Verina Tomb is up

[Swish]

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Saw 6-7 people scouting earlier on blue when I went to get some coffins.

Is it time to switch? <3

[lecompte]

The army comes.

[Freakish]

I think he's saying verina is up on red. Which is irrelevant to anyone playing on blue.

[Man0warr]

She doesn't die near as fast as she used to on Blue.

[Pint]

Even free verina's arnt a big enough draw to get ppl on the second tier server

[Lisset]

Even free verina's arnt a big enough draw to get ppl on the second tier server

[Susvain2]

some people cant be saved Swish

[Synthlol]

I still think it's hilarious how the players on Red don't realize that nobody wanting these sorts of mobs on their server is an argument against playing there, not for it.

[Swish]

I haven't seen this many rustled jimmies in a red thread in months. I blame all the rule lawyering and frapsing.

It's not healthy to be unable to channel your aggression, very bad for your heart. Stress kills <3

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[Daldaen]

Considering Red:

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/55198938.jpg

[Pheer]

are we allowed to troll swish's retarded red recruitment threads now that deru is gone?

the answer to this question will determine the content of my further posts

[eisley]

Was awesome to do that whole quest on live, then Velious hits a few months later andddd no one wants that buff anymore. Try to click it on people and they were like gtfo give me VoG.

Neat AC buff for casters I guess.

[Colgate]

trakanon spawned today on red99 at the exact time it died 3 days ago

stomped the competition in dreadlands as we were forming up to move over to sebilis, then stomped them again in sebilis when they logged in alts to try and snipe it uncontested

i chortle every time i think about people choosing to play on a server where if you want trakanon, you have to sift through 3 pages of legal documents while staring at a spawn point and casting/canceling call of the hero over and over for upwards of 16 hours and it all comes down to a coin flip on who can press a javelin faster while burning through soulfires, DA idols, and bladestoppers

[Swish]

are we allowed to troll swish's retarded red recruitment threads now that deru is gone?

the answer to this question will determine the content of my further posts

This is seperate to the somewhat "official" red thread. Go nuts.

https://dropline.net/cats/images/yoda_proceed.jpg

[Clark]

I think he's saying verina is up on red. Which is irrelevant to anyone playing on blue.

[Pint]

current blue pop 1500, current red pop 250.. but maybe 15 years wasnt long enough for a bunch of grown adults to know what they actually want out of a game.

[Swish]

current blue pop 1500, current red pop 250.. but maybe 15 years wasnt long enough for a bunch of grown adults to know what they actually want out of a game.

If the red pop was 1500 and the blue pop was 250 this thread wouldn't exist :rolleyes:

[Pheer]

trakanon spawned today on red99 at the exact time it died 3 days ago

stomped the competition in dreadlands as we were forming up to move over to sebilis, then stomped them again in sebilis when they logged in alts to try and snipe it uncontested

i chortle every time i think about people choosing to play on a server where if you want trakanon, you have to sift through 3 pages of legal documents while staring at a spawn point and casting/canceling call of the hero over and over for upwards of 16 hours and it all comes down to a coin flip on who can press a javelin faster while burning through soulfires, DA idols, and bladestoppers

i chortle every time i see a salty red player attempting to shame people into playing red by trying to make it seem as if its less nerdy/neckbeard to spend hours pvping (zerging) other players over the imaginary pixel dragon than racing other players to it

Do you really think anybody is reading these posts and going "wow hes right im such a baddie nerd bluebie, i should be playing red so I can be cool on the internet"

[eisley]

If you want the opinion of someone who doesn't know a ton about the endgame landscape of p99 (I've been around forever, since beta I guess, but always been "casual." I mostly played a different eqemu game - Shards of Dalaya) but played on Vallon Zek a lot in this era (Kunark/Velious) and own a top-3 finish title in a BotB, here's my maybe worthless thoughts:

PvP on live was awesome. I loved it. Yeah it is wildly unbalanced and clearly the game was not designed with PvP in mind, but that's fine. It was still some of my greatest memories in EQ, particularly in Velious when there were real consequences to PvP. For example, evils on Vallon Zek controlled Temple of Veeshan for a long time. It was of utmost importance we never got wiped out, otherwise we would get LNS'd. We had euro crews watching overnight, we'd have to have scouts out and mobilize in case awful xteaming goods were gonna hit ToV. I had to leave my main logged out in ToV and play a retired friends char fulltime for several months due to it. So on and so forth. On the other hand, Sebilis was notably controlled by neut/goods, among others. Unless you xteamed, you simply did not get Seb loot easily as an evil. JBB, Trakanon, Fungi tunics.

