PnP Rules - Changes or Removal Necessary - GMs Please Read

[Guido]

At this point I have just given up.

I've been suspended two times for lns violation. The first time was at the beginning of the pnp rules and now this past week.

both times I have just loaded into the game - killed someone not knowing they have called lns in ooc - and I've taken the hit both times.

At this point, it's pretty safe to say that judging these petitions made on just Screenshots is pretty pathetic and unjust.

Taking this second hit - 28 days is the result - who knows I might come back and play I might not

GMs really need to take a closer look into these rules:

option 1) Maybe making a hardcode change so somebody can opt into lns mode (ie: type /lns) when this happens it makes the player immune for a certain amount of time so they can get their corpse and leave

option 2) stop lns rules for all 60s - this is a red server - how are we different than blue at this point? - sure getting to 60 can be hard but given the fact there are no penalties for dying in pvp - I think this should be a viable option.

I am one of the most pristine and honorable players on this box. Been here since the start and shockingly haven't left. But to be treated like this, hurts honestly.

discuss - the way these pnp violations are flying - is killing summer immersion especially with velious on the way.

[Uuruk]

Voted no

[Buhbuh]

This still sounds like it's about you.

[Guido]

GMs really need to take a closer look into these rules:

option 1) Maybe making a hardcode change so somebody can opt into lns mode (ie: type /lns) when this happens it makes the player immune for a certain amount of time so they can get their corpse and leave

option 2) stop lns rules for all 60s - this is a red server - how are we different than blue at this point? - sure getting to 60 can be hard but given the fact there are no penalties for dying in pvp - I think this should be a viable option.

I am one of the most pristine and honorable players on this box. Been here since the start and shockingly haven't left. But to be treated like this, hurts honestly.

discuss - the way these pnp violations are flying - is killing summer immersion especially with velious on the way.

pls focus

[Uuruk]

Stop killing naked people and your chances are probably almost reduced to zero % chance of being banned.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Voted no. quit crying and quit breaking rules.

[Guido]

you actually need my backstory to understand how garbage it is enforcing lns

[Colgate]

28 days would mean this is your third time getting suspended

filthy whistle asking for the rules to change so he can try to grief more newbies on characters like his mistmoore twink, Kingandis?

you make me sick

[Crazycloud]

At this point I have just given up.

I've been suspended two times for lns violation. The first time was at the beginning of the pnp rules and now this past week.

both times I have just loaded into the game - killed someone not knowing they have called lns in ooc - and I've taken the hit both times.

At this point, it's pretty safe to say that judging these petitions made on just Screenshots is pretty pathetic and unjust.

Taking this second hit - 28 days is the result - who knows I might come back and play I might not

GMs really need to take a closer look into these rules:

option 1) Maybe making a hardcode change so somebody can opt into lns mode (ie: type /lns) when this happens it makes the player immune for a certain amount of time so they can get their corpse and leave

option 2) stop lns rules for all 60s - this is a red server - how are we different than blue at this point? - sure getting to 60 can be hard but given the fact there are no penalties for dying in pvp - I think this should be a viable option.

I am one of the most pristine and honorable players on this box. Been here since the start and shockingly haven't left. But to be treated like this, hurts honestly.

discuss - the way these pnp violations are flying - is killing summer immersion especially with velious on the way.

Blame Brobby, Enjoy your ban

[Buhbuh]

i think it's best to talk about this once all the recent suspensions are up

[pink grapefruit]

Judging by the twitch show, the GMs take things like player reputation into account when making these decisions and considering appeals. Bet if a person never killed naked people and had a reputation as a mostly level-headed player and clean pvper they would probably not ever be banned for this. Or if they were, they could explain their side of things and be successful in their appeal.

I'm very glad the LnS policy is a thing. Kinda sucks there's a need for it, honestly.

[grannock]

Why dont u just not kill nakids? If you gpt suspended for killing someone on lns after they looted, thats bogus.

[Uuruk]

EVERQUEST IS OFF LIMITS TO GUIDO.

[Uuruk]

http://i.imgur.com/oAElL7S.jpg
please refer to the quote on left of screenshot. Thanks.

[Rekrul]

hardcode a nonclassic /lns tag to work like the /afk tag, or remove nonclassic pnp

[Uuruk]

hardcode a nonclassic /lns tag to work like the /afk tag, or remove nonclassic pnp

That wouldn't be abused or anything lol.

[Guido]

again trolls pls stay out of this thread

we have a big problem here and it needs to be fixed

[FAPhoenix]

I'd love to see an LNS mode. Server really isn't classic anymore, and I think they devs ans GMs have sone a good job maintaining the spirit of classic while making tweaks.

I am waiting on my duo partner who did the same thing. Signed in, killed someone, and sent me a tell saying "Shit, I just killed someone on LNS. If they petition I am suspended."

Either require LNS to constantly spam LNS through shout (onus on them, not us) or code in a solution for other players (onus on us).

[bloodletter]

It's a strange dynamic here on red99.. On classic Rallos Zek there were anti-PK guilds, PK guilds, raiding guilds, RP guilds, etc...

Here on Red there's a huge "you're one of us or you're a PVP target" mentality, like we're playing Quake 3. Anyone who's against "FFA PVP BONANZA" is told to go play on blue... Frankly, I think the problem is the players not the rules...

Our chivalrous teenagers have turned into butt-hurt adults who want non-stop PVP action where they can piss on every zone and mark it theirs instead of a fun gaming experience with friends.... Maybe it's out of boredom from the stale content? Maybe the only players from Live who are interested in a classic EQ PVP server experience were in Flowers of Happiness and Curse? The rules are fine, the enforcement might need work (more hands-on staff?) but the players are the real problem...

[Littlegyno 13.0]

again trolls pls stay out of this thread

we have a big problem here and it needs to be fixed

Trolls are people who disagree with you?

Naw. you have zero legs/hair to stand on. You're banned and gonna stay banned for a month. Learn to play within the rules and quit wasting the staff's time.

Vote no.

[Rekrul]

That wouldn't be abused or anything lol.

I say it would cause less abuse by adding this to the pnp, rather than leaving the current pnp as it is. It could also be made so the /lns tag can only be removed via zoning, so people couldn't just spam on and off.

This would be added to the policy of having to spam lns, not replace it.

[Guido]

I think the lns tag idea should be looked into

there is no way of knowing who called lns when a player just loads into game.

you cannot depend on the players to shout because in this case - the petitioner did not shout and still petitioned me.

[Rednaros]

If Ragnaros got 3 months for killing Roarie on LNS when i was zoning then you can deal with 28 days
Stop being a cry baby

[Tameth]

Stop a cry baby

[Guido]

its simply adding an in-game mechanic to better this pnp policy

and I've had enough of getting fucked over by this two times in a row

[Dacuk]

i know everyone loves to hate on andis, especially since its so easy to, but this shit is so stupid. stop your trolling and think about the issue at hand. this petitionquest is killing immersion levels for all the real pvpers in all guilds.

being an assmonkey in this thread aint gonna help the cause.

[Guido]

would love a response from mr sirken himself

waiting patiently

[Colgate]

i know everyone loves to hate on andis, especially since its so easy to, but this shit is so stupid. stop your trolling and think about the issue at hand. this petitionquest is killing immersion levels for all the real pvpers in all guilds.

being an assmonkey in this thread aint gonna help the cause.

your guild is responsible for by far the most frivolous petitionquest

i have no sympathy for you or andis when you're guilded with people like lite, brobb, and roarie

[Guido]

this thread was made to realize how these suspensions are being processed.

theres two sides to the story - but gms take the time to suspend without knowing the full story - as they base their decision on a screenshot

not here to argue about petitionquest - arguing on the dynamic of the conclusions

and I hope I'm not the only one being targeted here - cuz if that is the case - then not sure why I bother trying to make this a better place, then in return get fucked by said gm (for the second time)

If you can't police it - fix or remove it - don't just suspend anyone to submit a fucking screenshot - that's how you lose players here - I've been here since day 1 - and am literally about to quit this based on terrible GM decisions. when in reality these are the guys we are supposed to turn to for problems.

[oricalum]

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[JayN]

pity reply op, so blue

[Uuruk]

http://i.imgur.com/rHNqsGu.jpg

[Lime]

Doesn't matter if everyone on the server wants PNP/LNS changes if there is no staff members willing to address pvp issues in a way to make things better for everyone involved.

