority of players calling for non classic change for their own benefit. pathetic.


long live no name plates and droppable aons for 10000 years

[TacoSmasher]

i remember when fell couldnt out damage the sustain of my enc and friends druid both in rags while he ran around OT deleveled in range of lvl 35s with a oor 50+ pocket heals.

garbage tier pvper, ultimate fq babby.

double post rustled.

[lite]

Gongshow < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png ,http://puu.sh/i1pgh/b527d022e9.png
Aviato < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png
Twainz < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1tL7/12a8baf5ae.png NO VOTE
Letsjoe < Empire >
Kammbo < Empire >
Colgate < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1yKa/f98be801cc.png
Chiggen < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0yrI/8b213e35f1.jpg
Gaping < Empire >
Grimmtoad < Empire >
Chuckslaw < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0QjR/b11e7e5e28.png
Datboom < Empire >
Helenkeller < Empire >
Hectorchrist < Empire >
Samuel < Empire >
Rabid < Empire >
Pyrokinetic < Empire >
Waspnado < Empire >
Gyno < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1ru5/5752c2d2cd.jpg NO VOTE
Vetro < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1u7s/a681cea724.png
Barcode < Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1o40/1489cad5ea.png
Chun <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1xKY/c852198208.png
Lite <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1uiJ/567a25003d.png petition starter
Deluxee <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1u0N/87d275bf5a.png
Beastagor <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1psv/bcb8190cee.png
Willy <Good guys>
Roberto <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1rTG/2f322276bf.png
Karatay <Good guys>
Adrian <Good guys>
Krakin <Good guys>
Krazy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1r9A/ad61ced594.png

Enchanters who would gain name plate as well from Skeleton illusion.
http://puu.sh/i1ylT/894b04e938.png
http://puu.sh/i1yVl/0ebc9b14c6.png

[quido]

I still don't see what the problem is. One way or another, it's fair for everyone. Shit's classic.

[quido]

Most people would probably vote to bring the compass back too - your vote is irrelevant.

Shit's classic.

[Syft-X]

I still don't see what the problem is. One way or another, it's fair for everyone. Shit's classic.

Don't remember 200 skelly's running around in classic, seems very unclassic to me.

[TacoSmasher]

how you remember things vs the fact in classic there wasnt nameplates and aon was droppable.


god u r dum

[quido]

Don't remember 200 skelly's running around in classic, seems very unclassic to me.

I don't remember a single expansion lasting for over 4 years, either.

[Crazycloud]

Don't remember 200 skelly's running around in classic, seems very unclassic to me.

in classic if you past AON and someone took it YOU WERE FUCKED. GL getting that shit back.

[Syft-X]

I don't remember a single expansion lasting for over 4 years, either.

Exactly my point so change AON's add nameplates and no drop and it will be closer to classic.

[quido]

200 nameplated skeletons is closer to classic than a smaller number of non-nameplated skeletons?

[Sheriff]

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff270/kadiprescott/3360843_thumbnail.jpg

[Syft-X]

200 nameplated skeletons is closer to classic than a smaller number of non-nameplated skeletons?

If i never saw it on classic how can it be classic?

Saying something was classic shouldn't be used as a means to exploit an old mechanic that was never used that way on live. Custom rules should be made to keep the game closer to the way it was on live not used to make it further from live pvp.

If there is a game mechanic that is damaging pvp like trak's teeth, instant gate pots, and now aon's then it should be altered to restore the server to the state it was back on live.

[TacoSmasher]

:cool:Gongshow < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png ,http://puu.sh/i1pgh/b527d022e9.png
Aviato < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png
Twainz < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1tL7/12a8baf5ae.png NO VOTE
Letsjoe < Empire >
Kammbo < Empire >
Colgate < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1yKa/f98be801cc.png
Chiggen < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0yrI/8b213e35f1.jpg
Gaping < Empire >
Grimmtoad < Empire >
Chuckslaw < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0QjR/b11e7e5e28.png
Datboom < Empire >
Helenkeller < Empire >
Hectorchrist < Empire >
Samuel < Empire >
Rabid < Empire >
Pyrokinetic < Empire >
Waspnado < Empire >
Gyno < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1ru5/5752c2d2cd.jpg NO VOTE
Vetro < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1u7s/a681cea724.png
Barcode < Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1o40/1489cad5ea.png
Chun <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1xKY/c852198208.png
Lite <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1uiJ/567a25003d.png petition starter
Deluxee <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1u0N/87d275bf5a.png
Beastagor <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1psv/bcb8190cee.png
Willy <Good guys>
Roberto <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1rTG/2f322276bf.png
Karatay <Good guys>
Adrian <Good guys>
Krakin <Good guys>
Krazy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1r9A/ad61ced594.png

