A true look at joining Red as a new player.

[Jsteed]

-I'm about three weeks into playing red- forgive me if any of this information about your guilds are wrong- this is just based off my experiences as I have been leveling.

The main thing I have noticed about this server is there are no anti pk guilds. its more of a wow style horde(empire) v alliance(most other guilds). which would be fine and all, but the problem is the alliance guilds aren't even the good guys. If you are not tagged by either of these factions both will attack you. So its really a mess for a new player.

going where your best chance to find a group is will lead you to a bored fungi/epic rogue twink or sk. This is more based on the server being stuck in Kunark for so long that people get bored- it is also a product of the no anti pk guilds.

When grouping with other new players like myself its a blast, monks wearing full cloth using their fist, pally in full bronze. the exp bonus makes the server very easy to make friends to level up with.

Something needs to be done about the global /ooc, its just consistently spammed with "look at me talk" from people wanting to be noticed. With the low population and everyone /anon its a must to keep on for a new player to find groups tho otherwise I would just turn it off.

The best thing to me about the red server is ironically is the pve, exp bonus/camps always open is a great way to meet people leveling up. When I did encounter pvp vs non twinked to hell players it was a blast, sadly these are far and few between.

If you are thinking about joining this server, apply to a major guild early. If your trying to lone wolf it into your 50s. be close to your bind spot because your kos to 99% of the server.

[Susvain2]

whats your toons name i'd like to help you out in-game

[FAPhoenix]

Joined on January 31, with no support and my only EQ experience was a blue 29 druid from 2001. Solo'd until 46 picking zones wisely and reading about PvP. Talked to other necros for tips. Self made gear up to that point. Sure it took me away from some people, and I had to set aside time to farm plat for my own gear, but I was mid 40's with a positive kill death ratio.

I will tell you the same thing the first guy to kill me told me, drop the blue mentality now. The earlier you start attacking people the better. If you want to wander the zones being the one attacked fine, but just accept you are playing a fast blue server with griefers (in your mind).

That was the best advice. This is red. There are twinks. Guess what, and mid levels and above they aren't that great if you can get the jump.

The blue mentality is what holds so many new players back. They keep telling themselves they will pvp "once they have gear." That is why so many flock to empire or fresh. There are awesome pvpers in those guilds. But behind those groups are players who just want an easier blue.

One guy called me an asshole for killing him and just wait until he got gear. He is still 8-20. Never got any better with gear because he didn't get the difference between red and blue.

To the griefers and pvpers on this server, thanks. Most people on this server will tell you what you did wrong when you die. The core of this server wants to fight. Or as Nirgon put it, "Wolves, Sheepdogs, Sheep." If you need an anti-pk guild, then you ate sheep looking for a sheepdog...

Welcome to red, now fo sucker punch a few people until you understand that is our server. Took me about 10 fights to begin to "get" red and to fight better.

TT

[Widan]

The core of this server wants to fight.


I'd be surprised if even 10% of the server wanted pvp anymore.

[Slowride]

whats your toons name i'd like to help you out in-game

This is the guy that is always saying look at me in OOC btw.

[HalflingWarrior]

The problem, and reason, there's no anti-PKers is because MOST of the lowlevel toons at this point are just people's alts.

They don't get guild tagged til theyre in their 50s so they don't get griefed while leveling up.

[HalflingWarrior]

Joined on January 31, with no support and my only EQ experience was a blue 29 druid from 2001. Solo'd until 46 picking zones wisely and reading about PvP. Talked to other necros for tips. Self made gear up to that point. Sure it took me away from some people, and I had to set aside time to farm plat for my own gear, but I was mid 40's with a positive kill death ratio.

I will tell you the same thing the first guy to kill me told me, drop the blue mentality now. The earlier you start attacking people the better. If you want to wander the zones being the one attacked fine, but just accept you are playing a fast blue server with griefers (in your mind).

That was the best advice. This is red. There are twinks. Guess what, and mid levels and above they aren't that great if you can get the jump.

The blue mentality is what holds so many new players back. They keep telling themselves they will pvp "once they have gear." That is why so many flock to empire or fresh. There are awesome pvpers in those guilds. But behind those groups are players who just want an easier blue.

One guy called me an asshole for killing him and just wait until he got gear. He is still 8-20. Never got any better with gear because he didn't get the difference between red and blue.

To the griefers and pvpers on this server, thanks. Most people on this server will tell you what you did wrong when you die. The core of this server wants to fight. Or as Nirgon put it, "Wolves, Sheepdogs, Sheep." If you need an anti-pk guild, then you ate sheep looking for a sheepdog...

Welcome to red, now fo sucker punch a few people until you understand that is our server. Took me about 10 fights to begin to "get" red and to fight better.

TT

LOL see now this is the problem with the leaderboards; and the server in general. Attacking a player whos at 15% hp and has a mob on him, while technically "PVPing," is really just GRIEFING.

The leaderboards only serve to encourage this nonsense as well as all the deleveling ubertwinks which are in far greater number than they ever were on live.

Live did in fact have "anti-PK" guilds. They were some of the most active PVPers, too! They were generally in place to deal with said ubertwink griefers. On this server
you don't have that because the ubertwinks are all alts of high level players from the same guild.

I've yet to see ONE twink PVP against another twink. Instead they kill everyone else in Unrest then form an ubergroup of fungi-epic-noobs to XP insanely fast.

[hammbone]

just dont start them tears up in the forums.

[FAPhoenix]

LOL see now this is the problem with the leaderboards; and the server in general. Attacking a player whos at 15% hp and has a mob on him, while technically "PVPing," is really just GRIEFING.