There isn't even a complete list of all server past rulings posted on the forums to even understand what the rules are on here.

Until it gets cleaned up enjoy 1 month suspensions for doing something that might have been ruled on by Sirken 6 months ago and isn't posted anywhere.

This is why when I log in I am going to call up Miss Cleo and have her tell me what the rules are here.

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/2/7/18/enhanced-buzz-3386-1360280391-3.jpg

[Guido]

i know everyone loves to hate on andis, but this shit is so stupid. stop your trolling and think about the issue at hand. this petitionquest is killing immersion levels for all the real pvpers in all guilds.

being an assmonkey in this thread aint gonna help the cause.

[Uuruk]

THE REAL PVP. KILLED A NAKED PERSON GOT BANNED. REAL PVP HAPPENED.

[Rednaros]

If Ragnaros got 3 months for killing Roarie on LNS when i was zoning then you can deal with 28 days
Stop being a cry baby

[r34m]

If you kill a naked person, and didn't recurve a shout or OOC LNS message you better screenshot it so you can prove innocence later. Bottom line, you have a bad rep for killing naked people on CRs. You got no prof you didn't get an OOC message. You banned. Stop crying and wasting GMs time unless YOU GOT D PROF. LNS is working fine as far as I'm concerned.

P.S. Shut up in OOC.

[Guido]

At this point I have just given up.

I've been suspended two times for lns violation. The first time was at the beginning of the pnp rules and now this past week.

both times I have just loaded into the game - killed someone not knowing they have called lns in ooc - and I've taken the hit both times.

At this point, it's pretty safe to say that judging these petitions made on just Screenshots is pretty pathetic and unjust.

Taking this second hit - 28 days is the result - who knows I might come back and play I might not

GMs really need to take a closer look into these rules:

option 1) Maybe making a hardcode change so somebody can opt into lns mode (ie: type /lns) when this happens it makes the player immune for a certain amount of time so they can get their corpse and leave

option 2) stop lns rules for all 60s - this is a red server - how are we different than blue at this point? - sure getting to 60 can be hard but given the fact there are no penalties for dying in pvp - I think this should be a viable option.

I am one of the most pristine and honorable players on this box. Been here since the start and shockingly haven't left. But to be treated like this, hurts honestly.

discuss - the way these pnp violations are flying - is killing summer immersion especially with velious on the way.

[dis_mornin]

Unlike some of my guildies. And unlike how azrael would treat this thread if it was other way around. I won't troll this.

Something needs to change. I agree with andis the petition quest has gotten out of control. Answer shouldn't be don't kill nakeds. This is a PvP server. Answer should be plug your death until it's safe to loot your corpse. The problem is we have ppl on this box that over load the gms with frivolous petitions because they can't win in game. Mixed with moron gms who lack all professionalism and just get stoned and look at a few bs screenshots and immediately ban. I agree this server has gone too far blue and needs adjusting to the rules. But also needs adjustment to the player base that will come in to an agreement to stop the frivolous bs petitions. God bless.

[dontbanpls]

Haven't had a single issue with the PNP yet I love it hope it stays around

[Uuruk]

Unlike some of my guildies. And unlike how azrael would treat this thread if it was other way around. I won't troll this.

Something needs to change. I agree with andis the petition quest has gotten out of control. Answer shouldn't be don't kill nakeds. This is a PvP server. Answer should be plug your death until it's safe to loot your corpse. The problem is we have ppl on this box that over load the gms with frivolous petitions because they can't win in game. Mixed with moron gms who lack all professionalism and just get stoned and look at a few bs screenshots and immediately ban. I agree this server has gone too far blue and needs adjusting to the rules. But also needs adjustment to the player base that will come in to an agreement to stop the frivolous bs petitions. God bless.

The answer is 100% don't kill nakeds. You gain absolutely nothing from killing a naked person. Especially if you kill a naked person within 10 seconds of logging in. You have to be retarded to do that.

[Rednaros]

The GMs dont give a fuck, i killed a GEARED Roarie when i was 100% innocent and Sirken basically
told me to fuck off because of my 2 previous suspensions for bad language.
Suspended till July 6th
dealwithit.jpg

[Guido]

Unlike some of my guildies. And unlike how azrael would treat this thread if it was other way around. I won't troll this.

Something needs to change. I agree with andis the petition quest has gotten out of control. Answer shouldn't be don't kill nakeds. This is a PvP server. Answer should be plug your death until it's safe to loot your corpse. The problem is we have ppl on this box that over load the gms with frivolous petitions because they can't win in game. Mixed with moron gms who lack all professionalism and just get stoned and look at a few bs screenshots and immediately ban. I agree this server has gone too far blue and needs adjusting to the rules. But also needs adjustment to the player base that will come in to an agreement to stop the frivolous bs petitions. God bless.

appreciate it mornin.

[lodgedogg]

i must agree with half the other people posting here if u would stop killing naked people then u will stop having this problem, its not like killing nakeds is even a challenge

[dis_mornin]

The answer is 100% don't kill nakeds. You gain absolutely nothing from killing a naked person. Especially if you kill a naked person within 10 seconds of logging in. You have to be retarded to do that.

Go back to blue then. Having no gear isn't a free pass from all PvP. I have naked plenty of times. I have been killed at bind plenty of times. Dealwithit.gif means plug until it's safe. I agree if someone is excessively bind camping or causing excessive grief then yea maybe gms should step in but it isn't currently like that. It's very easy to get someone caught and banned when they really shouldn't be.

[Doors]

Honestly Andis if you weren't such a massive opportunist pussy that went after naked sub 60s trying to CR you probably wouldn't eat so many suspensions.

With that said though the GMs always have gotten way too involved with rules and what not. I mean look no further than blues raid scene if you want to see a cluster fuck of retarded ass rules that make playing the game less fun. They should probably tone down the ban hammers, PVP right now sucks because chances are it could get you suspended.

[Guido]

the worst part is how I get treated when actually trying to defend myself with actual facts.

response from sirken: sorry you killed someone on lns.

cool sirken, thanks for listening to what really happened for THE SECOND TIME.

[Uuruk]

I'm curious was the ban for killing fipply?

[Rednaros]

It has nothing to do with killing nakeds. People who are geared and sitting in a zone for 5 minutes can get ytd and fish someone into a suspension. Its been happening excessively, just ask little cry babies like Reebz who was geared and standing in KC for 5,minutes and got Raijiin suspended. Players like this are just trying to get people suspended and are purposely doing it.

[Platexchange]

It has been proven on other boxes, when you eliminate rules the server population dwindles. PNP in its true form should be governed by not just GMs but by players as well. The core issue r99 faces is that rmt'ers, cheaters, and pretty much any other kind of player base that would be weeded out on live is just accepted here. So we aren't blacklisting the shit players who don't care which in turn gives a "deal with it" mentality from both players and staff.

If you want to see PNP work, hit the violators where it hurts...dem pixels.

[dontbanpls]

PErhaps if the server wasnt full of thick headed assholes who are always so sure they are right it wouldn't be an issue but since everyone here is all about that grief it is. Ain't shedding any tears for you guys

[Guido]

if they cannot police it on a day to day basis - then it simply should not be enforced.

The incident happened with revy in beginning of april - I get suspended the end of april that's one month sitting in the que.

So instead of resolving the issues at hand - they wait and whoever submitted a screenshot - suspensions inc - we can call it batch suspension processing (bsp)

a real adult way of handling these petitions let me tell you

[grannock]

again trolls pls stay out of this thread

we have a big problem here and it needs to be fixed

The problem is that you are trying to up your yt ratio off naked toons as soon as you log in without checking if they are on lns.

[Guido]

"If a new player enters the zone, you must call Loot and Scoot so they are aware of your intentions." - pnp rulebook

anything else?

[Wrench]

The answer is 100% don't kill nakeds. You gain absolutely nothing from killing a naked person. Especially if you kill a naked person within 10 seconds of logging in. You have to be retarded to do that.

sorta agree with this, maybe fire a warning shot across their bow to make them re-call

even with just visible pieces your at a pretty good gear advantage against a naked

maybe make pnp say you have to be naked for lns

[Rushmore]

option 2) stop lns rules for all 60s - this is a red server - how are we different than blue at this point? - sure getting to 60 can be hard but given the fact there are no penalties for dying in pvp - I think this should be a viable option.
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Gyno or Colgate if you can put on your serious hat for 1 min what is wrong with this option?

