Plea for civility

[MEGANS LAW]

To all,

Right now, Red99 is embroiled in a massive war between two sides, The Empire and the Rebel Alliance (The Good Guys). Both sides of this war has scumsuckers within the officer/member. We've all played with each other at one point or another.

I encourage all of the leaders, officers and big dogs of both sides to please encourage civility and to follow the current PNP policies regarding griefing and LNS.

There's no point is being a dickhead to somebody else over a war that is arbitrary in the first place. There's enough room in Velious for two 100 man guilds. Please do not adopt a scorched earth policy.

Let's have fun and remember that 'Winter Is Coming'.

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[Glugg]

lol. man. do you know who you're talking to?

[vouss]

I remain that dude for life

[Krule]

To all,

Right now, Red99 is embroiled in a massive war between two sides, The Empire and the Rebel Alliance (The Good Guys). Both sides of this war has scumsuckers within the officer/member. We've all played with each other at one point or another.

I encourage all of the leaders, officers and big dogs of both sides to please encourage civility and to follow the current PNP policies regarding griefing and LNS.

There's no point is being a dickhead to somebody else over a war that is arbitrary in the first place. There's enough room in Velious for two 100 man guilds. Please do not adopt a scorched earth policy.

Let's have fun and remember that 'Winter Is Coming'.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070612034839/starwars/images/e/ee/Battlefront_promoart.jpg

So I lurked long enough to know that these posts are usually troll posts but yours sounds semi genuine so I'll respond in kind.

My main question is why can't there be, say, 4 50 man guilds? Why does it have to waft into some dark/light or good/bad paradigm. Can't there just be several guilds that all have a desire to raid and pvp?

I guess asking this question sheds to much light on WHY Teams99 is so important. That's the one thing WoW did right; Horde vs Alliance. At least then you knew who was on your team and could just avoid the dickheads. Even then it was fun to band together with the dickheads and wipe away alliance scum.

I am now one of those people. Teams99 to save the Red server!!

[Tradesonred]

Never too late to do the right thing

[Magikarp]

we were moving towards having several guilds competing.

then suddenly 3 of them zerged together and formed good guys.

just sayin

[daasgoot]

forward this to colgate.. been spammin shit threads for last 3 days

ps. my inbox is empty, what gives?

[Tradesonred]

So I lurked long enough to know that these posts are usually troll posts but yours sounds semi genuine so I'll respond in kind.

My main question is why can't there be, say, 4 50 man guilds? Why does it have to waft into some dark/light or good/bad paradigm. Can't there just be several guilds that all have a desire to raid and pvp?

I guess asking this question sheds to much light on WHY Teams99 is so important. That's the one thing WoW did right; Horde vs Alliance. At least then you knew who was on your team and could just avoid the dickheads. Even then it was fun to band together with the dickheads and wipe away alliance scum.

I am now one of those people. Teams99 to save the Red server!!

Ive never read anything about how youre going to regulate the population on a hardcoded teams server that would make me think it would work. All these rearrangements of guilds youve seen on Red over the years are not possible on a teams server. So if team empire on teams is winning, thats it, no alliance possible, or at least very much more difficult to do so i would beleive. If you dislike team Empire, theres no defecting to the other side. It would also mean fragmenting the very fragile red pop that took years to build, for a server that has little chance of success in the long run.

[Malevz]

Man this takes me back to the 4 years of HARDCODE TEAMS posts on live. Very classic.

[vouss]

4 50 man guilds won't work because it just takes 2 of them to combine then beat the remaining 2 out of everything. That's why. Teams suck FFA for freedom.

[Guttzs]

I enjoyed teams on tallon zek, you can still X-team and group/guild just couldnt kill same team, made it interesting.

[Slathar]

civility? like training Trak?

nah there will be none get fukt

[fred schnarf]

apparently you either join the empire zerg and hope aol chat awards you shit ( only after no one else wants it )

or you join the good guys, earn dkp and spend it fairly on what you want

anyone in empire is stupid imo

unless of course your aim chat

[Magikarp]

apparently... ...imo

[Buhbuh]

apparently you either join the empire zerg and hope aol chat awards you shit ( only after no one else wants it )

or you join the good guys, earn dkp and spend it fairly on what you want

anyone in empire is stupid imo

unless of course your aim chat

does your brian even work?

[SamwiseRed]

I can be civil with Empire.

http://i.imgur.com/wBcEHmR.jpg

they are really nice people in RL. thanks for the pic.

