Consider Project 2002

[BossThunderace]

In Kunark now.. pretty sure Velious will be out by winter, work has already started on the snow content

[Orruar]

In Kunark now.. pretty sure Velious will be out by winter, work has already started on the snow content

Should we go ahead and start the holgresh cave list now?

[UnderPressure]

Extracting now. Let's see how it goes.

[Swish]

Should we go ahead and start the holgresh cave list now?

chortled

[BossThunderace]

Extracting now. Let's see how it goes.

able to get in?

[Haynar]

They do have their own message boards.

Maybe we can charge them rent for using the ones here.

H

[Wharhog]

Should we go ahead and start the holgresh cave list now?

I wouldn't bother....OP game-breakers wont be in....as they were never in on AK.

[Bheart]

- Installed P2002 from rerolled
- Created and activated forum account
- Ran EQW.exe > point to eqgame.exe

Windows 7 error eqgame.exe has stopped working
Unable to load eqw.dll

[Wharhog]

.net framework needs to be up to date and direct x9 needs to be installed.

[Lamil]

Should we go ahead and start the holgresh cave list now?

Hahaha, this one got me good

[Haynar]

Should we go ahead and start the holgresh cave list now?

If they do put stuff like that in, they will probably announce a few week window where they are campable. Similar to how they did with guise.

I could care less if its a perfect "AK" copy. I know I would want a pre-nerf CoS. Forget guise or beads. Let ppl have their pre-nerf CoS! But I am biased that way.

H

[maurilax]

Would definitely play here more if the client was updated to allow native third-person.

The client and lack of wineq is holding me back

[Bheart]

.net framework needs to be up to date and direct x9 needs to be installed.

Currently using Directx 11 and .net 4.0

[Haynar]

I think there was a visual c++ runtime version u needed too.

[kendi64]

Server population is picking up, especially a lot of single character players, not boxed

[kendi64]

yes the visual c++ will solve it, I had that issue on a computer before MS V C++ http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5555

[Bheart]

Seems like my C++ is already up-to-date. Have both the 2010 and 2013 x64 and x86.

Are there any installation steps that I'm missing?

- Downloaded "Project 2002 for PC" zip file.
- Copied Project 2002 folder into C:\Program Files
- Ran EQW.exe and pointed to eqgame.exe
- Checked "Run Patch Program" & "Fix eqclient.ini" (tried with and without checks)

[Haynar]

Dont run patch program. That likely messed it up so you need to reinstall.

[am0n]

The client and lack of wineq is holding me back

I tried playing for a bit. The client + population was it for me, unfortunately. I know more people joining would fix the population, but I logged in during prime time and counted about 50 characters... but you could tell about 1/3 of them were three-boxing.

[Bheart]

Dont run patch program. That likely messed it up so you need to reinstall.


Nope, still same issue. Appreciate your ideas though.

[Bheart]

Seems like my C++ is already up-to-date. Have both the 2010 and 2013 x64 and x86.

Are there any installation steps that I'm missing?

- Downloaded "Project 2002 for PC" zip file.
- Copied Project 2002 folder into C:\Program Files
- Ran EQW.exe and pointed to eqgame.exe
- Checked "Run Patch Program" & "Fix eqclient.ini" (tried with and without checks)


Besides copying the Project 2002 folder to C:, is there some sort of actual installation that needs to be done before running EQW?

[budorf]

I tried playing for a bit. The client + population was it for me, unfortunately. I know more people joining would fix the population, but I logged in during prime time and counted about 50 characters... but you could tell about 1/3 of them were three-boxing.

Hey good on you for at least giving it a try. The client is definitely a hold up for some people. And yes, the population is not great but it has definitely picked up the last month or so. Hoping that the trend continues!

[Haynar]

Besides copying the Project 2002 folder to C:, is there some sort of actual installation that needs to be done before running EQW?

The copying of the very specific files is the installation really. You basically have copied files as they were installed back in 2002. So no updates are needed.

I run on win7. So my installation folder is c:\users\public\eqmac. Just to be simple.

Eqw.exe was originally written for live. So it also has patcher options that are unused. I think I had to set the path to the eqgame.exe in the running eqw.exe is all really.

H

[am0n]

Hey good on you for at least giving it a try. The client is definitely a hold up for some people. And yes, the population is not great but it has definitely picked up the last month or so. Hoping that the trend continues!

Thanks. I'll keep an eye on the server. I never played AK (I actually only ever played real classic, prior to Kunark), but I've played enough games since to know that QoL improvements are something I appreciate. Perhaps if they go to a newer client, or the population starts to rise, I'll consider hopping over there. I'm just not really interested in multi-boxing and it seemed like without that I'd basically be running solo most of the time.

[Lorian]

Consider it. P99 is for power players that loves the original (and hardcore) style EQ, if you are more of a casual player and enjoyed the PoP era then P2002 is for you.

[Swish]

OP for this thread has been banned there by the look of it, lol.

[Alenon]

Consider it. P99 is for power players that loves the original (and hardcore) style EQ, if you are more of a casual player and enjoyed the PoP era then P2002 is for you.


What if I enjoyed pop but detest boxers?

[BossThunderace]

What if I enjoyed pop but detest boxers?

the atmosphere will make you stay, people are pretty awesome here.


In other news, the bazaar has more traders up

[Wharhog]

What if I enjoyed pop but detest boxers?

Then you never played PoP on live....many in my guild as well as myself boxed during PoP

[budorf]

If you detest boxers, this server is not for you. Boxing is accepted, discussed a lot on the forums, and part of the draw for a lot of people. That's not to say that grouping is discouraged, in fact I've found quite the opposite during my time on the server (I've grouped on p2002 more in 2 months than I did in over a year on p99). It makes it an awful lot easier for the casual player who just wants to log on for 45 minutes and get some exp, but may not be able to find a group in that amount of time (PoK helps a lot with this too for travel time). There is a huge exp bonus for grouping (similar to red99) so it is always in your best interest to find at least one or two other people to group/box with. That said we are seeing an influx of newer players who are not boxing at all, and a lot of the higher levels are helping them out with buffs and some starting items to get through the lower levels until they can find more people to group with.

[Alenon]

Then you never played PoP on live....many in my guild as well as myself boxed during PoP

Of course I played pop, and never did I, my guild, or anyone I know want or feel the need to box. Just don't feel mmo's were meant to be played like that, but that is of course my own opinion! I was just curious what the population was like lately. They have like 2 guilds listed

[Haynar]

What if I enjoyed pop but detest boxers?

I have learned to tolerate the anti-boxers. I bet you can learn to tolerate boxers.

Or you can stay and play on p99.

H

[Keykey]

I'm playing here - extremely friendly crowd. OOC is global and at times very active.

The start up was very easy. I play on a PC. I had an issue with a missing windows file, but the forum community knew where to direct me. They guaranteed they could get the game running if I was patient, even offering to comp share if I wanted that type of help.

The first person view took adjustment. The lack of no scroll back was annoying the first few days. I played live in first person. It wasn't until I played WoW that switched me to 3rd person. I remember being uncomfortable when I started playing WoW too. I've only been playing a week, and the first person view seems normal again. It just takes time to adjust. F9 offers third person views, but you need to be really coordinated to use it.

I'm not boxing at this point. I may in the future. I've been asked to join boxers "groups".

There are other adjustments. Spell memorization and scribe is very classic.

So far I'm still looking forward to logging in to play any chance I get!

Here is the Technical Discussion forum where there are getting started guides etc. http://p2002.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=17

[Bheart]

- Installed P2002 from rerolled
- Created and activated forum account
- Ran EQW.exe > point to eqgame.exe

Windows 7 error eqgame.exe has stopped working
Unable to load eqw.dll


Any other ideas of how to fix this problem?

[mr_jon3s]

I couldn't get the client to download. went to the link clicked download it started downloading and stopped a couple seconds later saying it failed.

[darchangel89]

I was kind of leary about the boxers when I first came to p2002. I thought they would be antisocial and it would be hard to find a group. But I have grouped with lots of people who are boxing and they are very friendly. With the low population its actually pretty handy to have boxers because its easier to get a full group.
There have been alot of new players joining the server recently, which I really like, because there are lots of people to group with at low levels. And I really like making newbs :)

[Wharhog]

Please use the P2002 Tech Help forums for help....it will get your problems solved way faster than posting here!

[UnderPressure]

able to get in?

I was, thanks. I enjoy the server. Out of everyone I met, I've only ran into one dickbag. So I'm a fan of the community for the most part. Everyone is very helpful. Feel free to hit me up if you see me on.

-Flannigan, 20 Warrior
-Druigan, 20 Druid

[BossThunderace]

Server going strong, single boxers welcome!

NEED MORE GNOMES

[erog84]

Right now there is a nice influx of lower level players. For those who already started and quit due to hard time finding groups, or those that might be interested, now would be a good time to level up. I've seen alot of the high levels handing out items/buffs to people starting, and even in some cases powerlvling going on too.

[Bheart]

Can confirm. Been great playing on P2002.

It's a relatively young server which means people are still progressing through the content, economy is somewhat balanced, and camps are open.

Of course the server population is a lot lower than P99, so it's all about what you prefer. I have a feeling that P2002 will continue growing though, considering that P99 is going no further than Velious (which has almost been beaten already)

[Toodles]

P2002 or Chronicles of Norrath?

And why is P2002 not in the server lisT?

[Tollen]

custom client that's not compatible with emu server list.

visit p2002.com to find out how to play

[chix2591]

I just wanted to put my two cents in and say that I started on P2002 about a week ago, and so far it's been a blast. The community is friendly and helpful (already had someone deck my lowbie bard out in full bronze!), and while I was wary at first, I really haven't found the whole boxing thing to be a problem. I do it now and then for convenience mostly, but for the most part it seems that people generally prefer to group with other live humans given the chance.

One of the things I've especially enjoyed is making newbies and having the newbie armor quests available. (Whether you think they're worth it or not, I always found them fun. :p )

The population is certainly small right now but doesn't feel empty by any means. That being said, I think this server could be truly awesome if we could get some more people playing, which is the main thing that inspired me to come out and make a post. So ... yeah, give p2002 a try!

[Tewaz]

I am trying to get on P2002 for Mac and I can't get it to work with Yosemite.

[Smallpoxx]

Just wanted to add in that P2002 has been a blast. There a small annoyances that still need to be worked out, but nothing game-breaking for me.

I rolled a beastlord/SK/cleric combo, and I hit level 50 in 2 weeks. There's been plenty of friendly players that I've met along the way. I've gotten some nice weapons from players; some were outright given to me, and some are on loan.

I just got a jade mace to drop for my beastlord last night, and I'm rocking a stave of shielding in my offhand that was given to me. The SK has a Zealot's Incardanine Sword that is borrowed from a guildie (who wasn't a guildie when he offered it to me).

I've had groups in Oasis, Dalnir, Mistmoore, Kurn's, Oasis again (specs), Sol B, and Karnor's so far. Some very friendly players on the server helped me get seb keyed today as well.

There are no class experience penalties, but racial experience penalties do still exist.

You can also usually find someone to buff you in PoK.

Consider p2002, it's wonderful.

[BossThunderace]

I am trying to get on P2002 for Mac and I can't get it to work with Yosemite.


I can confirm p2002 runs on Yosemite and it works great

check this out:

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21

or post in the tech help

[BossThunderace]

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&p=4599#p4599

[Keykey]

I'm torn. Do I share my positive experience and the hordes (no pun intended) pour in or do I keep it to myself.

https://inhalebliss.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/20130401-014443.jpg

The server deserves recognition. So here I post.

http://www.seancast.com/wordpress/wp-content/image-files/2013/11/sharing-1.jpg

I'm still having a great time.