Enchanters who would gain name plate as well from Skeleton illusion.
http://puu.sh/i1ylT/894b04e938.png
http://puu.sh/i1yVl/0ebc9b14c6.png

you realize there is a poll function on these forums right? i swear good guys membership contains more dumbs than any guild in mmo history.


most cant read
dont know how to post a poll on forums
i have seen multiple good guys upload screenshots of screenshots in windows picture v viewer. its 2015, how do you still have no idea how to upload a picture to the internet.
elemtal clicks everything on his interface
spam threads calling for non classic changes to benefit themselves.
fred schnarf with expert IT insight into server outage
petitionquesters/general crybabbys
.

good guys posters make me feel so good about myself. proud to be part of the anti zerg <empire>, tight knit guild of competent humans slaying dragons getting gains in norrath and in real life everyday.

[iruinedyourday]

Exactly my point so change AON's add nameplates and no drop and it will be closer to classic.

should prob make armor and weapons decay so not so much kunark armor & fungis.. dont remember so much of that either.

[Syft-X]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/237/621/c8a.gif

[iruinedyourday]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/237/621/c8a.gif

syft not reading a post is the biggest lie of them all.

[Syft-X]

syft not reading a post is the biggest lie of them all.

6748 Worship 1 62 0.02 0 0.04

YIKES!

[TacoSmasher]

the point of this thread was to debate a retarded request for non classic changes. instead of debating good guys spam kdr and didnt read gifs.

sorry bro just cause you dont remember something doesnt mean it should be that way. your posting frequency and habits make it obvious no one should take anything you say seriously.

cant wait ti the next time we aon our force and you come whining to fq

[lite]

you realize there is a poll function on these forums right? i swear good guys membership contains more dumbs than any guild in mmo history.


which would be trolled and never looked at by a staff member, ever.

[Syft-X]

Stop derailing the thread then, can't troll a thread and then blame someone for trolling you back.

AON's making everyone a skelly is very unclassic.

AON's cause a huge problem with RMT.

Adding nameplates and making them no drop will fix a lot of these problems and the fact that most people that have use of Skelly illusion are voting for the change says a lot.

I hope we can all stay on topic and keep this about the subject.

[TacoSmasher]

which would be trolled and never looked at by a staff member, ever.


didnt u quit? attention whoring piece of shit.

ur thread has been trolled this whole time by syft and other good guys. this thread is retarded poll or not.

just quit actually please hehe.

[TacoSmasher]

also the fact you made a "im quitting" thread the same week as this one really helps people take you seriously

[Widan]

Mass AoN use is pretty terrible. Common sense has been used to remove other items that ruined pvp so why can't it be used here?

[lite]

I still don't see what the problem is. One way or another, it's fair for everyone. Shit's classic.

http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png

not trying to troll with oh look Gongshow disagrees with you, but he lays it out surprisingly well. As do many of your guildies.

[lite]

also the fact you made a "im quitting" thread the same week as this one really helps people take you seriously

gave you the benefit of a doubt and addressed your message, clearly you're here to troll and I am out of that business.

welcome to Ignore

[fred schnarf]

19 page all day post by lite out of trolling business yawl

[iruinedyourday]

gave you the benefit of a doubt and addressed your message, clearly you're here to troll and I am out of that business.

welcome to Ignore

lol onlly thing I ever said to you was srs answers to your questions about item recharging.. i wonder if you have the mental fortitude to not click view on every post you have ignored.

its like half the forum questers freek

[Slathar]

:cool:

you realize there is a poll function on these forums right? i swear good guys membership contains more dumbs than any guild in mmo history.


most cant read
dont know how to post a poll on forums
i have seen multiple good guys upload screenshots of screenshots in windows picture v viewer. its 2015, how do you still have no idea how to upload a picture to the internet.
elemtal clicks everything on his interface
spam threads calling for non classic changes to benefit themselves.
fred schnarf with expert IT insight into server outage
petitionquesters/general crybabbys
.

good guys posters make me feel so good about myself. proud to be part of the anti zerg <empire>, tight knit guild of competent humans slaying dragons getting gains in norrath and in real life everyday.

