potion market is very sick

[blondeattk]

there is a deep malaise in the potion market in ec!

SOme fools are trying to undercut the normal price for sow potions. Which is a dumb attempt to capture the market?? Selling potions at 90p will not work out, and is very selfish/short sighted.

Perhaps potions sellers need to branch out a bit. I occasionally hammer over to kunark and sell there, with mixed results.

As we know there is a limited range of potions that sell. The rest tend to be not understood by the non-shm folk out there, and tbh many potions are underwhelming for the cost.

Quite often am in ec at weird times, so i manage to miss the peak of competition, as its very frustrating when 3+ shms are competing over trade in the tunnel.

ALchemy seems to be in the doldrums at present. Perhaps velious may reawaken th toe market, once ports to surefall glade exist.

Whats the feeling amoungst shms about how its going at present?

[Brocode]

time to make pot versus fail versus cost benefits are not even worth, with the time spent if you sell for those prices.

Also recharge destroys the market.

[Ocelo]

There are enough shamans trying to sell that it'll be difficult to collude on price and fix the SoW pot market.

That being said. There is no reason to sell a SoW pot for less than 100pp. The cost is like 63 plat already so the margin is very small to begin with. 90pp is absurd.

[blondeattk]

time to make pot versus fail versus cost benefits are not even worth, with the time spent if you sell for those prices.

Also recharge destroys the market.

tbh i dont think the majority of players recharge potions. I can see the benefits of recharging a gate potion, as they are so expensive. lower end potions wont be recharged....most players buying sow pots would never ever think of doing this.

[SamwiseRed]

feels good manipulating the market

[Greenergrocer]

What's the total cost to make a sow pot? What's wrong with selling at 90p?

[Kengo]

What's the total cost to make a sow pot? What's wrong with selling at 90p?


That being said. There is no reason to sell a SoW pot for less than 100pp. The cost is like 63 plat already so the margin is very small to begin with. 90pp is absurd.

[Swish]

Money saving tip of the day, sell your 10 charge sow pot when it has a single charge remaining.

You're welcome.

[blondeattk]

What's the total cost to make a sow pot? What's wrong with selling at 90p?

nothing, just confirms you as professional TWAT

[TheThaloc]

What's the total cost to make a sow pot? What's wrong with selling at 90p?

There is a very thin profit margin on sow pots as is. On red, I get 120p pet 10 dose. Anything less is not worth my time.

[loramin]

The problem is the game, not the server (although I'm sure the many years of Kunark hasn't helped). Red's prices may be a little higher than Blue's because of their lower population, but even having 20-30% of Blue's population only results in a 30 plat or so difference in price.

The core issue is that in the classic era ALL tradeskills are worthless, with only a few exceptions (a couple pieces of jewelry, 10-slot backpacks, and a few potions; maybe a few other items if you're generous). Because there are so few marketable tradeskill items every tradeskiller and their brother makes those items, and basic economics tells you that too many sellers = race to the lowest price possible.

Because of that, you can't fix SoW potion prices with a player-run cartel. The only thing that will help a little is Velious (which introduces a few new decent tradeskill items, eg. tailored armor) and some imaginary future custom content. But other than that, complaining about tradeskills not making money in (classic) EQ is like complaining about not being able to create a home in the game: yes empty buildings exist, but nothing will ever let you own a home in EQ because the game was never designed to allow it.

Likewise, classic EQ was never really designed for tradeskills to be meaningful. They were seen as much more of an RP thing, which came out of EQ's MUD origins.

[EQJubilee]

So if it only costs 63 plat to make why is asking 90 plat (a hefty markup) such a problem? By the way how much does it cost to recharge a 10 charge SOW potion?

[blondeattk]

`why is asking 90 plat....... such a problem?`

all it achieves is to shit on your fellow shms. Stops them building revenue to make the more expensive combines and hence gain skillups. In practice revenue also comes from other sources, farming drops etc
DOnt think there are mob dropped herbs in velious? Not till chardokv2 do any appear,a s far as i recall.*
There is no real point in trying to start a price war on sow pots. It wont achieve anything useful.

rough guess of alchemy cost,to raise....

1-50 3k (assuming you max it at guild master)
50=100 8k
100-125 5k
126-150 5k
150+ 8k ?

all depends on having wis over 200 for less fails. These are guesstimates, am not anal enough to have recorded it all on paper! Maybe someone can come up with a more accurate figure?

*should bring down cost of gate potions!

[Lorian]

I dont see why this would be a strange thing, it is just basic capitalism? As supply increases and demand stays static price goes down and this is not only for SoW potions but for any sellable item or service (such as Rogue epic MQ) in the game.

[Furniture]

selling sow pots 80pp PM me

[Ocelo]

Frankly, we should just sell them at cost, blow up the market completely and drive away the undersellers. Then we can start over again when the dust settles.

[Widan]

45% ROI not high enough, you heard it here first.

[webrunner5]

selling sow pots 80pp PM me

Heh, I think I will get on my Shaman and sell them for 79 plat lol. :p:p Why not, still a good profit. :)