[Efwan]

we were moving towards having several guilds competing.

then suddenly 3 of them zerged together and formed good guys.

just sayin

Are you really that dumb

[karsten]

I can be civil with Empire.

http://i.imgur.com/wBcEHmR.jpg

they are really nice people in RL actually. thanks for the pic.

:D

[iruinedyourday]

So I lurked long enough to know that these posts are usually troll posts but yours sounds semi genuine so I'll respond in kind.

My main question is why can't there be, say, 4 50 man guilds? Why does it have to waft into some dark/light or good/bad paradigm. Can't there just be several guilds that all have a desire to raid and pvp?

I guess asking this question sheds to much light on WHY Teams99 is so important. That's the one thing WoW did right; Horde vs Alliance. At least then you knew who was on your team and could just avoid the dickheads. Even then it was fun to band together with the dickheads and wipe away alliance scum.

I am now one of those people. Teams99 to save the Red server!!

1. Because what in the hell is the difference between four groups of 50 people griefing each other and two groups of 100 people griefing each other? A: there is none.
2. Don't not approve of what's happening right now and say you want teams. Two 100 person guilds on a 300 person server is exactly what teams is, It's just player created. It's one team of 100 people that don't attack each other, it's another team of 100 people that don't attack each other, and it's 100 people that are neutral.

Pras the red server for being the Wild West, but building the team server that everybody's been wishing for on thier own.

[Glugg]

My main question is why can't there be, say, 4 50 man guilds? Why does it have to waft into some dark/light or good/bad paradigm. Can't there just be several guilds that all have a desire to raid and pvp?

i literally had to explain this to someone the other day, at length.

if you understand even the smallest thing about human psychology and behavior, you will not need to ask this question.

if you do not understand even the smallest thing, this question cannot be answered for you. go out and interact with some people and all will become clear.

[Glugg]

we were moving towards having several guilds competing.

then suddenly 3 of them zerged together and formed good guys.

just sayin

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Magikarp]

join date: apr 2015

just sayin

[pgerman]

I enjoyed teams on tallon zek, you can still X-team and group/guild just couldnt kill same team, made it interesting.

X-teaming scumlord, hope you were one of the people i charmed and ran off the cliff in east karana when tallon zek opened up.

[Krule]

i literally had to explain this to someone the other day, at length.

if you understand even the smallest thing about human psychology and behavior, you will not need to ask this question.

if you do not understand even the smallest thing, this question cannot be answered for you. go out and interact with some people and all will become clear.

Oh dear. You took my post far too seriously. I suppose using real life metaphors and smilies will be too much for this forum. I'll try again.

In the interest of making PVP better (let's face it, that's the crux of the issue for people who want to STAY on this server and not just waiting for the blue recycle) I think strategy more akin to Guild Wars is appropriate. A system in which guilds can challenge one another under fair circumstances.

Obviously without instancing this can be difficult to achieve but I think 3-5 established guilds could be viable to raid and pvp with in a fair manner. I highly doubt this is going to happen as we have have zergnotazerg vs zerg. Not sure if there is any going back at this point but it'll be interesting to see how things shake out.

[Glugg]

join date: apr 2015

just sayin

well read sir...

you are a worthy adversary

[Glugg]

in a fair manner.

see here's where you got lost, and the part about people you're missing

[Krule]

see here's where you got lost, and the part about people you're missing

Sure. I understand you are real bent on maintaining the "people suck" mentality and yeah, sometimes they do, but I still believe p99 can have fair and balanced PVP.

Just like LNS I'm sure there are other ideas that can be implemented to make this work. Weather or not the staff cares about the PVP side of p99 is a whole different discussion.

[Humerox]

we were moving towards having several guilds competing.

then suddenly 3 of them zerged together and formed good guys.

just sayin

There were no guilds competing with <Empire>. The best any of the other guilds could do was harass and poach every once in a while. <Empire> was uncontested on almost every mob. If that situation had continued into Velious the gear advantage and possibilities for any hope of competition on the server would have been lost.

It was absolutely necessary for <Good Guys> to be created. Fire with Fire. There is enough time between now and Velious for <Good Guys> to become a cohesive fighting team and to round out gear disadvantages.

If people truly believe anyone was "competing" with <Empire> until now you're sadly mistaken. A lot of people have put a lot of differences aside in order to even the playing field here. The motivations, whether selfish or altruistic, don't matter. The end justifies the means.

