PnP is classic, with highlights

[Nirgon]

http://www.brokentoys.org/?p=507


Play Nice Policies: A revision to the GM/Guide FAQ and Rules of Conduct.

Kill Stealing will now be regarded as disruption and will result in disciplinary action when witnessed by any GM or Guide. The GM or Guide will review these situations on an individual basis and issue a decision which is considered binding upon all parties involved. This may include a requirement to depart the immediate zone or spawn area. Kill Stealing is defined as attacking an NPC with the intent to deprive another player or group of the experience or loot from that NPC. This practice commonly occurs in popular spawn areas. In these instances, the player or group who was first on the scene will have the rights to the kill. Players are encouraged to cooperate in these situations!

Intentional Training of NPC’s and PvP Switch Avoidance will result in immediate disciplinary action when witnessed by a GM or Guide. We are aware that accidents often happen causing unintentional Trains, and will scrutinize each report of this activity closely.

Fraud in all transactions between players will result in disciplinary action when confirmed by a GM. An example of this activity would be offering to recover the possessions from the corpse of another player, and refusing to return that property to it’s owner. Secure Trade Window Circumvention involving the sale of items in-game between players will also be prohibited and punishable under this rule.

The definition of Harassment will be expanded to include any use of any functionality to harm or otherwise inconvenience another player. An example of this would be dispelling another player’s protective spells without his consent. As always, measures will be taken in game code to prevent these activities.

Yielding the Right of Way is an issue where players choose to camp spawn sites (usually for treasure) where the monsters do not provide experience. This problem is initially being addressed in a broad plan involving changes to popular spawn areas and the inclusion of new quests. If and when we are comfortable with the success of these changes, we will consider the implementation of the Yield rule. This will require higher-level players or groups to yield to lower-level players in any situation where the NPC’s being fought consider green to the higher-level players. Due to the controversial nature of this issue, we will be conducting a comprehensive poll on this specific subject.

In the PvP+ environment, several issues will now be included in the definition of harassment. Bind Point Camping, or the practice of killing a player multiple times at his or her bind point. Corpse Camping, in which players lie in wait (often invisible or hidden) to kill another player who is returning to loot their corpse after a death. Zone Border Camping, which occurs when players attack other players before they obtain control of their character after crossing a zone boundary.

Disciplinary issues involving guilds will also be addressed on a broader basis. Guilds whose members habitually violate any of the Rules of Conduct may be disbanded. In addition, Monopolizing numerous spawn areas with the intent to exclude other players will not be permitted. If investigated and verified by a GM, Monopolizing will result in the disbanding of the guild.

I will paraphrase from the current GM/Guide FAQ as a reminder for anyone who may not be familiar with our responsibilities as they relate to the enforcement of our customer service policies. Verant GM Administrators review records of disciplinary incidents on a daily basis. Action is taken based on the severity and nature of the offense, and/or the number of warnings issued to the customer. These
actions may include but are not limited to, temporary suspension or permanent banning from the game. Be advised that you may not receive any notification or warnings, in-game or otherwise, prior to disciplinary action being taken against your account.

As an additional note, please be aware that the /report command is to be used in conjunction with the /petition function for players to inform us of violations of the Rules of Conduct in all issues related to verbal harassment or threats and offensive language. After executing the /report command in one of these situations, remember to follow up with a /petition so that the situation can be promptly addressed.

We will be using the polling function of the Chat Server to gather your opinions on these subjects, and determine what issues are most important to you as EverQuest players. Implementation of the Play Nice Policies, in whole or in part, will be made contingent upon that determination. You will see an official notice on the patch server
message and at www.everquest.com prior to the enforcement of these policies. Until that time, the standard policies will remain in effect.

Although you’re in OUR world now, YOU are the characters whose lives and stories make EverQuest what it is today. You are the most important part of our world. We will continue to improve our policies and service to provide you with the best online gaming experience possible.

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to read this. From myself, the
GM’s and Guides, and everyone in the EverQuest Customer Service Department, have fun and Play Nice!!!

-Jeff Butler
Lead GM EverQuest
Customer Service Manager
Verant Interactive, Inc.



GMs were far more present, stricter and listened a lot less than the GMs do now. You have a way more toxic (red to some of the weak minded folks here) environment.

Notice how even camping a zoneline (KC) is regarded as not allowed. You can call that blue, but we had item loot.

No bull shit here. Feel free to hit up big Jeff Butler if you got any problems or want to try to work with him on revising history/saying this policy never existed (1999 seems classic to me).

[Luniz]

Paid service = staff represent a company = customer service

[Nirgon]

Yeah this is more in response to people saying nothing like this ever existed

Love dis prof stuff, works gr8

[heartbrand]

Paid service = staff represent a company = customer service

Guides were volunteers.

[Vanquisher]

I thought Sirken was already paid pretty well considering how much he favors empire and aim chat crew

[heartbrand]

While I know you're probably referencing the paid GMs, guides back then in the "petition era" did the vast majority of patrolling Norrath. They were the police of the server and the GM staff were the judges who would adjudicate based upon the guides findings. There's no reason we can't have more guides here.

[Luniz]

Guides were volunteers.

representing a corporation

[heartbrand]

There could be better CSR here if they created an efficient guide program.

[Syft-X]

In the PvP+ environment, several issues will now be included in the definition of harassment. Bind Point Camping, or the practice of killing a player multiple times at his or her bind point. Corpse Camping, in which players lie in wait (often invisible or hidden) to kill another player who is returning to loot their corpse after a death. Zone Border Camping, which occurs when players attack other players before they obtain control of their character after crossing a zone boundary.


Everyone knows bindcamping and corpsecamping was illegal on every PvP server but sullon zek. No one ever questioned that...



I'd love a perfectly classic server, keep twistin'

btw doing things like dispelling raid mobs or interrupting a healer and gating to cause a wipe would be:

1st offense: suspension
2nd: 2 week suspension
3rd: ban

on RZ

It fell under intentional xp loss


This is why we all say you are full of shit, because none of this shit applied to Red servers.

But did you miss this rule under the PvP section...

Monopolizing numerous spawn areas with the intent to exclude other players will not be permitted. If investigated and verified by a GM, Monopolizing will result in the disbanding of the guild.


Because you are now trying to fight for rules that would put your guild Empire out of business

SMDH you never miss an opportunity to embarrass yourself God Bless Ya!

[Vanquisher]

tldr, nirgon got away with rmt via skype with sirken

[Efwan]

Talked to Jeff. He said u a big liar.

[Vanquisher]

just tellin the truth u feelers

[Syft-X]

In the PvP+ environment, several issues will now be included in the definition of harassment. Bind Point Camping, or the practice of killing a player multiple times at his or her bind point. Corpse Camping, in which players lie in wait (often invisible or hidden) to kill another player who is returning to loot their corpse after a death. Zone Border Camping, which occurs when players attack other players before they obtain control of their character after crossing a zone boundary.

Disciplinary issues involving guilds will also be addressed on a broader basis. Guilds whose members habitually violate any of the Rules of Conduct may be disbanded. In addition, Monopolizing numerous spawn areas with the intent to exclude other players will not be permitted. If investigated and verified by a GM, Monopolizing will result in the disbanding of the guild.

I totally support Nirgon in these classic rule-sets and hope we can get this instituted and enforced as soon as possible...


HUE HUE HUE

What a clown

[Vitality]

Thanks for the 1999 citation Nirgon. Pretty interesting to compare the old PNP to the current one.

Could barely play the game back then without getting Banned.

[HalflingWarrior]

One KEY issue here:

For any of those "rules" to result in a "punishment" a GM or guide had to witness an incident first hand; no questions asked.

[Nirgon]

Funny Sabbat got pretty much all the raid mobs on RZ for a very long time and was never disciplined or reprimanded :)

[LostCause]

shit i remember on live if you overcamped something a gm would ask you to let someone get a go.

[Cheesypoof]

Funny Sabbat got pretty much all the raid mobs on RZ for a very long time and was never disciplined or reprimanded :)

Good god, you just argued for classic PNP then when called out you changed your mind and argued against it.

