Erudite Cleric a bad choice?

[serjordanmormont]

Hello all,

I've started a Erudite cleric as my first toon on P99. I haven't played EQ in a long time so it's safe to say I am once again a newb, but the prospect of P99 has me excited to play once again.

On most of the Cleric forums Erudite clerics are hardly mentioned. Everybody seems to lean toward the elves and halflings by the looks of it. Is there any reason I should not go with a Erudite, or are they just not a popular race for aesthetic reasons??

Any help is appreciated!

Thanks!

[Pyrion]

Erudites are known for high intelligence, clerics need wisdom more. But you are not screwed as an erudite cleric, you should be fine. As erudite you can choose to be an evil cleric (starting in paineel) or a good one, which was it for you? As an evil cleric you may be able to later make xp killing skeleton guards in paineel (i heard you don't get faction hits for them), so that would be an interesting choice.

[ArumTP]

Not bad choice,

Close stat spread to a dark elf, and people play those. Same base wis a dark elf, and dwarf. Higher than a gnome, human, or halfling.

Halfing good for sneaking. High elves good for tunare bracer. Dwarves for inate + 5 MR.

From a pure min/max High elf is the best dwarf is worst.

[Jmcwrestling]

I play an erudite cleric myself and I'm having no trouble doing my everyday cleric duties.
I have yet to see another erudite cleric so the uniqueness makes up for any stats you are missing out on , which as stated above, is not much.
And I believe erudites also get innate MR as we'll but I've been wrong before.

[Pint]

The only bad choice you can make is starting to play classic eq again, everything after that is just a choice.

[Swish]

My red cleric is a CT worshipping erudite cleric who started in Paineel. It's certainly different in terms of where you start and where you end up leveling.

You're right there's not many on blue at all. The issue for most people is its away from EC, away from being able to twink up easily and away from things like CB belt quests and free buffs in the tunnel.

People like easy. That's another reason why there arguably aren't as many barbarians in the game as you'd find on live servers back in classic times :)

[serjordanmormont]

Erudites are known for high intelligence, clerics need wisdom more. But you are not screwed as an erudite cleric, you should be fine. As erudite you can choose to be an evil cleric (starting in paineel) or a good one, which was it for you? As an evil cleric you may be able to later make xp killing skeleton guards in paineel (i heard you don't get faction hits for them), so that would be an interesting choice.

I went with Quellious as I like the lore. I'm hearing that CT may have been a better choice because Paineel has better quests. Just wanted to try something different as I plan to roll and Iksar Shaman at some point and will have to go CT on him.

[serjordanmormont]

My red cleric is a CT worshipping erudite cleric who started in Paineel. It's certainly different in terms of where you start and where you end up leveling.

You're right there's not many on blue at all. The issue for most people is its away from EC, away from being able to twink up easily and away from things like CB belt quests and free buffs in the tunnel.

People like easy. That's another reason why there arguably aren't as many barbarians in the game as you'd find on live servers back in classic times :)

Yeah fair enough. I've been leveling in Qeynos area and it seems to be great xp, plus they have the Gnoll tooth quest for a bit of an exp boost. Seems to be a decent amount of people there too although not as populated as the commons and/or gfay.

[serjordanmormont]

Not bad choice,

Close stat spread to a dark elf, and people play those.

From a pure min/max High elf is the best dwarf is worst.

Good point!

[Swish]

Make sure to do this quest: http://wiki.project1999.com/Rabid_Wolves

It's a decent amount of plat for not much effort - I think there's 2 in Qeynos Hills.

[serjordanmormont]

I play an erudite cleric myself and I'm having no trouble doing my everyday cleric duties.
I have yet to see another erudite cleric so the uniqueness makes up for any stats you are missing out on , which as stated above, is not much.
And I believe erudites also get innate MR as we'll but I've been wrong before.

I'm really enjoying the uniqueness aspect as well! I'm pretty sure they do get innate MR as well but are -5 to something else.

[serjordanmormont]

Make sure to do this quest: http://wiki.project1999.com/Rabid_Wolves

It's a decent amount of plat for not much effort - I think there's 2 in Qeynos Hills.

Awesome, will do. Thanks for this!

[Swish]

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[Nirgon]

goog quest

CT religion eru clerics are dubious to like... everything

do the red wine neriak quest for a better home city location and you're set (avoid necro guild / Xa'Timpi and pals)

[emdubwubwub]

It seems like it would be pretty rough being an evil-ish race/class combo without invisibility or run speed.

[Nirgon]

It seems like it would be pretty rough being an evil-ish race/class combo without invisibility or run speed.

you'd be surprised how well liked the CT Erudites are out in Norrath

dubious but not attacked

[tristantio]

My CZ Erudite cleric on red can train at the cleric guild in NFP (apprehensive) so it really is a nice faction (most evil erudites are welcome almost everywhere - my erudite shadow knight hasn't been KOS with any home towns other than troll/ogre iirc).

