PnP Rules - Changes or Removal Necessary - GMs Please Read

[Guido]

At this point I have just given up.

I've been suspended two times for lns violation. The first time was at the beginning of the pnp rules and now this past week.

both times I have just loaded into the game - killed someone not knowing they have called lns in ooc - and I've taken the hit both times.

At this point, it's pretty safe to say that judging these petitions made on just Screenshots is pretty pathetic and unjust.

Taking this second hit - 28 days is the result - who knows I might come back and play I might not

GMs really need to take a closer look into these rules:

option 1) Maybe making a hardcode change so somebody can opt into lns mode (ie: type /lns) when this happens it makes the player immune for a certain amount of time so they can get their corpse and leave

option 2) stop lns rules for all 60s - this is a red server - how are we different than blue at this point? - sure getting to 60 can be hard but given the fact there are no penalties for dying in pvp - I think this should be a viable option.

discuss - the way these pnp violations are flying - is killing summer immersion especially with velious on the way.

[Tassador]

I like option 1 and see no way that it could be used to bend game mechanics. Great post andis!

[Buhbuh]

we all gave up PvPing like weeks ago for fear of bans

all of us play WoW BGs/ League/ DoTA when we're done raiding

get with the program bro

[Rompar]

Guy pops duelist on naked people and wonders why he randomly gets banned for LNS violations.

Guido is a scummer.

[Guido]

we all gave up PvPing like weeks ago for fear of bans

all of us play WoW BGs/ League/ DoTA when we're done raiding

get with the program bro

nah its sad people are afraid to pvp on a red server

really fucking sad

might as well call this server blue2 - cuz its far from red

[Buhbuh]

it's just a disgrace that we haven't changed the rules around guido's behavior

[Guido]

it's not even about me cyren

it's about this red server - once you hit 60 pnp should be removed period

the whole point of pnp is to not get griefed as you level - once you hit 60 guess what welcome to red server - not sure why this is so hard to understand

[Eslade]

http://i.imgur.com/nCWcGfR.gif

[Guido]

my story is an example of how these pnp rules can be abused

petition quest on one of the strongest players outside the zerg

lets get him out again because we can SS a kill and get him suspended - even if his track record proves to be honorable one.

its just bs

[daasgoot]

remove pnp

[Guido]

remove pnp

keep pnp for leveling

remove at 60

simple.

miss you goot

[daasgoot]

also, free tyva

suspended for lns violation in a 9v15+ because he didn't respect mornin's solo LNS call

guys like mornin are the problem

the solution is aids-be-gone.

[Guido]

The only thing GMs base these petitions on is a SCREENSHOT or video

Guess what there is always a story behind it - two sides - but fuck em right - just suspend them

[Nirgon]

option 1) Maybe making a hardcode change so somebody can opt into lns mode (ie: type /lns) when this happens it makes the player immune for a certain amount of time so they can get their corpse and leave


option 1 allows the person to sit in zones and spy

it is true though, if we can't have around the clock GMs (sickos who want to be P99 product support for free 20 hours a day cuz that's what some players here do) something hard coded would be good... but I don't even know where to start

I think an <LNS> tag next to a player to at least catch scenarios where someone was not online or is zoning when someone calls LNS would be a good thing when dev pals have time

Sirken has reduced suspensions for people who "participated in an lns violation" (attacked a person and backed up then some other dude kills them) which I think is a good thing that he does.

A reminder to Sirken is that the LNS violations go both ways where I've seen a player call LNS and then start buffing/rezzing/attacking people... THAT is why we are so "blood thirsty" (on both sides)

Along with the <LNS> tag we need people submitting more than a 5 second clip of trains or permanent bans for people caught trying to pull shit like this. Tailoring evidence or constantly ban fishing and crying wolf should also be punished harshly.

[Guido]

anything - it needs a change or removal at 60

the way it is terrible and wrong

[XiakenjaTZ]

A <LNS> tag would be good. Though if you have a <LNS> it should auto disappear if you loot or are wearing gear.

If it was not automatic server side flying a <LNS> tag while geared should be a 1 month suspension with a screenshot as sufficient proof.

If you really are on LNS you should be 100% naked, just soul bound keys.

[Nirgon]

keep pnp for leveling

remove at 60


that isn't bad a bad idea either honestly but bind camping should still be illegal

I personally don't NEED lns, nor does anyone in Azrael or Friends that is lvl 60

Planes/raid zones also need to have their FFA restriction removed

The "protection laws" should definitely be in place to protect new players but the veterans of this server are more than capable of taking care of themselves or having friends come help them if they are getting corpse camped.

[XiakenjaTZ]

Though I must say I have rarely had an issue with LnS.