[Nirgon]

You can twist that all you like

[Vanquisher]

i could kill people all day long on my delvled rogue in unrest/CB with no LNS on rallos zek just rage tells or help begging not to kill again, mm miss it

[Eslade]

http://i.imgur.com/AOxdD6Y.jpg

[Vanquisher]

googled eslade got this

http://miamiexoticcarrentals.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/cadillac-escalade-03.jpg

[Luniz]

weird tryharding going on here

stick to cosplay

[Vanquisher]

retti stick to shitty music and zerging

[Luniz]

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Cringe+m+little+waifu+source+reddit_c00c1f_5226906 .png

[hatelore]

just tellin the truth u feelers

How clean is your whistle? Since you telling the truth and all. Can a dirty whistle accuse another of being a dirty whistle? When as they blow, shit streams out the end of there whistle? Just curious yo~

[Syft-X]

In the PvP+ environment, several issues will now be included in the definition of harassment. Bind Point Camping, or the practice of killing a player multiple times at his or her bind point. Corpse Camping, in which players lie in wait (often invisible or hidden) to kill another player who is returning to loot their corpse after a death. Zone Border Camping, which occurs when players attack other players before they obtain control of their character after crossing a zone boundary.

Disciplinary issues involving guilds will also be addressed on a broader basis. Guilds whose members habitually violate any of the Rules of Conduct may be disbanded. In addition, Monopolizing numerous spawn areas with the intent to exclude other players will not be permitted. If investigated and verified by a GM, Monopolizing will result in the disbanding of the guild.

Funny Sabbat got pretty much all the raid mobs on RZ for a very long time and was never disciplined or reprimanded :)

Good god, you just argued for classic PNP then when called out you changed your mind and argued against it.

/Thread

Nirgon will argue for every classic rule to be enforced IF it helps his guild, if it doesn't he wants those rules ignored.

[derpcake]

Thanks for the 1999 citation Nirgon. Pretty interesting to compare the old PNP to the current one.

Could barely play the game back then without getting Banned.

I disagree, it was pretty hard to get banned in 2000ish.

For those who played on xegony, I was playing Alabrio, got slighted by Junx / Cognatus, one day when they were raiding fear with 60+ players, I zoned in and shouted "nagasaki hiroshima boom boom". (yes in hindsight it wasn't very nice)

Nothing ever came of it.

I always carried a spare moonstone ring, and silversilk leggings. When either the FBSS or SMR dropped I would be first to loot it, ninja it, and give the 2nd tier item to group leader.

Never got busted.

Finally, and this came a lot later, my druid still has several items from zones it can't acces, and never has been able to access it.

Didn't get busted on that either.

Its fucking hard to get banned on eqlive, I really gave it a good shot :p

[derpcake]

I did get a 3 day suspension for exploiting the FP arena for easy (lol) kills on Jakom Helorom.

This happened after I got busted like 10 times in a week, each time GM would show up and tell me I was exploiting, asking me to leave.

Guess I was shit at EQ back then, but that camped seemed so great :p

[Eslade]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/711/277/325.gif

[Mingo]

Xegony was a cesspool and Lady Daegarmo was a shithead. Definitely got a one weeker for calling him a piece of shit in North Ro after he showed up to stop me from killstealing dervish cutthroats from a group. This was Spring 1999 before he was even the lead GM. Getting banned was pretty hard though, i don't know anyone who got banned. People exploited the stairs in Unrest like crazy when server came out and they only got suspended.

[Nirgon]

He's twisting this rule yet Sabbat was never banned

Corpse campers and griefers got suspended quite a bit

People who trained got suspended quite a bit also then banned

/shrug

PnP was classic, deal with it

[vouss]

Can't wait to be exempt from attacks on zone lines. Don't attack me before I move or you are violating PnP. Classic.

[heartbrand]

Xegony was a cesspool and Lady Daegarmo was a shithead. Definitely got a one weeker for calling him a piece of shit in North Ro after he showed up to stop me from killstealing dervish cutthroats from a group. This was Spring 1999 before he was even the lead GM. Getting banned was pretty hard though, i don't know anyone who got banned. People exploited the stairs in Unrest like crazy when server came out and they only got suspended.

fuck that guy man. he would be a perfect GM on p99 :cool:

[Saludeen]

Can't wait to be exempt from attacks on zone lines. Don't attack me before I move or you are violating PnP. Classic.

This means I get to cast first since my computer is slower. Classic.

[Syft-X]

disciplinary issues involving guilds will also be addressed on a broader basis. Guilds whose members habitually violate any of the Rules of Conduct may be disbanded. In addition, Monopolizing numerous spawn areas with the intent to exclude other players will not be permitted. If investigated and verified by a GM, Monopolizing will result in the disbanding of the guild.

I just quoted what you posted and it bears no resemblance to the classic rules you've been fighting for...


I'd love a perfectly classic server, keep twistin'

btw doing things like dispelling raid mobs or interrupting a healer and gating to cause a wipe would be:

1st offense: suspension
2nd: 2 week suspension
3rd: ban

on RZ

It fell under intentional xp loss

Manaburning or otherwise trying to kill the main tank was fine tho

Yet I'm the one twisting the rules? Not you?

He's twisting this rule yet Sabbat was never banned

Corpse campers and griefers got suspended quite a bit

People who trained got suspended quite a bit also then banned

/shrug

PnP was classic, deal with it

Drugs~

[Eslade]

http://i.imgur.com/W0H7M.gif

[Nirgon]

luv linkin things people say didn't exist

feels goog

[Syft-X]

luv linkin things people say didn't exist

feels goog

do you often have imaginary arguments with people?

[Nirgon]

Realm recently told me that there was no such thing as a "classic pnp" and to kill myself

[Efwan]

I disagree, it was pretty hard to get banned in 2000ish.

For those who played on xegony, I was playing Alabrio, got slighted by Junx / Cognatus, one day when they were raiding fear with 60+ players, I zoned in and shouted "nagasaki hiroshima boom boom". (yes in hindsight it wasn't very nice)

Nothing ever came of it.

I always carried a spare moonstone ring, and silversilk leggings. When either the FBSS or SMR dropped I would be first to loot it, ninja it, and give the 2nd tier item to group leader.

Never got busted.

Finally, and this came a lot later, my druid still has several items from zones it can't acces, and never has been able to access it.

Didn't get busted on that either.

Its fucking hard to get banned on eqlive, I really gave it a good shot :p

Don't know who you are but that is some awesome shit right there lmfao

[Slathar]

i used macroquest on Live for years. id warp blatantly and equip and shurikens of the tranquil to kill raid mobs. never got in trouble.

[Pikrib]

luv linkin things people say didn't exist

feels goog


Good job man! Mission accomplished! Finding that GM post from 15 years ago about PNP that no one read, paid attention to, or enforced was awesome. Your work here is done!

Swift can take over posting every 30 seconds for ya while you stop being an immersed nutjob. Don't worry, your post count will still be here when you get back.

[magician]

wipe

It

Clean

[Nirgon]

BK taking a hard pounding in FQ today.... lord have mercy

Hope Pikrib logs in sometime for a port from OOT and wants to be my pal again, what a sour puss he's been lately

[Syft-X]

Swift can take over posting every 30 seconds for ya while you stop being an immersed nutjob. Don't worry, your post count will still be here when you get back.

I think I can stop posting for abit, I've sufficiently embarrassed Nirgon enough to disrupt his blue agenda...

*Drops microphone, Dons the Crown of Rustle, and slowly walks to Hogwarts*

[Nirgon]

shock of lightning thread real goog

BK convulsing as the prof archs through him

[Syft-X]

BK taking a hard pounding in FQ today.... lord have mercy


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[Nirgon]

How's it feel gettin' served some pipin' hot classic prof 2day?

Feel like I might spawn another BK personality, o welp

[Pikrib]

BK convulsing as the prof archs through him

ok slightly chortled, carry on being immersed.

[Nirgon]

thx Pik, choose carefully which side of the crown of rustle you wanna be on

[quido]

Gaffin, a known liar/cheater and 9-time bannee, makes claims with zero proof and expects people to just take his word for it.

Smart

[Efwan]

the signs of drug abuse, contact our hotline at 1-877-929-0593 to help an Adderall addict.

Nirgon seek help. Maybe they'll give u extra treatment since u have a crown of rile.

[Syft-X]

How's it feel gettin' served some pipin' hot classic prof 2day?

