Reroll Syndrome. Help.

[Saludeen]

After many rerolls I stuck with bard and got to 51 last night. This is my second level 50 bard and I can easily twist 4 songs, charm, fear kite, dot, heal, etc. But when I went to lower Guk to solo my DE mask I died to the first green I tried to solo and the class felt so weak. PVP feels equally weak as a because I can't kill anyone faster than they can kill me, nor can I outheal their damage, nor can I kite at the edge of range because if i'm in range long enough to dot them then they can still get a spell off (except melee who have no chance outdoors.)

Many people say bards are solid at 60, but that doesn't seem logical. Do I just need better weapons + haste? Is there a better strat for 1v1 pvp against casters when 1-2 spells kill me (despite resists)? Are bards just good selos bots? Don't they get wrecked indoors? Why should I keep playing my bard? I just want a class that can destroy anyone 1v1 as long as I have the skill to do so. A great player with a bad class can do well, but a great player with the best class is almost unstoppable.

Suggestions? I'm always drawn to monk, but they seem so easy to play. Considering necro, wiz, or druid too.

Suif
50 bard.

[SamwiseRed]

lite solo'd his mask in classic sub 50 and terrible gear. its doable but imo not worth the hastle.

bard is fun for me in groups. otherwise boring. if you want to do shit solo play a druid. its like the bard of casters.

[nilzark]

Dunno brah. All classes seem week when Soloing. It's a group game for the most part. Rerolling not going to help.

[Zalaerian]

A good bard is one that selos and only selos w auto following a war or tstaff monk. We don't care that you can 4 twist. We don't care that you are awful melee dmg. We only want your selos and when it misses a tick a falls off, hell hath no fury to the rage that will ensue

[Zalaerian]

No class is a 1v1 god. Every class has it pros and cons

[Colgate]

bard arguably one of the strongest classes in the game

[Saludeen]

Dunno brah. All classes seem week when Soloing. It's a group game for the most part. Rerolling not going to help.

Yeah, and I just realized that i'm missing some important songs since I leveled so fast AE kiting, so that's probably why. Because I remember soloing assassin on the old red box easily. Maybe i'll pick those songs up and see if it helps.

[SamwiseRed]

id group a bit before putting any more time into bard. if you dont enjoy grouping reroll imo.

[SamwiseRed]

the most annoying thing about bard (and most casters i play) is song swapping (changing spell gems). i hate swapping shit out all the time but shits classic.

[oricalum]

Also, if you ae kited most of your levels your defensive skills such as parry, dodge, or whatever a bard gets are probably low. A good bard is very hard to kill, the only banes I can think of would be an enc, or rogue poison if you get close enough to get poisoned. This is outdoors pvp of course.

[Saludeen]

id group a bit before putting any more time into bard. if you dont enjoy grouping reroll imo.

I grouped until lvl 36 and really enjoyed it.

Also, if you ae kited most of your levels your defensive skills such as parry, dodge, or whatever a bard gets are probably low. A good bard is very hard to kill, the only banes I can think of would be an enc, or rogue poison if you get close enough to get poisoned. This is outdoors pvp of course.

You're right. I kited from 36 to 51 so that's another reason.

Thanks for all the input.

[Ezalor]

you still solo ass/sup as a bard.

i did it at 47 with chain mezzing to push/interupt and twisting DoTs with my drum equipped.

the problem is you have mostly AE kited so far, so you don't really know how to play a Bard yet. i'm not insulting you, because this happens to everyone. we get spoiled by the godmode status of AE kiting and a reality shock when OT goes green - this is the point where 95% of bards quit their character.

you have to appreciate bards strengths and weaknesses, they have the most tools in their tool box for any situation. you won't ever solo dungeon crawl like a shaman/enchanter/necro but if you are good, you can figure out a way.

[fred schnarf]

your offense and defense were low, you also need to slow the mobs haste yourself and have good weapons to melee shit, otherwise kite.

bards arent bad at 60 but melee output is always going to be low and most bards just dot kite people.

bards are a support class, they give speed resists and canata's

[BardPop]

After many rerolls I stuck with bard and got to 51 last night. This is my second level 50 bard and I can easily twist 4 songs, charm, fear kite, dot, heal, etc. But when I went to lower Guk to solo my DE mask I died to the first green I tried to solo and the class felt so weak. PVP feels equally weak as a because I can't kill anyone faster than they can kill me, nor can I outheal their damage, nor can I kite at the edge of range because if i'm in range long enough to dot them then they can still get a spell off (except melee who have no chance outdoors.)