[Uuruk]

Still awaiting if this was for killing fipply.

[grannock]

Guido, pretty sure if a naked said lns while u were engaged you would pk them. Did you ask if rezy was on lns before you attacked?

[Guido]

Guido, pretty sure if a naked said lns while u were engaged you would pk them. Did you ask if rezy was on lns before you attacked?

wrong If I knew Revy was on lns I would honor it just like I would honor anyones lns.

Facts are I load into Seb. It is just Revy and Guido. He shouts nothing. I see him and engage and kill.

A month later I am suspended for lns violation. Please tell me how this is justified?

[Rednaros]

wrong If I knew Revy was on lns I would honor it just like I would honor anyones lns.

Facts are I load into Seb. It is just Revy and Guido. He shouts nothing. I see him and engage and kill.

A month later I am suspended for lns violation. Please tell me how this is justified?

Same thing happened to me, just gotta deal w it.

[Guido]

sorry rag - if the same thing keeps happening than there is an obvious issue with the ruling

saying deal with it means nothing to me - I am suspended for a month and for a bullshit reason. this was the second time the same thing happened to me.

[Luniz]

rnf thread in server chat

guido a racist troll

[Colgate]

Gyno or Colgate if you can put on your serious hat for 1 min what is wrong with this option?

the spirit of the play nice policy, most particularly the LNS policy, is to ensure that people won't be discouraged/prevented from playing the game

level 60 is when the most grief would happen if allowed

i do not agree with removing the PNP or the LNS policy; i just think it needs to be revamped. GMs need to abandon their guilty-until-proven-innocent policy while investigating claims more in-depth than they are now, and stop catering to shitheads that spam frivolous petitions like brobb and lite

[Guido]

the spirit of the play nice policy, most particularly the LNS policy, is to ensure that people won't be discouraged/prevented from playing the game

level 60 is when the most grief would happen if allowed

i do not agree with removing the PNP or the LNS policy; i just think it needs to be revamped. GMs need to abandon their guilty-until-proven-innocent policy while investigating claims more in-depth than they are now, and stop catering to shitheads that spam frivolous petitions like brobb and lite

I agree with colgate as shocking as it might sound at the moment lolol

[grannock]

again trolls pls stay out of this thread

we have a big problem here and it needs to be fixed

wrong If I knew Revy was on lns I would honor it just like I would honor anyones lns.

Facts are I load into Seb. It is just Revy and Guido. He shouts nothing. I see him and engage and kill.

A month later I am suspended for lns violation. Please tell me how this is justified?

Was he naked? Why didnt u just ask if he was on lns? Are you that desparate for a yt that you just oblitterate any nakid tune you see? Then be prepared to violate someones lns.

Basically, if you see a nakid toon outside of mass pvp, leave them alone unless they have no intention of scooting. Its really not hard, and then you wont get baned. Any other solution to this issues requires exploitable hard coding, or opens the door to legal corpse camping.

[Rednaros]

I am suspended for 3 months for a bullshit reason
Welcome to project 99

[Luniz]

GMs need to abandon their guilty-until-proven-innocent policy while investigating claims more in-depth than they are now, and stop catering to shitheads that spam frivolous petitions like brobb and lite

[Guido]

Was he naked? Why didnt u just ask if he was on lns? Are you that desparate for a yt that you just oblitterate any nakid tune you see? Then be prepared to violate someones lns.

Basically, if you see a nakid toon outside of mass pvp, leave them alone unless they have no intention of scooting. Its really not hard, and then you wont get baned. Any other solution to this issues requires exploitable hard coding, or opens the door to legal corpse camping.

dude holy shit being naked has nothing to do with it

if he was lnsing he should have shouted it so I would have known. that is in the pnp rule.

I load in find pvp - I play red server for the red part - I don't care if you are naked or not - but if you were on lns you are suppose to say it

simple.

[dontbanpls]

If you can't learn i guess you can always try to get rules changed? lol

[Luniz]

its the lnser's responsibility to let everyone know what hes doing

that means checking /who every 2 seconds and repeating your LNS message if you see a new name

not waiting until someone finds you and then saying "oh i was hoping to squeak by without calling it, but im LNS enjoy your ban"

[Guido]

someone doesn't get what is going on

its ok max

move along

[grannock]

Being naked has everything to do with it, if you didn't kill naked people, you wouldn't violate lns, you wouldn't be banned. Dunno why the server has to change rules to allow you to farm naked peeps.

I called lns seb other day, zoned in, rezynn was at the zone in, apparently he missed it. He spammed "on LNS?" like 5 times, i said ya, we didn't have a problem. I mean seriously, you are a good enough rogue to wait 2 seconds to verify lns before crushing a naked toon, try it sometime.

Murk died in KC yesterday, he looted, left, I logged in, hes sitting outside of KC fully geared. I attack, he says LNS. I backed off, he still threatened to report me cause he was salty from being pked, but I didn't kill him again, and I didn't violate any rules.

Learn to play with lns or be banned, not really seeing your point here.

[Guido]

its the lnser's responsibility to let everyone know what hes doing

that means checking /who every 2 seconds and repeating your LNS message if you see a new name

not waiting until someone finds you and then saying "oh i was hoping to squeak by without calling it, but im LNS enjoy your ban"

holy shit retti I never knew you could post such truth

im appauled atm

[Luniz]

holy shit retti I never knew you could post such truth

im appauled atm

nice 2 meet you paul

[Purp]

petition, making threads like this never does any good.

[Guido]

my petition got deleted once I quoted the pnp rules

go figure.

[grannock]

holy shit retti I never knew you could post such truth

im appauled atm

How do you, as the LNS'r verify that people in the zone saw your message? This part of the policy is impossible to enforce, so it is on the burden of the pker to check if someone is on lns. If you haven't figured this out by now, you are prolly taking a vacation for violating lns.

[Purp]

my petition got deleted once I quoted the pnp rules

go figure.

i will place a platinum bet that your petition was moved to "resolved petitions" and it wasn't deleted ;)

[Guido]

i will place a platinum bet that your petition was moved to "resolved petitions" and it wasn't deleted ;)

same shit dude

has it been resolved? or ignored?

after I quote facts

[Guido]

How do you, as the LNS'r verify that people in the zone saw your message? This part of the policy is impossible to enforce, so it is on the burden of the pker to check if someone is on lns. If you haven't figured this out by now, you are prolly taking a vacation for violating lns.

/shout is used for zone-wide message

that's what pnp rules state you do if a new player enters your zone and you are lnsing

revy fails to follow pnp rules. submits a petition with SS. guido suspended.

AND GMs wonder why population here is lower than it should be. un fucking real.

[dontbanpls]

I've called LNS and still been killed by you before because you told me some rediculous shit like i couldnt call lns while you are already engaged even tho I am naked and you started attacking me before i got control of my toon so I don't feel like you are sincere and I think you almost certainly deserve to be suspended

[dis_mornin]

Grannock. What you are saying is dumb. Just because someone is naked doesn't 100% mean they are lns. Say lite wiped his fungi raid pve then zoned back into seb. I'm not gonna run under the assumption they are on Lns. I'm going to kill them to stop them from getting their pve corpse. Like it or not that's eq PvP.

It should not be my responsibility to cater to the naked or scan the ooc spam for some undetcase lns msg that has the power to get me banned.

I can assure all of the classic pvprs on this box agree with andis that something needs to change Whether they are trolling or not

[Luniz]

I've called LNS and still been killed by you before because you told me some rediculous shit like i couldnt call lns while you are already engaged even tho I am naked and you started attacking me before i got control of my toon so I don't feel like you are sincere and I think you almost certainly deserve to be suspended

sounds like you failed to follow the most important rule to LNSing... informing everyone in every zone of your mission, not waiting for them to attack you first.

There is nothing wrong with attacking nakeds. Most nakeds opt out of LNS calling for the challenge. Its the LNSee responsibility to tell every person entering the zone that hes off limits. NOT AFTER engage.

[Wrench]

Murk died in KC yesterday, he looted, left, I logged in, hes sitting outside of KC fully geared. I attack, he says LNS. I backed off, he still threatened to report me cause he was salty from being pked, but I didn't kill him again, and I didn't violate any rules.

shoulda killed him, sounds like he wasnt on lns anymore

[Guido]

I've called LNS and still been killed by you before because you told me some rediculous shit like i couldnt call lns while you are already engaged even tho I am naked and you started attacking me before i got control of my toon so I don't feel like you are sincere and I think you almost certainly deserve to be suspended

whatever helps you sleep at night tunak

not sure what you are even talking about

[Slathar]

u guys got owned by agent smith from the matrix


enjoy ur ban nerds

[Littlegyno 13.0]

whatever helps you sleep at night tunak

not sure what you are even talking about

enjoy ur 28 day vaca rule breaking scumsucker.

vote no.

