Log Parsers. Final Verdict?

[Poeskas]

Recently, log parsers were discussed on Sirken's stream (At the beginning of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPkRnTTJnOk&feature=youtu.be)). In this case, we're talking about Gamtext, etc, and map generators to a lesser extent. I know log parsers have been discussed before on numerous occasions and generally dismissed as acceptable since they don't read or modify game memory. But, in the stream I linked above, Sirken has said they may try to ban them in the future. Can we get some kind of confirmation on this rule change? Is Gamtext banned from now on? For the record, I don't use log parsers of any kind these days (not even Gamparse), especially after watching that stream.

[Thulack]

Lol to sirken saying they may try to ban log parsers. No they arent illegal and the day they are made illegal is the day you might aswell quit p99 cause everyone will have gone mad.

[curtischoy]

How could they even see a program that simply parses my log file? if they could do that couldn't they then see basically anything on my computer?

Also, shit's classic.

[Thulack]

How could they even see a program that simply parses my log file? if they could do that couldn't they then see basically anything on my computer?

Also, shit's classic.

They can see anything you are running on your PC. Its how they find hacks or know if you are boxing on the same PC.

[Daldaen]

GamParse and GamText triggers they won't ban.

They just want to ban Log readers that actively plot your point on a map.

Which you wouldn't be able to do in classic because you only had 1 chat window and 1 hot button page, so you couldn't spam it with /loc every second otherwise you couldn't see anything! Plus no alt tabbing and such.

[evilkorn]

I could see them snifing for the audio trigger exe and the mapping softwares. It just depends on how strict they want to be. It's really out of our control. We hear the same thing every time there is a change that was in the game for us that we got used to and got taken out.

Personally I don't think they impact the game from a PvE standpoint, but I can see it being imbalanced for maybe outdoor PvP knowing where you are exactly against another. Even then people generally safe and aware of where they are most of the time.

[tristantio]

To me it seems like log parsing is classic (although Norrath Map overlay is taking it a step further).

[evilkorn]

The problem I have with calling 3rd party software classic is hacking, so I try not to use that term for the discussion.

[Poeskas]

It would be nice to have some official ruling on this, here on the p99 forums.

[Thulack]

It would be nice to have some official ruling on this, here on the p99 forums.

GM's hate to give "official" rulings to anything. They rather just watch the chaos ensue and deal with it later.

[Baler]

lol Sirken's stream.. just lol

[sambal]

Well, even ahungry.com is kind of a log parser! I'd hate for them to ban them outright.

[Pan]

See here:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=722090&postcount=5

In this thread (for context):
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83727&highlight=file

If that's not a ruling or an answer, I don't know what is. (Tho I suppose he's free to change his mind at any time.)

[Poeskas]

See here:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=722090&postcount=5

In this thread (for context):
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83727&highlight=file

If that's not a ruling or an answer, I don't know what is. (Tho I suppose he's free to change his mind at any time.)

Thank you. That's the kind of information I was looking for. It seems Sirken may aspire to some judicial activism on this issue.. If the policy officially changes, it would be nice to have some official heads up, otherwise it's kind of irresponsible to make comments like that imo.

[waffel]

To me it seems like log parsing is classic (although Norrath Map overlay is taking it a step further).

Why did you edit and remove 90% of your post? Because it showed how staff could never prevent log parsing?

[tristantio]

Why did you edit and remove 90% of your post? Because it showed how staff could never prevent log parsing?

Didn't want to be a naysayer :)

[myriverse]

Worst they could do is just ban you.

So.... you reroll. /shrug

[Sirken]

Lol to sirken saying they may try to ban log parsers. No they arent illegal and the day they are made illegal is the day you might aswell quit p99 cause everyone will have gone mad.

i have always said very specifically that damage parsing was classic and would be left alone, and if we could hit nerds using maps and audio triggers, we would. but thanks for putting words in my mouth <3

[Thulack]

i have always said very specifically that damage parsing was classic and would be left alone, and if we could hit nerds using maps and audio triggers, we would. but thanks for putting words in my mouth <3

I was quoting the OP sir. I'm not one to partake in your stream or watch VoD's of it.

Recently, log parsers were discussed on Sirken's stream (At the beginning of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPkRnTTJnOk&feature=youtu.be)). In this case, we're talking about Gamtext, etc, and map generators to a lesser extent. I know log parsers have been discussed before on numerous occasions and generally dismissed as acceptable since they don't read or modify game memory. But, in the stream I linked above, Sirken has said they may try to ban them in the future. Can we get some kind of confirmation on this rule change? Is Gamtext banned from now on? For the record, I don't use log parsers of any kind these days (not even Gamparse), especially after watching that stream.

[SamwiseRed]

ban custom uis first, allow only one chat window hehe

[Swish]

They've got your porn browser history, better donate today pals.

[kaev]

ban custom uis first, allow only one chat window hehe

If they ever manage to restrict to one chat box, the uproar from players who main buffing classes in raiding guilds may well dwarf the complaint volume from the compass, map, and target-ring nerfs combined.

That said, EQ was a much different game with only one chat window. Not necessarily worse, but definitely different.