Grouping over the weekend was plentiful.

Solo'ing means you don't have to share loot.

THIS is going to be the "PoP era emulator". (I am in no way affiliated with the project managers. I'm just an experienced Everquest fanatic)

I'm going to enjoy the no lines, no waiting while I can.

[Lorian]

Yup, cant wait to get Velious and Luclin and in the end PoP. :) Velious will be up in three months abouts. No lines to the good stuff, and the bazaar is picking up as well! Just wish i could transfer some gear from P99.... :P

[sOurDieSel]

Population is steadily increasing.

Kunark dragons are getting slayed.

VP is on the horizon.

Velious is being developed.

[BossThunderace]

so many more newbies running around, its awesome

[Toodles]

I tried to read the differences between TAKP and P2002, and it's a bit ...well biased depending on whom you ask.

My understanding is that one is a fork of the other - like an offshoot. They are very similar in their functions, processes, emulator mechanics and features. Where they differ is primarily the ethos and vision of the staff/players.

Why would I choose one over the other?
On this version of the EQ emulator, are the following working properly :

AC
AC to weight (Monk)
Mob hit boxes
Mob pathing/no warping/animations
Sit aggro

etcetc.

And alongside no scroll, I read that you cannot tab or keyboard shortcut target mobs - you have to mouse click?

[Wharhog]

AC
AC to weight (Monk)
Mob hit boxes
Mob pathing/no warping/animations
Sit aggro

^Yes

I am not going to say there are no pathing bugs......live had pathing bugs...we are not perfect but the rest of those things work as intended on both servers.

[Toodles]

^Yes

I am not going to say there are no pathing bugs......live had pathing bugs...we are not perfect but the rest of those things work as intended on both servers.

Thanks

I was referring more to pathing bugs that are not classic, like the ones in P99 and/or the nasty animation mid air warping mobs do at distance or through walls.


Also, is it possible to use right mouse button (held) to turn pan the camera? I ask for clarification because people are saying 'you can,' just not as 'efficiently.' ....

[sOurDieSel]

Yes, you can use the mouse to turn/look.

Tab can be used to target the nearest mob but you can't 'scroll' through with tab. This is a client limitation afaik.

[BossThunderace]

Silk Swatch for FBSS Challenge (http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1046)

[LostCause]

i tried to play i like how classic it feels just lvling a char again from scratch is so boring.

[Lamil]

Couldn't get it to work so gave up. Sounded interesting

[budorf]

Technical support if you're having trouble getting it to work:

http://p2002.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=17

[Bheart]

Couldn't get it to work so gave up. Sounded interesting

Post your issue in one of the forums - it's worth it to play

[Wharhog]

Last merge created a mem leak, this will be resolved shortly.

[Liegezen]

Enjoying it a lot so far. Isn't quite as exciting as red is, but that's understandable as no game is as fun without pvp, imo.

Personally i just miss the PoP era and boxing. I'd never risk my stuff on p99 to box, and with a community as nice as the one on p2002 it's pretty easy to get started. Haven't had any issues having to relog after playing long periods of time, but there is the issue with going ld while zoning every now and then that's kind of annoying.

[Furst]

Oh cool haynar when did you start playing on p2002?

[apio]

Most of the code is identical, in fact. However for sure it takes longer for code changes to make it to P2002, I think TAK is kind of the test box for the code and P2002 do not think it's really necessary to update code before it has been thoroughly tested on TAK, which I think is a good thing. When TAK was having huge problems for 2 weeks because of some code/lua change, P2002 was running perfectly fine. The corrupted code never made it to P2002.

I recommend that p2002 move back to main code base, as it is turning the server to crap

I did not care for all the bugs. Reminded me of playing on takp 6 months ago. It sucked.

I am actually very resentful towards what p2002 has done. It kinda throws much of the work that myself and others such as cavedude, Secrets, Robregen, Speedz, Torven, et. al., under the bus, with the claims that you can do better. I am unimpressed.


If you can't beat them, make up lies about them? After you already closed an off topic thread to shut down ads for P2002 (will this thread be next??), your bias is showing once again :) You should be ashamed of yourself.

Now that you have finally fixed the player counter at least people can see through the lies , as it is now obvious P2002 has a larger population than TAK. So I am not surprised you have resorted to grasping at straws. Your fake ass attempt at coming off as objective has failed

[apio]

You don't see the P2002 staff shitting up the TAK advertisement thread. That's because they have better things to do, like developing content instead of developing a mental illness as you seem to be doing.

[Pokesan]

oh is it time for another episode of eqmac emu squabblefest?

hmm...let's see...oh here we go - p2002 was founded on cheating by cheaters!
http://i.imgur.com/DKJhx9l.gif

[burkemi5]

I'm sure it's been posted in this thread already, but what is the population of the server like? Is it just a bunch of people boxing or are there actual guilds killing stuff?

[apio]

There's a playercounter on the front page that shows the number of currently logged in characters

http://p2002.com

[Secrets]

Now that you have finally fixed the player counter at least people can see through the lies , as it is now obvious P2002 has a larger population than TAK. So I am not surprised you have resorted to grasping at straws. Your fake ass attempt at coming off as objective has failed

I wasn't aware anyone gave two shits what the player counts were.

TAKP has 78-100 on weekends, P2002 has 30-80ish on average on the same days. I don't think there's anything to be upset about here on either sides - that is healthy for a small community in both regards.

I don't think we need to grasp at straws here - on either side. The hostility from day 1 is unwarranted.

It's clearly obvious you guys feel threatened by TAKP because they have people you don't like, and vice versa. No one cares and the competitive mentality is killing both of these communities. EQMac never was about competing servers, it was about 2-3 guilds (Temerity, Destiny, The Horde primarily) and they all got along somehow.

Do you really know why the EQMac server went to hell? Here's a history lesson: P1999 players went over to EQMac.

You don't see the P2002 staff shitting up the TAK advertisement thread. That's because they have better things to do, like developing content instead of developing a mental illness as you seem to be doing.

Sorry, I wasn't aware that this project was all content and no code. A majority of the time spent on TAKP lately was fixing the stuff that was mechanically wrong - see Torven's work, cavedude's work, Haynar's work, my work, etc...

I'd be in favor of close sourcing the code and database beyond what's available - it's obvious P2002 doesn't want to contribute and wants to destroy our community judging by the hostilities shown here. Three of their developers grasp at straws and attack Haynar unprovoked. What kind of bullshit is that?

[burkemi5]

33 players right now. Granted it's also 1:17 EST on a Thursday. How is it on weekends? And are there guilds killing bosses?

[Secrets]

Now that you have finally fixed the player counter at least people can see through the lies , as it is now obvious P2002 has a larger population than TAK. So I am not surprised you have resorted to grasping at straws. Your fake ass attempt at coming off as objective has failed


http://puu.sh/kmEHb/b78217645c.png

http://puu.sh/kmEJh/e197971f31.png

33 players right now. Granted it's also 1:17 EST on a Thursday. How is it on weekends? And are there guilds killing bosses?

Both servers are clearing raid content with the small amounts of players.

Personally? I have a job and couldn't give a shit which one is more popular. Have fun determining which elf sim is better than the other. I'll keep on preserving EQMac.

[Pokesan]

Do you really know why the EQMac server went to hell? Here's a history lesson: P1999 players went over to EQMac.



It's not a very good history lesson if don't explain how they got there :eek:

[apio]

So Secrets, then tell me. Why do Torven or you or Haynar feel the need to rehash this every few weeks? Like I have said, the developers of P2002 do NOT come to the TAK thread and try to stir up trouble. Once again, Haynar came in this thread and posted a bunch of bullshit. Everyone can see that this hostility is mainly initiated from your side. It is pretty sad that the two of you have to abuse your notoriety on this forum to try to shift opinions. At least when Torven comes in here and spreads crap nobody give's a rats ass

[Furst]

Just so you know we basically have the same code base except for the loot fix you blights out in. We adjusted drop values to fix the same issue.

We also do not use the login server speedz created that tied the salt login to the database, which leaves a huge security hole.

**note I'm not a code dev this was just how it was explained to me

[Secrets]

So Secrets, then tell me. Why do Torven or you or Haynar feel the need to rehash this every few weeks? Like I have said, the developers of P2002 do NOT come to the TAK thread and try to stir up trouble. Once again, Haynar came in this thread and posted a bunch of bullshit. Everyone can see that this hostility is mainly initiated from your side. It is pretty sad that the two of you have to abuse your notoriety on this forum to try to shift opinions. At least when Torven comes in here and spreads crap nobody give's a rats ass

According to the topic history that I see,

http://puu.sh/kmFKp/f1c60feaed.png

it was unprovoked and someone asked Haynar when he started playing on P2002, with several P2002 'developers' chiming in.

[Secrets]

We also do not use the login server speedz created that tied the salt login to the database, which leaves a huge security hole.

Neither do we.

If you're using the same code as us, then your database isn't matching our formulas according to your allaclone. You may wish to run a query to update stats of NPCs globally to match TAKP's for a better playing experience.

[apio]

According to the topic history that I see,

http://puu.sh/kmFKp/f1c60feaed.png

it was unprovoked and someone asked Haynar when he started playing on P2002, with several P2002 'developers' chiming in.

rofl did you even read his post? Guess you were too busy screenshotting it and uploading it to the internet.

Oh, and we get it, you now have a job and a big screen. Everyone knows by now ;)

[Pokesan]

you're both wrong, furst was responding to a deleted haynar post - nothing sinister, i think he wanted to write something longer which he did

[apio]

Haynar abusing his Mod powers once again.

[jetviper21]

I think I was overly critical of my experiences with p2002 initially. Some of the issues already fixed on takp, exist on p2002. Takp seems to be ahead code wise on fixes to bug issues and stability. P2002 is focused on releasing content faster.

I would rather have the former. An expansion every 6 months or so is fine with me. I am not an end game raider chasing BiS.

I play mainly to see things in mechanics, that need fixed or improved upon. P2002 has done themselves a great dis-service in forking their code base, and doing a piecemeal patching of takp's code changes. I cannot tolerate playing with bugs I already fixed. And why should I have to?

One of main reasons I started helping code on takp, was to give the players better functionality, smoother game play, and an overall better playing experience. P2002 took that away. I am actually very resentful towards what p2002 has done. It kinda throws much of the work that myself and others such as cavedude, Secrets, Robregen, Speedz, Torven, et. al., under the bus, with the claims that you can do better. I am unimpressed.

I recommend that p2002 move back to main code base, as it is turning the server to crap. Keep your own db development. There will be too many disagreements between content devs there.

I did not care for all the bugs. Reminded me of playing on takp 6 months ago. It sucked.

Haynar

Since you apparently are pulling things out of thin air let me enlighten you here is the commit dif between our (p2002) last deploy and EqMacEmu master

$ git lg 09-17-2015-1..d6f30cddc4311a316d1422cbd836b4171e74294d
* d6f30cd [Ludwig] (tak/master) Fixed the world server crash on character deletion that I caused. (21 hours ago)
* f5a4b7b [Ludwig] Corrected an issue where NPCs were not handing lore items back they didn't need. (2 days ago)
* 3f43c81 [regneq] Merge pull request #474 from EQMacEmu/Dev (2 days ago)

[Secrets]

rofl did you even read his post? Guess you were too busy screenshotting it and uploading it to the internet.