[Guido]

Grannock. What you are saying is dumb. Just because someone is naked doesn't 100% mean they are lns. Say lite wiped his fungi raid pve then zoned back into seb. I'm not gonna run under the assumption they are on Lns. I'm going to kill them to stop them from getting their pve corpse. Like it or not that's eq PvP.

It should not be my responsibility to cater to the naked or scan the ooc spam for some undetcase lns msg that has the power to get me banned.

I can assure all of the classic pvprs on this box agree with andis that something needs to change Whether they are trolling or not

thank you again. some sense.

[Stasis01]

I think we should legalize training.

[Fame]

Keep the pnp stuff like trains ect but remove LnS for level 60 players

[Rushmore]

the spirit of the play nice policy, most particularly the LNS policy, is to ensure that people won't be discouraged/prevented from playing the game

level 60 is when the most grief would happen if allowed

i do not agree with removing the PNP or the LNS policy; i just think it needs to be revamped. GMs need to abandon their guilty-until-proven-innocent policy while investigating claims more in-depth than they are now, and stop catering to shitheads that spam frivolous petitions like brobb and lite

Nice reply!

[dontbanpls]

i think it is pretty telling that andis, mornin. and retti are the ones unhappy about the rules and coincidentally they are all assholes

[Fame]

Mornin is a gentleman

[Guido]

pretty sure everyone who likes pvp is against these rules esp on a red server

you're barking up the wrong tree tunak

[dontbanpls]

I like pvp, and I just respect the rules. It is that easy. Even Kammbo who spends their whole day porting around killing people doesn't seem to have an issue. It is clear to me that the issue is you and your unwillingness to respect the rules

[Luniz]

i think it is pretty telling that andis, mornin. and retti are the ones unhappy about the rules and coincidentally they are all assholes

ive never had a problem with LNS

the problem isnt with the LNS rule, its the way people try to avoid calling it until its too late and then they stomp their feet and submit a petition where some other illiterate mush brain hits the wrong hotkey and DTs with a BAN before even considering the complaint/complainer/actual events

frivolous petition phishers and frivolous heavy handed discipline from ignorant csr

[Fame]

I think it does come down to loving pvp.

I'm here for pvp and always have been. By chance, people like Mornin are directly responsible for that.

When I was a young lad.. I happened upon this noble druid in the Eastern Common Lands, I did not know about level range or anything remotely PvP related at this time, I was new on the server, only a couple of hours in, level 5. He offered to buff me and told me to join his group for buffs.

LOADING PLEASE WAIT..

I am descending on the druid ring in North Karana as Mornin /shouts "Cleanse this foul elf!!" The Treants begin to charge.

LOADING PLEASE WAIT..

Four hours and one hell of a corpse run later I find my molested body near the rings and never looked back. In hindsight, it was actually a pretty nice saturday.

I'm here because of that, the only things that have deterred that interest since are PnP and a brief time where I thought I might not be able to play due to RL.



I'm here for the PvP. I'm not the only one.

[Dacuk]

your guild is responsible for by far the most frivolous petitionquest

i have no sympathy for you or andis when you're guilded with people like lite, brobb, and roarie

You are totally missing the point dude. It's not about which guild petitions more or who has bigger retards in the guild. all guilds are guilty of these issues.

The main problem is that there is a systems that allows for this idiotic petition quest. That's what we should be discussing, how to improve this dilemma, not wasting a good thread opportunity finger pointing like some retarded 3rd graders

[Luniz]

id like to allocate 100$ a month to staff training if thats possible

[Colgate]

You are totally missing the point dude. It's not about which guild petitions more or who has bigger retards in the guild. all guilds are guilty of these issues.

The main problem is that there is a systems that allows for this idiotic petition quest. That's what we should be discussing, how to improve this dilemma, not wasting a good thread opportunity finger pointing like some retarded 3rd graders

so you're justifying acting like a retarded douchebag just because "it's possible"

??

[dis_mornin]

I think it does come down to loving pvp.

I'm here for pvp and always have been. By chance, people like Mornin are directly responsible for that.

When I was a young lad.. I happened upon this noble druid in the Eastern Common Lands, I did not know about level range or anything remotely PvP related at this time, I was new on the server, only a couple of hours in, level 5. He offered to buff me and told me to join his group for buffs.

LOADING PLEASE WAIT..

I am descending on the druid ring in North Karana as Mornin /shouts "Cleanse this foul elf!!" The Treants begin to charge.

LOADING PLEASE WAIT..

Four hours and one hell of a corpse run later I find my molested body near the rings and never looked back. In hindsight, it was actually a pretty nice saturday.

I'm here because of that, the only things that have deterred that interest since are PnP and a brief time where I thought I might not be able to play due to RL.



I'm here for the PvP. I'm not the only one.

True story

[FaithlessKR]

Not everyone has /who bound to a key they use regularly. I went through live for over 6 years without ever doing it, and most of my time on red99 also.

While I also believe that in the spirit of the rules, it should be the person on lns to be responsible to check the zone and shout lns for every new person entering, it's also understandable to not do it more than once in a 10 second period of time. Andis said he logged in, and within 10 seconds attacked a naked Revy.

There's a chance that revy had checked who shortly before andis logged in and saw nobody and continued to his corpse. If the next time he goes to check who he's already being attacked, then shouting LNS will do absolutely nothing for him.

As we all know, calling LNS after you've already been attacked will do absolutely nothing for you and you will just die. And on a corpse run like one to seb that can take forever if you're not bound in Kunark, it can leave you pretty salty.

I don't really fault either side of this situation for their reaction, and like Colgate said the rules need to be revamped into something more manageable since there are no GM's on red to police these situations.

[Slathar]

Not everyone has /who bound to a key they use regularly. I went through live for over 6 years without ever doing it, and most of my time on red99 also.

While I also believe that in the spirit of the rules, it should be the person on lns to be responsible to check the zone and shout lns for every new person entering, it's also understandable to not do it more than once in a 10 second period of time. Andis said he logged in, and within 10 seconds attacked a naked Revy.

There's a chance that revy had checked who shortly before andis logged in and saw nobody and continued to his corpse. If the next time he goes to check who he's already being attacked, then shouting LNS will do absolutely nothing for him.

As we all know, calling LNS after you've already been attacked will do absolutely nothing for you and you will just die. And on a corpse run like one to seb that can take forever if you're not bound in Kunark, it can leave you pretty salty.

I don't really fault either side of this situation for their reaction, and like Colgate said the rules need to be revamped into something more manageable since there are no GM's on red to police these situations.


************BAD PLAYER ALERT***************

[pink grapefruit]

So OP killed a naked person on LnS? Sounds like the ban was well-deserved. Like that's precisely what the rule is trying to prevent, right?

[Bazia]

dont pvp you get nothing out of it

[Dacuk]

so you're justifying acting like a retarded douchebag just because "it's possible"

??


what who's justifying anything

??

i'm saying we should work to improve the system so people don't take advantage of it. this is the exact type of topic that should be reserved for respected community leaders.

I think hardcoding a /lns tag would be awesome. would love to understand how we could make seomthing like that work

[Fame]

man colgate really took a character dive for this guild, sad to see

[worch]

both times I have just loaded into the game - killed someone not knowing they have called lns in ooc - and I've taken the hit both times.

The PnP addresses this issue. Quote from PnP:

If a new player enters the zone, you must call Loot and Scoot so they are aware of your intentions.

Did you ignore the LnSer's message? Or did the LnS not follow the PnP rules?

One thing it doesn't address, however, is if you put the LnSer on /ignore.

[iiNGloriouS]

Since theres this thread now;

Oh that's right because you logged in on top of me and immediately popped duelist and 1 shotted me.

I don't like petition quest, but you know how many times I died on lns to azrael? Bout 6 times that day. I was trying to get out of Seb for 8 fucking hours dog. You also can ask your guild before you attack people because they all knew I had been trying to lns since they all violated it. Or just don't attack naked people in general, fire a warning shot, etc.