Feel like I might spawn another BK personality, o welp

I think you're on drugs and clapping yourself on the back for losing at forumquest yet again.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17f8bbpn5y2m8jpg/original.jpg

[Nirgon]

its OK to be wrong

if you wanna take it the extra step and get dunked on, thats on u

[Syft-X]

its OK to be wrong

if you wanna take it the extra step and get dunked on, thats on u

LOL you were never in Darkenbane, you don;t know anything about the guild you claim to have been in, you posted a screenshot of you being grouped with a guy in Darkenbane.

I've been grouped with tons of Slosh, Fresh, Curse, Friends, etc but I'm still Azrael.

[Nirgon]

prof posted otherwise

have fun getting raped in Velious like you did in FQ today

[Vanquisher]

nirgon got away with rmt i got a perma ban, thats what happens when your best friends wit h a gm

[hatelore]

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When you feel you are losing, just ad hominem~

[Syft-X]

prof posted otherwise

have fun getting raped in Velious like you did in FQ today

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/12+potato+oh+we+re+all+going+to+hell_cf2938_362250 5.jpg

[Luniz]

syft u still pushing your blue agenda?

didnt read reply

[Syft-X]

syft u still pushing your blue agenda?

didnt read reply

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/62/2plus2.png (http://imageshack.com/f/1q2plus2p)

[Smedy]

oh look another thread where nirgon is try hard conjuring prof which gives his guild a upper hand

it would be a terrible crime if anyone could counteract the tactics of just recruiting everyone on a pvp server, lets keep it blue people, pnp will save us all

[Colgate]

smedy u wanna explain why ur personal directory has an image of a random nice happy family titled lolrettifatasfuck.jpg?

gettin some weird vibes here

[pink grapefruit]

Getting back to the pnp...

Sounds great that interrupting clerics during CH chain is against the rules. Would be even better if attacking people engaged with NPCs at all was not allowed. VZ rules imo.

[Syft-X]

smedy u wanna explain why ur personal directory has an image of a random nice happy family titled lolrettifatasfuck.jpg?

gettin some weird vibes here

Stalking men's photo albums, saying they give him weird vibes, interdasting.

[LostCause]

Getting back to the pnp...

Sounds great that interrupting clerics during CH chain is against the rules. Would be even better if attacking people engaged with NPCs at all was not allowed. VZ rules imo.

LOL

this is pvp server wtf this has gone on since server start but now ppl want it to change.

[Nirgon]

How does camping a zone line with our superior raid force being against the rules benefit us?

You got the tism?

[Runya]

Camping zone lines were an issue when computers sucked.....no one zones that slow anymore

[Runya]

So....gms have to witness firsthand? Can we kill petitionquest? Can we also stop this monopolizing of creatures? Why do you care so much about pnp nirgs? You don't even pvp.Wish a gm would chime in.

[Syft-X]

So....gms have to witness firsthand? Can we kill petitionquest? Can we also stop this monopolizing of creatures? Why do you care so much about pnp nirgs? You don't even pvp.Wish a gm would chime in.

[Nirgon]

So....gms have to witness firsthand? Can we kill petitionquest? Can we also stop this monopolizing of creatures? Why do you care so much about pnp nirgs? You don't even pvp.Wish a gm would chime in.

Come try to take a raid mob from us

[Runya]

Come play when your not surrounded by 70 friends.....nerd.I don't have to your pnp rules suggest your guild should be disbanded....where is the justice?

[Runya]

Come try to take a raid mob from us

I'm embarrassed your from my home server.

[Nirgon]

and yet no top raid guild on a pvp server was ever disbanded for winning content across multiple expansions

corpse camping, bind camping, training? yep, suspensions and bans

[Nirgon]

wahh i left with my retarded insane friend like it would matter

[Runya]

and yet no top raid guild on a pvp server was ever disbanded for winning content across multiple expansions

corpse camping, bind camping, training? yep, suspensions and bans

No one was ever disciplined for attacking during a raid either

[Nirgon]

Hunsa of Rallos Zek dispelled statue of rallos zek in kael, took a suspie and never did it again

So never isn't the word I would choose here

[Runya]

This monopolizing of content makes me sick....can we disband this guild per Nirgon's pnp

[Syft-X]

and yet no top raid guild on a pvp server was ever disbanded for winning content across multiple expansions

corpse camping, bind camping, training? yep, suspensions and bans

So you want a Classic PNP enforced based on this article from Classic you posted, but you want to pick and choose which rules they do enforce...

Monopolizing numerous spawn areas with the intent to exclude other players will not be permitted. If investigated and verified by a GM, Monopolizing will result in the disbanding of the guild.


and which ones they don't.

[Runya]

Got prof?

[Syft-X]

http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/seems-legit-part4-19.jpeg

[Nirgon]

Chuck prob remembers this

[Runya]

Chuck prob remembers this

Oh....that'll replace hard evidence

[Nirgon]

How about you prove it was allowed instead

[Runya]

All bs aside this servers blue enough.....no more of this homo talk just throw down and not train each other.....stop petitioning each other and stop being blue (everyone)

[Runya]

How about you prove it was allowed instead

It had to been allowed if no one can produce one instance it wasn't with prof.

[Runya]

Unless we're going by your pnp.....and if we're following that your guild should be disbanded

[Nirgon]

If you can dig this up somehow..

https://www.everquest.com/library/rz_rule_sets.jsp

might have it

Otherwise: no guild was disbanded for being dominant on live ever. Yes, even if they were as dominant as Empire is currently.

[Nirgon]

Oh here we go someone quoted it

Source: (https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/zek-rule-clarification.97498/page-3)

This link is taken directly from http://eqlive.station.sony.com/library/rz_rule_sets.jsp .



1.
If raid X had yet to engage in the encounter, the raid should find a PvP solution - easy enough, we seem to agree on this.
2. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP - Makes since, the only reason to do so would be to cause intentional experience loss.
3. If both raid X and Y engage simultaneously, they should find a PvP solution - Seems reasonable.
4. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, raid X should find a PvP solution - Violates the rules, this policy simply doesn't work. If group x is engaged w/ PvE content and then group y engages group x, whether they have a full raid force or not, the vast majority of group x will be killed by the PvE content, not by means of PvP so there is no PvP solution in this event, to intentionally do so would cause multiple experience deaths. The only acception to this is if group x engages the PvE content while already engaged in PvP with group y.
5. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y by training, we will enforce the PnP - How ? If group y trains group x while engaged on the PvE encounter, there is no PvP, its simply training.


I win.

Again.

[Syft-X]

If you can dig this up somehow..

https://www.everquest.com/library/rz_rule_sets.jsp

might have it

Otherwise: no guild was disbanded for being dominant on live ever. Yes, even if they were as dominant as Empire is currently.

So you want us to follow your PNP except the parts you don't like, and your proof for which ones we should and shouldn't follow is solely based on your word.

http://i.imgur.com/Tsl90s4.jpg

[Pikrib]

Oh here we go someone quoted it

Source: (https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/zek-rule-clarification.97498/page-3)




I win.

Again.

Link broken please try hard again.

[Pikrib]

nm working now.

[Nirgon]

No that message board is an active link and has quotes from the page that is now down.

Sorry about being right

[SamwiseRed]

That post is from 2005.

[Nirgon]

BK you are trying to get fear and charm into pvp on our timeline and truly believe it worked this way

Its probably the most glaringly obvious pvp change people would remember and you are bashing yourself in the face with it like a retard

[Nirgon]

That post is from 2005.

But when was the set of raid rules created? It was in effect during raid PvP in Velious on Rallos Zek.

I didn't make it up out of thin air and I found a reference to it.

[SamwiseRed]

Where does it say it was in effect during Velious? Not seeing it.

[Runya]

Link doesn't work for me....2005? You must've cried for a pansy rule like that during omens of war or some shit

[Nirgon]

http://www.elitegamerslounge.com/home/soearchive/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=87498

Kefyra wrote:
Alot of people have had questions about the Rallos Zek ruleset and also in regards to the SOE view of what part of each rule entails. Apparently, on each server, the gms have enforced each rule differently. I will break down the ruleset here and ask the questions that most people have had so that can make it more clear and if it's ok with Brenlo, Ashlanne and Kytharrea, repost it onto the other site for everyone to see. The following rules are the main ones that people interpret differently.