[TacoSmasher]

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/how-is-babby-formed

hehe

[Slathar]

sorry i didnt get your meme. try harder.

ps didnt click ur virus link

[TacoSmasher]

well i think you were the one "trying" when you tried to call me out on what was an intentional mispelling.

id say grammar police is the ultimate last resort tryhard tactic.

k?

[Giovanni]

I support nameplates. It makes pvp more fun. Would be okay with shortening the buff duration as well for the same reason.

AoN's were banned from live BOTBs because it was boring watching a bunch of skeletons chase each other around.

Also, the Grimtoad AoN is the best AoN.

[lite]

I support nameplates. It makes pvp more fun. Would be okay with shortening the buff duration as well for the same reason.

AoN's were banned from live BOTBs because it was boring watching a bunch of skeletons chase each other around.

Also, the Grimtoad AoN is the best AoN.

Thank you, your vote has been counted.

[Ragnaros]

Lite needs to come back and help some good guys
PS Samuell is not with Empire

[LoliPops]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3538/3491815571_f6f1cc00c6.jpg

[lite]

Lite needs to come back and help some good guys
PS Samuell is not with Empire

oh kk

[TacoSmasher]

officially voting no. i strongly oppose any changes spearheaded by lite/syft.

i support whatever decision the staff makes. hopefully this thread/ghetto poll or whatever the fuck it is has no influence on the decision making process.

[lite]

http://puu.sh/i21V9/76dee39afb.png

[Complexity]

I'll vote name plate. Only because I think it would help most of the population on BOTH sides. Would make for better and more fun fights.

[SamwiseRed]

obv vote to nameplate. skeleton pvp is boring.

[Giovanni]

Random old EQ pictures for comparison where we did not see 50 skeletons running around.

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/images/tourney/tot01.jpg

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/images/sister-full.jpg

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/images/trakanon-full.jpg

[lite]

Gongshow < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png ,http://puu.sh/i1pgh/b527d022e9.png
Aviato < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png
Twainz < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1tL7/12a8baf5ae.png NO VOTE
Letsjoe < Empire >
Kammbo < Empire >
Colgate < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1yKa/f98be801cc.png
Chiggen < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0yrI/8b213e35f1.jpg
Gaping < Empire >
Grimmtoad < Empire > http://puu.sh/i20Ue/9478d1dec9.png
Chuckslaw < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0QjR/b11e7e5e28.png
Datboom < Empire >
Helenkeller < Empire >
Hectorchrist < Empire >
Samuel
Rabid < Empire >
Pyrokinetic < Empire >
Waspnado < Empire >
Thrilla < Empire >
Gyno < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1ru5/5752c2d2cd.jpg NO VOTE
Vetro < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1u7s/a681cea724.png
Barcode < Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1o40/1489cad5ea.png
Chun <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1xKY/c852198208.png
Lite <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1uiJ/567a25003d.png petition starter
Deluxee <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1u0N/87d275bf5a.png
Beastagor <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1psv/bcb8190cee.png
Willy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i22lm/adf9861a28.jpg
Roberto <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1rTG/2f322276bf.png
Karatay <Good guys>
Adrian <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i228M/15a776c289.png
Krakin <Good guys>
Krazy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1r9A/ad61ced594.png


update

[SHOWITME]

RZ won test of tactics 1 (serverwide) 99.99999% due to being the only group of people who all used AONs. nobody on opposing teams knew how to deal with it.

its classic, and a tactic that was used. shit is retarded, and nameplates should of been added from the start. but don't go around posting some bluebies raiding as evidence that aon use wasnt classic.

the next year, test of tactics 2, they didn't allow clickies (because of how retarded aons were, for the most part)

edit: can also get prof from fiegi about this info, since he was on tot1 winning team.

[lite]

RZ won test of tactics 1 (serverwide) 99.99999% due to being the only group of people who all used AONs. nobody on opposing teams knew how to deal with it.


blahh, that's sad as fuck.