Was hoping Darkside And Chuck would eat a suspension too since they killed me about 3 times in a row.

Just don't be a fucking idiot and use your head. It isn't hard.

[pingpong]

Since theres this thread now;
^^
Guido you should post this on your petition thread. This basically exonerates you. It sucks that revy had LNS violated earlier, but this situation seems like unfortunate case where someone logged in and killed someone without knowing they were on LNS. That is going to happen a fair bit.

It is shitty of Revy to petition Guido when it seems like he knew that Guido logged in without knowing Revy was on LNS. Revy should have petitioned the people who killed him multiple times, not someone that got you once.

[Vanquisher]

man colgate really took a character dive for this guild, sad to see

[iiNGloriouS]

^^
Guido you should post this on your petition thread. This basically exonerates you. It sucks that revy had LNS violated earlier, but this situation seems like unfortunate case where someone logged in and killed someone without knowing they were on LNS. That is going to happen a fair bit.

It is shitty of Revy to petition Guido when it seems like he knew that Guido logged in without knowing Revy was on LNS. Revy should have petitioned the people who killed him multiple times, not someone that got you once.

I did; and nothing came of it.

[Fame]

http://i.imgur.com/62ICsnS.jpg

for old times Gaffin

[krazyGlue]

Voted no

[Luniz]

sorry but guido was in teamspeak with his entire guild and said hey im camped here is it safe to log in? and they said just naked revvy on lns and he said trollol and logged in

[Clark]

Remove PNP.

Isn't classic. Whoever created PNP never played pvp on live. Ridiculous.

[jeffd]

don't kill nakeds

voted naw

i attack people while i'm naked and on cr, and don't ask for or expect lns or pnp or other dumb blue treatment

then again i'm not fat irl

[Lime]

man colgate really took a character dive for this guild, sad to see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aQupiaCSA

[Buhbuh]

Despite having gone over this in two other threads, here goes.

Bottom line is: without a PnP, this server becomes a desert, but with the same PnP we have now, no meaningful PvP happens out of the fear that we'll be banned.

The main problem is that GMs are forced to be way too hands on (and contrary to what it may seem, GMs badly want us to settle our differences amongst ourselves). Unfortunately, no guild leaders really talk to one another about agreements in PvP, so the GMs are being pushed into enforcing a set of rules we should be policing on our own.

No one wants to be the guy to take the first step and be nice to an opposing guild on this server. It's not because we genuinely hate each other, it's just a dumb us versus them culture where the underdogs and the people on top both take their allegiances/ dislikes to heart. And that's fine, but it requires an end to that if anyone wants to see a real change in the rules.

Rules need to be unanimously agreed upon, player enforced and respected by everyone. If they're not respected, people need to be ostracized or punished for it. This solves frivolous petitioning by people who use LNS as a weapon, and it also solves the issue of people being punished brutally over minor infractions.

That's just for small scale LNS.

Force LNS is a whole other beast, and it also needs a huge change. We need to implement some sort of risk for losing and reward for winning. It's the dumbest thing to allow an entire guild that lost in mass PvP to LNS before a winning guild can recuperate and take the mob that was contested over.

The two proposed ideas to solve this issue once Force LNS is called by a guild:

1) The losing guild suffers a specified lockout time from the contested zones
2) The losing guild suffers a lockout from contested zones until the defending/ winning guild leaves

The third, less popular idea:

3) get camped until the defending/ winning guild gets bored and leaves

These are all ideas that bear in mind an agreement between the two (or more) contesting guilds hasn't been met before Force LNS is called.

Other ideas:

A LNS tag hard-coded in (easily exploited)
Don't kill naked people (not going to happen, and not always a good idea)

I think people should feel more inclined to bind rush in mass PvP and fight their hearts out for hours (i.e play with a more red mindset). Those are the fights people looked back on from live and remember. The fight over Emperor Ssraezha against Pandemonium, for instance, was absolute insanity.

I don't know if everyone feels the same way, but I feel like creating stronger risks and rewards in mass PvP naturally forces each side to commit, which will make fights drag out for hours (like how they should). The fights may happen less, surely, but when they do happen, they'll be far more fun.

Force LNS after an one death is not mass PvP. It's uneventful plugquest.

If every guild agrees on the way LNS should go, we have every opportunity to change the rules the way we want. It just has to be run by players, and it has to be convincing enough to GMs that we actually possess the skills to adequately enforce it.

[SamwiseRed]

Remove PNP.

Isn't classic. Whoever created PNP never played pvp on live. Ridiculous.

lol your sig. pathetic

[SamwiseRed]

Despite having gone over this in two other threads, here goes.

Bottom line is: without a PnP, this server becomes a desert, but with the same PnP we have now, no meaningful PvP happens out of the fear that we'll be banned.

The main problem is that GMs are forced to be way too hands on (and contrary to what it may seem, GMs badly want us to settle our differences amongst ourselves). Unfortunately, no guild leaders really talk to one another about agreements in PvP, so the GMs are being pushed into enforcing a set of rules we should be policing on our own.

No one wants to be the guy to take the first step and be nice to an opposing guild on this server. It's not because we genuinely hate each other, it's just a dumb us versus them culture where the underdogs and the people on top both take their allegiances/ dislikes to heart. And that's fine, but it requires an end to that if anyone wants to see a real change in the rules.

Rules need to be unanimously agreed upon, player enforced and respected by everyone. If they're not respected, people need to be ostracized or punished for it. This solves frivolous petitioning by people who use LNS as a weapon, and it also solves the issue of people being punished brutally over minor infractions.

That's just for small scale LNS.

Force LNS is a whole other beast, and it also needs a huge change. We need to implement some sort of risk for losing and reward for winning. It's the dumbest thing to allow an entire guild that lost in mass PvP to LNS before a winning guild can recuperate and take the mob that was contested over.

The two proposed ideas to solve this issue once Force LNS is called by a guild:

1) The losing guild suffers a specified lockout time from the contested zones
2) The losing guild suffers a lockout from contested zones until the defending/ winning guild leaves

The third, less popular idea:

3) get camped until the defending/ winning guild gets bored and leaves

These are all ideas that bear in mind an agreement between the two (or more) contesting guilds hasn't been met before Force LNS is called.

Other ideas:

A LNS tag hard-coded in (easily exploited)
Don't kill naked people (not going to happen, and not always a good idea)

I think people should feel more inclined to bind rush in mass PvP and fight their hearts out for hours (i.e play with a more red mindset). Those are the fights people looked back on from live and remember. The fight over Emperor Ssraezha against Pandemonium, for instance, was absolute insanity.

I don't know if everyone feels the same way, but I feel like creating stronger risks and rewards in mass PvP naturally forces each side to commit, which will make fights drag out for hours (like how they should). The fights may happen less, surely, but when they do happen, they'll be far more fun.

Force LNS after an one death is not mass PvP. It's uneventful plugquest.

If every guild agrees on the way LNS should go, we have every opportunity to change the rules the way we want. It just has to be run by players, and it has to be convincing enough to GMs that we actually possess the skills to adequately enforce it.

tl dr

pnp = more pop
stop being assholes

[Raijiin]

I agree something with pnp needs to change. Currently I'm suspended for attacking a geared reebz in Karnors. I was completely unaware he was on loot and scoot. Apparently it was my responsibility to watch /ooc like a hawk. Reebz did not notify me in any way that he was on lns. I guess he needed more time to get back that rogue mana at the zone in before scooting?

Currently I'm debating if PvP is even worth it on red. I am honestly afraid to attack anyone geared or naked in fear of eating another bullshit suspension.

In this situation PnP is turning a red player blue. Do I need to ask every geared player if they are on lns to be safe? Do I need to wait for them to attack first to ensure I don't get suspended for engaging in PvP on a PvP server? Also this guilty until proven innocent crap with suspensions is horrible. Every time you get a 3 word reaponse your petition immediately gets sent to the resolved section.

[Fang]

Reebz used to be a decent person but apparently he's turned into a huge piece of shit.

[Raijiin]

You ruthled?

Honest question. Why would you even bother petitioning me for attacking you while you were geared hanging out at the zone in after you had already looted your corpse? All trolling aside. This is an honest question.

[ducktv]

Honest question. Why would you even bother petitioning me for attacking you while you were geared hanging out at the zone in after you had already looted your corpse? All trolling aside. This is an honest question.