We had zero rangers/druids/paladins/bards. They had every class. It was awesome, it made for a great sense of community. PvP had huge, sweeping effects to the PvE landscape. There were heroes and villains. Reputation was everything. No one needed to advertise on the PvE boards. We didn't need yellow text to know who was the best, or to know when to LnS. The playerbase was judge, jury, and executioner. I knew if I zoned into Sebilis on a rogue mission and died, I was likely not getting my corpse back for maybe several days.

Some say the community in blue doesn't compare favorably to live because it feels like everyone is a mercenary and only cares about themselves, there is less sense of togetherness or need to progress as a cohesive unit. If most players could freely choose to either A) Add a new, skilled, epic'd player to their guild or B) Get their alt that epic, I think it's clear what most would choose. Not saying all, but most. (To be fair, with Velious on the horizon this is probably less true, and understandable in a stale, top heavy Kunark environment. This doesn't even necessarily reflect my thoughts, it's a direct paraphrase of a complaint I saw someone else post awhile back.)

To me, Red is along those lines, but the PvP version of it. When I saw the yellow kill text, I got the impression that this probably wasn't the server I was looking for, and when I found out one giant guild controlled ALL of the raid targets, I was had to accept the fact it just wasn't for me. I wanted to like Red. In fact I've essentially resigned myself to the fact that it's not possible to recreate that type of atmosphere we had on VZ. I mean, where else could you kill Sirken and get away with it? I realize Teams PvP was different, but even compared to Rallos the same overarching "complaints" stand. I say "complaints" because I don't think it necessarily is right or wrong or better or worse, or that it invalidates Red, just that it appeals to a different, probably smaller, crowd.

Again, I loved PvP on live, and I was far from a filthy casual. I will never, ever forget great memories like endlessly trolling unnamed xteam guild outside of Sebilis til they amassed 20+ teams to chase our war/shm/enc trio all the way across Kunark, trying to isolate and pick them off one by one. The thrill of blind whip proc'ing and seeing if they were smart enough to be able to pot it off blinded. The feeling of being down 10% to 40% then dropping a massive triple attack for a come behind victory. The us-against-them mentality and teamwork we had to develop. I could give a million other examples. And I'm sure you guys love Red and I have nothing against folks who play Red, I'm just trying to illustrate why people may be turned off by it.

Adding to the fact that hardcore PvE people may be turned OFF by lower competition on mobs like Verina Tomb, not attracted. I don't think that is the problem people have with blue. I dislike variation and duck-interrupting and recharging and this (http://www.project1999.com/raid.php) atrocity as much as the next guy, but weighed against the downsides of Red, the low pop being one of them, it kind of became a choice between the better of two evils.

It seems the simple fact is that the audience for a non-teams, PvP-with-little-consequence server is just not that large. I may be completely wrong. I'm just trying to offer my thoughts, as someone from a decent PvP background on live, who desperately longs for a worthwhile PvP scene.

[Swish]

Do you really think anybody is reading these posts and going "wow hes right im such a baddie nerd bluebie, i should be playing red so I can be cool on the internet"

yes

[Clark]

i chortle every time i see a salty red player attempting to shame people into playing red by trying to make it seem as if its less nerdy/neckbeard to spend hours pvping (zerging) other players over the imaginary pixel dragon than racing other players to it

Do you really think anybody is reading these posts and going "wow hes right im such a baddie nerd bluebie, i should be playing red so I can be cool on the internet"

[Synthlol]

Is anyone else enjoying Swish embarrass himself like I am?