OOC it once, shout it in the zone you are going through and keep and eye on any new folks zoning in.

[daasgoot]

just remove it

on multiple occasions i have had ppl state they were on LNS after i started attacking them.

i let them go.

they were fully geared and upon checking the leaderboard i could see they had not died to PVP within the last 24 hours.

shits ridiculous.

say we didn't have a player made leaderboard.

how could we even confirm someone is telling the truth when they call LNS??


only solution is to remove the carebare pnp and move on.

anyone that cant handle it shouldn't play on r99 anyway. there is a blue server.

[Guido]

Though I must say I have rarely had an issue with LnS.

OOC it once, shout it in the zone you are going through and keep and eye on any new folks zoning in.

the most pathetic part is - if revy was on lns and I missed it - BY RULE HE IS SUPPOSED TO SHOUT IN ZONE SAYING HE WAS ON LNS

I have told GMs this in my petition and it got erased.

not sure why or what the fuck. I literally quoted the rule.

and got no response.

[Guido]

just remove it

on multiple occasions i have had ppl state they were on LNS after i started attacking them.

i let them go.

they were fully geared and upon checking the leaderboard i could see they had not died to PVP within the last 24 hours.

shits ridiculous.

say we didn't have a player made leaderboard.

how could we even confirm someone is telling the truth when they call LNS??


only solution is to remove the carebare pnp and move on.

anyone that cant handle it shouldn't play on r99 anyway. there is a blue server.

agreed

[Nirgon]

let's see how long being men about this and trying to get something good in place that doesn't favor selfish interests lasts tho

[pink grapefruit]

Imagine if you don't kill naked people your chances of being suspended for this are greatly reduced.

[Guido]

I quote the rules and how the petitioner did not follow THEIR VERY OWN PNP RULE

but lets erase guido's thread - hes still wrong.

[Guido]

Imagine if you don't kill naked people your chances of being suspended for this are greatly reduced.

that is the only counter to my argument - but it gets void once revy did not follow the very own pnp rules

if he was lnsing in seb where I loaded in - it should have been known

how am I suppose to know he called lns before I loaded in

it is the shadiest thing - besides having a gm erase a petition showing how the petitioner did not follow the very own rules that I am being suspended for

shady as shit

[Tameth]

just remove it

on multiple occasions i have had ppl state they were on LNS after i started attacking them.

i let them go.

they were fully geared and upon checking the leaderboard i could see they had not died to PVP within the last 24 hours.

shits ridiculous.

say we didn't have a player made leaderboard.

how could we even confirm someone is telling the truth when they call LNS??

Azrael being the biggest abusers of this. Remove PNP.

[Nirgon]

anyone that cant handle it shouldn't play on r99 anyway. there is a blue server.

Right but this isn't a toxic vztz shit box.

There's pvp and keeping people out of zones and then... there's someone trying to learn who is getting corpse camp, called a mad baby, made fun of in ooc by the entire server.... that's not PvP that's just being a fire giant. There's nothing red about harassing the shit out of people. Believe it or else I do feel bad when SOME people who are not in my guild get put through the ringer getting ganged up on in ooc and told they're the worst player on the server and to quit. It just sucks for the community. It's not "red" or "pvp" its just being a fire giant and harassing people until they don't want to play here. That said, there's about 0 chance for good sportsmanship here until certain people get the Nizzar treatment. You're literally trading 5 humongous pieces of shit for 100 more people playing here and staying.

[Buhbuh]

it's not even about me cyren

it's about this red server - once you hit 60 pnp should be removed period

the whole point of pnp is to not get griefed as you level - once you hit 60 guess what welcome to red server - not sure why this is so hard to understand

don't be obtuse, of course it's about you

this thread wouldn't even exist unless you were suspended for a month

not that i disagree with you that the pnp is awful

[Uuruk]

At this point I have just given up.

I've been suspended two times for lns violation. The first time was at the beginning of the pnp rules and now this past week.

both times I have just loaded into the game - killed someone not knowing they have called lns in ooc - and I've taken the hit both times.

At this point, it's pretty safe to say that judging these petitions made on just Screenshots is pretty pathetic and unjust.

Taking this second hit - 28 days is the result - who knows I might come back and play I might not

GMs really need to take a closer look into these rules:

option 1) Maybe making a hardcode change so somebody can opt into lns mode (ie: type /lns) when this happens it makes the player immune for a certain amount of time so they can get their corpse and leave

option 2) stop lns rules for all 60s - this is a red server - how are we different than blue at this point? - sure getting to 60 can be hard but given the fact there are no penalties for dying in pvp - I think this should be a viable option.

discuss - the way these pnp violations are flying - is killing summer immersion especially with velious on the way.
Later nerd . No one cares

[daasgoot]

Azrael being the biggest abusers of this. Remove PNP.

yeah its all azrael...

lol dude -- cmon

[Uuruk]

The only thing GMs base these petitions on is a SCREENSHOT or video

Guess what there is always a story behind it - two sides - but fuck em right - just suspend them

This is not true. I had a GM suspend me 3 minutes after killing someone at level 10. I made a petition in the petition forum and was unsuspended within the hour after explaining the situation with Screenshots . You got banned because you killed someone on LNS. Seeing your behavior and ooc chat in game really doesn't help your case here.