I called LNS probably 6 or 7 times in OOC. I'm actually pretty sure one of your guildies told me to shut up for saying it so many times. I looted, and as I was waiting for a guildmate to evacuate me, you came in and started casting. I said LNS in say to you multiple times, pre-engage. You didn't seem to care or bother stopping. After I cured and pumiced all of your shit, you resulted to lifetapping me. so I didn't want to die to that bullshit so I called off my guildmate and skedaddled to Nurga to get an evac from there instead.

EDIT: In all honesty I thought you were just being a piece of shit, glad you rolled a rogue though so I can completely destroy you when you get in range. :]

[Uuruk]

I called LNS probably 6 or 7 times in OOC. I'm actually pretty sure one of your guildies told me to shut up for saying it so many times. I looted, and as I was waiting for a guildmate to evacuate me, you came in and started casting. I said LNS in say to you multiple times, pre-engage. You didn't seem to care or bother stopping. After I cured and pumiced all of your shit, you resulted to lifetapping me. so I didn't want to die to that bullshit so I called off my guildmate and skedaddled to Nurga to get an evac from there instead.

EDIT: In all honesty I thought you were just being a piece of shit, glad you rolled a rogue though so I can completely destroy you when you get in range. :]

You ruthled?

[ducktv]

You ruthled?
http://puu.sh/hD832/04493c3287.png
8)

[Buhbuh]

so I didn't want to die to that bullshit so I called off my guildmate and skedaddled to Nurga to get an evac from there instead.

you realize that this should have been your only response?

when you LNS, you actually do it in a timely manner. not wait for your pal to get you where you want to go. loot. leave. 15 seconds.

you have absolutely no right to sit there for longer than it takes to loot and zone and/ or gate.

[Widan]

as I was waiting for a guildmate to evacuate me

This is in violation of the LNS policy and you should be suspended. Get out of the zone next time.

[Colgate]

being on LNS doesn't entitle you to wait for whatever arbitrary reason that you choose

the only time you're allowed to sit there and wait for help is when you literally have no way out of the zone on your own

last time i checked, a rogue doesn't need to wait on a porter to walk 3 feet into the zoneline and into dreadlands

[Buhbuh]

that you even petitioned something like that is astounding, Reebz. you know what you did wrong.

you just admitted to it.

[ducktv]

something something this thread is literally about changing the pnp. still quoting the pnp like it's yr bible. much ruthle.

EDIT: you should be suspended.

i'm already suspended.

[Buhbuh]

weren't you the one who just petitioned over a nothing issue to get someone suspended via the pnp?

[ducktv]

weren't you the one who just petitioned over a nothing issue to get someone suspended via the pnp?

Yes.

[Dany]

the spirit of the play nice policy, most particularly the LNS policy, is to ensure that people won't be discouraged/prevented from playing the game

level 60 is when the most grief would happen if allowed

i do not agree with removing the PNP or the LNS policy; i just think it needs to be revamped. GMs need to abandon their guilty-until-proven-innocent policy while investigating claims more in-depth than they are now, and stop catering to shitheads that spam frivolous petitions like brobb and lite

^^^^^^

[Samsung]

If you guys made clerics this doesn't happen!

[Syft-X]

being on LNS doesn't entitle you to wait for whatever arbitrary reason that you choose

the only time you're allowed to sit there and wait for help is when you literally have no way out of the zone on your own

last time i checked, a rogue doesn't need to wait on a porter to walk 3 feet into the zoneline and into dreadlands

You literally spend more time contacting GM's and petition questing code then any player on this server.

Like the time in veeshans peak you skyped Sirken who logged in within a 2 min timespan and death-touched Azraels entire raid force.

But it turns out you were lying and called LNS after dying to silverwing in the peak and had no right to even call LNS!

But grats on this facade you portray that you're above such things when in truth you are the biggest petition quest whiner to ever walk this server.

[Tassador]

^^^^^^

Warp haxx0ring

[BeautBabeC]

LnS rules arn't being followed by both sides, both sides are petitioning. Whoever started the bullshit doesn't really matter you're all slinging mud now. Fact is Empire is full of people who are abusing PnP, just like Empire claims Azrael is full of people doing it. If we could all act like grown ups for a minute maybe we could hammer out some rules that actually work buuuut yea we probably wont. Hopefully they just remove the thing and let the pop die back down to single digits

[Dany]

Warp haxx0ring

Prove it... Frap please...

Also what's the name of my in-game toon?

Stop harassing me tard.

[Guido]

^^
Guido you should post this on your petition thread. This basically exonerates you. It sucks that revy had LNS violated earlier, but this situation seems like unfortunate case where someone logged in and killed someone without knowing they were on LNS. That is going to happen a fair bit.

It is shitty of Revy to petition Guido when it seems like he knew that Guido logged in without knowing Revy was on LNS. Revy should have petitioned the people who killed him multiple times, not someone that got you once.

correct - I ate a suspension 2 years ago for the same thing - and now this landed me 28 days off

I load in, not knowing someone called lns, I kill them being the slayer that I am (rival guild empire)

The fact that revy petitioned me knowing I had just logged on is pathetic in itself - shows how sad this community really is.

on the other side - its quite obvious there needs to be some sort of lns tag so people know what the fuck is going on.

To even spice this up - the lnser is SUPPOSE TO SHOUT IF NEW PLAYERS ENTER THE ZONE THEIR INTENTIONS

IF REVY WAS LNSING AND I LOAD IN - IT IS HIS RESPONSIBILTY TO LET ME KNOW HE WAS ON LNS - AND HE DID NOT.

so what happened next: GMs saw my appeal - I quoted from the PnP rules directly - my thread was deleted or moved - basically getting ignored even though I am in the right here - not only is it a bullshit petition - the gms don't even care to listen to the facts - they just suspend without knowing what really happened.

[Uuruk]

correct - I ate a suspension 2 years ago for the same thing - and now this landed me 28 days off

I load in, not knowing someone called lns, I kill them being the slayer that I am (rival guild empire)

The fact that revy petitioned me knowing I had just logged on is pathetic in itself - shows how sad this community really is.

on the other side - its quite obvious there needs to be some sort of lns tag so people know what the fuck is going on.

To even spice this up - the lnser is SUPPOSE TO SHOUT IF NEW PLAYERS ENTER THE ZONE THEIR INTENTIONS

IF REVY WAS LNSING AND I LOAD IN - IT IS HIS RESPONSIBILTY TO LET ME KNOW HE WAS ON LNS - AND HE DID NOT.

Imagine being bound pretty far away die and have to find a port back etc. Then just to die to a dude who has asbergers after spending 30 minutes getting back and calling lns.

[Luniz]

I called LNS probably 6 or 7 times in OOC. I'm actually pretty sure one of your guildies told me to shut up for saying it so many times. I looted, and as I was waiting for a guildmate to evacuate me, you came in and started casting. I said LNS in say to you multiple times, pre-engage. You didn't seem to care or bother stopping. After I cured and pumiced all of your shit, you resulted to lifetapping me. so I didn't want to die to that bullshit so I called off my guildmate and skedaddled to Nurga to get an evac from there instead.

EDIT: In all honesty I thought you were just being a piece of shit, glad you rolled a rogue though so I can completely destroy you when you get in range. :]

a rogue doesnt need to wait for an evac to leave any zone

you were exploiting LNS to sit in zone as long as you could to stretch the rules

lns is not a free pass to taxi around norrath its only used for aquiring ur corpse and leaving

if I saw you petition this i would have suspended you for phishing and wasting csr time

[Uuruk]

a rogue doesnt need to wait for an evac to leave any zone

you were exploiting LNS to sit in zone as long as you could to stretch the rules

lns is not a free pass to taxi around norrath its only used for aquiring ur corpse and leaving

if I saw you petition this i would have suspended you for phishing and wasting csr time

He's already suspended for being a dumbass. Just sucks he took down someone with him.

[Syft-X]

Well the problem with PNP is it was put in place to accommodate people who truly have no interest in Classic everquest pvp.

In classic Everquest PvP you lost an item when you died, or exp, or their were no rules and you could be hit by lvl 60's when you were lvl 10.

Everquest was a harsh game you didnt float back to your body as a spirit nah! You were forced to run back naked ass in the air with a buncha people hoping to rape you.

I don't get the luxury of calling LNS there's a lot of people who would happily eat a suspension just to off me naked. Yet i always get my body regardless. Between low lvl corpse draggers, oor rezzers, or necro's to summon, I always find a way to grab my body no matter how camped it is.