<Empire> is already losing dragons. Their unfettered ability to garner planar gear and dominate all raid mobs has been compromised.

[Colgate]

you guys trained trakanon on us with camped out alts in trak's lair and then camped alts at a trakanon to kill it when it overlapped with venril sathir

oh and you killed a gorenaire that has been left up for weeks

no pvp happened

empire is doomed tho yowl

[Humerox]

you guys trained trakanon on us with camped out alts in trak's lair and then camped alts at a trakanon to kill it when it overlapped with venril sathir

oh and you killed a gorenaire that has been left up for weeks

no pvp happened

empire is doomed tho yowl

You guys are the ones that trained from zone-in. Thanks for Gore. Plenty of PvP happening with YT's going off all the time. Our KDA is increasing after a rocky start.

So:

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[Glugg]

Sure. I understand you are real bent on maintaining the "people suck" mentality and yeah, sometimes they do, but I still believe p99 can have fair and balanced PVP.

Just like LNS I'm sure there are other ideas that can be implemented to make this work. Weather or not the staff cares about the PVP side of p99 is a whole different discussion.

you're not really understanding this. it's not "people suck." it's "people are lazy and cowardly and prefer comfort to challenge, so most of them will join the winning team, causing that team to win more." there is no way to change this way that people behave. you can moralquest all you want, but while you're blabbing away with dumb what ifs the people are just gonna keep joining the winning team because they literally do not care about your dumb ethics or your idea of fun, their idea of fun is getting some easy pixels and logging out without too much hassle.

[Glugg]

also, if you think most people are on red for pvp, you're sorely mistaken. they're here because the population is lower and the xp bonus is high, meaning quick leveling and less competition for spawns/loot. pvp is nothing but an inconvenience, a price they have to pay for these bonuses; they complain about pvp while leveling and avoid it once they're maxed.

[snufzaimoverlord]

Good guys .67 kda up from a rocky .64

[Krule]

also, if you think most people are on red for pvp, you're sorely mistaken. they're here because the population is lower and the xp bonus is high, meaning quick leveling and less competition for spawns/loot. pvp is nothing but an inconvenience, a price they have to pay for these bonuses; they complain about pvp while leveling and avoid it once they're maxed.


Mmmm. I see now why I haven't been posting. Back to Norrath for me!

[Slathar]

Good guys .67 kda up from a rocky .64

what does KDR matter when there's no exp penalty and LnS? im hoping to bottom it out ASAP.

[sktank]

Just play the game. Enough with all the theory's on "how to fix the server" or what should be done. If you feel like winning, join the winning side. If your play time is limited and you just enjoy playing everquest- join whatever side you want. Play the game, be happy. This server rocks

[Glugg]

If you feel like winning, join the winning side.

hey dude who was wondering above why we can't just have smaller guilds all willing to pvp and keep the server nice and fair, READ THIS

[hatelore]

There were no guilds competing with <Empire>. The best any of the other guilds could do was harass and poach every once in a while. <Empire> was uncontested on almost every mob. If that situation had continued into Velious the gear advantage and possibilities for any hope of competition on the server would have been lost.

It was absolutely necessary for <Good Guys> to be created. Fire with Fire. There is enough time between now and Velious for <Good Guys> to become a cohesive fighting team and to round out gear disadvantages.

If people truly believe anyone was "competing" with <Empire> until now you're sadly mistaken. A lot of people have put a lot of differences aside in order to even the playing field here. The motivations, whether selfish or altruistic, don't matter. The end justifies the means.

<Empire> is already losing dragons. Their unfettered ability to garner planar gear and dominate all raid mobs has been compromised.

You are funny, we do not garner Planar gear lawl. If it drops when we kill a god, cool, other than that we rarely ever have the need to go out and "garner" planar gear. Cmon now, this isn't Fresh.

[Humerox]

You are funny, we do not garner Planar gear lawl. If it drops when we kill a god, cool, other than that we rarely ever have the need to go out and "garner" planar gear. Cmon now, this isn't Fresh.

I'm sure all of your sub-60's love that. But since you're booting anyone under 60 come August I guess that's OK. :D

I wonder how they all feel knowing they were used to gear your A-Team and alts just to be tossed out like garbage.

[grannock]

Yep, all those lever 55's carrying the core on raids. Fyi, sub 60's get loot all the time.