[Ezalor]

evil erudite clerics are the coolest clerics in the game.

[curtischoy]

From a pure min/max High elf is the best dwarf is worst.

Wrong. Dwaves have more STA than any race which is the most important stat, then wis is 2nd.

Dorfs have +25 sta and -12 wis on high elves. Giving them +13 to stats over high elves. However, for a Dwarf you should put +5 to agi to have 75. So you really have +8 over high elves. Wis is much easier to max than sta.

Dwaves have best starting str/sta and 2nd best wis. They win. Also, Dorfs are awesome.

[PDX0621]

Just rolled CT Erudite Cleric last night on Red!

[mr_jon3s]

Im just waiting for the steelsilk armor to come out. http://wiki.project1999.com/Imbued_Steelsilk_(Quellious)

Once its out gonna twink an erudite cleric.

[Nirgon]

Just rolled CT Erudite Cleric last night on Red!

now you're talkin

[ArumTP]

Wrong. Dwaves have more STA than any race which is the most important stat, then wis is 2nd.

Dorfs have +25 sta and -12 wis on high elves. Giving them +13 to stats over high elves. However, for a Dwarf you should put +5 to agi to have 75. So you really have +8 over high elves. Wis is much easier to max than sta.

Dwaves have best starting str/sta and 2nd best wis. They win. Also, Dorfs are awesome.

If you're not taking into consideration Sal'Varae's Robe of Darkness and the reasonably more obtainable Symbol of Tunarian Worship into consideration, you aren't min/maxing.

1 STA = 3 HP, so a 75 HP spread is what you're hanging your hat on?

[azeth]

Not bad choice,

Close stat spread to a dark elf, and people play those. Same base wis a dark elf, and dwarf. Higher than a gnome, human, or halfling.

Halfing good for sneaking. High elves good for tunare bracer. Dwarves for inate + 5 MR.

From a pure min/max High elf is the best dwarf is worst.

dark elves can hide, it's an innate ability. IMO thats the min/max best choice, Dark Elf.

[Nirgon]

if its going to be his first char on red... being able to come and go from most cities and bind/bank is going to be great

groups catering to you is nice, so is being able to rock Azure Sky / Salv

Erudite has a lil more starting MR than the average char, so does dorf but... eru CT stuff is good questing, got one to 60 on blue (MLK!), highly recommend

[serjordanmormont]

Thanks for all the help everybody. Really appreciate the responses trying to help a newbie out.

Seems like the vast majority of you say CT is the way to go. Honestly, if i'm going evil I'd rather just go Innoruuk DE. I picked Erudite specifically because I wanted to be good alignment.

I also probably should have specified that I'm blue not red.

[lecompte]

If you're not taking into consideration Sal'Varae's Robe of Darkness and the reasonably more obtainable Symbol of Tunarian Worship into consideration, you aren't min/maxing.

1 STA = 3 HP, so a 75 HP spread is what you're hanging your hat on?

I'm with Curtis: If you're min/maxing, you're looking at end game and who cares about a robe and an amulet -- all about dat HP and MR... Only thing bad about dwarves is you can't wear Robe of the Azure Sky.

Basically, I'm down with play what you wanna play. Value of a class is 99% the player and 1% the race. Can't fix a bad player and there is a big difference between a great player and a mediocre player when the cards are down. (that said, a cleric is gonna be sad if they are taking damage and would have been able to clutch that CH on the tank if they had 75 more hp)

[Nirgon]

for good alignment do HIE Tunare

they get a spammable root neck (http://wiki.project1999.com/Warden_Symbol_of_Tunare) (frees up spell slot) / PoG quest (http://wiki.project1999.com/Symbol_of_Tunarian_Worship) (for immersion and really good bracer) in Velious

oh and highest starting wisdom / great starting zone (Fayd has highest/easiest ZEM dungeons for starting out)

[ArumTP]

I'm with Curtis: If you're min/maxing, you're looking at end game and who cares about a robe and an amulet -- all about dat HP and MR... Only thing bad about dwarves is you can't wear Robe of the Azure Sky.

Basically, I'm down with play what you wanna play. Value of a class is 99% the player and 1% the race. Can't fix a bad player and there is a big difference between a great player and a mediocre player when the cards are down. (that said, a cleric is gonna be sad if they are taking damage and would have been able to clutch that CH on the tank if they had 75 more hp)

I speak of pure min/max.
Ignoring the click effect of a donnals that makes is some serious broke ass shit
http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky
Now lets throw this one into the mix http://wiki.project1999.com/Sal%60Varae%60s_Robe_of_Darkness.

In short, if you're going to be a cleric, you want to be in the robe wearing races for cleric. SO we will say all robe clerics are good. Gnomes, Humans, Erudites, Dark Elves, and High Elves.

High elves get http://wiki.project1999.com/Symbol_of_Tunarian_Worship Which isn't a particularly hard quest do to. People will have significantly more difficulty picking up faction armor sets than this one.