But here players use LNS as way to petitionquest or avoid pvp all together.

For Example:

I kill Rag on June he calls LNS

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h266/syft13/Rag%20Tard_zpscvdgba4b.png (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/syft13/media/Rag%20Tard_zpscvdgba4b.png.html)

Let Rag LNS he immediately attacks me after he gets his body instead of scooting from the zone. And trains me!

Another Example:

Symp calls LNS after dying
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h266/syft13/EQ000238_zpseu2cxymo.png (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/syft13/media/EQ000238_zpseu2cxymo.png.html)

Doesn't scoot still there camping Pained soul the entire time, used LNS to buy more camp time unmolested.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h266/syft13/EQ000242_zpshmrf5xe6.png (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/syft13/media/EQ000242_zpshmrf5xe6.png.html)

I see LNS abused far more often then I see it used to allow someone to recover a body.

[HippoNipple]

Well the problem with PNP is it was put in place to accommodate people who truly have no interest in Classic everquest pvp.

In classic Everquest PvP you lost an item when you died, or exp, or their were no rules and you could be hit by lvl 60's when you were lvl 10.

Everquest was a harsh game you didnt float back to your body as a spirit nah! You were forced to run back naked ass in the air with a buncha people hoping to rape you.

I don't get the luxury of calling LNS there's a lot of people who would happily eat a suspension just to off me naked. Yet i always get my body regardless. Between low lvl corpse draggers, oor rezzers, or necro's to summon, I always find a way to grab my body no matter how camped it is.

But here players use LNS as way to petitionquest or avoid pvp all together.

For Example:

I kill Rag on June he calls LNS

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h266/syft13/Rag%20Tard_zpscvdgba4b.png (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/syft13/media/Rag%20Tard_zpscvdgba4b.png.html)

Let Rag LNS he immediately attacks me after he gets his body instead of scooting from the zone. And trains me!

Another Example:

Symp calls LNS after dying
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h266/syft13/EQ000238_zpseu2cxymo.png (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/syft13/media/EQ000238_zpseu2cxymo.png.html)

Doesn't scoot still there camping Pained soul the entire time, used LNS to buy more camp time unmolested.

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I see LNS abused far more often then I see it used to allow someone to recover a body.


It was implemented because there were sickos on this server camping bodies for days at a time. I don't know if this attitude was back on live as well but it may have stemmed from angry bitter adults playing a 16 year old game with no added content in 2 years.

The rules were implemented with the right idea in mind but they were never adjusted to fit the player base and how it was effecting the game play. It is a bad idea to implement ideas without the dedication to see it through and make it successful. It is hard to see how rules will play out without testing. Just making rules and saying fuck it, leaving them the way they are, is a bone head move.

[Syft-X]

It was implemented because there were sickos on this server camping bodies for days at a time. I don't know if this attitude was back on live as well but it may have stemmed from angry bitter adults playing a 16 year old game with no added content in 2 years.

The rules were implemented with the right idea in mind but they were never adjusted to fit the player base and how it was effecting the game play. It is a bad idea to implement ideas without the dedication to see it through and make it successful. It is hard to see how rules will play out without testing. Just making rules and saying fuck it, leaving them the way they are, is a bone head move.

I understand they implemented it with the best intentions but the road to hell was paved with great intentions. It's not being used the way it was intended, and continuing to haphazardly enforce it is causing the server more harm then good.

[Platexchange]

Well the problem with PNP is it was put in place to accommodate people who truly have no interest in Classic everquest pvp.

In classic Everquest PvP you lost an item when you died, or exp, or their were no rules and you could be hit by lvl 60's when you were lvl 10.

Everquest was a harsh game you didnt float back to your body as a spirit nah! You were forced to run back naked ass in the air with a buncha people hoping to rape you.

I don't get the luxury of calling LNS there's a lot of people who would happily eat a suspension just to off me naked. Yet i always get my body regardless. Between low lvl corpse draggers, oor rezzers, or necro's to summon, I always find a way to grab my body no matter how camped it is.

But here players use LNS as way to petitionquest or avoid pvp all together.

PNP was on live, it was just a code of conduct established by all guilds on how to handle disputes since GMs did not intervene. What made it work was accountability. If you violated the agreement you were guileless, group less, and kos to multiple guilds. We need that here, and until that happens petition quest will win.

I challenge the leaders of all guilds to establish a set of rules and actually follow them. If a 3000 player server can do it on live we can do it on here

[SamwiseRed]

low level corpse dragging is for faeggots.

[SamwiseRed]

PNP was on live, it was just a code of conduct established by all guilds on how to handle disputes since GMs did not intervene. What made it work was accountability. If you violated the agreement you were guileless, group less, and kos to multiple guilds. We need that here, and until that happens petition quest will win.

I challenge the leaders of all guilds to establish a set of rules and actually follow them. If a 3000 player server can do it on live we can do it on here

yup sadly noone gives a damn here.

rmt? np welcome to the guild
cheat? heres some loot, welcome to the guild
banned? lemme PL you real quick, oh and welcome to the guild

[Syft-X]

PNP was on live, it was just a code of conduct established by all guilds on how to handle disputes since GMs did not intervene. What made it work was accountability. If you violated the agreement you were guileless, group less, and kos to multiple guilds. We need that here, and until that happens petition quest will win.

I challenge the leaders of all guilds to establish a set of rules and actually follow them. If a 3000 player server can do it on live we can do it on here

I was in Darkenbane my last name was Bindcamper, pleased to Meetcha, no not everyone held hands and frolicked thru the fields together. I have a feeling your memories of Rallos were greatly different than mine.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

I was in Darkenbane my last name was Bindcamper, pleased to Meetcha, no not everyone held hands and frolicked thru the fields together. I have a feeling your memories of Rallos were greatly different than mine.

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Bindcamper

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/guildlist.php?guild_name=Darkenbane

sure buddy.

Edit: did find syft. http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Syft

kek 2001, july 2001. gimme a break dog.

[iiNGloriouS]

correct - I ate a suspension 2 years ago for the same thing - and now this landed me 28 days off

I load in, not knowing someone called lns, I kill them being the slayer that I am (rival guild empire)

The fact that revy petitioned me knowing I had just logged on is pathetic in itself - shows how sad this community really is.

on the other side - its quite obvious there needs to be some sort of lns tag so people know what the fuck is going on.

To even spice this up - the lnser is SUPPOSE TO SHOUT IF NEW PLAYERS ENTER THE ZONE THEIR INTENTIONS

IF REVY WAS LNSING AND I LOAD IN - IT IS HIS RESPONSIBILTY TO LET ME KNOW HE WAS ON LNS - AND HE DID NOT.

so what happened next: GMs saw my appeal - I quoted from the PnP rules directly - my thread was deleted or moved - basically getting ignored even though I am in the right here - not only is it a bullshit petition - the gms don't even care to listen to the facts - they just suspend without knowing what really happened.

There is not a MOMENT when you aren't in TeamSpeak with the crew.

I find your answer unacceptable and bullshit. I'm not so greedy for YT that when I see a naked person? I try to confirm with people if I've zoned/just logged in that I don't ask my guildies if they're on LNS.

Also how can I call LNS when the first thing is you popping in at entrance; where I just zoned into 5 seconds before, had been spamming LNS Seb every minute of my 30 minute non-sowless run, and you INSTANTLY duelist double backstab me and I die. Literally 0 seconds to type shit. Wouldn't of mattered I am sure you wouldn't have honored it.

Calm down your burgers Andis. Not my fault you keep 4 level 60s on the same account and can't play by the rules.

[Uuruk]

I was in Darkenbane my last name was Bindcamper, pleased to Meetcha, no not everyone held hands and frolicked thru the fields together. I have a feeling your memories of Rallos were greatly different than mine.

Like someone else said here cheating is embraced. RMT? No problem join on up...etc

[Guido]

I'm not lying jody - I was not in ts at the time so no I had no idea about you being on lns

and don't be so naïve - any empire would jump at me if I were in seb naked - difference is I would follow the rules - and shout that I was on LnS

but what did you do - petition me without even sending me a tell to find out what the deal was.

that in itself is pathetic - cuz I'm so dishonorable of lns and all - I'm one of the most legit players to ever graze this box

so please save us the bullshit - you had an opportunity to fuck over a once friend - and you did so andis got a month - at least I know what kind of person you are now.