Oh, and we get it, you now have a job and a big screen. Everyone knows by now ;)

I don't see a post. If there was a post he must've deleted it or a P99 forum moderator must have.

Not my problem, you should talk to that green named forum guide person Sirortsky or w/e to see what happened. Personally I think neither of these topics should stay on the forums, but so far it only seems like it's one thread and one userbase not being civil.

As for my screen, I use puush.me. It takes literally ~2 seconds to press alt shift 4 and select the portion of my screen. Coming from someone who is accusing of grasping for straws, that's a bit graspy for straws imo.

[apio]

Yeah it's a joke, silly. Nothing like the misinformation campaign you guys are trying to pull here. If you just put a fraction of the effort into promoting TAK, their thread might not be buried on page 3. You should really rethink your marketing strategy.

[Pokesan]

haynar conspired with sikorsky to trick furst into saying hello to him :eek:

[BossThunderace]

Silk Swatch for FBSS Challenge (http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1046)

[apio]

.

see, this guy gets it !

[jetviper21]

I'd be in favor of close sourcing the code and database beyond what's available - it's obvious P2002 doesn't want to contribute and wants to destroy our community judging by the hostilities shown here. Three of their developers grasp at straws and attack Haynar unprovoked. What kind of bullshit is that?

We have contributed maps and lua back to the project.

https://github.com/EQMacEmu/eqmacemu-maps/commit/9b93d07c7ecc4b839381ae7831fb7acdffd73255

https://github.com/EQMacEmu/peqmacquests/commit/9a3c760d49f0224fba3456643c7410ae75dca1a5

https://github.com/EQMacEmu/peqmacquests/commit/3eb56181541d6eb3422f960f58f8245968de992a

Ive also promised rob our velious armor scripts.

I think the hostilities are us always being on the defensive since you guys seem to want to drag us through the mud every few weeks.

[Secrets]

Yeah it's a joke, silly. Nothing like the misinformation campaign you guys are trying to pull here. If you just put a fraction of the effort into promoting TAK, their thread might not be buried on page 3. You should really rethink your marketing strategy.

I don't know about you but this thread seems like really good promotion for TAK.

Not everything's about marketing here; it's about preservation of EQMac. Clearly that is lost on you.

[Secrets]

We have contributed maps and lua back to the project.

https://github.com/EQMacEmu/eqmacemu-maps/commit/9b93d07c7ecc4b839381ae7831fb7acdffd73255

https://github.com/EQMacEmu/peqmacquests/commit/9a3c760d49f0224fba3456643c7410ae75dca1a5

https://github.com/EQMacEmu/peqmacquests/commit/3eb56181541d6eb3422f960f58f8245968de992a

Ive also promised rob our velious armor scripts.

None of this was used by rob, per his own words.

[jetviper21]

None of this was used by rob, per his own words.

Well non of it has been reverted in the git repository so that can't be true. And whether he used it or not isn't even the argument you are trying to make. You said we don't contribute and I just proved we did. They were even merged upstream. Git does not lie it gives a very clear history of code changes

[apio]

I am sure P2002's content dev has had sleepless nights because Rob didn't use his stuff.

[apio]

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=783 Gnome Race 2015

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1061 Open Plane of Fear Raid

Something positive instead of all the negativity!

[Furst]

I like turtles

[jetviper21]

And i want to get a few things straight. I have the upmost respect for Cavedude, Rob, Secrets and Haynar for the work they have done for eqmacemu. I don't see why the hostility exists words p2002 you should be flattered we are using your work to run a server that people enjoy.

Sure some people in this thread like to stir the pot but for the most part I have been civil and contribute upstream whenever possible. Im sure we would offer database changes upstream if there was a sane way to manage database diff's but our allaclone is verbose for that reason tak's dev can get what ever they need from that and I count that as a contribution. Torven even mentioned that he was looking at it the other day. Although as usual he used it as an example to drag us through the mud with an agenda.

We (I atleast) have no negative agenda words tak project and its quite curious as to why they have a negative agenda towards us. Every time we show up in a thread like this it is to defend ourselves against some wild accusation that is biased against us.

P2002 is just another fan run emu server that just happens to run the eqmacemu code base. Why is that even an issue. There have been hundreds of eqemu servers over the years using PEQ's code and database as a starting point.

[erog84]

And i want to get a few things straight. I have the upmost respect for Cavedude, Rob, Secrets and Haynar for the work they have done for eqmacemu. I don't see why the hostility exists words p2002 you should be flattered we are using your work to run a server that people enjoy.

Sure some people in this thread like to stir the pot but for the most part I have been civil and contribute upstream whenever possible. Im sure we would offer database changes upstream if there was a sane way to manage database diff's but our allaclone is verbose for that reason tak's dev can get what ever they need from that and I count that as a contribution. Torven even mentioned that he was looking at it the other day. Although as usual he used it as an example to drag us through the mud with an agenda.

We (I atleast) have no negative agenda words tak project and its quite curious as to why they have a negative agenda towards us. Every time we show up in a thread like this it is to defend ourselves against some wild accusation that is biased against us.

P2002 is just another fan run emu server that just happens to run the eqmacemu code base. Why is that even an issue. There have been hundreds of eqemu servers over the years using PEQ's code and database as a starting point.

+1, no need to sling crap around, if you want to do that (for EITHER server), take it somewhere else IMO.

[Secrets]

It's not an issue to me. I was simply defending myself when needlessly provoked, yet again, by P2002.

I didn't know (nor honestly care) about your drama with Haynar, quite frankly, I don't think anyone does.

[surron]

#CloseDownTakpSource2015 #p2002WouldCrumble

[BossThunderace]

#CloseDownTakpSource2015 #p2002WouldCrumble

^ Plays on TAKP

I wasn't aware anyone gave two shits what the player counts were.

TAKP has 78-100 on weekends, P2002 has 30-80ish on average on the same days. I don't think there's anything to be upset about here on either sides - that is healthy for a small community in both regards.

I don't think we need to grasp at straws here - on either side. The hostility from day 1 is unwarranted.

It's clearly obvious you guys feel threatened by TAKP because they have people you don't like, and vice versa. No one cares and the competitive mentality is killing both of these communities. EQMac never was about competing servers, it was about 2-3 guilds (Temerity, Destiny, The Horde primarily) and they all got along somehow.

Do you really know why the EQMac server went to hell? Here's a history lesson: P1999 players went over to EQMac.



Sorry, I wasn't aware that this project was all content and no code. A majority of the time spent on TAKP lately was fixing the stuff that was mechanically wrong - see Torven's work, cavedude's work, Haynar's work, my work, etc...

I'd be in favor of close sourcing the code and database beyond what's available - it's obvious P2002 doesn't want to contribute and wants to destroy our community judging by the hostilities shown here. Three of their developers grasp at straws and attack Haynar unprovoked. What kind of bullshit is that?

^ Plays on TAKP

Silk Swatch for FBSS Challenge (http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1046)

^ Plays on P2002

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=783 Gnome Race 2015

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1061 Open Plane of Fear Raid

Something positive instead of all the negativity!

^ Plays on P2002

naw havent logged in since March? I'm enjoying myself on red atm

#CloseItDownTorven

^ Still trolling

[surron]

naw havent logged in since March? I'm enjoying myself on red atm

#CloseItDownTorven

[BossThunderace]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1d3niMeux1qarma0o1_500.jpg

^ this kid seems threatened by my

#CloseDownTakpSource2015

maybe he understands the consequences for p2002

http://www.flpno.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Trolls.jpg

[surron]

^ this kid seems threatened by my

#CloseDownTakpSource2015

maybe he understands the consequences for p2002

[apio]

I think P2002 would do just fine. But those are empty threats anyway because it goes against the idea of their project. I don't see the EQMac Emu project becoming closed source. Cavedude and Robregen (who I consider the core of the project) would never allow that to happen. They couldn't care less about the drama secrets or torven or haynar are trying to create here

[surron]

Haynar is just answering questions and offering his opinion. Not really a candidate for starting drama. Secrets is defending p2002 lol so idk why you think he's rehashing drama and Torven hasn't even posted today.


You could say im stirring the pot with my hashtags

however your to blame too, with quotes like this, which is slander without evidence.

Haynar abusing his Mod powers once again.

[apio]

He deleted his own (dumb) post, which prompted furst's reply that was quoted above, something a regular poster can't do. So Haynar abusing his mod powers is actually spot on.

Slander without evidence? You mean like Haynar's last comment? Get real, kiddo :)

It will probably disappear soon like the other one has. And this thread will be closed like the other one has been. Haynar doesn't like to lose face on the forums. After all he is the one trolling us, right?

[surron]

you need to take a look in the mirror brahj you've been cooking up drama since day 1 of takp

[Secrets]

Just... wow. This is retarded, no one cares about your drama, keep it off the P1999 forums and throw mud at each other on a place where someone actually gives a shit.

[Secrets]

I think P2002 would do just fine. But those are empty threats anyway because it goes against the idea of their project. I don't see the EQMac Emu project becoming closed source. Cavedude and Robregen (who I consider the core of the project) would never allow that to happen. They couldn't care less about the drama secrets or torven or haynar are trying to create here

I'm not trying to create drama at all; not sure what gave you that impression. I have no reason to help those who do not want to be helped.

I hope a forum moderator bans the lot of you from posting here. This is some serious forumquesting that doesn't need to be here.

[apio]

You know what I am talking about. You have stirred the pot in this very thread, as well as on rerolled. Why is it that you guys seem to suffer selective amnesia every time you lose an argument on the forums?

[Secrets]

You know what I am talking about. You have stirred the pot in this very thread, as well as on rerolled. Why is it that you guys seem to suffer selective amnesia every time you lose an argument on the forums?

I thought we put all of this behind us. Forgive me for assuming wrong.

[Pokesan]

In what sense is either server a recreation of Al'kabor with a million manastones, guises, and rubicite armor floating about?

[BossThunderace]

I thought we put all of this behind us. Forgive me for assuming wrong.


It's ok Secrets. Everything is going to be alright.

[BossThunderace]

In what sense is either server a recreation of Al'kabor with a million manastones, guises, and rubicite armor floating about?

LOL.. "a million manastones, guises, and rubicite armor" floating around either server.

A fine example of disillusion.







Gnome Race 2015 - will you be the Champion of Ak'Anon?

[Pokesan]

LOL.. "a million manastones, guises, and rubicite armor" floating around either server.

A fine example of disillusion.







Gnome Race 2015 - will you be the Champion of Ak'Anon?

Well, how many are there? How many were on Al'kabor?

How many of your characters have guise?

[BossThunderace]

Pokesan, you've been dismissed as a troll in previous threads/post.

[Pokesan]

You not liking my opinion does not make me a troll, my good chum.

Care to answer the question?

[apio]

Not sure how many guises there are on P2002, they dropped before P2002 released Kunark so everyone had access to them. On TAK a lot of them were given out for bug reports.

AFAIK there is only 1 rubi BP on TAK, and thats is the only rubicite armor on either server, also 0 manastones

There were at least 2 manastones on the original Al Kabor, but I have no idea about Rubicite armor and guises.

posting wrong information =! opinion

:)

My Bard (my only character) has a Mask of Deception !

[BossThunderace]

Pokesan, you've been dismissed as a troll in previous threads/post.

You not liking my opinion does not make me a troll, my good chum.

Care to answer the question?