[Uuruk]

Imagine if you don't kill naked people your chances of being suspended for this are greatly reduced.

100 fucking percent this.

[Guido]

this thread was made for serious talk about improving or removing pnp

trolls please leave. thanks.

[Uuruk]

this thread was made for serious talk about improving or removing pnp

trolls please leave. thanks.

Don't post it in RnF dumbfuck. Your brain must be about the size of. You think gms just stroll through rnf looking for someone trying to have a meaningful conversation about how to improve the server?

[Littlegyno 13.0]

this thread was made for serious talk about improving or removing pnp

trolls please leave. thanks.

THIS IS RANTS AND FLAMES MOTHERFUCKER.

BURN DA WORLD, STRING UP ERUDITES, 420 BLAZE IT, FUCK ANDIS, SEND ALL ERUDITES TO ODUS, 1488, ALL PRAS GONGSHOW AND EMPIRE.

[Sapphiay]

with slash lns automatic teleportation to a small safezone in the next city 30 seconds after the corpse is looted

[Guido]

good point moving thread

[Buhbuh]

It's an RnF thread.

Trust me, your ideas are shit. If it's gonna happen, you won't see it on your watch.

[Guido]

moved to server discussion

where big boys can talk

[Littlegyno 13.0]

moved to server discussion

where big boys can talk

it'll be moved to rnf shortly. trust me dawg.

[Luniz]

At this point I have just given up.

I've been suspended two times for lns violation. The first time was at the beginning of the pnp rules and now this past week.

both times I have just loaded into the game - killed someone not knowing they have called lns in ooc - and I've taken the hit both times.

At this point, it's pretty safe to say that judging these petitions made on just Screenshots is pretty pathetic and unjust.

Taking this second hit - 28 days is the result - who knows I might come back and play I might not

GMs really need to take a closer look into these rules:

option 1) Maybe making a hardcode change so somebody can opt into lns mode (ie: type /lns) when this happens it makes the player immune for a certain amount of time so they can get their corpse and leave

option 2) stop lns rules for all 60s - this is a red server - how are we different than blue at this point? - sure getting to 60 can be hard but given the fact there are no penalties for dying in pvp - I think this should be a viable option.

discuss - the way these pnp violations are flying - is killing summer immersion especially with velious on the way.

http://www.thedistractionnetwork.com/images/uglyfatguywhoisflexible1.jpg

[Rednaros]

Your guild is the main ones petitionquesting...28 days though rofl rest in piss
The gms dont care, this isnt live, you are in their playground and they can do whatever they want

[LostCause]

only 28 days still 3 months till velious you good bro

[Nirgon]

Your guild is the main ones petitionquesting...28 days though rofl rest in piss
The gms dont care, this isnt live, you are in their playground and they can do whatever they want

think I figured out a way to find out how many times someone's posted in da petition section 8-)

*goes to the drawing board*

[Syft-X]

Seen Rag violate LNS everytime I kill um he calls lns and immediately starts attacking me after he gets his body

[Not_Kazowi]

This thread reeks Andis. All his chars on one account, banned for a month lol.. Suggests an option where you switch on immune LNS status.

How about you just play by the rules? Shit like standing at people binds waiting for a naked to spawn is what gets you banned. You bend the rules and you pay the price BUB

I used to do it all the time on VZTZ

[JayN]

cray baby red baby bitches bluer the bluebies blue balls

[fiegi 8.0]

Personally i've never petitioend anyone for a lns/training violation. But word on the street has it that Brobby and pals usually have 6 open petitions at all times trying to get ppl in trouble, so I guess you could say......... what goes around comes around eventually.

[Slathar]

Personally i've never petitioend anyone for a lns/training violation. But word on the street has it that Brobby and pals usually have 6 open petitions at all times trying to get ppl in trouble, so I guess you could say......... what goes around comes around eventually.

i had 15 active petitions but its down 9 now

[billhollins]

this thread was made for serious talk about improving or removing pnp

trolls please leave. thanks.

Sounds like ur addiction to this game has reached an unhealthy level. Ur freaking out over a video game dawg. News at 11 Guido beats some handsome man with a full head of hair to death with a mace...