If you genuinely want dat hp and dat mr, dwarf base stats don't make up for the BiS items they can't wear.

[Cecily]

Human / Eru can quest a fear clicky mask from Paineel. Inny clerics can quest the snare neck. Human / Eru can wear robes. I'd go with human personally, but Erudite plate classes look great too. It's not a bad choice.

[curtischoy]

1 STA = 3 HP, so a 75 HP spread is what you're hanging your hat on?

And a drop from Vulak is what you're hanging yours on?

If I am going to be hardcore raiding class C, sure. But most people will never kill him.

Also, you forgot to account for the barrel roll.

[Clark]

My favorite cleric is an Erudite Cleric. :)

Wish they had cooler looking plate armor though.

[Swish]

My favorite cleric is an Erudite Cleric. :)

Wish they had cooler looking plate armor though.

The female plate armor is bad, my rogue is embarrassed to use an erudite mask :(

[Rooj]

Aren't there new graphics coming in Velious though?

[azeth]

Aren't there new graphics coming in Velious though?

I dunno what the deal is with custom hats. I didn't think they were in for velious release, but added afterward.

[Ele]

I speak of pure min/max.
Ignoring the click effect of a donnals that makes is some serious broke ass shit
http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky
Now lets throw this one into the mix http://wiki.project1999.com/Sal%60Varae%60s_Robe_of_Darkness.

In short, if you're going to be a cleric, you want to be in the robe wearing races for cleric. SO we will say all robe clerics are good. Gnomes, Humans, Erudites, Dark Elves, and High Elves.

High elves get http://wiki.project1999.com/Symbol_of_Tunarian_Worship Which isn't a particularly hard quest do to. People will have significantly more difficulty picking up faction armor sets than this one.

If you genuinely want dat hp and dat mr, dwarf base stats don't make up for the BiS items they can't wear.

No robe can give a cleric sneak and hide. Both forms of the robe's flowing thought are replaceable by other BIS. http://wiki.project1999.com/Matchless_Dragonhide_Breastplate is good enough considering the other relevant stats will cap with buffs.

[Daldaen]

No robe can give a cleric sneak and hide. Both forms of the robe's flowing thought are replaceable by other BIS. http://wiki.project1999.com/Matchless_Dragonhide_Breastplate is good enough considering the other relevant stats will cap with buffs.

And explain to me why a cleric needs sneak or hide.

Dark Elves get Hide, which I can see some purpose for when the class can't invis them self.

Sneak though, meh, doesn't really help. Once sneak pulling is fixed, Halfling innate sneak will be extremely hit or miss. Doing quests that are indifferent sure, or you could just invis turnin with most every mob. Which leaves maybe vendoring somewhere you're dubious, which faction work can resolve or you can just vendor in another zone.

Basically, Halflings confirmed worst race next to Gnomes.

[curtischoy]

Which leaves maybe vendoring somewhere you're dubious, which faction work can resolve or you can just vendor in another zone.

Two things no one wants to do. Especially faction /puke

But enuf min/max. My new main will be a Gnome Warrior with all starting points into Charisma.

[webrunner5]

And explain to me why a cleric needs sneak or hide.

Dark Elves get Hide, which I can see some purpose for when the class can't invis them self.

Sneak though, meh, doesn't really help. Once sneak pulling is fixed, Halfling innate sneak will be extremely hit or miss. Doing quests that are indifferent sure, or you could just invis turnin with most every mob. Which leaves maybe vendoring somewhere you're dubious, which faction work can resolve or you can just vendor in another zone.

Basically, Halflings confirmed worst race next to Gnomes.

Clerics NEVER get an Inviz spell is why Hide, Sneak is important. :p

[cukazi]

You all are forgetting the best thing about being a cleric.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Brell_Serilis_Symbol_Quests

That makes dwarf or gnome the best choice for min maxing.

Because who don't like free beer?

[Madbad]

The only bad choice you can make is starting to play classic eq again, everything after that is just a choice.

LOOL

[Tasslehofp99]

or are they just not a popular race for aesthetic reasons??


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[webrunner5]

They are the LEAST played race on here mostly because of their starting area. A few classes they stand out stats wise. :) But with most, they are at the bottom of the pile stats wise, gear wise. :eek:

[serjordanmormont]

Thanks for all the input. I decided to re-roll as a High Elf!

[Swish]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/racist1.gif

The variety on those, lol.

http://i.imgur.com/SGeyJ4k.gif


Good luck with the high elf OP, just try to keep away from the plate helms ;)

[serjordanmormont]

The variety on those, lol.

http://i.imgur.com/SGeyJ4k.gif


Good luck with the high elf OP, just try to keep away from the plate helms ;)

Thanks Swish!

Haha I know, right? No lack of creativity there. Is it still racist if I'm black?

[Swish]

Thanks Swish!

Haha I know, right? No lack of creativity there. Is it still racist if I'm black?

I don't know but I bet Kagatob would love to debate it in RNF :p