[apio]

I thought we put all of this behind us. Forgive me for assuming wrong.

well forgive me for assuming you were back on it when you were defending Haynar's obvious troll post and posting this crap:

I'd be in favor of close sourcing the code and database beyond what's available - it's obvious P2002 doesn't want to contribute and wants to destroy our community judging by the hostilities shown here. Three of their developers grasp at straws and attack Haynar unprovoked. What kind of bullshit is that?

This thread was rather peaceful until Haynar rolled in and posted a bunch of crap. If you have a problem with that you should talk to him.

[Speedz]

Not sure how many guises there are on P2002, they dropped before P2002 released Kunark so everyone had access to them. On TAK a lot of them were given out for bug reports.

AFAIK there is only 1 rubi BP on TAK, and thats is the only rubicite armor on either server, also 0 manastones

There were at least 2 manastones on the original Al Kabor, but I have no idea about Rubicite armor and guises.

posting wrong information =! opinion

:)

My Bard (my only character) has a Mask of Deception !

This information is correct. In fact the one person that ever had a manastone had it in alpha and refused it for beta.

Also, salt fix is committed on dev with variable options for server admins that want to have their own level of security.

[Torven]

Oh wow, I'm popular.

So Secrets, then tell me. Why do Torven or you or Haynar feel the need to rehash this every few weeks? Like I have said, the developers of P2002 do NOT come to the TAK thread and try to stir up trouble
...
At least when Torven comes in here and spreads crap nobody give's a rats ass

I've posted in this thread all of two times (plus quick follow up replies to those posts) and the last time was 3 full months ago. You're probably confusing my posts here with the posts on our own message board-- which I know you guys love to read-- where in a few instances I responded to users asking why TAKP and P2002 differ.

To say that p2002 devs have never posted in TAKP's thread to 'stir up trouble' is one of your many lies. Wharhogg in fact started the trend of pointing out errors by publicly pointing out that we had hotzones enabled for some zones erroneously, in 'our' thread, so I returned the favor by listing some of yours. The second time I merely indicated that your database commits would be rejected if sharing them were feasible after you guys kept saying that you cannot contribute your database work. To say nothing of the constant bashing of TAKP staff members on anonymous accounts here from you guys while you were players on TAKP.

I feel sorry for your users, who play on a server that entirely exists as a form of revenge against Speedz who banned you and therefore could fold as soon as you grow bored of it. P2002 is in fact the perfect example of why most emus are closed source-- because disgruntled users could just take your years of work, start a new server overnight, out-advertise you and split your userbase. P2002 made virtually zero efforts to distinguish itself and copied TAKP's 3 box limit, PoK open, and leaving cats and iksar available. Your contributions back to us are absolutely minuscule. It's clear your goals were to spite TAKP and Speedz instead of providing something new to the community, and now the community suffers from a split userbase because of it. Not only is the community split, but half of them have to suffer an ez-mode database as well.

[Pokesan]

Oh wow, I'm popular.



I've posted in this thread all of two times (plus quick follow up replies to those posts) and the last time was 3 full months ago. You're probably confusing my posts here with the posts on our own message board-- which I know you guys love to read-- where in a few instances I responded to users asking why TAKP and P2002 differ.

To say that p2002 devs have never posted in TAKP's thread to 'stir up trouble' is one of your many lies. Wharhogg in fact started the trend of pointing out errors by publicly pointing out that we had hotzones enabled for some zones erroneously, in 'our' thread, so I returned the favor by listing some of yours. The second time I merely indicated that your database commits would be rejected if sharing them were feasible after you guys kept saying that you cannot contribute your database work. To say nothing of the constant bashing of TAKP staff members on anonymous accounts here from you guys while you were players on TAKP.

I feel sorry for your users, who play on a server that entirely exists as a form of revenge against Speedz who banned you and therefore could fold as soon as you grow bored of it. P2002 is in fact the perfect example of why most emus are closed source-- because disgruntled users could just take your years of work, start a new server overnight, out-advertise you and split your userbase. P2002 made virtually zero efforts to distinguish itself and copied TAKP's 3 box limit, PoK open, and leaving cats and iksar available. Your contributions back to us are absolutely minuscule. It's clear your goals were to spite TAKP and Speedz instead of providing something new to the community, and now the community suffers from a split userbase because of it. Not only is the community split, but half of them have to suffer an ez-mode database as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6zqHKd265E

[BossThunderace]

Oh wow, I'm popular.



I've posted in this thread all of two times (plus quick follow up replies to those posts) and the last time was 3 full months ago. You're probably confusing my posts here with the posts on our own message board-- which I know you guys love to read-- where in a few instances I responded to users asking why TAKP and P2002 differ.

To say that p2002 devs have never posted in TAKP's thread to 'stir up trouble' is one of your many lies. Wharhogg in fact started the trend of pointing out errors by publicly pointing out that we had hotzones enabled for some zones erroneously, in 'our' thread, so I returned the favor by listing some of yours. The second time I merely indicated that your database commits would be rejected if sharing them were feasible after you guys kept saying that you cannot contribute your database work. To say nothing of the constant bashing of TAKP staff members on anonymous accounts here from you guys while you were players on TAKP.

I feel sorry for your users, who play on a server that entirely exists as a form of revenge against Speedz who banned you and therefore could fold as soon as you grow bored of it. P2002 is in fact the perfect example of why most emus are closed source-- because disgruntled users could just take your years of work, start a new server overnight, out-advertise you and split your userbase. P2002 made virtually zero efforts to distinguish itself and copied TAKP's 3 box limit, PoK open, and leaving cats and iksar available. Your contributions back to us are absolutely minuscule. It's clear your goals were to spite TAKP and Speedz instead of providing something new to the community, and now the community suffers from a split userbase because of it. Not only is the community split, but half of them have to suffer an ez-mode database as well.

always interesting to see "adults" squabble hundreds of miles away on an eq emu forum.

Ego is an illuminating topic here as Devs from both sides seem to consistently disagree.

Be the bigger person and say - let the past be & move forward. all this back and forth nonsense is childish. We may have played EQ when we were kids, but that was many moons ago, lets at least pretend we've matured since then.




This thread is about p2002 and the people who want to share their positive gaming experience with other players.

p2002 is in Kunark.. the small community is awesome and constantly growing.

[apio]

Oh wow, I'm popular.



I've posted in this thread all of two times (plus quick follow up replies to those posts) and the last time was 3 full months ago. You're probably confusing my posts here with the posts on our own message board-- which I know you guys love to read-- where in a few instances I responded to users asking why TAKP and P2002 differ.

To say that p2002 devs have never posted in TAKP's thread to 'stir up trouble' is one of your many lies. Wharhogg in fact started the trend of pointing out errors by publicly pointing out that we had hotzones enabled for some zones erroneously, in 'our' thread, so I returned the favor by listing some of yours. The second time I merely indicated that your database commits would be rejected if sharing them were feasible after you guys kept saying that you cannot contribute your database work. To say nothing of the constant bashing of TAKP staff members on anonymous accounts here from you guys while you were players on TAKP.

I feel sorry for your users, who play on a server that entirely exists as a form of revenge against Speedz who banned you and therefore could fold as soon as you grow bored of it. P2002 is in fact the perfect example of why most emus are closed source-- because disgruntled users could just take your years of work, start a new server overnight, out-advertise you and split your userbase. P2002 made virtually zero efforts to distinguish itself and copied TAKP's 3 box limit, PoK open, and leaving cats and iksar available. Your contributions back to us are absolutely minuscule. It's clear your goals were to spite TAKP and Speedz instead of providing something new to the community, and now the community suffers from a split userbase because of it. Not only is the community split, but half of them have to suffer an ez-mode database as well.

Another fine example of the TAK staff coming in here to shit on P2002 and spread misinformation. Let me just correct a few things here:

- Every single post you have made in this thread has been exactly like this one, thanks for proving my point for me. There was also a second thread which has since been closed by Haynar (1 of the TAK developers) because our server was getting too much attention. Which brings the total of your shit posts up to more than 7. Stop trying to rewrite history

- As you have pointed out, your misinformation campaign isn't limited to shitting up this thread. You also like to spread misinformation about us and lie to your new members when they ask you something on your forum. Something you will not see on the P2002 forums, we have way too much respect for our members. If people do not want to play on our server, we see no reason to make them.

- As wharhogg pointed out, we were very thankful for your "bug reports". You on the other hand never thanked us for his contribution, without which you probably would still be giving out quad exp in multiple zones. So much for the more authentic EverQuest experience

- You are right in that former players of TAK who are now playing on P2002 used to come to this forum to air their problems, since they were censored on the TAK forums it was the logical next step. From the moment the P2002 staff started working on their server those posts stopped. It was never about destroying TAK, but about saving it. Once people realized your shit box is never going to change and found another place to play, they forgot about your server pretty quickly. It is also why none of the P2002 players ever post on the TAK thread. They couldn't care less.

- Our server was created so people who had been bullied off of your box would have a place to play, not everyone wants to just raid casually, but you have fostered an environment in which you have to either agree with the notion that everyone (regardless of how much time they put into the game) should have the same access to everything, or be ridiculed by the community. Our players are very thankful for what we provide them.

- Speedz is the only person who split the playerbase - By running his server like the Democratic Republic of North Korea. Which is funny, because both systems are fake democracies in which censorship and propaganda are the cornerstones.

- All information about my unjustified ban have been since removed from your forums, even the lengthy explanation of why I was banned. I guess after a few weeks passed even Speedz realized how idiotic it was. Knowing the way you guys operate I have kept a copy for the records (https://imgur.com/vf31rmf). To this day my appeals for getting unbanned fall on deaf ears, despite not a single shred of evidence of my "crimes". I even gave one of the GMs access to all my private messages. You would think that by now they would have at least made the effort to fake some of the incriminating tells and private messages that I allegedly had been sending. Instead, Speedz decided to delete my profile page from the forums, so I do not appear on the Members page anymore (http://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php?members/).

Why, I do not know. Probably because even after I have been banned from the forums and absent for 8 months, I would still be position 3 in the post count and any and all proof that ANH ever contributed to your server has to be eliminated, so you can keep on spinning your story on how P2002 is just stealing from you.

Here is one of my bug reports, to prove I actually existed, including my postcount:

http://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php?threads/zone-line-issue-sol-a-sol-b.2401/

I do exist, and I did contribute. Not to mention all the other ANH members who have been huge contributors to your project:

- furst (http://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php?members/furst.112/) 365 posts
- wharhogg (http://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php?members/wharhogg.100/) - 334 posts
- stairs (http://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php?members/stairs.94/) - 137 posts

I would post my new account as well, I am already way over 100 posts, most of which are bug reports - But you would just ban me and make me jump through 100 more hoops before I could continue contributing to the project.

And let me just make 1 thing absolutely clear, since you refuse to get it:

It's clear your goals were to spite TAKP and Speedz instead of providing something new to the community, and now the community suffers from a split userbase because of it

P2002s goals are to provide an EQ Experience set in the PoP era, with 0 gm intervention. The only rules enforced are the PNP from live. The staff of P2002 has no interest in controlling how their players play the game. They believe adults should be able to maturely solve their own disputes, and they do not believe in what you guys are doing over on TAK. They are providing the EQ experience to people who would have no joy playing on your server. On top of that they have fostered a welcoming environment that makes it an enjoyable place to roll a new character.

Since you are sitting over in North Korea, we understand if you don't get it. You can keep spewing your propaganda while the rest of the world laughs at you.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Which brings the total of your shit posts up to more than 7. Stop trying to rewrite history

This made me giggle.