[Colgate]

i chortle every time i see a salty red player attempting to shame people into playing red by trying to make it seem as if its less nerdy/neckbeard to spend hours pvping (zerging) other players over the imaginary pixel dragon than racing other players to it

Do you really think anybody is reading these posts and going "wow hes right im such a baddie nerd bluebie, i should be playing red so I can be cool on the internet"

post wasn't attempting to get people to join red

i don't expect people like you to switch over to red; you very clearly either just love the raid scene i described or hate everquest pvp(probably because awful at it)

whether or not you join red has nothing to do with the fact that i enjoy a much deeper everquest experience than you and i don't have to go to incredible lengths to do so

[Bboboo]

Damn still tryin to get people to play raid.

Fight the good fight brotha.

[Susvain2]

i chortle every time i see a salty red player attempting to shame people into playing red by trying to make it seem as if its less nerdy/neckbeard to spend hours pvping (zerging) other players over the imaginary pixel dragon than racing other players to it

Do you really think anybody is reading these posts and going "wow hes right im such a baddie nerd bluebie, i should be playing red so I can be cool on the internet"

It's not about being "less nerdy", it's about you sitting at 15 different boss spawns for 16hours a week just to "Raid"

how is that fun?

[Madbad]

whether or not you join red has nothing to do with the fact that i enjoy a much deeper everquest experience than you and i don't have to go to incredible lengths to do so

quoting Colgate here

[Yoogoplop]

Tried red for a bit tonight, didn't die, only saw one other person, ooc chat was complete garbage that I'd have to minimize permanently if I wanted to play there.

Maybe I'm missing something? Or the people on Red are getting bored of killing/getting killed by the same people so they're trying to recruit more?

[Madbad]

Tried red for a bit tonight, didn't die, only saw one other person, ooc chat was complete garbage that I'd have to minimize permanently if I wanted to play there.

Maybe I'm missing something? Or the people on Red are getting bored of killing/getting killed by the same people so they're trying to recruit more?

Join a crew, make friends, level up. You will see what you are missing.

[Tasslehofp99]

eq pvp so bland


red community is shit


/thread

[Llodd]

If the red pop was 1500 and the blue pop was 250 this thread wouldn't exist :rolleyes:

Yep, and colgates retarded logic would be even more retarded.

[Pheer]

post wasn't attempting to get people to join red

i don't expect people like you to switch over to red; you very clearly either just love the raid scene i described or hate everquest pvp(probably because awful at it)

whether or not you join red has nothing to do with the fact that i enjoy a much deeper everquest experience than you and i don't have to go to incredible lengths to do so

Actually some of the most fun I've ever had in EQ was outplaying people in pvp in situations where I was outnumbered. If it had a larger population or not as many cancerous players in its population as it does right now then I might have even played it. I enjoy playing the blue server the way I do and its just hilarious to watch you guys spam up blue related threads with advertisements and testimonials about how all our dreams will come true if we come over to red.

[Susvain2]

I genuinely feel bad for people who raid on blue when the raid server is an option

[radda]

I may be completely wrong.

you're not, you're dead right.

[Orruar]

i chortle every time i think about people choosing to play on a server where if you want trakanon, you have to sift through 3 pages of legal documents while staring at a spawn point and casting/canceling call of the hero over and over for upwards of 16 hours and it all comes down to a coin flip on who can press a javelin faster while burning through soulfires, DA idols, and bladestoppers

Do you also chortle when you realize the vast majority of people actually find this absurd state of affairs on blue an improvement over red?

[Swish]

I played blue recently till 21 and then stopped.

Problems:
1. Most people are quite twinked. They prefer you to be geared especially if a tank.
2. There's a bunch of plvl'ing going on, which is not only disheartening but it clears entire xp zones.
3. Many xp places I went were camped. I saw a twinked warrior holding down spots solo in uguk.
4. WTB prices are too expensive even though I had accumulated 1k pp.

Endgame problems I heard of:
1. Every spot with high-value loot is perma-camped, with a waiting list.
2. Several guilds rotate boss mobs. So you have to wait 3(5?) x 5(7+) days for a particular boss.
3. Boss mobs die within minutes of spawning to zerg raids.