[SHOWITME]

blahh, that's sad as fuck.

i am exagerating on the reason 99.99999% etc etc, but it played a huge part in it. they were all very good players no doubt, but there is no doubt (especially after hearing people talk about it on the forums back in the day) that this made fighting against them incredibly difficult.

test of tactics 2, rallos zek was nowhere to be seen in the serverwide test of tactics (with clickies not permitted) ... however, iirc it was a different squad of 6 that rallos sent, the old squad that won tot1 werent around, but that is a discussion for another day

[helenkeller]

vote no. not classic
-helenkeller, member of chickenbone elite

[lite]

vote no. not classic
-helenkeller, member of chickenbone elite

thank you for the reply. your no vote will be properly represented.

[lite]

Gongshow < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png ,http://puu.sh/i1pgh/b527d022e9.png
Aviato < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png
Twainz < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1tL7/12a8baf5ae.png NO VOTE
Letsjoe < Empire >
Kammbo < Empire >
Colgate < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1yKa/f98be801cc.png NO VOTE
Chiggen < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0yrI/8b213e35f1.jpg
Gaping < Empire > http://puu.sh/i23Ze/31554c24ce.png
Grimmtoad < Empire > http://puu.sh/i20Ue/9478d1dec9.png
Chuckslaw < Empire > http://puu.sh/i0QjR/b11e7e5e28.png
Datboom < Empire >
Helenkeller < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i23rc/1e4edbb2a3.jpg NO VOTE
Hectorchrist < Empire >
Samuel
Rabid < Empire >
Pyrokinetic < Empire >
Waspnado < Empire >
Thrilla < Empire >
Gyno < Empire > NO VOTE http://puu.sh/i1ru5/5752c2d2cd.jpg NO VOTE
Vetro < Empire > http://puu.sh/i1u7s/a681cea724.png
Barcode < Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1o40/1489cad5ea.png
Chun <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1xKY/c852198208.png
Lite <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1uiJ/567a25003d.png petition starter
Deluxee <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1u0N/87d275bf5a.png
Beastagor <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1psv/bcb8190cee.png
Willy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i22lm/adf9861a28.jpg
Roberto <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1rTG/2f322276bf.png
Karatay <Good guys>
Adrian <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i228M/15a776c289.png
Krakin <Good guys>
Krazy <Good guys> http://puu.sh/i1r9A/ad61ced594.png

Enchanters who would gain name plate as well from Skeleton illusion.
http://puu.sh/i1ylT/894b04e938.png
http://puu.sh/i1yVl/0ebc9b14c6.png

[snufzaimoverlord]

Voting no it would ruin my immersion.

[lite]

Voting no it would ruin my immersion.

sorry, just trying to make sure I know where you stand.

Name plates being added would ruin your immersion, correct?

[quido]

If 30 shadowknights agree that warriors should have harm touch, should they make it so?

[daasgoot]

If 30 shadowknights agree that warriors should have harm touch, should they make it so?

i would be ok with this if you took away their discs, ability to duel wield, and gave them low lvl necro spells.

[quido]

There's like 900 level 60 warriors on blue - you never saw this on live - let's just delete half of them to make it more classic

[lite]

If 30 shadowknights agree that warriors should have harm touch, should they make it so?

If warriors went on to get Harm touch in the near future because it was clearly a fix that needed to be implemented, then it'd be something worth considering.

AoN Nameplate is an issue that went on to be addressed..

[quido]

So because a change was made in a later era, we should make it now?

Ok, let's add the targeting ring, compass, map, target group buff, guild management window, and chat channels.

[lite]

So because a change was made in a later era, we should make it now?

Ok, let's add the targeting ring, compass, map, target group buff, guild management window, and chat channels.

I was simply pointing out that your harm touching warriors analogy was not a very good one, since AoN name plates did go on to becoming a thing.

With that being said, part of the problem is that the Kunark era has been around long enough to farm a Luclin server's amount of AoN's.

My pal Mornin explains it well..

http://puu.sh/i1nUq/2c9459ddbf.png

[Syft-X]

So because a change was made in a later era, we should make it now?

Ok, let's add the targeting ring, compass, map, target group buff, guild management window, and chat channels.