7 whole posts in a 625 post thread. Geebus Christouskowitz Torven is obv obsessed with your server!

[Itap]

Can we lock/remove this thread? It's become nothing more than a shit show between Everquest Emulator Devs.

[surron]

I feel sorry for your users, who play on a server that entirely exists as a form of revenge against Speedz who banned you and therefore could fold as soon as you grow bored of it.


This kinda reminds me how the p2002 devs had a guild on TAKP, which plenty of members (including me) spent their own personal hours building up the guild and helping members and then one day they decide to disband the guild and start their own server because apio had a tantrum.



If they can dump their guild like its nothing and shit on their members /played, I wonder what that means for their server.

[apio]

I think if there is one thing you can critique about armed and hammered is that we basically invited everyone who wanted to join us. Even pieces of shit like you who instead of standing up for their guild mates decided to stab them in the back and jump on the p2002 hater band wagon because of a perceived slight. You know, Aka throwing a tantrum. Maybe if you did the right thing you would still have friends to play with. As it stands right now you're just the perfect example of the kind of people we left behind on tak.

[Wharhog]

33 players right now. Granted it's also 1:17 EST on a Thursday. How is it on weekends? And are there guilds killing bosses?

Last night Powerslave had 57 at Trak kill, was 23 RL players by IP.

[surron]

I think if there is one thing you can critique about armed and hammered is that we basically invited everyone who wanted to join us. Even pieces of shit like you who instead of standing up for their guild mates decided to stab them in the back and jump on the p2002 hater band wagon because of a perceived slight. You know, Aka throwing a tantrum. Maybe if you did the right thing you would still have friends to play with. As it stands right now you're just the perfect example of the kind of people we left behind on tak.


trust me im glad im not your friend bra


your group of friends were bottom feeder p99 rejects which shitted up eqmac, then you shitted up takp, now your shitting up your own server.


who would want to play on a server where apio is the Dev/GM/Player I mean just look at this kids posts on p99. you should do a better job of representing your server.

[Wharhog]

Good thing Apio just plays here.

[apio]

trust me im glad im not your friend bra


your group of friends were bottom feeder p99 rejects which shitted up eqmac, then you shitted up takp, now your shitting up your own server.


yet you are throwing a fit about us leaving you behind.

who would want to play on a server where apio is the Dev/GM/Player I mean just look at this kids posts on p99. you should do a better job of representing your server.


I think I am doing a fine job representing our server. You are doing a fine job representing a loser nobody wants in his guild. I still have a lot of friends who play on TAK, and none of them are crying around because we left them there. They all found a new place and are enjoying their time on the server.

[surron]

naw wasnt really about a couple neckbeard virgins leaving anyone behind it was about your ability to remoreslessly shit on your members

[apio]

naw wasnt really about a couple neckbeard virgins leaving anyone behind it was about your ability to remoreslessly shit on your members

Hotchkiss' seven deadly sins of narcissism

Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.

Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.

Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.

Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.

Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.

Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.

Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.

When the shoe fits, seek therapy

[surron]

Ganser syndrome[edit]
Ganser syndrome was once considered a separate factitious disorder. The patient suffers from approximation or giving absurd answers to simple questions. The syndrome is sometimes diagnosed as merely malingering—however, it is more often defined as a factitious disorder. This has been seen in prisoners following solitary confinement, and the symptoms are consistent in different prisons, though the patients do not know one another.[citation needed]

Symptoms include a clouding of consciousness, somatic conversion symptoms, confusion, stress, loss of personal identity, echolalia, and echopraxia. Individuals also give approximate answers to simple questions such as, "How many legs on a cat?" "Three"; "What's the day after Wednesday?" "Friday"; and so on. The disorder is extraordinarily rare with fewer than 100 recorded cases. While individuals of all backgrounds have been reported with the disorder, there is a higher inclination towards males (75% or more). The average age of those with Ganser syndrome is 32, though it stretches from ages 15–62 years old.

[sOurDieSel]

Now children, is big dawg SD gonna have to step in here and lay down the law like a boss?!?!

[Champion_Standing]

Haynar stop abusing us plz

[Champion_Standing]

I'm jk bro this thread shoulda been in RnF a long time ago keep up the good work

[apio]

Thanks for leaving no doubt about your intentions here, Haynar. Post a bunch of lies in a thread and then close it/move it because people point out your bullshit. You are not fooling anyone, you know.

I called it, too

[apio]

So you moved it in here so you can take this down to the level of a 1st grader? I feel sorry for you.

You abused your mod powers to bury another thread of the competition, grats on that!

[Pokesan]

Operation Orpheus successful. Enemy thread banished to a dark oblivion.

Awaiting new orders, Fuhrer Haynar

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Welcome to RNF, fatties. It's that time again! Post your weight. I'll start. I'm 180 pounds or 81.646 kilograms for you overseas fuckers.

How fat are YOU?

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Fatter than your skinny ass.

Come on, biggun, don't be shy. 8)

[Haynar]

Its up after a summer of eatin crappy food. Sittin around 190. Time to start back up the P90X.

[Wharhog]

Ohh RnF.....mas well cap this thread off in the correct way.

https://media.giphy.com/media/PSBkfJO9zUpyg/giphy.gif

[xate]

P2002 made virtually zero efforts to distinguish itself and copied TAKP's 3 box limit, PoK open, and leaving cats and iksar available.

But then why is it's name copied from p99 as if leading on they were a progression server like them? Oh well, could be any other reasons other than lazyness I suppose. It's not like they are reverting pet pulling commits or increasing the duration of calm or anything that would make the game ridiculously easy is it?

P2002s goals are to provide an EQ Experience set in the PoP era, with 0 gm intervention. The only rules enforced are the PNP from live. The staff of P2002 has no interest in controlling how their players play the game. They believe adults should be able to maturely solve their own disputes, and they do not believe in what you guys are doing over on TAK. They are providing the EQ experience to people who would have no joy playing on your server. On top of that they have fostered a welcoming environment that makes it an enjoyable place to roll a new character.

Is there more than 1 guild on p2002 yet? If not, I am interested in hearing how things turn out between them. When the devs of p2002 ran a guild on TAKP, they did not mesh well with the other guilds there at all, one of them (Wharhogg) even became so angry when another guild killed Vox on dragon patch week (his guild left it up half the week so more people could get DKP on a Sunday) that he threatened TAKP administration to immediately begin enforcing a rotation or else he would personally see an army of 25+ shadow knights made, or something, so it is interesting to see those same people now claiming to run a non-interference server.

[Pokesan]

Didn't know that. I thought they took their ball and went home because Speedz wouldn't them continue exploiting the dark elfs in kithicor

[BossThunderace]

When the devs of p2002 ran a guild on TAKP, they did not mesh well with the other guilds there at all, one of them (Wharhogg) even became so angry when another guild killed Vox on dragon patch week (his guild left it up half the week so more people could get DKP on a Sunday) that he threatened TAKP administration to immediately begin enforcing a rotation or else he would personally see an army of 25+ shadow knights made, or something, so it is interesting to see those same people now claiming to run a non-interference server.

This is where it started..some people from A&H went to Starvald, said members jumped a day or two before a planned A&H Vox Raid. Starvald exploited vox and got the kill 1 day before A&H planned raid. Also appeared that Starvaled boxed one of A&Hs mages for the kill. Next Vox pop, A&H is in prep room, Starvald jumps ahead and uses levi trick to get to vox backdoor. GM appears and says you cannot use levi trick to get to vox backdoor, and tells starvald to go to prep. A&H proceeds to clear IGs > Engages Vox > Wipes. Starvald jumps in and kills Vox during A&H wipe. GM shows up and resets Vox. i don't remember the details after that. This is essentially the start to takp drama + "GM enforced raid rot"

[BossThunderace]

Ohh RnF.....mas well cap this thread off in the correct way.

https://media.giphy.com/media/PSBkfJO9zUpyg/giphy.gif

[bloodmuffin]

Last night Powerslave had 57 at Trak kill, was 23 RL players by IP.

Boxing, PoK, Shitty GM's, what more could you want? Come on over!

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Boxing, PoK, Shitty GM's, what more could you want? Come on over!

PvP

[xate]

This is where it started..some people from A&H went to Starvald, said members jumped a day or two before a planned A&H Vox Raid. Starvald exploited vox and got the kill 1 day before A&H planned raid. Also appeared that Starvaled boxed one of A&Hs mages for the kill. Next Vox pop, A&H is in prep room, Starvald jumps ahead and uses levi trick to get to vox backdoor. GM appears and says you cannot use levi trick to get to vox backdoor, and tells starvald to go to prep. A&H proceeds to clear IGs > Engages Vox > Wipes. Starvald jumps in and kills Vox during A&H wipe. GM shows up and resets Vox. i don't remember the details after that. This is essentially the start to takp drama + "GM enforced raid rot"

Your details are a little muddied with time, it was more like both A&H and SD were in the King area when Vox window was due, with 1 or 2 ultra-bored players on both sides playing around with levitate when the GM came along and asked both sides not to do it. After a short while A&H suicide & ressed past the 4 mobs between king and the rock to Vox's lair, Vox coincidentally spawned shortly after they finished that manouver.

SD, who was a guild with 4-5 people in it who had already resigned themselves to probably hardly ever getting any dragon kills with the behemoth A&H on the server, proceeded with their strategy of implied pressure and tactically bunny-hopped a&h at the boulder, after clearing up from king while a&h cleared the giants in the lair. The plan worked perfectly, a&h paniced and Main Tank the Warlord led a flimsy poorly executed charge on Vox with most of the guild still sitting around outside in prep. After the dust settled, SD went back in (after falling back on the a&h engage) to fight Vox in a 4 minute fight cause of their low #s, the entire time in which A&H was petitioning and /tell'ing the GMs trying to pretend that normal codes of conduct on EQ emus insist that the guild to clear the lair of giants has some kind of kill window, which they eventually succeeded in as the GMs #kill'd vox as SD was about to finish her and began enforcing rotation discussions.

I'm not as familiar with the (unrelated) banning events that happened, but the bans were still probably the major part of the reason the a&h officers left the server though, understandably.

[Rivthis]

Boxing, PoK, Shitty GM's, what more could you want? Come on over!

Fuck P2002 bunch of pussies

https://tangerinefl.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/tumblr_lqnb93espt1qecsaao1_500.jpg


Above imagine is about how many real people play on p2002.

[Haynar]

I am not a GM there. But my understanding rotations were to be player run, gm supported. Something fell apart with the "player run" part. The players just basically were unable to come to agrrements in setting up the rotations. I heard several versions of this. Including certain guilds deciding it was in their power to decide who is allowed in the rotation. GM support stepped in and set up the rotations. Players finally worked things out and they mostly take care if their own rotations now I think.

[snoopdog]

I recommend that p2002 move back to main code base, as it is turning the server to crap. Keep your own db development. There will be too many disagreements between content devs there.

Haynar

I wondered from when p2002 opened why they used the TakProject code and database? From the Era that p2002 is supposed to represent it would have seemed better to use the EqEmu source and then use the TakProject database, or even EqEmu database. I am to the understanding that p2002 is restricted to the Trilogy client correct? That would not seem to fit what a player would want? I can totally understand why the TakProject uses the Trilogy client, but not p2002.

Stripping the database of content or adding content is both very tedious, but it can be done. I am just wondering why the TakProject source was used for this particular project.