[Uuruk]

There is not a MOMENT when you aren't in TeamSpeak with the crew.

I find your answer unacceptable and bullshit. I'm not so greedy for YT that when I see a naked person? I try to confirm with people if I've zoned/just logged in that I don't ask my guildies if they're on LNS.

Also how can I call LNS when the first thing is you popping in at entrance; where I just zoned into 5 seconds before, had been spamming LNS Seb every minute of my 30 minute non-sowless run, and you INSTANTLY duelist double backstab me and I die. Literally 0 seconds to type shit. Wouldn't of mattered I am sure you wouldn't have honored it.

Calm down your burgers Andis. Not my fault you keep 4 level 60s on the same account and can't play by the rules.

Pras this.

[fred schnarf]

tldr waaa

[iiNGloriouS]

I'm pretty sure at this point; most people this far into it wouldn't even think about killing a naked person.

Because we all don't want to eat suspensions.

I don't dislike you Andis, but you have a history of killing naked people because of how YT hungry you are and most of us know it. You aren't a bad person, I have no qualms with you. Ask Lite why Chuck and Darkside weren't banned, because they did the same thing 3x prior to you killing me.

Plus how would I also have knowledge of you JUST logging in?

In honor of what this song has become, and of the Blues legend who has gone into hospice; here is the perfect song to describe R99 right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59P6Ly7zRc0

[Pikrib]

I was in Darkenbane my last name was Bindcamper, pleased to Meetcha, no not everyone held hands and frolicked thru the fields together. I have a feeling your memories of Rallos were greatly different than mine.

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Bindcamper

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/guildlist.php?guild_name=Darkenbane

sure buddy.

Edit: did find syft. http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Syft

kek 2001, july 2001. gimme a break dog.

U stephans'd his last name. Maybe you should ask Nirgon to explain to ya how the site works. :D

[Luniz]

syft talkin bout classic didnt start until luclin

[Supaskillz]

I actually think LNS should be honored b/c people are being reasonable, not b/c GMS have to enforce the rule.

If someone comes and ganks me in seb while I foolishly solo, and I return and /shout just want to loot and get out, is that cool? Most folks would be reasonable rather than continue slaughtering me when I am a non-threat. I am sure some people get off on making others waste their time by slaughter naked-outnumbered toons who stated they would not touch you, but I like to believe the social nature of the game will mean their name and/or their tag will be known as an asshat and will become a target of everyone or will be disowned by their guild.

Maybe I am extremely naive, but do we really need to have babysitters for the most basic pvp situations?

[Guido]

so without sending your old friend a tell asking what was up

you immediately submit a petition - and now I am banned for a month because you didn't shout your intentions.

Cool. Thanks for confirming. And thanks to the staff for listening, oh wait

[Syft-X]

syft talkin bout classic didnt start until luclin

LOL damn rustled so hard these cats are down to stalker phase...

<looks in mirror>

You still got it big guy.

<Dons King of Rustle Crown>

Name wasn't Syft on Rallos clowns...

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=fistanthalas

Also played by my boy after many of my toons were banned

The character I ran Darkenbane's recruitment guild with Shae

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Hiddukel

That site also doesn't list Ganlore which is some major BS

[Littlegyno 13.0]

U stephans'd his last name. Maybe you should ask Nirgon to explain to ya how the site works. :D

kek. i didn't read his gibberish mostly. didn't catch the last name part. who the fuck announces his characters last name?

also, i know how the site works. i submitted hundreds of logs.

[Syft-X]

kek. i didn't read his gibberish mostly. didn't catch the last name part. who the fuck announces his characters last name?

also, i know how the site works. i submitted hundreds of logs.

Doesn't read what I write...internet stalks my toons...

http://imghumour.com/assets/Uploads/Seems-Legit-Police-Car.jpg

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Doesn't read what I write...internet stalks my toons...

http://imghumour.com/assets/Uploads/Seems-Legit-Police-Car.jpg

it's called skimming over the majority of it.

[Syft-X]

it's called skimming over the majority of it.

So you took the time to ferret out my names and cross reference it with searches to check my characters on live, but couldn't take the time to read a few more words?

Were you trying to look cool or smart, because I don't think it worked on either front.

[fred schnarf]

level 47 wizard

[Uuruk]

so without sending your old friend a tell asking what was up

you immediately submit a petition - and now I am banned for a month because you didn't shout your intentions.

Cool. Thanks for confirming. And thanks to the staff for listening, oh wait

Can we perma ban this guy and his life for talking shit about staff ? Obviously has a bad attitude in and out of game and can't seem to stop breaking rules.

Thanks.

[Luniz]

LOL damn rustled so hard these cats are down to stalker phase...

<looks in mirror>

You still got it big guy.

<Dons King of Rustle Crown>

Name wasn't Syft on Rallos clowns...

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=fistanthalas

Also played by my boy after many of my toons were banned

The character I ran Darkenbane's recruitment guild with Shae

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Hiddukel

That site also doesn't list Ganlore which is some major BS

this just screams aspergers and low self esteem

[Syft-X]

this just screams aspergers and low self esteem

Yep but internet stalking peoples toons is totally normal

hue hue hue

[Littlegyno 13.0]

syft, champion of lvl 30-40 pvp during luclin era.

good lord.

[Buhbuh]

skimmed a little


like i said, if it's not agreed upon by all guild leaders/ officers of every guild on the server, nothing is changing. can't really blame GMs for that. until there's a formal discussion with all of them, these threads are meaningless except for throwing around ideas.

to even use SZ as a means to shoot for on this server is ridiculous. this server will never be like SZ, and that has been established/ said many times over. plenty of emu's have tried SZ style in the past and they were poison. if you're good at PvP, sure, it can be fun, but they don't cater to hardcore here. it's middle of the road style PvP. that's what pulls players in. no one wants that here except for a small minority.

[Syft-X]

syft, champion of lvl 30-40 pvp during luclin era.

good lord.

You tarded never said Syft was my Rallos toon?

guess you should read better skimming aint ur thang

[Littlegyno 13.0]

You tarded never said Syft was my Rallos toon?

guess you should read better skimming aint ur thang

yea man, your name on rallos wasn't syft. i understand. You just picked that name again for another eq pvp server.

gotcha pal.

[Syft-X]

yea man, your name on rallos wasn't syft. i understand. You just picked that name again for another eq pvp server.

gotcha pal.

LOL sorry didn't know I was only allowed to have one toon per server, guess it wasn't me next to kerrygetz when we got banned for charming people into guards.. guess it wasn't me who pwrlvled Rykker when he started either

That site sucks btw doesn't list half the peoples correct lvls doesn't even have a lvl for Kerry.

[Luniz]

LOL sorry didn't know I was only allowed to have one toon per server, guess it wasn't me next to kerrygetz when we got banned for charming people into guards.. guess it wasn't me who pwrlvled Rykker when he started either

That site sucks btw doesn't list half the peoples correct lvls doesn't even have a lvl for Kerry.

can you compile all of your accomplishments circa luclin on live please? it might help with your aspergers+low self esteem

[Syft-X]

yea man, your name on rallos wasn't syft. i understand. You just picked that name again for another eq pvp server.

gotcha pal.

Oh I get it you're trying to spin this plunder into a troll like the Time cutie/dazey rejected you after you offered her pixels for sex.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159638&highlight=cutie+dongshow

[bolo]

You are totally missing the point dude. It's not about which guild petitions more or who has bigger retards in the guild. all guilds are guilty of these issues.

The main problem is that there is a systems that allows for this idiotic petition quest. That's what we should be discussing, how to improve this dilemma, not wasting a good thread opportunity finger pointing like some retarded 3rd graders

That's it.

[Forthy Walrus]

Unlike some of my guildies. And unlike how azrael would treat this thread if it was other way around. I won't troll this.

Something needs to change. I agree with andis the petition quest has gotten out of control. Answer shouldn't be don't kill nakeds. This is a PvP server. Answer should be plug your death until it's safe to loot your corpse. The problem is we have ppl on this box that over load the gms with frivolous petitions because they can't win in game. Mixed with moron gms who lack all professionalism and just get stoned and look at a few bs screenshots and immediately ban. I agree this server has gone too far blue and needs adjusting to the rules. But also needs adjustment to the player base that will come in to an agreement to stop the frivolous bs petitions. God bless.

voted yes.

[Clark]

Remove PNP.

Remove LNS.

Make it classic.