On Rallos Zek, PvP-related Play Nice Policy situations are expected to be resolved using PvP solutions. However, Non PvP-related Play Nice Policy issues, such as training, causing intentional experience loss, bind point, zone, and portal camping, as well as other various forms of harassment, are not permitted in the PvP environment.
The main question about this rule is mostly involving "causing intentional experience loss." After talking to various servers, it seems that gms have enforced this rule differently, the main difference being in regards to attacking people while they were engaging mobs. On Tallon Zek, the gms said it was ok to attack on mobs as long as you had a raid force large enough to kill the mob that you were attacking for. For example, say your enemy is engaged on Zum Muram in Ruined City of Dranik. You would not be allowed to send a group of sks to deathtouch clerics or what not ,because a group of sks could not foreseeably fight the mob alone so obviously there to make the raid wipe out intentionally, causing xp loss. However, if you brought your whole raid force to fight for the mob, you were obviously there to pvp and have every intention to fight with the intent of killing your enemy via pvp so therefore were not intentionally causing xp loss.

2004... going back 1 year at a time... it was absolutely in place during Rallos Zek's Velious

[Eslade]

If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP

what if your raid strategy is to wait for the zerg to do a decent amount of the damage, wipe them out and then attempt to take the mob? I would consider that a reasonable chance.

[Pikrib]

That post is from 2005.

Yar and it's a link to a quote of a quote. please find y2k pnp and get back to us.

[Runya]

Never heard of the zones they speak of in the example

[SamwiseRed]

zone and portal camping illegal?

plz enable, much bans.

[Runya]

I love frags response about a blue gm.....was that gm you nirgs? Blue fgt

[Nirgon]

If raid X had yet to engage in the encounter, the raid should find a PvP solution.
If both raid X and Y engage simultaneously, they should find a PvP solution.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, raid X should find a PvP solution.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y by training, we will enforce the PnP.


Enjoy.

*notches FQ belt*

[Pikrib]

zone and portal camping illegal?

plz enable, much bans.

Need to ban Ragnaros again the guy sits at OT hammer spot and engages people before they have control of their characters. :D

[SamwiseRed]

next person that kills me at kc zone-in gonna get banned the fuck up

[Nirgon]

Need to ban Ragnaros again the guy sits at OT hammer spot and engages people before they have control of their characters. :D

Actually this would be something that was illegal under PnP, ya. I got a warning for portal camping on RZ... not even knowing it was a rule when it first came out. Nice to get a warning instead of a stacking suspension, u kno?




1.
If raid X had yet to engage in the encounter, the raid should find a PvP solution
2. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP
3. If both raid X and Y engage simultaneously, they should find a PvP solution
4. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, raid X should find a PvP solution
5. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y by training, we will enforce the PnP


^ this is exactly what should be in place.

If Azrael wants to take 40 or so players and sit there baiting us to engage... fine. If 2 neckbeards wanna sit at character select and listen for a spy call to cause a wipe? Heh, ok. That will work both ways and result in a pretty shitty box.

[Pikrib]

Enjoy.

*notches FQ belt*

You still never posted the origional 1999 link.

[Nirgon]

PnP was around in Velious pal, deal with it

[Pikrib]

You still never posted the origional 1999 link.

[Eslade]

If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y by training, we will enforce the PnP.

ehhh says nothing about just straight out ganking their clerics and dispelling their tanks then cleaning up the mess or wiping.

[Nirgon]

ya it does in part 2


2. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP

[Eslade]

Yeah, but what's considered reasonable chance? That's left up to interpretation. Those rules are ambiguous and probably made and supported by a fire giants.

[Pikrib]

ya it does in part 2

Part 2 of a pnp that was from Planes of Power.

[Runya]

k

[Runya]

Part 2 of a pnp that was from Planes of Power.

[Syft-X]

BK you are trying to get fear and charm into pvp on our timeline and truly believe it worked this way

Its probably the most glaringly obvious pvp change people would remember and you are bashing yourself in the face with it like a retard

Nope was never trying to get fear and charm added as a matter of fact I directly said I was opposed to it like 9 times, even tho you keep trying to sell that lie like no one can read the thread for themselves.

Was merely showing how you pick and choose what you want from Classic depending on how it will impact your guild...just as you are doing now with this PNP BS.

[Nirgon]

got as far as "never trying to get fear and charm added"

started lollin

have a blest one

hope classic pnp goes in so server will continue to have a healthy pop

[Pikrib]

IDK about you guys but i'm having a lot of fun making Nirgon try to find proof.

Get back to yur Wayback machine Nirgon. *cracks whip*

[Runya]

Mana burned main tanks during raids in luclin.....deal with it.... pnp you talk of didn't exist

[Colgate]

have already spoken to the GMs about this

can't wait until you get banned for attacking my raid with less than 75 people while we're engaged with avatar of war

[Nirgon]

prof? Amirite?

:rolleyes:

I cited an example from personal memory, then provided proof of the rule's existence

:cool:

[Syft-X]

got as far as "never trying to get fear and charm added"

started lollin

have a blest one

hope classic pnp goes in so server will continue to have a healthy pop

???

I'm not advocating the addition of Fear or charm in PvP. I'm advocating a return to common sense, where we look at the server realistically based on what it is NOW and not use "It's Classic" to lawyer doctor

I do not advocate rigidly adhering to all things classic, but rather sticking to the "FEEL" of classic pvp. If we are going to blindly institute all things classic then we must institute mechanics like Charm and Fear landing on players.

I think I've stated I'm not trying to get this changed but merely how rigidly sticking to "It's Classic" is bad for server pvp.


I agree Fear and charm was classic in pvp. When exactly it was changed across all servers I do not remember. I also don't agree it should be implemented here.

If you want people to take you seriously again at some point you need to back up an argument with more then slander and lies.

[Nirgon]

Mana burned main tanks during raids in luclin.....deal with it.... pnp you talk of didn't exist

saw people train others and get away with it

the rules existed

[Syft-X]

saw people train others and get away with it

the rules existed

If you want to get something instituted on Red that is absolutely terrible for the server, you need to be less transparent about it then this.

have already spoken to the GMs about this

can't wait until you get banned for attacking my raid with less than 75 people while we're engaged with avatar of war

[SamwiseRed]

Need prof the rules existed in velious. I have everything to gain from this as I hate zone campers/huggers

[Eslade]

Can't wait to bring these new rules to the court of petitionquest.

[Nirgon]

Can't wait to bring these new rules to the court of petitionquest.

Need this ratified for server health so we do not repeat the mistakes of past servers

[Efwan]

got as far as "never trying to get fear and charm added"

started lollin

have a blest one

hope classic pnp goes in so server will continue to have a healthy pop

Velious with no chance of the raid mobs because we can't even pvp on a raid? Rofl that won't help pop at all. Pretty dumb I can't go 6v100 if I so choose. Have a hard time believing gms would agree with that logic.

[Runya]

Complete troll....no prof....cya in thurg pussies

[Nirgon]

Already posted prof and a quote of the rules

What's that like 4-0 on recent claims that I was "making shit up" from BK? And I guess you by extension because who knows.

[Runya]

2004 quote.....2005 post that makes you 0-1 with me dog

[Runya]

Velious with no chance of the raid mobs because we can't even pvp on a raid? Rofl that won't help pop at all. Pretty dumb I can't go 6v100 if I so choose. Have a hard time believing gms would agree with that logic.

That's because there's no logic to it.....don't get rustled by trolls

[Nirgon]

That whole "you were never" and "doesn't exist" thing blew up in yawls 2 faces big time

[Syft-X]

This is saddest most desperate attempt to lawyer quest uncontested Dragons I've ever seen.

[Luniz]

http://33.media.tumblr.com/bc25998b61a9b65b117e121a9139fd27/tumblr_inline_mjm4wzFWoA1qeimwq.png

[Nirgon]

"Find me a patch note that says fear was ever removed before this"

-- One is produced


"Naw that ain't real!"

-- lols ensue

[Eslade]

I wonder what those posts said about camping the nexus portal in GD.

[Runya]

"Find me a patch note that says fear was ever removed before this"

-- One is produced


"Naw that ain't real!"

-- lols ensue

We're talking about raid contesting....not fear/charm that was removed in 99-00

[Ragnaros]

That PNP rule wasnt for all pvp sony servers fyi

[Nirgon]

SZ had legal training, it was an evil team dominated toilet

I know, I played there too

[Syft-X]

This is the only part of that PNP that applies to SOME PvP Servers

In the PvP+ environment, several issues will now be included in the definition of harassment. Bind Point Camping, or the practice of killing a player multiple times at his or her bind point. Corpse Camping, in which players lie in wait (often invisible or hidden) to kill another player who is returning to loot their corpse after a death. Zone Border Camping, which occurs when players attack other players before they obtain control of their character after crossing a zone boundary.