The point is that when it became a prevalent issue on live it was addressed and changed, due to the unclassic extended timelines here it has become a problem in Kunark instead of later on.

Because it is making the server unclassic it should be changed.

[Colgate]

leave it to syft to decide that something actually classic is not classic

[Syft-X]

leave it to syft to decide that something actually classic is not classic

There wasn't 200 skellys running around on classic hence it is not classic, you wouldn't know because you aren't old enough to have played classic.

[lite]

There wasn't 200 skellys running around on classic hence it is not classic, you wouldn't know because you aren't old enough to have played classic.

If people would have chosen to, 200 Skllies running around in classic could have been a thing. Not sure that that's a very good argument for AoN's. Part of the problem rises from our greater knowledge of the game, and additional time to generate problems that didnt have an opportunity to come about back in the days.

If anything, it's a good argument for other broken aspects of our servers that cause guilds to reach that size.

With servers correctly re spawning randomly about once a week in a classic format, barricading yourself in AoN form while you wait weekly spawns probably wasn't something that happened that frequently.
People were out racing for spawns instead more often than not.

[Syft-X]

If people would have chosen to, 200 Skllies running around in classic could have been a thing. Not sure that that's a very good argument for AoN's.

If anything, it's a good argument for other broken aspects of our servers that cause guilds to reach that size.

But there wasn't 200 skelly's running around so there was no need for nameplates, when cazic was revamped and AON's became more popular and were farmed it later became an issue.

Like it is right now.

[quido]

Dispell those skeletons enough and most of them won't continue to be skeletons.

[Syft-X]

Dispell those skeletons enough and most of them won't continue to be skeletons.

your missing the point, the goal is make the server as much like classic as possible, while it's 15 years later and the expansions have been extended beyond their timelines that is not possible, some custom changes can help that tho.

The fact is nameplates were added beyond classic timeline to address a problem, on live it took till POP to reach that point, here we've reached that point now. Also that's kind of silly to tell people to dispel an instant click especially when everyone has enough clicks to pretty much be undispellable.

[lite]

Dispell those skeletons enough and most of them won't continue to be skeletons.

that's not the problem, man.

http://puu.sh/i1pwK/bb04e2873d.png

[quido]

Shouldn't we be agreeing to de-escalate the AON-passing-around ourselves instead of asking Rogean for a source code change? If anything?

[mirkuls]

I vote yes for nameplates.

[Syft-X]

Shouldn't we be agreeing to de-escalate the AON-passing-around ourselves instead of asking Rogean for a source code change? If anything?

If anything this community has shown it cannot police itself, the majority currently are unable to follow the rules on this server, why would players follow unofficial rules?

RMT, MQ use, Training, LNS violations all still happen daily, and they are against the rules, this is change that needs to be hardcoded. Only gentlemen can make gentlemen's agreements and we have far too many scoundrels here.

[Widan]

Making them no drop would have the added benefit of cutting down on RMT too. But a few months after Velious the problem is going to come up again.

[Complexity]

Shouldn't we be agreeing to de-escalate the AON-passing-around ourselves instead of asking Rogean for a source code change? If anything?

shouldn't be much of anything, how he had it on vztz.

[Glugg]

de-escalate

agree to de-escalate

agree to de-escalate

...

LOL

[Glugg]

There wasn't 200 skellys running around on classic hence it is not classic, you wouldn't know because you aren't old enough to have played classic.

19 yr old punk put in his place

how big was your vocab when this game came out bro? 30+ words?

[Glugg]

leave it to syft to decide that something actually classic is not classic

3 years of kunark: CLASSIC

[Clark]

Shouldn't we be agreeing to de-escalate the AON-passing-around ourselves instead of asking Rogean for a source code change? If anything?

Because when has that ever worked.

[quido]

It worked on blue, not that it made it any better.

[Clark]

It worked on blue, not that it made it any better.

:cool:

[quido]

"I'm sorry I was wrong on the internet, Jeremy."

[Kergan]

But there wasn't 200 skelly's running around so there was no need for nameplates, when cazic was revamped and AON's became more popular and were farmed it later became an issue.

Like it is right now.