So I rolled red this weekend.
1. Blue had 1,700 people; red under 170.
2. The xp comes so fast you have even bigger problems purchasing your spells. This should be solved once I hit the lfay sisters camp. I've heard its perma-solved once you level high enough to farm giants or seafuries.
3. Its not easy to get a port or a bind.
4. /ooc is server wide, and used for auctions. Someone has to port to trade, there is no EC tunnel. Funny enough this made my experience closer to that of the first months of EQ.
5. I may end up having to roll a druid to trade or port a cleric for a rez.

I've heard there isn't much ganking at low-med levels. I assume its done by bored high levels.

A static group is a great asset on red, as the /ooc suggests it takes a while to form a group. I wouldn't be surprised if a good sixed static group could hit 60 within 1.5 months. That would not be possible on blue without plvl'ing.

I prefer red.

Borrowed from the starter zone, and I'd add to this.

Last night I was in a CoM group, we went up to the 2nd and 3rd floor. The group was so good that nobody wanted to leave - SK/monk/bard/cleric (me)/druid/rogue. Ended up staying there over 3 hours.

Sure that can happen on blue as well, but the way people talk about red... it's like that experience can never happen on red. Surely I was meant to be killed repeatedly, bind camped and laughed at til I logged out? That's the way blue players seem to paint it.

We were 3-4 different guilds, we got along for the sake of XP.

Why didn't they kill me? Well... aren't we all trying to get somewhere? (60)

So if you're bored one day, can't get a group in MM/Unrest/CoM/KC/Seb/etc... why not open a 2nd window while LFG and give it a go? Nothing to lose.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

fuck the epic

[Colgate]

Do you also chortle when you realize the vast majority of people actually find this absurd state of affairs on blue an improvement over red?

no, i do chortle at how much people hate everquest PvP because they can't hang, though

[Champion_Standing]

I wish I had frapsed my first time on red, it was absolutely the most stereotypical R99 experience I could have imagined. Rolled a troll shaman, got to lvl 4 and then a Ogre warrior with a fungi, lammy etc showed up and ganked me, stole my 18 silvers and then called me a faggot about 15 times for hanging around the guards waiting for him to leave. No idea i could rustle some R99er that hard by just existing on his server, the whole incident still makes me lol to this day.

Anyway im gonna go play some real PvP in one of the other 15,000 MMOs that do it better than EQ. Got some guild events in Archeage today that should result in a 400+ man naval battle between several guilds (hope the pirates show up to make it even more interesting). Have fun jousting and LnSing while I'm commanding a fleet of warships.

[Rayzor84]

Borrowed from the starter zone, and I'd add to this.

Last night I was in a CoM group, we went up to the 2nd and 3rd floor. The group was so good that nobody wanted to leave - SK/monk/bard/cleric (me)/druid/rogue. Ended up staying there over 3 hours.

Sure that can happen on blue as well, but the way people talk about red... it's like that experience can never happen on red. Surely I was meant to be killed repeatedly, bind camped and laughed at til I logged out? That's the way blue players seem to paint it.

We were 3-4 different guilds, we got along for the sake of XP.

Why didn't they kill me? Well... aren't we all trying to get somewhere? (60)

So if you're bored one day, can't get a group in MM/Unrest/CoM/KC/Seb/etc... why not open a 2nd window while LFG and give it a go? Nothing to lose.

Taking a full group to 2nd or 3rd is asinine.

[Swish]

Taking a full group to 2nd or 3rd is asinine.

why is that?

[waffel]

Anyway im gonna go play some real PvP in one of the other 15,000 MMOs that do it better than EQ.

The ultimate counter to 'consider red'.

[Rayzor84]

why is that?

By the time u can handle those mobs, it's solo or duo material. Taking a full group up there wouldn't be very good exp conpared. Then again there's the full bonus on red.

[Swish]

By the time u can handle those mobs, it's solo or duo material. Taking a full group up there wouldn't be very good exp conpared. Then again there's the full bonus on red.

My red cleric has about 60 less wisdom than my blue cleric.

My blue SK has full planar gear and an atra shield/ebon mace - the tank had a fungi but not much else for gear.