Disciplinary issues involving guilds will also be addressed on a broader basis. Guilds whose members habitually violate any of the Rules of Conduct may be disbanded. In addition, Monopolizing numerous spawn areas with the intent to exclude other players will not be permitted. If investigated and verified by a GM, Monopolizing will result in the disbanding of the guild.


Why Nirgon is fighting have a PNP enabled that is mostly enforced here by LNS and will ultimately cause his guild to be disbanded is beyond me...I'd have to go with DRUGS!

[Nirgon]

no guild in history ever was disbanded for that on a pvp or pve server

disrupting a zone, yes, you'd get nailed for that

[Luniz]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/18/4a/af/184aafc1315fe9da7be19af97a15a05d.jpg

[HippoNipple]

This is the only part of that PNP that applies to SOME PvP Servers



Why Nirgon is fighting have a PNP enabled that is mostly enforced here by LNS and will ultimately cause his guild to be disbanded is beyond me...I'd have to go with DRUGS!

queer

[Ragnaros]

The shit I dont like is that with pnp on red99 its so ridiculously easy to get someone you dislile suspended because of access to a petition forum. On live if you were being corpse camped you would have to /petition and a GM would talk to you and tell you to stop. Here you just screenshot and upload to forum and get 10 players banned in a heartbeat. PNP is negatively affecting this server and is proving to be an abused and toxic tool for the playerbase to use.

[Syft-X]

no guild in history ever was disbanded for that on a pvp or pve server

disrupting a zone, yes, you'd get nailed for that

Dude you can't post a PNP stating it should be instituted because it's classic and then pick and choose which rules we should follow and which ones we shouldn't?

Why isn't this making sense to you?

[Ragnaros]

Also if we are being honest there wasnt really monopolization of raid targets on live like here besides sullon zek (no rules) servers like rz tz and vz all had agreed rotations

[Nirgon]

RZ did not have an agreed rotation in Velious, we had a war

[Syft-X]

RZ did not have an agreed rotation in Velious, we had a war

No one guild on Rallos monopolized raid target like we've seen here

[Eslade]

RZ did not have an agreed rotation in Velious, we had a war

Was 60% of the server in one guild?

[pink grapefruit]

Also if we are being honest there wasnt really monopolization of raid targets on live like here besides sullon zek (no rules) servers like rz tz and vz all had agreed rotations

VZ did not have rotations.

[Nirgon]

Dude you can't post a PNP stating it should be instituted because it's classic and then pick and choose which rules we should follow and which ones we shouldn't?

Why isn't this making sense to you?

I know how they work and can prove no one was disbanded for being a dominant raid pvp guild. Ever.

You don't and are twisting -- this rule you are going after is along the lines of being in Najena and camping the key mobs on a pve server to prevent people from being able to camp things you don't need

People were suspended for portal camping, training, bind camping, harassing other players, harassing/attacking staff, and... (drum roll) dispelling raid mobs etc with a force that has no chance of killing it! I have a link with proof of the rule to back up my citation of a specific player, mob and occurrence.

You, on the other hand, think fear and charm should be added to this server "because its classic" and your friend Runya here is telling you otherwise. You're really goofed up lol... hope Quantized still isn't "out to get you".

[Ragnaros]

There was some but little pvp still in Velious and even then there was rotations with AD/Wudan, all im sayong was that there was never one guild getting all the targets, not even today. Sony never let it happen because it would make a pvp real ugly
So i think we need to be real classic here, we can play the blue way or have no rules, we cant pick and choose what suits us

[Ragnaros]

And yes Vallon Zek had rotations in classic and kunark, it wasnt needed for velious because there wasnt a large variety of guilds in TOV like there was in RZ

[Eslade]

I know how they work and can prove no one was disbanded for being a dominant raid pvp guild. Ever.

You don't and are twisting -- this rule you are going after is along the lines of being in Najena and camping the key mobs on a pve server to prevent people from being able to camp things you don't need

People were suspended for portal camping, training, bind camping, harassing other players, harassing/attacking staff, and... (drum roll) dispelling raid mobs etc with a force that has no chance of killing it! I have a link with proof of the rule to back up my citation of a specific player, mob and occurrence.

You, on the other hand, think fear and charm should be added to this server "because its classic" and your friend Runya here is telling you otherwise. You're really goofed up lol... hope Quantized still isn't "out to get you".

got proof?

[Nirgon]

got proof?

your turn

I'm right, prove me wrong

[HippoNipple]

You guys are putting a lot of effort into getting some sort of rule in place on a server where rules are rarely followed by GMs when making decisions.

When it comes down to it, if a GM is present and they see something that looks like a dick move they will just ban everyone involved regardless of what the rules are.

[Ragnaros]

All im sayin is do yall wanna play on a fun server, or a server that only benefits your side?
Dunno bout yawl but i play this 16 year old emulator for fun

[Nirgon]

Fun is people on both sides having no lifers ready to run in and dispel until 6am-8am to grief right

Trains are fun too, I'm sure

That kind of stuff belongs on one of Salty's servers

[Eslade]

can't wait until you guys are engaged to a raid mob and the resistance cornholes you.

[Nirgon]

that im fine with from a rules perspective

a single person who has been awake for 5 days waiting to disrupt raids, not so much

[Ragnaros]

Thats why you send goon squads consisting of gyno and rag to deter those griefers

[Syft-X]

Fun is people on both sides having no lifers ready to run in and dispel until 6am-8am to grief right

Trains are fun too, I'm sure

That kind of stuff belongs on one of Salty's servers

Fun for Nirgon is raiding Dragons uncontested and he will use any means necessary to accomplish that goal.

[Neyphlite]

Also if we are being honest there wasnt really monopolization of raid targets on live like here besides sullon zek (no rules) servers like rz tz and vz all had agreed rotations

As someone who played on TZ from 99' until i think it was Legacy of Ykesha i can say that TZ never had any type of rotations from raid mobs. Pandemonium/Reformation would never let something like that go down. Every raid came with a giant 75 vs 75 war and LnS was respected at the end of them.

[Nirgon]

Fun for Nirgon is raiding Dragons uncontested and he will use any means necessary to accomplish that goal.

I think you should at least bring 30 people.

2 nutjobs being awake for days at char select on either side to just dispel a mob and cause a wipe is bad for the box.

Then again the guy who camps points and brags about skill... has got a real warped sense of pvp

[daasgoot]

that im fine with from a rules perspective

a single person who has been awake for 5 days waiting to disrupt raids, not so much

http://imgur.com/KGpbxBG.jpg

[Nirgon]

As someone who played on TZ from 99' until i think it was Legacy of Ykesha i can say that TZ never had any type of rotations from raid mobs. Pandemonium/Reformation would never let something like that go down. Every raid came with a giant 75 vs 75 war and LnS was respected at the end of them.

they also didn't get disbanded for getting almost all of the raid mobs like we are.

Thanks m8.

[Slathar]

ill train a raid

shits hilarious

[Ragnaros]

As someone who played on TZ from 99' until i think it was Legacy of Ykesha i can say that TZ never had any type of rotations from raid mobs. Pandemonium/Reformation would never let something like that go down. Every raid came with a giant 75 vs 75 war and LnS was respected at the end of them.

Pandemonium didnt monopolize mobs till post merge where rules didnt apply anymore because Sony just threw all the servers together and didn't care what happend. Even now nobody on live monopolizes mobs because of instanced content, argue what you want but theres a reason there was rotations and later introduced instanced content, monopolizing of mobs does not get fun, especially during velious, which is exactly why there were 3-4 guilds on RZ that had access to primals. Im allready on the winning side but its really immature to lie and say that i want to play a velious server with 20 people because everyone quit due the extreme negative effects it will have.

[Ragnaros]

Tallon Zek also had the.highest population and Pandemonium consistently lost mobs to other guilds

[Pikrib]

Just got back to my desk.

Did Nirgy post proof of RZ having said PNP rules before 2002 yet or is he still making shit up with no prof?