[BossThunderace]

I thought this thread got moved to R&F? What is going on here

[snoopdog]

I thought this thread got moved to R&F? What is going on here

I keep reading that too, but it is in Off-Topic. Thread ping-pong?

[Keykey]

Very disappointed the direction this thread went.

Server is zero drama which is why I picked it and one of the reasons I know it will succeed.

Still having lots of fun on the server. Have not met one single jerk in my many hours of playing on Project 2002.

I'm quite experienced in dealing with jerks on other servers.

[apio]

Your details are a little muddied with time, it was more like both A&H and SD were in the King area when Vox window was due, with 1 or 2 ultra-bored players on both sides playing around with levitate when the GM came along and asked both sides not to do it. After a short while A&H suicide & ressed past the 4 mobs between king and the rock to Vox's lair, Vox coincidentally spawned shortly after they finished that manouver.

SD, who was a guild with 4-5 people in it who had already resigned themselves to probably hardly ever getting any dragon kills with the behemoth A&H on the server, proceeded with their strategy of implied pressure and tactically bunny-hopped a&h at the boulder, after clearing up from king while a&h cleared the giants in the lair. The plan worked perfectly, a&h paniced and Main Tank the Warlord led a flimsy poorly executed charge on Vox with most of the guild still sitting around outside in prep. After the dust settled, SD went back in (after falling back on the a&h engage) to fight Vox in a 4 minute fight cause of their low #s, the entire time in which A&H was petitioning and /tell'ing the GMs trying to pretend that normal codes of conduct on EQ emus insist that the guild to clear the lair of giants has some kind of kill window, which they eventually succeeded in as the GMs #kill'd vox as SD was about to finish her and began enforcing rotation discussions.

I'm not as familiar with the (unrelated) banning events that happened, but the bans were still probably the major part of the reason the a&h officers left the server though, understandably.

You are describing the incident that occurred a week after the scenario that you are commenting on: The first Vox respawn. She wouldn't have been "due" if nobody had killed her the week prior :)

The first Vox kill was indeed only possible because 2 of our members jumped ship without explanation the evening before our planned raid (at the time we were the only guild capable of killing Naggy and Vox), and joined Starvald. They then used another of our guildmember's mage boxes to get enough firepower to get the server first with another guild. Very poor sportsmanship indeed.

Just wanted to point out why there's confusion, it's 2 separate incidents

[apio]

I wondered from when p2002 opened why they used the TakProject code and database? From the Era that p2002 is supposed to represent it would have seemed better to use the EqEmu source and then use the TakProject database, or even EqEmu database. I am to the understanding that p2002 is restricted to the Trilogy client correct? That would not seem to fit what a player would want? I can totally understand why the TakProject uses the Trilogy client, but not p2002.

Stripping the database of content or adding content is both very tedious, but it can be done. I am just wondering why the TakProject source was used for this particular project.

TAKProject and P2002 both use the era appropriate client. AFAIK P99 was the only emulator who ever wanted to go for Trilogy client, but due to it's technical limitations and accessibility last I have heard they are probably going to stick with the Titanium client.

The TAK/P2002 client is in many ways more classic than the Titanium client

[snoopdog]

TAKProject and P2002 both use the era appropriate client. AFAIK P99 was the only emulator who ever wanted to go for Trilogy client, but due to it's technical limitations and accessibility last I have heard they are probably going to stick with the Titanium client.

The TAK/P2002 client is in many ways more classic than the Titanium client

I was just curious, because there is the occasional complaint about the client.

[apio]

I was just curious, because there is the occasional complaint about the client.

Yeah, it is one of the big reasons why P99 wouldn't switch to Trilogy Client at this point. It is a year older than the client used on P2002, and has even less options and stability, and offers even less functionality. If you think having no mousewheel scroll is bad, how about just using 1 chat window, etc. I reckon a lot of people would quit if P99 forced them to play on the Trilogy client

[Wharhog]

The client issue is that this jan 2002 client is the only one that has ever been made Mac compatible. Reverse engineering a client is much harder than doing a database revamp. Love em or hate em Secrets deserves serious props for the skill it takes to do what was done with the client we all use.

[snoopdog]

Yeah, it is one of the big reasons why P99 wouldn't switch to Trilogy Client at this point. It is a year older than the client used on P2002, and has even less options and stability, and offers even less functionality. If you think having no mousewheel scroll is bad, how about just using 1 chat window, etc. I reckon a lot of people would quit if P99 forced them to play on the Trilogy client

I just cannot do it. Plus the newer clients seem to be more stable. I cannot tell you how many times the older clients crashed on me. But on the other side of the coin, the older clients do have some nice nostalgic value to them.

[Wharhog]

Yea, I just really wish we had the newer net code ....that would make things night and day

[apio]

I think there is still room for improvement on the netcode side. As for the stability of the client: It is not really intended for boxing (Sony added that functionality at a later point) so having the client run natively (in full screen mode) would probably help immensely with stability. However you would also lose the chance to tab out to do something else, and won't be able to box. I do not remember EQW at the time as being a very stable way to run EQ, it comes as no surprise this hasn't changed: WinEQ2 was released once EQ switched to the newer version of Direct X (from 8 to 9 iirc) and nobody continued development on the outdated EQW that is being used on TAK and P2002.

Just wish someone would come along who could code a more stable alternative to EQW.exe. You could include such things as FPS limiter and Customizable hotkeys, and the servers would be instantly much more accessible.

[snoopdog]

I think there is still room for improvement on the netcode side.

Have you guys thought about shifting gears here and either integrating in some of the EqEmu source to at least allow up to Underfoot? Or possibly full EqEmu source and use your current database?

[xate]

I actually quite enjoy the older client that TAKP (and p2002) use compared to the Titanium client others like p99 use. If somehow a new EQW container would be available, I think it would be the superior emu client hands down.

The list of pros for the older client is longer than the list of cons imo but I guess they are subjective. Among other things, theres no "WoW cam" (the mouse-scroll behind-the-shoulder camera that didn't exist in classic EQ) and zone/loading times are blazing ultra fast.

[snoopdog]

I actually quite enjoy the older client that TAKP (and p2002) use compared to the Titanium client others like p99 use. If somehow a new EQW container would be available, I think it would be the superior emu client hands down.

The list of pros for the older client is longer than the list of cons imo but I guess they are subjective. Among other things, theres no "WoW cam" (the mouse-scroll behind-the-shoulder camera that didn't exist in classic EQ) and zone/loading times are blazing ultra fast.

Is that client what EqEmu used to call the 6.2 client?

[xate]

Just wanted to point out why there's confusion, it's 2 separate incidents

Not sure what confusion you're referring to, I was simply correcting BossThunderace's inaccurate history that Vox was "exploited" by starvald, presuming he referred to our week 2 kill, but works for our week 1 kill too.

(at the time we were the only guild capable of killing Naggy and Vox)

That's a silly thing to say on a triple boxing server about such an easy mob (unless you're the only guild on the server), but it would explain where the exploiting rumours probably started from.

[xate]

Is that client what EqEmu used to call the 6.2 client?

I don't know enough to know :(. There's no install files for this client either, it seems like you can only acquire it in pre-installed varieties, which some folks might not like, but I guess its because its a hacked together client to run on the original sony EQmac server.

[apio]

Not sure what confusion you're referring to, I was simply correcting BossThunderace's inaccurate history that Vox was "exploited" by starvald, presuming he referred to our week 2 kill, but works for our week 1 kill too.


IIRC those Vox kills both were only possible because pets inside walls were not getting hit by Vox Cold AE and Fears. But that's just what the GM team at the time were telling us. I wasn't present at either of those kills.



That's a silly thing to say on a triple boxing server about such an easy mob (unless you're the only guild on the server), but it would explain where the exploiting rumours probably started from.

It is a perfectly valid thing to say, seeing as you recruited two of our level 60 members (boxing 6 characters in total, including an extra Mage that didn't belong to your guild, or those 2 players) before you attempted Vox.

Thanks to that, we will never truly know whether or not you would have been able to down Vox at that point. But the fact that you did NOT prior to recruiting from our ranks, and the fact that your server first kill includes a Mage with the <Armed & Hammered> tag is painting quite a picture.

[xate]

IIRC those Vox kills both were only possible because pets inside walls were not getting hit by Vox Cold AE and Fears. But that's just what the GM team at the time were telling us. I wasn't present at either of those kills.

It is unfortunate that melee push code wasn't put in at the time, which does dramatically lessen the effectiveness of pets on Vox, but hardly evidence that she wouldn't have been killable by us, especially when we still kill her with roughly the same numbers and class composition even though pets are feared most of the fight.

The "recruiting from our guild" is conveniantly leaving lots out of context. A&H had a strategy of recruiting everyone on the server they could, supposedly so they could be "the only guild capable of killing naggy or vox" by way of having 80%+ of the 50s tagged. Unfortunately this was a double edged sword, why would your best players stay and share loot with a mass of people when there's other options? Picking off your best players was as easy as a one line /tell, fair game is fair game.

[apio]

The "recruiting from our guild" is conveniantly leaving lots out of context. A&H had a strategy of recruiting everyone on the server they could, supposedly so they could be "the only guild capable of killing naggy or vox" by way of having 80%+ of the 50s tagged. Unfortunately this was a double edged sword, why would your best players stay and share loot with a mass of people when there's other options? Picking off your best players was as easy as a one line /tell, fair game is fair game.

I am sure besides being pissed off about the obvious backstabbing and bad sportsmanship on the server first, nobody in our guild really was upset about those people leaving after the fact. If your only answer to a difference in opinion is to betray your guild for a chance at pixels, you are obviously a terrible guild mate and only in it for yourself. The fact that you seem to encourage this kind of behavior and would want these kind of people in your guild speaks volumes.

[Pokesan]

eqmac emu playerbase has a severe case of the sadbrains

[Lorian]

eqmac emu playerbase has a severe case of the sadbrains

You only see 'sadbrains' on this forum and its only between the devs (not the players). The P2002 community is chilled out and friendly in a way other eqemu server communities could only dream of, and I have tried a few before making p2002 my home.

[PlatLordlolz]

ive downloaded the client from the project 2002 page, ive created a forum account and a log in account. so now how do i log in to play the game?

[apio]

ive downloaded the client from the project 2002 page, ive created a forum account and a log in account. so now how do i log in to play the game?

Run the eqw.exe executable as an administrator (right click, run as administrator)

Gordlad has compiled a nice guide (http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=861) if you run into any problems that is the first place to look. If all else fails please don't hesitate to open a new thread on the technical support forums

[BossThunderace]

ive downloaded the client from the project 2002 page, ive created a forum account and a log in account. so now how do i log in to play the game?

I'm assuming you went here:

http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?7738-Project-2002-The-Age-of-Al-Kabor-release-date-3-21-15&p=1017027&viewfull=1#post1017027

I sense you will be rolling a gnome :)

[Lorian]

Platlord coming to P2002?? :P

[Greengrocer]

Tell me....

What kind of meat do you guys have on p2002?

[snoopdog]

Tell me....

What kind of meat do you guys have on p2002?

LOL

[Wharhog]

http://i.imgur.com/8vLMseb.png

[Greengrocer]

http://i.imgur.com/8vLMseb.png

Where do I sign up?

[Haynar]

Where do I sign up?

www.p2002.com

[BossThunderace]

www.p2002.com

[BossThunderace]

VPeak dead, I think someone had a twitch going. loot piñata :D

[Lorian]

Where do I sign up?