The bard had no lambent or singing steel gear.

...and that trend runs through the party, and on red leveling characters generally. Items are much more scarce on red.

That makes red a more authentic "first character" leveling experience for most people. Enjoy your comfy tunnel and twinked level 1s. I find red is quite refreshing in that sense...most people leveling aren't heavily twinked.

[Rayzor84]

My red cleric has about 60 less wisdom than my blue cleric.

My blue SK has full planar gear and an atra shield/ebon mace - the tank had a fungi but not much else for gear.

The bard had no lambent or singing steel gear.

...and that trend runs through the party, and on red leveling characters generally. Items are much more scarce on red.

That makes red a more authentic "first character" leveling experience for most people. Enjoy your comfy tunnel and twinked level 1s. I find red is quite refreshing in that sense...most people leveling aren't heavily twinked.

That pasted response has nothing to do with what I said. My enchanter wasnt/isn't twinked and I solod those areas at 52. A melee and cleric could duo it even in sub par gear.

[Swish]

Tell a lie, its 85 difference....

http://imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/05/17/Untitledf32bf.png

Beginning to get the picture?

[Swish]

So transfer that kind of difference across everyone you're grouped with. 6 people turn up.

Sorry... you don't get the luxury of an enchanter just being there on red, you work with who else is there, but hey there's an XP bonus which definitely makes up for it.

Who fares better in a pvp situation? A cleric/enchanter duo (dispel charm etc, laugh)? Or a sturdy group of 6? Step out of your confined space for a minute and think, there's pvp to deal with.

I'd go as far to say on blue that you'd have left some of my group LFG'ing for an hour.

[Jarlon]

still up or down?

[iruinedyourday]

By the time u can handle those mobs, it's solo or duo material. Taking a full group up there wouldn't be very good exp conpared. Then again there's the full bonus on red.

Go ahead and take your duo up there so I can kill both of you.

Strategy is different on red, and you have to learn to play vastly differently.

[Rayzor84]

Go ahead and take your duo up there so I can kill both of you.

Strategy is different on red, and you have to learn to play vastly differently.

Pretty gangster bro. Not as gangster as you would be with all the slices on your face after u cleaned 3 days of food out of ur neckbeard then hacked at it with a gillette.

[iruinedyourday]

So transfer that kind of difference across everyone you're grouped with. 6 people turn up.

Sorry... you don't get the luxury of an enchanter just being there on red, you work with who else is there, but hey there's an XP bonus which definitely makes up for it.

Who fares better in a pvp situation? A cleric/enchanter duo (dispel charm etc, laugh)? Or a sturdy group of 6? Step out of your confined space for a minute and think, there's pvp to deal with.

I'd go as far to say on blue that you'd have left some of my group LFG'ing for an hour.

Yea, its true... EQ is just more fun when your group is comprised of people that literetly, desperatly could use every item that drops in any XP camp you are doing anywhere in norrath.

Nothing like taking on tranix with a tank wearing bronze.

Red. Its where classic eq is classic

Re99 will be great fun though!!!!

[iruinedyourday]

Pretty gangster bro. Not as gangster as you would be with all the slices on your face after u cleaned 3 days of food out of ur neckbeard then hacked at it with a gillette.

gonna try to be the cool guy on a 15 year old everquest forum posting on a sunday afternoon?

[Jarlon]

seriously is this still up?

[SamwiseRed]

seriously is this still up?

lol

[iruinedyourday]

seriously is this still up?

yup

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/EQ/VT.JPG

[Daldaen]

yup

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/EQ/VT.JPG

Note how in his tellbox he receives a tell about tons of PvP going on. Confirmed irrelevant server screenshot.

/youngdetective off

[Cecily]

Is not. Notice how that player's name is blue.

[Clark]

Note how in his tellbox he receives a tell about tons of PvP going on. Confirmed irrelevant server screenshot.