[Nirgon]

Being able to log in drop 1 pell and wipe a raid is just a step away for asking for someone to be able to DA and train a raid

[daasgoot]

rag stop being normal.. dafuq

[Slathar]

Being able to log in drop 1 pell and wipe a raid is just a step away for asking for someone to be able to DA and train a raid

level 4 clerics get DA


how long does it take to level a cleric to 4 and get bound in kael


ehehehehe

[Runya]

Being able to log in drop 1 pell and wipe a raid is just a step away for asking for someone to be able to DA and train a raid

Im talking not touching the mob encountered......im talking attacking your clerics or MT.That was a legit and widely used strat.....I do recall something about pelling raid mobs....to think you need a raid force to pvp is just untrue.

[Nirgon]

2. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP

[Slathar]

and ill do it anyways

[Runya]

Just got back to my desk.

Did Nirgy post proof of RZ having said PNP rules before 2002 yet or is he still making shit up with no prof?

No because it didn't happen.....infact pnp rules were put in because of people LIKE <peacebreakers> a training,exploiting duping all Taiwan guild.....that nirgon was a part of.Must suck to be in a guild you that no one speaks your language....Fact is this wasn't the case with PnP......and if it was it(wasn't) should be repealed like obamacare.

[Runya]

2. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP

2004-2005 quote.....link still broken.

[derpcake]

I'm sure this is 19 pages of constructive input.

Its a pity ebola doesn't spread by interweb, yet.

[Runya]

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=nirgon

Tbh you didn't even play much velious.....I did.You and peacebreakers were shut out of real content by kunarks end.MiM? I raided with them and I don't recall you were there.I call bullshit on all your velious knowledge.Thats right bullshit.....you have classic and kunark under your belt.You weren't active then sorry...My guild,shadows of the swarm and MiM raided velious......you did not.

[derpcake]

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=nirgon

Tbh you didn't even play much velious.....I did.You and peacebreakers were shut out of real content by kunarks end.MiM? I raided with them and I don't recall you were there.I call bullshit on all your velious knowledge.Thats right bullshit.....you have classic and kunark under your belt.You weren't active then sorry...My guild,shadows of the swarm and MiM raided velious......you did not.

Oh shit man, someone posted something with dubious proof?

Have you PMed rogean yet? Try doing that, and don't forget to skype and email him.

Them given fucks.

[Nirgon]

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=nirgon

Tbh you didn't even play much velious.....I did.You and peacebreakers were shut out of real content by kunarks end.MiM? I raided with them and I don't recall you were there.I call bullshit on all your velious knowledge.Thats right bullshit.....you have classic and kunark under your belt.You weren't active then sorry...My guild,shadows of the swarm and MiM raided velious......you did not.

You have 0 clue what you're talking about

[Runya]

You have 0 clue what you're talking about

Cant believe your all trolled by some kid who didn't even play velious. =p

[Nirgon]

Here's my in Velketor during Velious

http://s11.postimage.org/d3x2kncdv/xiana_x.jpg

MiM was a completely inferior choice to being in PB. So was being in AD until the GMs started beating down the scum that was in my guild :)... oh... and banding the entire server against us.

[Nirgon]

Got any screens of you in Velious??

Ut oh.

No prof. Can't believe im talkin' to this kid who didn't even play Velious.

[Eslade]

Here's my in Velketor during Velious

http://s11.postimage.org/d3x2kncdv/xiana_x.jpg

MiM was a completely inferior choice to being in PB. So was being in AD until the GMs started beating down the scum that was in my guild :)... oh... and banding the entire server against us.

So you openly guild with scum? Also gonna need prof that's you.

[Nirgon]

Here's the screenshot of when Hunsa got suspended for dispelling the statue btw

http://s18.postimage.org/j6wyk7ndl/Hunsa_FUN.jpg

Image title is "hunsa_FUN.jpg"

So I have DIRECT proof of the event that happened.

lawls.

[Runya]

Here's the screenshot of when Hunsa got suspended for dispelling the statue btw

http://s18.postimage.org/j6wyk7ndl/Hunsa_FUN.jpg

Image title is "hunsa_FUN.jpg"

So I have DIRECT proof of the event that happened.

lawls.

need hunsa being disciplined.....all you showed was it was ok to pell mobs imo

[Runya]

Got any screens of you in Velious??

Ut oh.

No prof. Can't believe im talkin' to this kid who didn't even play Velious.

what you have a sata to ide or something? I have like 10 hard drives nothing that can take an ide harddrive tho

[Ragnaros]

god jinxat was a bad melee

[Runya]

god jinxat was a bad melee

naw

[Nirgon]

http://s22.postimg.org/vmqok2y8x/Vamprea_N32.jpg

My char in a group pking someone.

Oh yeah need proof of him being disciplined like what? The suspension email? Lol fuck off.

[Masq]

So are you guys getting suspended for training KC during that sunday fight or what?
confirmed rule breaking

[Syft-X]

http://s22.postimg.org/vmqok2y8x/Vamprea_N32.jpg

My char in a group pking someone.

Oh yeah need proof of him being disciplined like what? The suspension email? Lol fuck off.

What you show a guy pelling mobs and then "Say" he was disciplined. We've submitted pages and pages of people talking about SOL being unresistable from that era and you refuse to believe that

http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthread.php?6346-Shock-of-Lightning-what-level-do-they-start-resisting-it

So why are you above the standard you hold everyone else to?

[Nirgon]

THIS I remember thanks for prof


after 200 channel at 50+ you can start channeling through SoL, noticable around 55.


Yup.


None of these people have 180+ magic resist.

[Runya]

http://s22.postimg.org/vmqok2y8x/Vamprea_N32.jpg

My char in a group pking someone.

Oh yeah need proof of him being disciplined like what? The suspension email? Lol fuck off.

yah need suspension email

[Runya]

also you have a sata to ide? or you use a pc with ide?

[Pikrib]

If only Nirgy would have taken a screen shot of the PNP in Velious....

[Nirgon]

also you have a sata to ide? or you use a pc with ide?

https://nunya.biz

yah need suspension email

lol fuck off kid

[Syft-X]

THIS I remember thanks for prof



Yup.


None of these people have 180+ magic resist.

The cleric I was trying to Ice Comet had all his resist gear and buffs on, and I didnt want to debuff him and cause him a lot of grief later. We werent fighting very seriously. Anyways, Ice Comet was dealing about 50-200 damage per nuke, and I had to take off so I could avoid a beatdown with his melee weapons . When I came back, I tried a different tactic, and just used purely Shock of Lightning. Very slowly, I brought down his life to about 20% before he got a heal off, and I was oom. When I was using Ice Comet he got heals off every nuke, and the lowest I got him was 50%.



If a shit-ton of players are stating Shock of Lightning was never resisted in Classic, Kunark, Velious, and Luclin and you refuse to accept that as "Proof"

Then yea you need to prove every single change you want instituted 100%, that's the game you wanted to play and ya can't change the rules at half-time.

[Nirgon]

Would also like to point out the two clowns vying for a grief fest server and getting dunked on in FQ are members of Azrael.

Please submit and Empire application and god bless.

[Runya]

nunya.biz ? another broken link

[Tradesonred]

I think the problem of perception might lie with where you did your exping. I did it in Oasis, Guk, HHP. Spectres and Giant trains in Oasis all day. I used to spend hours daily just pvping at level 12-20. Would constantly root people on my shitlist while they were fighting mobs, killed people repeatedly without offering LNS. Not only did i never get banned, it was so seldom enforced that i had never heard of it back then (On rallos). Its impossible to think that there was no GMs at lake rathe during the 2001 halloween event and the undead dragon was constantly trained at the zone line leaving a huge amount of bodies there.

Again where the perception difference might lie is that PnP was maybe more enforced at the higher levels.

[Nirgon]

Some of those guys are talking about snaring people with Atol's lawls

You telling me that these guys figuring out how shock of lightning works were rocking Azure Sky (or underfoot) + Tranix (or rile) + gabstik etc? You out of your right mind dude?

[Runya]

your the clown vying for uncontested pixels.....im vying for an chance at keeping this server red.....idk about your other topics im just focused on this one.

[Nirgon]

nunya.biz ? another broken link

glad to see that joke flew over your head, genius

not surprised, then again being butt buddies with BK... heh, can't be that bright

[Neyphlite]

Pandemonium didnt monopolize mobs till post merge where rules didnt apply anymore because Sony just threw all the servers together and didn't care what happend. Even now nobody on live monopolizes mobs because of instanced content, argue what you want but theres a reason there was rotations and later introduced instanced content, monopolizing of mobs does not get fun, especially during velious, which is exactly why there were 3-4 guilds on RZ that had access to primals. Im allready on the winning side but its really immature to lie and say that i want to play a velious server with 20 people because everyone quit due the extreme negative effects it will have.