Many people say bards are solid at 60, but that doesn't seem logical. Do I just need better weapons + haste? Is there a better strat for 1v1 pvp against casters when 1-2 spells kill me (despite resists)? Are bards just good selos bots? Don't they get wrecked indoors? Why should I keep playing my bard? I just want a class that can destroy anyone 1v1 as long as I have the skill to do so. A great player with a bad class can do well, but a great player with the best class is almost unstoppable.

Suggestions? I'm always drawn to monk, but they seem so easy to play. Considering necro, wiz, or druid too.

Suif
50 bard.
Forget about being unstoppable in indoor zones, eq classes have lists of pros and cons and a con of being a bard is you aren't as powerful in closed spaces, a class like a rogue or monk will shine in these spaces but will lose to more "outdoors" classes like wizards when put in a outdoor setting.

Bard is a fine class but rogue or monk is good as well.

[Ipman_Wingchun]

There are other factors such as how high charisma is for charming and mezzing. Also you need to have decent weapons. This goes for all melee classes not just bards. You can also just get unlucky and get a resist that 1 out of 20 times.

60 is the real measure because just like other classes, there are certain spells that greatly increase your effectiveness.

You will never be a bursty damage class but you can wither people down with the right gear or get away if you aren't winning.

[jeffd]

server legend bard here. also solo'd ass/sup with garbage gear, so it's def possible. single pull with lull and kill mobs at the bottom of the ladder.

if you have good weps: slow mobs, give self haste+regen+stats
if you have bad weps: slow mobs, keep drum equipped and twist dots

also in pvp you should literally never do anything other than twist resists+speed and right click pumices. with gear + resist code the way it is on this server, you have like a 1% chance of landing anything on anyone, and if you waste 15s trying to snare someone 5x rather than just pumicing them, u gon die

[pink grapefruit]

Bard solo indoors is slow, self haste, dots maybe and mez mez mez. If you can mez everything reliably you can regen back to full hp as many times as you need.

[iiNGloriouS]

bard arguably one of the strongest classes in the game

Eh they were better when bereavement and dirge landed imo. Only need like 80mr to full rest dirge and 40 pr to fully resist bereave every time.

[iiNGloriouS]

There are other factors such as how high charisma is for charming and mezzing..

I wanna say that I dont think charisma affects shit for bards. Put quite a few points into it on Jody, and would always have everything break early with like 190 cha total or some crazy shit.

[Darksinga]

Charm kill it man. You charm a mob for 18 seconds and dot the other mob. Right as charm is about to break you charm the mob you were dotting and sick pet on your original pet. If you get good at this not only will you take almost no damage but you'll kill fast with full dot damage due to mob not moving. Also every time charm breaks on this server your hate towards your pet is basically at 0 which is something you won't be used to as every other server you generate an insane amount of hate towards the charmed mob. Just a dumb classic bug you can use to your advantage.

[Saludeen]

Charm kill it man. You charm a mob for 18 seconds and dot the other mob. Right as charm is about to break you charm the mob you were dotting and sick pet on your original pet. If you get good at this not only will you take almost no damage but you'll kill fast with full dot damage due to mob not moving. Also every time charm breaks on this server your hate towards your pet is basically at 0 which is something you won't be used to as every other server you generate an insane amount of hate towards the charmed mob. Just a dumb classic bug you can use to your advantage.

Ah thanks, yeah I assumed i'd have a ton of hate so I always recharmed the same mob, but timing is tricky since you can't autobreak charm on this server without the ring.

[Clark]

Reroll is the devil.

[jeffd]

ps charisma and bard charm are both broken here

[El Camacho]

ps charisma and bard charm are both broken here

How so?

[Saludeen]

Thanks for the replies. I started to like my bard again. Guk went smooth last night, although no assassin. And I grouped a bit so it reminded me of how fun bards are in a group. Its unfortunate that level 60 pvp involves being a buff bot, but maybe it will be more fun than I imagine. I'm addicted to selos anyway.

[FoxxHound]

Tis okay my friend. I have RRS pretty bad too.

[Clark]

lite solo'd his mask in classic sub 50 and terrible gear. its doable but imo not worth the hastle.

bard is fun for me in groups. otherwise boring. if you want to do shit solo play a druid. its like the bard of casters.

^

[Kaahbal]

People really have reroll issues? I cant even roll

[Stalos_]

Enroll in Jedi training asap.

[Clark]

People really have reroll issues? I cant even roll

lol