Anyone who FQs regularly knows my history with Mr. Syft here. But honestly, he is completely on point here. This got patched 35 days into Luclin. Based on the fact that there were separate teams handling EQ Live and xpac development, it is very likely this nameplate change was on the docket in the classic era. It was without a doubt an oversight but a low priority item to get fixed. If they had pushed it through two patches sooner it would have fallen in the "classic" era.

I'm all for a classic server, up to the point it makes the game worse. Saying you intentionally want to make the game shittier to preserve some notion of classic despite the fact we have a plethora of non classic mechanics is getting old.

[Lev_Mer]

LITE IS GOING INSANE

[quido]

They left the warrior taunt bug in purposely for 8 months because that shit was classic. Sadism in the name of classic has always been the M.O. here.

[Syft-X]

They left the warrior taunt bug in purposely for 8 months because that shit was classic. Sadism in the name of classic has always been the M.O. here.

4 years of Kunark isn't classic and adjustments need to be made for that 7 months of kunark is classic. By saying keep it classic in ignorance of that fact is not trying to place the game to classic EQ but rather unbalance it for the custom environment we find ourselves in.

The goal is to make the game FEEL like classic everquest, not lawyerdoctor the rules to find exploits. And no nameplates is an exploit it causes mass confusion in pvp that was not intended for an atheistic item, that was made to be an unlimited illusion potion for classes that had no access to it.

[Lasher]

No reason to try to give reason why it should be changed or shouldnt be. Everyone tosses "classic" and "broken" around which ever suits them best at the moment.

Lite and azrael honestly were the main guild to use the AON army strat but now that it does not suit him.....

Lite needs to just come out and say " Empire using AON army hurts guilds chances"

I personally like to see aons have name plates only because it will make following people easier, how ever if I was the soul decider on this issue I would have no names because GG gets more flustered by no Name aons than Empire does

[Syft-X]

No reason to try to give reason why it should be changed or shouldnt be. Everyone tosses "classic" and "broken" around which ever suits them best at the moment.

Lite and azrael honestly were the main guild to use the AON army strat but now that it does not suit him.....

Lite needs to just come out and say " Empire using AON army hurts guilds chances"

I personally like to see aons have name plates only because it will make following people easier, how ever if I was the soul decider on this issue I would have no names because GG gets more flustered by no Name aons than Empire does

To be honest I don't think that way...

I bugreported Wizard unlimited range AoE's when I mained a wizard

I bugreported Highsun when I mained a bard

I bugreported Malosini landing on high MR targets when I was playing a Shaman.

Personally I would love nothing more than no nameplates when I play a necro, and being surrounded by 200 other skelly's would allow me to blend in and cause mass devastation. Especially in ntov on a class with 2 DA's feign death, knowledge of the zone, and max dragon faction. I'm used to fighting 200 man guilds and wiping them in velious it's something I did daily. I know exactly where i can go in that zone with faction and where I have to DA and feign to get by.

But it gives PvP an artificial feel, isn't whats best for the server, and isn't whats best for skill based pvp.

[Farzo]

This thread is born out of Lite's bitterness of turning in to a non factor.

Disregard it GMs.

[Lasher]

I haven't read all the posts but whats the actual argument for adding names?

[Colgate]

http://www.twitch.tv/deadlyapostle/c/4000344

lite started this shit

thread makes me laugh

[Farzo]

I don't own an AoN: and probably never will, but the point of having one is to add a whole new level of potential capacity to one's PvP game, and is a reward generally to those that participate in PvP vrs those that just show up for raid loot.

Why would a server want to take away one of the most sort-after and prestigious PvP items in the game and make it a watered down version (I.e name plates).

This isn't Wow and everyone deserves the same footing.

[TacoSmasher]

Why would a server want to take away one of the most sort-after and prestigious PvP items in the game and make it watered down version (I.e name plates).


they should do it because syft and lite want it that way obv

[Syft-X]

Both Empire and Good Guys have enough AON's to turn an entire raid force into skelly's, it's really not benefiting either side to have no nameplates. All it does is turn pvp into a confusing mess.

It's sad that we let our personal feelings and old grudges get in the way of making changes that are really just good for everyone and promote skill based pvp.

they should do it because syft and lite want it that way obv

Actually there are a ton of Empire that also approve of this including your guild leader who I know a lot better than you do.