Ya, as I said. I only played until LoY so I wasn't around for the merger of the servers. But I do know that there weren't rotations while I played and it was all out war for raid mobs and yes, Pande did lose quite a bit of mobs to other guilds. Im not arguing for a PnP here at all im just stating how raiding on TZ was when I played. The guild I was in on TZ never had access to Primals since we were the last big guild to not xteam(Exordium) and were constantly facing invuln healers on the opposing sides in pvp fights over targets.

[Nirgon]

your the clown vying for uncontested pixels.....im vying for an chance at keeping this server red.....idk about your other topics im just focused on this one.

You don't want pvp

Your guild is too lazy to recruit and support a Velious capable raid force

So instead you want to grief those that can as a temper tantrum

We'll be doing it to you, too and I'm sure Fresh will do it to both of us

Good luck out there with people pelling RZ statue etc, sounds like a shit server to me. Glad the live GMs didn't allow this kind of garbage.

[Runya]

glad to see that joke flew over your head, genius

not surprised, then again being butt buddies with BK... heh, can't be that bright

yeah you fooled me good on that one

[Syft-X]

Would also like to point out the two clowns vying for a grief fest server and getting dunked on in FQ are members of Azrael.

Please submit and Empire application and god bless.

So being Azrael automatically makes us wrong and being Empire automatically makes you right?

Good to know that guild tags influence your idea of what policy or coding should be implemented here. I myself support whatever is best for the server not whats best for me and my guildmates.

[Runya]

You don't want pvp

Your guild is too lazy to recruit and support a Velious capable raid force

So instead you want to grief those that can as a temper tantrum

We'll be doing it to you, too and I'm sure Fresh will do it to both of us

Good luck out there with people pelling RZ statue etc, sounds like a shit server to me. Glad the live GMs didn't allow this kind of garbage.

whos talking about pelling RZ? im talking about hitting players with spells/melee......its pvp you might have heard of it

[Pikrib]

Nunya links (https://nunya.biz/) show classic pnp either.

[Nirgon]

"we want to be able to train and grief raids because our guild is terrible"

I know

[Runya]

"we want to be able to train and grief raids because our guild is terrible"

I know

You hear pvp but you say dispelling mobs and training......that's illegal yo

[Runya]

"we wanna turn this into a blue server because were bluebie homos"

I know

[Nirgon]

Yeah we're such bluebie homos we stomped out Azrael several times and continue to

I seem to remember pvp being involved...

[Pikrib]

Yeah we're such bluebie homos we stomped out Azrael several times and continue to

I seem to remember pvp being involved...

Do you remember twice the numbers being involved?

[Syft-X]

You don't want pvp

Your guild is too lazy to recruit and support a Velious capable raid force

So instead you want to grief those that can as a temper tantrum

We'll be doing it to you, too and I'm sure Fresh will do it to both of us

Good luck out there with people pelling RZ statue etc, sounds like a shit server to me. Glad the live GMs didn't allow this kind of garbage.

Where were you when Runya and I were fighting the good fight vs Nihilum?

Oh that's right you quit and played on blue, where were you when Holocaust was getting their teeth kicked in by Azrael? Runya and I were there fighting, oh that's right you were still on blue.

It's amazing how red you become when Uncontested pixels are available and how blue you become when their not.

[Tradesonred]

zone and portal camping illegal?

plz enable, much bans.

Portal camping on Rallos was a given. Everybody knew you had to be ready for a fight when you zoned in. If this was in PnP, how come i was never aware of people getting banned over it, how come this happened all the time, especially at the trading hub, Gfay?

Gfay was the portal where this happened the most and alot, if you say this isnt the case, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[Nirgon]

Remember when you guys were such bluebie homos you brought 137 people and our 90 crushed you?

Btw we've gotten SEVERAL gnarled staves since then, and I believe on that VS kill as well

Better luck next time, zerging bluebie homo

/mic drop

[Syft-X]

Where were you when Runya and I were fighting the good fight vs Nihilum?

Oh that's right you quit and played on blue, where were you when Holocaust was getting their teeth kicked in by Azrael? Runya and I were there fighting, oh that's right you were still on blue.

It's amazing how red you become when Uncontested pixels are available and how blue you become when there not.

[Runya]

Remember when you guys were such bluebie homos you brought 137 people and our 90 crushed you?

Btw we've gotten SEVERAL gnarled staves since then, and I believe on that VS kill as well

Better luck next time, zerging bluebie homo

/mic drop

I remember you bros training after getting whooped

[Colgate]

syft and runya fought the good fight against nihilum

and by fought the good fight i mean they ran around places like ocean of tears on random alts who weren't in range to 60 and had basically no impact on anything meaningful

[Runya]

If you think that's what I did brah me and you one of the few who killed nizzar

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Portal camping was generally frowned upon by the GM's due to the person not being "in control" of their characters, but it was so rampant, I don't think it really was enforced as a rule.

I got told multiple times by Ozuri and his cronies to stop camping the Cobalt Scar portal on my necro, Tyranxus.

[Runya]

syft and runya fought the good fight against nihilum

and by fought the good fight i mean they ran around places like ocean of tears on random alts who weren't in range to 60 and had basically no impact on anything meaningful

Shrug I fought the good fight along side you in <dentists> p sure I fought more nihi than you did.

[Syft-X]

I was also in Darkenbane with Kerrygetz (pvped Karanas with him), Ever, Graraige etc then joined Kringe's guild The Nephilim

Rykker (apparently) has access to your characters and can vouch for me



Runya did you also know that Nirgon was in Darkenbane and you can vouch for him?

[Runya]

Nirgon I know now makes me sad :(

[Runya]

Runya did you also know that Nirgon was in Darkenbane and you can vouch for him?

I can vouch for nirgon overall he's a good dude.....he's started petitioning to keep the server classic.......now that its an unclassic server he wants to implement a nonclassic rule,which generally flies here.You don't need a raid force to pvp a raid force.He's correct with the pelling of raid mobs to cause a wipe....but the rest of the nonsense is just that.Sry for being immature but you were asking for it with that nonsense.....clearly implemented later since manaburn crews were attacking MT's of raids(ya know manaburn!) into luclin.

[Kringe]

I can vouch for nirgon overall he's a good dude.....he's started petitioning to keep the server classic.......now that its an unclassic server he wants to implement a nonclassic rule,which generally flies here.You don't need a raid force to pvp a raid force.He's correct with the pelling of raid mobs to cause a wipe....but the rest of the nonsense is just that.Sry for being immature but you were asking for it with that nonsense.....clearly implemented later since manaburn crews were attacking MT's of raids(ya know manaburn!) into luclin.



Anyone who is a proponent of "Needing a raid force to engage a raid force" on a "pvp" server should go play fucking Mind Craft...... That is just ludicrous. There were all kinds of shitty tactics placed on us during the "Great War" per se on Rallos... I got manaburned while tanking AoW by my current best gaming buddy (while Littlegyno (whom i was guilded with at the time fed him the perfect information as to when to come in fucking gank me)... Got my boots of storm looted in front of 75 people as AOW wiped my entire raid and then he happily gated away and sold them on ebay a few days later... We laugh about that one ALL the time....

Eq PVP should (and what we loved most about it) instill a "fear factor" and a "unsafe feeling" regardless of what you are doing in Norrath... Whether is be surrounded by 75 zerglings and getting insta gibbed while tanking the hardest mob in EQ at the time and then fully looted, or just hanging out by yourself in Lower Guuuuuk... Either or we all came here originally to relive the 5 billion variations of stories people have from one of the Zeks..... Not promote all these PNP (that didnt exist on RZ) and forumquest to have a server cater to where you currently stand on Red99..... Albeit in the zerg guild promoting safe raiding or petition questing to get said zerg guild banned...

Man up and grow a pair and relive the experience you originally wanted to when you hit that "create character".. This petition quest and rule lawyering is lame as fuck...