I've saved up some Mammoth Meat for ya, Mr Burglar. :)

[CWK]

yo homie, you left red? Just hit the stride to where i finally have internet life time again now lol.

[AzzarTheGod]

Can this thread be moved to RNF? It seems like it really wants to be on RNF.

Is this project just D-list diarrhea?

Can anyone provide any insight?

[Furst]

Na there is basically 0 d list diarrhea going on in the server

[Lenas]

P2002 is full of good people

[Keykey]

Is this project just D-list diarrhea?

Can anyone provide any insight?

The server is wonderful.

EVERYONE is very nice and fun. I hope it stays that way. I've decided recruiting from other Emu populations is not necessarily a good idea...unless those players are looking for a more peaceful, no drama experience.

Population is low...but I ALWAYS have others to group with, if I want to group. I didn't go out of my way to be social, but I've met a handful of regular players I enjoy playing with. Even if I don't group with them, I am welcome in voice chat or just text chat. OOC is the equivalent of a mellow guild chat.

I can visit my favorite places in the game and kill my favorite NPCs without waiting in line. I have never had a camp dispute or any dispute at all for that matter.

There is a 20% flat across the board exp bump. There are hot zones with higher ZEM that rotate. Those are listed here: http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=187

I've been playing on Project 2002 for two months.

[Zlain]

Blue or Red?

Don't care, too lazy.

[BossThunderace]

cheers to single boxers and newbies on p2002

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Are there any hot girls on p2002?

[strosz]

Would be a nice server, but 10 players online at off hours and 30-50 max is way too low for that many zones.

[Tollen]

Would be a nice server, but 10 players online at off hours and 30-50 max is way too low for that many zones.

For kunark? find that hard to believe we keep all raid targets dead.

PoP maybe but long ways from that and it will only grow by then.

[Pokesan]

any plans to implement http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6611 ?

Farmed him a few times, saw many of those items drop.

[Tollen]

Good question.

[sOurDieSel]

To my knowledge those items were disabled because they were considered a little to OP and easy to get compared to Classic/Kunark items. I think they are PoP era but they could be Luclin, most posts about them on ZAM are from 2001+.

If they were in on AK they will most likely be added to the database in the future.

[BossThunderace]

Are there any hot girls on p2002?

YES

[AzzarTheGod]

To my knowledge those items were disabled because they were considered a little to OP and easy to get compared to Classic/Kunark items. I think they are PoP era but they could be Luclin, most posts about them on ZAM are from 2001+.

If they were in on AK they will most likely be added to the database in the future.

To be perfectly honest they look top tier Kunark and your standard Velious raid boss fare to me?

Luclin and PoP top tier, not even close. Remember we are talking about top tier here.

Should be implemented with Velious but who knows, if its not classic and was intended to be a later era then I admit idk what Im talking about.

Those items can "fit" into top tier kunark, but some of the stat balances are just really good. The stats themselves are absolutely Kunark top tier status/velious era, theres no question about that.

The only OP thing is the stat balances and distribution on the items looks very attractive and possibly too OP if its not a raid target.

[sOurDieSel]

Mob is groupable not a raid target.

[Tollen]

I find evidence he was on AK, but not sure all those items were.

def velious tier items.

[BossThunderace]

Dear friends,

Ive had some fun times on the server multiple epic 60s, helping newbies to the server, helping newbies in only "raid" guild, and now it comes to an end with a ban. At this point it is clear to me that the staff on p2002 (not all) have lost their marbles in a fit of eq nerd rage.

The ultimate reason for the ban came down to the servers laughable GM event on Halloween. Where my group got the Exp for the last mob that was spawned. I /shouted all the loot, and then began looting items. For the person who is reading this post right now thinking wtf, why did you ninja loot pixels. To you I say, you had to be there, where other players were blatantly Ninja looting DE masks/guide packs from other mobs, looting the last mob seemed to me like FFA. Later I was told that it was FFA on all of the mobs execpt the one I got exp for.

The pixels that I looted included some guide packs and j boots. Before I logged off, I told my guild <Blind Faith> that I would random off 2 of my own dragon bags the next time we got together, giving back to the guild as usual. Well, we were able to get together last night and kill some Fire Giants, got some badass mith arms and rokyls crystal. forgot to divy out the dragon bags, rip.



So in the end,

I started on the server day 1 and it was a fun ride.

To the GMs of p2002 that will read this - A new wolf will rise in your house of hens. You banned the player who had the balls to stick up to your power trip, loot your pixels and make you cry irl.

since I have no plans of coming back to that shit of a server, some of player/GMs are

Fermer/Darkonites
Wharhogg/Boragar
Tolixs/Taian

All of whom are in the 'raiding' guild. jesus why did i spend this time on this box, "I can see clearly now the rain is gone" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FscIgtDJFXg)

GG

-Zeus

[apio]

The whole story doesn't make sense. You claim you are innocent and then say things like

You banned the player who had the balls to stick up to your power trip, loot your pixels and make you cry irl.

What does this even mean? Also, I am still not 100 % sure what actually happened. You ninja looted some items and then logged off? Why didn't they ban you right away? etc.

[erog84]

Causes countless drama in guild, gets booted from guild. Ninja loots from GM event on purpose to screw over everyone else, gets banned. Good riddance.

[sOurDieSel]

RIP

[B4EQWASCOOL]

YES

Screenshots or it didn't happen

[BossThunderace]

Causes countless drama in guild, gets booted from guild. Ninja loots from GM event on purpose to screw over everyone else, gets banned. Good riddance.

lol thanks for making me laugh at you

[BossThunderace]

RIP

big dawg, RIP, godspeed brah

[BossThunderace]

Screenshots or it didn't happen

ok i lied :(

[BossThunderace]

The whole story doesn't make sense. You claim you are innocent and then say things like



What does this even mean? Also, I am still not 100 % sure what actually happened. You ninja looted some items and then logged off? Why didn't they ban you right away? etc.

Sup lance hope you are doing well, in the states on oct31 its halloween, the event was on halloween, i had rl plans after the event was over so i shut down eq to do just that. RL plans. why didn't they ban me right away? great question, it was not made clear to me that the gm event was all FFA except the mob I killed, so people went on to ninja loot GM event pixels just the same as I did, I just happened to get the last one - that was and I quote, intended to be shared with everyone at the event- this is what fermer said to me in teamspeak this morning before banning me from that too lmao. Powerslave members- the cool ones know who you are-some don't really give a shit and just want pixels for themselves- the rest are a bunch of backstabbing nerds looking at you Dakbane.

[darkonites]

"Ninja Looting, don't do it. If you are in a group or raid taking items without giving others a fair shake will force GM interaction" taken directly from the rules.

[BossThunderace]

"Ninja Looting, don't do it. If you are in a group or raid taking items without giving others a fair shake will force GM interaction" taken directly from the rules.

^ GM event is a group or a raid? or FFA like Mugruk ninja looting a DE mask? I'm confused


sorry guys, if you want to get into the end game on p2002 prepare for sheepzerg guild / staff feeling validated in their RL situation by running this server

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2015/news/151116/katy-perry-800.jpg

[B4EQWASCOOL]

^ GM event is a group or a raid? or FFA like Mugruk ninja looting a DE mask? I'm confused

Fat

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

This thread got interesting.

[Cherry23]

Is there a pvp server ? I'd come if so.
I loved pop. The class aa's really made the classes fun !

[erog84]

Is there a pvp server ? I'd come if so.
I loved pop. The class aa's really made the classes fun !

You mean like improved harm touch! Manaburn was also really nice, but I remember on AK my wizard was pretty well geared and I think my manaburns were anywhere from 6k to 10k, or something like that. Normal nuke crits were getting up to around 5600 range, so it seemed like manaburn wasn't too effecient, but I guess if you just want that one shot kill it was still awesome. I'd be a ranger with a bow and just run around nonstop shooting people.

I played on red99 for awhile, but the environment there is just so toxic.

[Cherry23]

Is there a pvp server there ?

[erog84]

Is there a pvp server there ?

Uhh, you are posting on p99 forums. They host a PVP and a PVE server, sometimes referred to red99 and blue99, respectively. It is now in velious, with no intentions of going to luclin or POP as far as I am aware.

[Cherry23]

Oh I thought this thread was about some sort of p2002 server that was currently active, was wondering if they had a pvp server

[Pokesan]

oh eqmac-chan, you'll never not be hilarious

[Tollen]

Is there a pvp server there ?

For p2002 Currently no

[Greengrocer 2.0]

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1216

[burkemi5]

If this server had half the pop of p99, might be worthwhile. However, 50-100 at peak.. Eh you may as well play eqtitan. You're basically playing single player EQ at that point.

[Keykey]

If this server had half the pop of p99, might be worthwhile. However, 50-100 at peak.. Eh you may as well play eqtitan. You're basically playing single player EQ at that point.

High population is overrated.

It reads like you want to group. Grouping opportunities are available during prime time. Off peak it may be more difficult to find groupage at this time, but this server is in its infancy. It's not really a good reason to forgo getting a character started unless you absolutely can't enjoy the game without grouping.

The "no lines - no waiting" is amazing. A new player killed the So Ro AC .... WHILE PASSING THROUGH! This is how I remember it on live. So Ro AC was luck...not spawning. I killed a roaming Quillmane a couple weeks ago. The cloak didn't drop, but it was still exciting to find him alive, and roaming SK.

It is very likely your name choice is available! I named a character "Happy" just because I was so happy to be able to get my names on first try.

Small population allows us to know when new players join the server at which point we fawn over them offering our help, gear, and advice. We offer new players an invite to our newbie / leveling guild and voice communication if interested. We also respect those who want to get a feel for the server without interference.

There is a very active raid guild. While I don't participate, I know many of them through random alt grouping and their offer of assistance. Several offer "quests" to lower levels. Someone is offering a Lamentation for Celestial Essence. Another ran a lottery for a FBSS where you bought numbers with spider silk.

There are frequent planar pick up raids.

I learned something interesting last week. The original Sony Everquest Mac server had a population of 100 - 150 during prime time hours at its peak. I've determined when a server is small, the community is very tight.

I seriously am torn sharing my experiences. I joined the server wanting to escape the crowds. I don't want to fight for camps. I have plenty of players with which to group. My only reasons for attempting to promote the server are 1) because the project managers deserve recognition and I suspect they want a larger pop and 2) because I have an off-peak friend I would like to have group mates.

TLDR - There is a lot good about Project 2002 http://p2002.com/

[Cherry23]

I'd come if there was a pvp server

[surron]

Dear friends,


since I have no plans of coming back to that shit of a server, some of player/GMs are

Fermer/Darkonites
Wharhogg/Boragar
Tolixs/Taian

All of whom are in the 'raiding' guild. jesus why did i spend this time on this box,

GG

-Zeus

when you got the poster boy child for p2002 calling out the GMs man something smells fishy

[erog84]

We all wish the pop was higher, but the server is less than a year old. At this point it is going as well or better than expected, and velious is around the corner. I foresee the pop getting to a point in velious where we are at least satisfied, and luclin/pop having fairly big jumps into being a well populated server. Only time will tell. Some of us enjoy going through each expansion without having to wait a long time, and look forward to a good POP locked server in the future before we die of old age.

I do see newer people soling sometimes, but I think most people just have toons at different levels to do stuff with whoever is on. There is open fear/hate raids every week, an active raiding guild, and there was just a halloween event. Doesn't feel desolate by any means.

[BossThunderace]

Another ran a lottery for a FBSS where you bought numbers with spider silk.