[Lasher]

Confusing mess will still be a thing with Name plate aons. Instead of chasing a no name skel you will be chasing a named skell that is barely blinking among other names that arent blinking

Same argument people are making for names can be said for target rings.

Target rings would make mass pvp less confusing.

[cr0ss]

Y'all need to stop acting so damn entitled to some "classic" nostalgia. If its for the health and growth of the server, why not concede something like this?

On both sides too, why not compromise in some fashion?

If not name plates, why not target rings? If not target rings, why not make the AoN no trade so whole guilds + extras cant all be skeletons without name plates?

Find some middle ground, or just leave it up to the devs. There is a reason to make this change, for the health of the server and to entice more people - as well as make "end game" pvp more enticing as well.

[Colgate]

lite's idea of server health was to convince the officers of the newbie-helping leveling guild to disband and join him and then quit the game 3 days later

pass

[cr0ss]

lite's idea of server health was to convince the officers of the newbie-helping leveling guild to disband and join him and then quit the game 3 days later

pass

what does that have to do with changing nameplates or targeting ring or making AoN no trade?

[cr0ss]

Four years of kunark.

Ok. What does that have to do with changing something that will help keep the server healthier in a PvP aspect?

[Lasher]

I vote No drop, skele name with target win

[Humerox]

lite's idea of server health was to convince the officers of the newbie-helping leveling guild to disband and join him and then quit the game 3 days later

pass

Don't try to act magnanimous about that. I asked you guys to put a hold or waiting period on <Fresh> members joining you and you wouldn't even consider it. All you wanted was a feeder guild. In the long run the server is better off without a huge leveling guild feeding a zerg.

Max's hate for Azrael kept him constantly courting you for pixels despite all his FQing. And yeah some of us benefited. But you guys had the better end of the deal.

[Colgate]

Don't try to act magnanimous about that. I asked you guys to put a hold or waiting period on <Fresh> members joining you and you wouldn't even consider it. All you wanted was a feeder guild. In the long run the server is better off without a huge leveling guild feeding a zerg.

Max's hate for Azrael kept him constantly courting you for pixels despite all his FQing. And yeah some of us benefited. But you guys had the better end of the deal.

most of the people who left fresh to join us had intentions of joining us as soon as they started on the server, but couldn't due to the level requirement

i don't see at all how that makes us bad guys

[Humerox]

most of the people who left fresh to join us had intentions of joining us as soon as they started on the server, but couldn't due to the level requirement

i don't see at all how that makes us bad guys

It doesn't. It just wasn't good for server health and you know it. All BS aside you know a competing guild is necessary for server health in a PvP environment. And <Empire> was substantially more appealing to the general type of player <Fresh> leveled. It also would have been perfect for all the <TMO> crossovers.

[Colgate]

i think welcoming people into a guild instead of turning them away just because they were previously in another guild is good for server health

i'm sure some of those people would have quit entirely

[Humerox]

i think welcoming people into a guild instead of turning them away just because they were previously in another guild is good for server health

i'm sure some of those people would have quit entirely

Some may have. But let me ask you - aren't your guys having a whole lot more fun now? I know I am. The strategizing on both sides has been awesome. There are already lower-tier guilds forming to pick up the slack so I'm not worried about the newbs...they'll handle themselves. The bigger fish to fry on that front is the OOC limitation, imo.

As far as <Fresh> goes I think the kill order decimated the guild and put most at odds with <Empire>. I was on a break for all that but that's what I'm getting. <Fresh> couldn't legitimately compete by itself and never could have.

[LostCause]

Four years of kunark.

4 years of kunark LOL


Project 1999 Red (PvP) Launched: Friday, Nov 18, 2011.

kunark release was late 2012

[Lasher]

I want the mass pvp. Right now its empire rushing for the big mobs and GG scrambling for scraps and then Empire trying to stop GG after we got our fill of mobs.

RIght now server seems to be driven by who can get what mobs before there are none left. Empire will go after the Crown jewel of mobs. GG will go after scrap mobs. Then when a few mobs left a stand off happens but instead of head on pvp its juking pvp for a mob or just camp.

[LoliPops]

While we're considering non-classic changes, let's implement the Sony Station cash shop so EVERYONE can buy an AON!

Problem?