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Anyone who is a proponent of "Needing a raid force to engage a raid force" on a "pvp" server should go play fucking Mind Craft...... That is just ludicrous. There were all kinds of shitty tactics placed on us during the "Great War" per se on Rallos... I got manaburned while tanking AoW by my current best gaming buddy (while Littlegyno (whom i was guilded with at the time fed him the perfect information as to when to come in fucking gank me)... Got my boots of storm looted in front of 75 people as AOW wiped my entire raid and then he happily gated away and sold them on ebay a few days later... We laugh about that one ALL the time....

Eq PVP should (and what we loved most about it) instill a "fear factor" and a "unsafe feeling" regardless of what you are doing in Norrath... Whether is be surrounded by 75 zerglings and getting insta gibbed while tanking the hardest mob in EQ at the time and then fully looted, or just hanging out by yourself in Lower Guuuuuk... Either or we all came here originally to relive the 5 billion variations of stories people have from one of the Zeks..... Not promote all these PNP (that didnt exist on RZ) and forumquest to have a server cater to where you currently stand on Red99..... Albeit in the zerg guild promoting safe raiding or petition questing to get said zerg guild banned...

Man up and grow a pair and relive the experience you originally wanted to when you hit that "create character".. This petition quest and rule lawyering is lame as fuck...

KEK you shouldn't of made fun of my fucking dog

[Kringe]

KEK you shouldn't of made fun of my fucking dog

Fuck your dog, im glad he died... Hope the next one u get dies right after your family falls in love with it...

Love you dog.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Anyone who is a proponent of "Needing a raid force to engage a raid force" on a "pvp" server should go play fucking Mind Craft...... That is just ludicrous. There were all kinds of shitty tactics placed on us during the "Great War" per se on Rallos... I got manaburned while tanking AoW by my current best gaming buddy (while Littlegyno (whom i was guilded with at the time fed him the perfect information as to when to come in fucking gank me)... Got my boots of storm looted in front of 75 people as AOW wiped my entire raid and then he happily gated away and sold them on ebay a few days later... We laugh about that one ALL the time....

Eq PVP should (and what we loved most about it) instill a "fear factor" and a "unsafe feeling" regardless of what you are doing in Norrath... Whether is be surrounded by 75 zerglings and getting insta gibbed while tanking the hardest mob in EQ at the time and then fully looted, or just hanging out by yourself in Lower Guuuuuk... Either or we all came here originally to relive the 5 billion variations of stories people have from one of the Zeks..... Not promote all these PNP (that didnt exist on RZ) and forumquest to have a server cater to where you currently stand on Red99..... Albeit in the zerg guild promoting safe raiding or petition questing to get said zerg guild banned...

Man up and grow a pair and relive the experience you originally wanted to when you hit that "create character".. This petition quest and rule lawyering is lame as fuck...

Fuck your dog, im glad he died... Hope the next one u get dies right after your family falls in love with it...

Love you dog.

rest in peace dog. was a heartbreaking loss.

[Runya]

Anyone who is a proponent of "Needing a raid force to engage a raid force" on a "pvp" server should go play fucking Mind Craft...... That is just ludicrous. There were all kinds of shitty tactics placed on us during the "Great War" per se on Rallos... I got manaburned while tanking AoW by my current best gaming buddy (while Littlegyno (whom i was guilded with at the time fed him the perfect information as to when to come in fucking gank me)... Got my boots of storm looted in front of 75 people as AOW wiped my entire raid and then he happily gated away and sold them on ebay a few days later... We laugh about that one ALL the time....

Eq PVP should (and what we loved most about it) instill a "fear factor" and a "unsafe feeling" regardless of what you are doing in Norrath... Whether is be surrounded by 75 zerglings and getting insta gibbed while tanking the hardest mob in EQ at the time and then fully looted, or just hanging out by yourself in Lower Guuuuuk... Either or we all came here originally to relive the 5 billion variations of stories people have from one of the Zeks..... Not promote all these PNP (that didnt exist on RZ) and forumquest to have a server cater to where you currently stand on Red99..... Albeit in the zerg guild promoting safe raiding or petition questing to get said zerg guild banned...

Man up and grow a pair and relive the experience you originally wanted to when you hit that "create character".. This petition quest and rule lawyering is lame as fuck...

Could usually score a decent piece of loot with that strat......cowl of mort usually....shit I remember MB'n the main tank and him living just to die after.Aslong as the intent was to kill and not pell grief it was all gravy.

[SamwiseRed]

Kringe with the reality check.

[Efwan]

Anyone who is a proponent of "Needing a raid force to engage a raid force" on a "pvp" server should go play fucking Mind Craft...... That is just ludicrous. There were all kinds of shitty tactics placed on us during the "Great War" per se on Rallos... I got manaburned while tanking AoW by my current best gaming buddy (while Littlegyno (whom i was guilded with at the time fed him the perfect information as to when to come in fucking gank me)... Got my boots of storm looted in front of 75 people as AOW wiped my entire raid and then he happily gated away and sold them on ebay a few days later... We laugh about that one ALL the time....

Eq PVP should (and what we loved most about it) instill a "fear factor" and a "unsafe feeling" regardless of what you are doing in Norrath... Whether is be surrounded by 75 zerglings and getting insta gibbed while tanking the hardest mob in EQ at the time and then fully looted, or just hanging out by yourself in Lower Guuuuuk... Either or we all came here originally to relive the 5 billion variations of stories people have from one of the Zeks..... Not promote all these PNP (that didnt exist on RZ) and forumquest to have a server cater to where you currently stand on Red99..... Albeit in the zerg guild promoting safe raiding or petition questing to get said zerg guild banned...

Man up and grow a pair and relive the experience you originally wanted to when you hit that "create character".. This petition quest and rule lawyering is lame as fuck...

This. Like jesus christ if you're fighting AoW with 100 people and 10 azrael zone in how about you have a gank squad prepared or at the zoneline so they can't mb your tank or pell your mob. It's a pvp server, you better fucking expect it now.

[Syft-X]

Kringe with the reality check.

I'm sure Kringe would agree that Shock of Lightning was never resisted during classic era's in pvp

[FaithlessKR]

Fuck your dog, im glad he died... Hope the next one u get dies right after your family falls in love with it...

Love you dog.

I chortled

[Lime]

Fuck your dog, im glad he died... Hope the next one u get dies right after your family falls in love with it...

Love you dog.

Can confirm, Gyno's dog was a bitch.

[Samaritan]

Remember when you guys were such bluebie homos you brought 137 people and our 90 crushed you?

Btw we've gotten SEVERAL gnarled staves since then, and I believe on that VS kill as well

Better luck next time, zerging bluebie homo

/mic drop

http://24.media.tumblr.com/04ba706581a66dab07e8c567f1d537fe/tumblr_mm8n7kwbQx1so450so1_1280.gif

[awfal]

Anyone who is a proponent of "Needing a raid force to engage a raid force" on a "pvp" server should go play fucking Mind Craft...... That is just ludicrous. There were all kinds of shitty tactics placed on us during the "Great War" per se on Rallos... I got manaburned while tanking AoW by my current best gaming buddy (while Littlegyno (whom i was guilded with at the time fed him the perfect information as to when to come in fucking gank me)... Got my boots of storm looted in front of 75 people as AOW wiped my entire raid and then he happily gated away and sold them on ebay a few days later... We laugh about that one ALL the time....

Eq PVP should (and what we loved most about it) instill a "fear factor" and a "unsafe feeling" regardless of what you are doing in Norrath... Whether is be surrounded by 75 zerglings and getting insta gibbed while tanking the hardest mob in EQ at the time and then fully looted, or just hanging out by yourself in Lower Guuuuuk... Either or we all came here originally to relive the 5 billion variations of stories people have from one of the Zeks..... Not promote all these PNP (that didnt exist on RZ) and forumquest to have a server cater to where you currently stand on Red99..... Albeit in the zerg guild promoting safe raiding or petition questing to get said zerg guild banned...

Man up and grow a pair and relive the experience you originally wanted to when you hit that "create character".. This petition quest and rule lawyering is lame as fuck...

and gyno wonders why he never got pixels on rallos

[Lime]

naw he had dat buckler

[entruil]

we had item loot.

No bull shit here. (1999 seems classic to me).

my head spins to...

[Littlegyno 13.0]

and gyno wonders why he never got pixels on rallos

fuk. BUSTED.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

fuk. BUSTED.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/035bd5a98b58139b81c677b95412aaf5/tumblr_nj07s7Mojd1smcbm7o1_500.gif

[Nirgon]

Lime still posting.. he knows this isn't the LoZ boards?