You missed the point...he just needs to start attacking people in general to get last the reservations he had around pvp. When I say jump people I mean while they are running through a zone. Once I attacked people fighting mobs, a group of six and three of us were running through to a camp we wanted in Guk.

It's the mindset that pvp is bad, or that pvp should only be used in certain circumstances that holds this server back. I play the game expecting to be attacked. The amount of people who come over from blue and say they only want to pvp over camps or who think it is gear holding them back is astounding.

[Norther]

Good post OP.

[fred schnarf]

red is like jail , kick someones ass the first day and youll be ok

[vouss]

good post FAPheonix

[aborted]

Just level up in places where pks are not....think outside of the box

Good post though btw, my comment is just for new players reading

[Qtip]

red is like jail , kick someones ass the first day and youll be ok

Lol

[Barladore]

LOL see now this is the problem with the leaderboards; and the server in general. Attacking a player whos at 15% hp and has a mob on him, while technically "PVPing," is really just GRIEFING.

The leaderboards only serve to encourage this nonsense as well as all the deleveling ubertwinks which are in far greater number than they ever were on live.

Live did in fact have "anti-PK" guilds. They were some of the most active PVPers, too! They were generally in place to deal with said ubertwink griefers. On this server
you don't have that because the ubertwinks are all alts of high level players from the same guild.

I've yet to see ONE twink PVP against another twink. Instead they kill everyone else in Unrest then form an ubergroup of fungi-epic-noobs to XP insanely fast.

Terrible post - if you are attacking a mob (that will bring you to 15%) with in-range players in zone, you deserve to be attacked while you are fighting said mob. You are not being grief'd, you are bad.

FAPheonix is on point

[Norther]

good post FAPheonix

[Rednaros]

just punch the biggest guy on the block and make everyone know your name
jk gms will ban u for being a pvper

[pink grapefruit]

It might be best to chill out a little. Yes, twinks are a thing and it sucks they're out there destroying groups. But this is EverQuest, and EQ has always been more frustrating and difficult than other MMOs. The devs put giants and spectres in popular zones for the teen levels. And like blinded the unfortunate customers playing human races, for no reason other than it made sense in the lore.

A few CRs isn't the end of the world. Stick it out and you'll feel that much more accomplished when you make it past the twinks. There's a reason that pvpers are generally better players when compared with bluebies. We choose not to play on easy mode.

[Videri]

if you are attacking a mob (that will bring you to 15%) with in-range players in zone, you deserve to be attacked while you are fighting said mob. You are not being grief'd

Barladorex just explained the difference between Blue and Red. To put it my way: while on Blue you can fight mobs until low hp and then med up, on Red you have to med up after each kill, and not take on mobs that will make you vulnerable (unless you're alone in the zone in a safe spot). You have to be much more careful and take precautions on Red. And if you're surviving, you know you're good.

[FaithlessKR]

Barladorex just explained the difference between Blue and Red. To put it my way: while on Blue you can fight mobs until low hp and then med up, on Red you have to med up after each kill, and not take on mobs that will make you vulnerable (unless you're alone in the zone in a safe spot). You have to be much more careful and take precautions on Red. And if you're surviving, you may not be retarded.

FTFY

[red99playing]

There is a lot of logical miss steps in these "pvp everyone if you aren't a smurf" posts.

another time though

The biggest dynamic that is not being accounted for in this thread is that everyone on red almost literally knows everyone on red. A lot of them hate each other blindly.

I'll let the social / pvp motives and implications and how that affects new players flesh out in your minds.


A side note: there are still a lot of great people on red. Just distance yourself from anyone that tries to make you yes man and be a tool for pixels and you'll generally run into them.

[Tassador]

red is like jail , kick someones ass the first day and youll be ok

+1 lol

[Guttzs]

LOL see now this is the problem with the leaderboards; and the server in general. Attacking a player whos at 15% hp and has a mob on him, while technically "PVPing," is really just GRIEFING..

No thats pvp you are blue as fuck

[Widan]

You could also just level up when Empire is raiding, or wait til Velious when they will be raiding a lot. Right now they are pretty much Nihilum version 2 with all the twinks they have parked around leveling zones.

[Clark]

whats your toons name i'd like to help you out in-game

This is the guy that is always saying look at me in OOC btw.

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[Tassador]

No thats pvp you are blue as fuck

That's the problem with blue players that come to red. Snaring bards kiting should be allowed. Engaging players with low hp's on a mob should be allowed. I mean it's pvp guys on classic the exp sucked and deaths would result in 5% exp loss and it wasn't a big deal.

[Efwan]

@OP my advice is make some friends try and run with the same crew and off the beating path, places like befallen najena kurns etc. When I came here originally I had a couple friends to play with at times but I also made a ton more just from pickup groups, learned to kind of ignore the twinks as they won't follow you from zone to zone anyway because they are pretty bad skill wise for the most part. I definitely recommend a guild because, you're right, if I see someone unguilded I will most likely pk them assuming they are an empire twink/alt until they send me a tell with their correct affiliation. Fresh recruits all levels, The Curse recruits all classes and basically all levels, the rest of the guilds have some priority lists and mainly only go for lvls 50+. Pick what fits best for you and go with it.


Also, stay off the forums if you are faint at heart or wear it on your sleeve at times. It is a big troll fest here, I don't mind it because it's entertaining when I'm bored at work or waiting on the pilots to get the damn plane ready.

[Fame]

I remember my first beer

[grannock]

Pretty sure the most "skilled" player at avoiding pvp is also the biggest pussy. Play red how you want to play, yt ratios mean nothing, dont let the handful of forumquestors convince you any differently.