Yes KeyKey, that was me. And now I'm banned lmao. Anyone who knows Zeus on p2002 - knows that I gave pixels out to just about everyone on the server including the majority of the people in the only raiding guild, helped a bunch of people get epic, did what I could to help people enjoy eq. The inner circle of GM really went off the deep end.

This is a warning to anyone who wishes to play on p2002, the GMs really blow.

if anyone has played on red99, you might know the name imawizard.. Now he is a GM on p2002, that tolixs/taian guy. He was the biggest griefer of noobies in crush bone red has ever seen. The type to delevel an epic ranger (imaranger) to run around and grief. Now he is a gm of a server, such a joke. taking same grief skills from red99 and apply that to GM staff. To make the joke even better he is in the leadership of the only raiding guild on the server. lol

[Smallpoxx]

Yes KeyKey, that was me. And now I'm banned lmao. Anyone who knows Zeus on p2002 - knows that I gave pixels out to just about everyone on the server including the majority of the people in the only raiding guild, helped a bunch of people get epic, did what I could to help people enjoy eq. The inner circle of GM really went off the deep end.

This is a warning to anyone who wishes to play on p2002, the GMs really blow.

if anyone has played on red99, you might know the name imawizard.. Now he is a GM on p2002, that tolixs/taian guy. He was the biggest griefer of noobies in crush bone red has ever seen. The type to delevel an epic ranger (imaranger) to run around and grief. Now he is a gm of a server, such a joke. taking same grief skills from red99 and apply that to GM staff. To make the joke even better he is in the leadership of the only raiding guild on the server. lol

It's a shame that you couldn't play by the few rules on the server and got banned. I guess your diabolical plan of "overthrowing the evil gms" on this server failed due to your own greed and carelessness.

You were destined to lead an uprising, a rebellion and a coup against the only raiding guild on the server. And you have failed.

You failed Zeus.

Now the rest of us will just continue to give away pixels to new players, as was done when I joined the server. As I did when I outgrew the pixels. As I see many others do on a daily basis.

Where will all the angst filled players go now? Who will perma camp Drusella for the next few months? Who will try to lawyer quest every rule on p2002? Who will blame the GMs for resetting their factions? Who will port me to hate and sky? Who will complain that everything that goes wrong for them is the work of a diabolical GM?

Who will inspire the great songs of betrayal and triumph for the League of Antonican Bards?

Frankly I don't give a fuck. I'm just glad that the moron with the victim complex is gone. If Zeus is the poster child of anything, it's entitlement. Good riddance. Thanks for the urn though!

The saddest thing about Zeus being banned is the items which will never be recovered from his characters. RIP White Dragonscale Cloak, AON, Fungi, and countless other wonderful items. You items deserved better than the fate you received.

If anyone is joining P2002, look up Sephoria and I'll see if I can make you some starter jewelry.

[Orruar]

Yes KeyKey, that was me. And now I'm banned lmao.

You were banned for running a FBSS for spider silk lottery? Did P2002 merge with P99 or something?

[Smallpoxx]

You were banned for running a FBSS for spider silk lottery? Did P2002 merge with P99 or something?

Zeus was banned for more than one thing. However, running an FBSS lottery is not on that list.

[Qtip]

Never, never try this server. Corrupt waste of time. Play a new game or take a break from project 1999.

[Keykey]

Yes KeyKey, that was me.

Yes, I know.

I, personally, think you looted the GM event items out of frustration and a "way out". You were undertaking a huge commitment. It is not easy to build a raiding guild from scratch, and it's nothing that happens quickly. I don't think anyone is going to argue the fact: The server will be healthier with a second raiding guild. It is not going to happen overnight.

I wished you luck and gave you one piece of advice - Stay classy.

I hope you find a new place to play EQ you can enjoy.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I gave you free stuff!
We'll give you more free stuff than that guy did!

The democratic debate thread is that way.

[Pokesan]

Never, never try this server. Corrupt waste of time. Play a new game or take a break from project 1999.

You know p2002 must be really bad if it gets Kaga and Poke to agree about something(which is that it's bad).

[BossThunderace]

It's a shame that you couldn't play by the few rules on the server and got banned. I guess your diabolical plan of "overthrowing the evil gms" on this server failed due to your own greed and carelessness.

You were destined to lead an uprising, a rebellion and a coup against the only raiding guild on the server. And you have failed.

You failed Zeus.

Now the rest of us will just continue to give away pixels to new players, as was done when I joined the server. As I did when I outgrew the pixels. As I see many others do on a daily basis.

Where will all the angst filled players go now? Who will perma camp Drusella for the next few months? Who will try to lawyer quest every rule on p2002? Who will blame the GMs for resetting their factions? Who will port me to hate and sky? Who will complain that everything that goes wrong for them is the work of a diabolical GM?

Who will inspire the great songs of betrayal and triumph for the League of Antonican Bards?

Frankly I don't give a fuck. I'm just glad that the moron with the victim complex is gone. If Zeus is the poster child of anything, it's entitlement. Good riddance. Thanks for the urn though!

The saddest thing about Zeus being banned is the items which will never be recovered from his characters. RIP White Dragonscale Cloak, AON, Fungi, and countless other wonderful items. You items deserved better than the fate you received.

If anyone is joining P2002, look up Sephoria and I'll see if I can make you some starter jewelry.


ROFL Victim complex?

Diabolical plan?

I was destined to get banned and share the truth about the staff behind the server.

bruh enjoy the circle jerk. I'm glad to be away from that server staff, not victim here. Of course you are under their spell so, no saving you now, enjoy your coddling. Grats on the DE mask you ninja looted at the GM event!



Zeus was banned for more than one thing. However, running an FBSS lottery is not on that list.

Oh really? and what is that? I was told i was banned for looting the GM event items and not "Fessing" up to it when the GM made an announcement. It was pretty clear who looted the items after linking them in /shout and if you didn't know.. than son you must be special.





Yes, I know.

I, personally, think you looted the GM event items out of frustration and a "way out". You were undertaking a huge commitment. It is not easy to build a raiding guild from scratch, and it's nothing that happens quickly. I don't think anyone is going to argue the fact: The server will be healthier with a second raiding guild. It is not going to happen overnight.

I wished you luck and gave you one piece of advice - Stay classy.

I hope you find a new place to play EQ you can enjoy.

Sorry babe, I don't quite understand your thoughts, for clarity - I looted them because I got the exp. Chalked it up as a guild win, I said in guild chat i got the exp and will /random off 2 dragon bags. Thus giving the win to the guild.

I honestly dgaf about this server, I'm just posting here to help people stay away from the toxic staff.


Waiting for Tolix/Taian(GM) , Warhogg/Boaragar(GM) to join the <powerslave> choir here ...

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Fat

[erog84]

wahhh wahh, They turned me down when I app'd to be a GM and when I tried to take over leadership of the guild, wahhh wahh

Got it.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You know p2002 must be really bad if it gets Kaga and Poke to agree about something(which is that it's bad).

Eyyyyy :)

[BossThunderace]

wahhh wahh, They turned me down when I app'd to be a GM and when I tried to take over leadership of the guild, wahhh wahh

I don't know who you are on p2002, please come forward and stop hiding behind erog84.

I did not app to be a GM (I app'd to be a guide on behalf of Fermer's request that the staff needed a guide to help with petitions, and the response I got was, we would rather have you as a player since everyone knows you and you help people out etc) nor did I try to take over the leadership of the guild (taking over the leadership of the guild was done well before whoever you are joined the server).

What I do know is, you are a living joke, keep it up!

[Mead]

Waiting for Tolix/Taian(GM) , Warhogg/Boaragar(GM) to join the <powerslave> choir here ...

Warhogg is a GM lol? gg

[Swish]

The community sounds interesting if nothing else.

[apio]

Having been a part of the staff of P2002 at the launch of the server, I can tell you that despite being the first person on the server to break the rules (he was caught 4 boxing 2 weeks into the server's life) Thunderace was given plenty of leeway. Of course, such actions to not inspire confidence, so I am not really surprised about the attitude that has developed over time between him and the staff.

Thunderace has been a very active player, posting numerous bug reports. He has also given back to the community by hosting the FBSS lottery and doing a couple of other things, he even planned on making a P2002 Ad video. But he also broke the rules, repeatedly chose to approach P2002 staff on Teamspeak or private messages about bug reports instead of posting them on the forums (despite being asked not to do that), and taking any inactivity regarding his bug reports as official proof that he was being fucked with.

Though I personally never had any problems with Thunderace (I can be annoying at times, so I guess I have a higher threshold for annoying people), logging out right after looting GM loot does look highly suspicious. Despite this, the staff still didn't ban him and gave him another chance of rectifying it.

Hey! Don't get me wrong, I completely agree when you say "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you", but I also believe that what you did was wrong, the way you did it and the timing of it couldn't have been chosen more poorly, and given your reputation and track record on the server I am not really too surprised about how it was handled, after all as you very well know, this isn't your first offense. Also notice the lack of support from anyone else but the most avid P2002 Haters and usual (troll) suspects, I think your crusade will end here.

[surron]

This is a warning to anyone who wishes to play on p2002, the GMs really blow. if anyone has played on red99, you might know the name imawizard.. Now he is a GM on p2002, that tolixs/taian guy. He was the biggest griefer of noobies in crush bone red has ever seen. The type to delevel an epic ranger (imaranger) to run around and grief. Now he is a gm of a server, such a joke. taking same grief skills from red99 and apply that to GM staff. To make the joke even better he is in the leadership of the only raiding guild on the server. lol

I don't know who you are on p2002, please come forward and stop hiding behind erog84.

lmao erog84 is Tolixs

proof http://i.imgur.com/4yE0I0w.png

[Emus]

lmao erog84 is Tolixs

I would of never guessed.

[BossThunderace]

lance 2 cents

Lance, you ghosted on the server to play Lord of the rings, while your 2 cents is most welcome, you were not here for the last few months and missed a lot of things.

In regards to my "first offense" .. first and only time Ive 4boxed on that server was at 3am after coming home from a BBQ slightly intoxicated. I admitted to 4 boxing the next day, nothing to hide.

Logging out right after the GM event around 8pm on Saturday Halloween night.. it's perfectly normal to have a social life outside of the game. Again, nothing to hide.

I agree, the lack of support, this is the problem with the server. Most of these people don't really care and are blinded by pixels of Everquest, the community here is no where close to AK, its more close to AK when p99 players joined and screwed the server.

I have no desire to go back to that server, I am not on a crusade, I am simply telling the people of p99 who i sought to recruit to 2002 that I WAS WRONG. STAY AWAY.

and

:)

lmao erog84 is Tolixs

proof http://i.imgur.com/4yE0I0w.png

Toilxs, I'm glad you've found your life's purpose.

[apio]

I wasn't playing LotRO when you were cheating on the server for the first time, and I know perfectly well what happened back then. GMs caught you red handed, the fact that you are lying about it now proves that whatever you post can't be trusted.

I wasn't present at this latest incident. What I do know is that the person who banned you wasn't Tolixs or Wharhogg, it was the lead GM Darkonites, who is in charge of Customer Support on the server. He is also the person who caught you cheating the first time.

I told them to ban you and/or delete your characters when this happened. All the people you are attacking here right now were actually defending you, which is why you got away with a warning.


I don't say this very often, because it is such a cliché, but you should take a break from the herb and reconnect with reality. As you say yourself, every time you get in trouble it is because you are "intoxicated", as you put it. Maybe you don't have the best recollection of what happened