/youngdetective off

lol

[iruinedyourday]

rofl i left that in to remind yall that fun stuff is happening while you sit and camp verina tomb on red.

and by sit and camp i mean, go and see if she is not up.

because shes always up.

n i aint scurrd

[Daldaen]

rofl i left that in to remind yall that fun stuff is happening while you sit and camp verina tomb on red.

and by sit and camp i mean, go and see if she is not up.

because shes always up.

n i aint scurrd

Of course she's always up on a server with less players than there are zones.

[iruinedyourday]

Of course she's always up on a server with less players than there are zones.

if you wana get compeditive... less players, yet more going on. :cool:

[SamwiseRed]

Of course she's always up on a server with less players than there are zones.

blue pop is highly inflated. i imagine 10% of your population is afk or a box. i mean 100 of your pop are usually ec tunnelers. the active population of the two servers are closer than you think.

[Swish]

Of course she's always up on a server with less players than there are zones.

We got 300 zones in EQ? Shit, I need to travel more.

I remember when the blue pop was about 500.

[Swish]

http://imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/05/18/Untitled292e7c.png

blue as fuck... group XP bonus on red allows everyone to join in.

Give red a try.

[Morbo the Annihilator]

A European, a Chinaman and 3 aussies in Karnors in the middle of EST night.

the only thing that that screenshot proves is that Americans sleep at night.

[Daldaen]

blue pop is highly inflated. i imagine 10% of your population is afk or a box. i mean 100 of your pop are usually ec tunnelers. the active population of the two servers are closer than you think.

At your 10% estimate... Blue is still 4x or more Red population.

[Swish]

At your 10% estimate... Blue is still 4x or more Red population.

Red is 4x more inclusive :)

[Daldaen]

Red is 4x more inclusive :)

Accepting Racist Ventrilo Ranters (I still lol that someone posted that VS video claiming it was to promote the red server), Level 5 Fungi/Epic twinks who gank you when you cannot fight back and win at all, Pluggers who fear the only reason they play on the server and 15 year old boys who get pride from seeing their name in Yellow Text.

Sounds like you've included tons of awesome people :P.

Red is just a penal colony. I would be greatly in favor of all banned players being moved to red and having their ability to /role and /anon disabled permanently.

[RevengeofGio]

post wasn't attempting to get people to join red

i don't expect people like you to switch over to red; you very clearly either just love the raid scene i described or hate everquest pvp(probably because awful at it)

whether or not you join red has nothing to do with the fact that i enjoy a much deeper everquest experience than you and i don't have to go to incredible lengths to do so

Don't you just zerg everyone to hell? or when it is even you clearly out gear the competition? Wow I can't wait to play on red where most of the people are in one guild!
Not only that you celebrate poaching from the 5 people that aren't in your guild.


You guys are like the nazis bragging about stomping Poland. "Yeah our tanks whooped those guys on horseback.. GG nubs."

[Swish]

Spend a session on red and see how much that happens to you. I haven't been attacked by a fungi twink in a long time... why? I don't go into Mistmoore.

[RevengeofGio]

Spend a session on red and see how much that happens to you. I haven't been attacked by a fungi twink in a long time... why? I don't go into Mistmoore.

Not many people playing anywhere else.

[Swish]

Not sure if something changed but there always used to be some action in Highkeep.

[curtischoy]

For everything we have to complain about on Blue there is something to complain about on Red. And vice versa.

We have poopsocks and races, you have one sided zergs.
We have low lvl epic rogs that expect a non-twinked warrior to keep aggro, you have twinked griefers.

etc. etc.

[Tameth]

Red is just a penal colony. I would be greatly in favor of all banned players being moved to red and having their ability to /role and /anon disabled permanently.

I can get on board with this. Daldaen red as fuck!

[iruinedyourday]

Accepting Racist Ventrilo Ranters (I still lol that someone posted that VS video claiming it was to promote the red server), Level 5 Fungi/Epic twinks who gank you when you cannot fight back and win at all, Pluggers who fear the only reason they play on the server and 15 year old boys who get pride from seeing their name in Yellow Text.

Sounds like you've included tons of awesome people :P.

Red is just a penal colony. I would be greatly in favor of all banned players being moved to red and having their ability to /role and /anon disabled permanently.

Dam dude you sound like a 15 year old boy here, you'd fit right in.