[iiNGloriouS]

the most pathetic part is - if revy was on lns and I missed it - BY RULE HE IS SUPPOSED TO SHOUT IN ZONE SAYING HE WAS ON LNS

I have told GMs this in my petition and it got erased.

not sure why or what the fuck. I literally quoted the rule.

and got no response.

Oh that's right because you logged in on top of me and immediately popped duelisy and 1 shotted me.

I don't like petition quest, but you know how many times I died on lns to azrael? Bout 6 times I was trying to get out of Seb for 8 fucking hours dog. You also can ask your guild before you attack people because they all knew I had been trying to lns. or just don't attack naked people in general.

Was hoping Darkside And Chuck would eat a suspension too since they killed me about 3 times in a row.

Just don't be a fucking idiot and use your head. It isn't hard.

[syzygyst]

*SOB* QQ.

PNP needs to go away

[iiNGloriouS]

Lol you're another nonfactor anon.

I don't like pnp. But if I wanna play here ill abide by it. Ive seen so many accounts suspended in the past month, on both sides, for the most retarded reasons.

Everyone just needs to stop fishing for bans. Especially Brobb n crew.

[Slathar]

enjoy your bans nerds

welcome to the matricks


*adds hot babe to venril sathir forum signature dual wielding ban hammers*

im the general

[Raijiin]

I agree, PnP needs to be removed for 60s

[SamwiseRed]

i say we remove 60s

[billhollins]

i say we remove 60s

/thread

[iiNGloriouS]

i say we remove 60s

59 rogue twinks 4lyfe

[Guido]

Oh that's right because you logged in on top of me and immediately popped duelisy and 1 shotted me.

I don't like petition quest, but you know how many times I died on lns to azrael? Bout 6 times I was trying to get out of Seb for 8 fucking hours dog. You also can ask your guild before you attack people because they all knew I had been trying to lns. or just don't attack naked people in general.

Was hoping Darkside And Chuck would eat a suspension too since they killed me about 3 times in a row.

Just don't be a fucking idiot and use your head. It isn't hard.

I wasn't in teamspeak and had just logged into game - I don't immediately load into ts before game - otherwise I might have known you were on lns

so you petition me for this? really jody

thought you were better than that.

[HippoNipple]

I wasn't in teamspeak and had just logged into game - I don't immediately load into ts before game - otherwise I might have known you were on lns

so you petition me for this? really jody

thought you were better than that.

How do GMs not look at logs to see when LnS was called, when someone logged in, etc?

If they did I'm guessing GMs assumed since you were a part of the guild breaking the rules they just decided to punish the last person to do it.

It would be nice if LnS was a command in game, it put a tag above your head, and threw on something like a 2 hour rez effect/debuff on your char that somehow stayed on whether they died within the 2 hours or not. That way everyone knows you are on LnS and people probably wouldn't be throwing the tag up to avoid PvP.

If someone did try to throw the tag up last minute there would be clear logs of them putting it up after PvP engagement or logs of them putting it up without a YT.

[Uuruk]

How do GMs not look at logs to see when LnS was called, when someone logged in, etc?

If they did I'm guessing GMs assumed since you were a part of the guild breaking the rules they just decided to punish the last person to do it.

It would be nice if LnS was a command in game, it put a tag above your head, and threw on something like a 2 hour rez effect/debuff on your char that somehow stayed on whether they died within the 2 hours or not. That way everyone knows you are on LnS and people probably wouldn't be throwing the tag up to avoid PvP.

If someone did try to throw the tag up last minute there would be clear logs of them putting it up after PvP engagement or logs of them putting it up without a YT.

Or you know popping duelist to kill a naked person.

[HippoNipple]

Or you know popping duelist to kill a naked person.

If someone dies to PvE I don't see a problem with killing them while they are naked. I also don't see a problem with killing someone naked that hasn't called LnS even if they just died in PvP.

Besides the joy of killing someone PvP is to provide you with territory control. If you let someone come in and get their corpse every time they then have a fair shot at killing you 10 minutes later. There is no reason to let someone get a fair shot at you if you already won. The point of LnS was to allow someone to give up and go to a new area. It is important to kill everyone you see whether they have gear or not unless you know for sure they have called LnS and are forced to leave the zone.

[Syft-X]

Or you know popping duelist to kill a naked person.

Sdraw hit me for a 1800 duelist pop while i was on corpse run, I didn't cry about it or say some ridiculous blue shit like don't kill naked people...instead this happened...

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h266/syft13/sdraw2_zps0asx8fco.png (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/syft13/media/sdraw2_zps0asx8fco.png.html)

Welcome to a PvP server... Live like a samurai..die by the sword!

[heartbrand]

I am undefested vs Syft

[Syft-X]

I am undefested vs Syft

That english?