Just a reminder for new and old players regarding Real Money Transactions (RMT)

[Sirken]

I've seen an influx of new players on Project 1999 in the recent days, and I just wanted to take a minute to address them, as well as our veteran players.

Do not spend RL money for things on Project 1999. Trading Project 1999 items, currency, accounts, etc. for anything not within Project 1999 is considered Real Money Trading (henceforth referred to as RMT).

We take this rule very seriously, and I constantly see players post in the petition forum explaining that they didn’t know it was against the rules, that they are very sorry, and that they won’t do it again. And while it truly saddens us when we have to ban accounts, we have these rules publicly posted for everyone to read. We strongly believe that part of the reason people play here is because they can do so for free, and know that no one else can pay for an advantage, or buy their way ahead, and that if a person does engage in these activities they will be banned. But furthermore, those accounts banned for RMT will never be unbanned on the Project 1999 server.

Because of how serious we take this, and because of the malicious methods enacted by these RMT sellers, we take a "better safe than sorry" approach. This means that if you engage in RMT activities, you are not only risking your own account, you are risking every account you ever logged in to. That means all your friends and guildies that trusted you with their login info, will also lose all their time, items, characters, and accounts as well. We take this very seriously here at Project 1999, and we ask that you do as well.

As a side note, I understand that some people simply have more money than time, and they see no problem with buying things since they don’t have the time. This opinion is fine, as long as you don’t do it on Project 1999. There are hundreds of other games out there that allow RMT, pay to win, or have cash shops. However we at Project 1999 do not want that on our server, and we kindly ask for you to respect that.

[Bellringer]

<3

[lovecheese]

Yeah. a level 1 selling a rogue epic MQ asked if I wanted to Skype with him about the transaction instead of talking in game. Never replied back to him.

[wOOtpowns]

Seems reasonable to me, RMT has always caused problems and attracted scammers in other games I've played. Besides, what's the fun of buying your way to success?

[Swish]

And remember: Even if you DID NOT RMT the GMs can just say you did and ban your accounts in the mass banwave anyways!!!!

In other words, if someone says "hey can you help me transfer 100k and this fungi?" in the tunnel... don't do it, you're probably helping someone trying not to get caught.

[Daldaen]

I hope Sirken forum and then in-game bans those of you trolling this thread.

[Swish]

I made this and you just changed your avatar... :(

http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/05/03/Untitled2b642.png

[HalflingWarrior]

In other words, if someone says "hey can you help me transfer 100k and this fungi?" in the tunnel... don't do it, you're probably helping someone trying not to get caught.

Yea I wouldn't accept ANY donations in the form pure platinum pieces. These RMTERS had a thread on their site bragging that they handed out like 100kpp in 500pp increments after the last banwave

[nilzark]

And while it truly saddens us when we have to ban accounts... .

I chuckled at this. But seriously no RMT!

[paulgiamatti]

Yea I wouldn't accept ANY donations in the form pure platinum pieces. These RMTERS had a thread on their site bragging that they handed out like 100kpp in 500pp increments after the last banwave

It's pretty hilarious that people actually think they're going to get caught up in a banwave for accepting 500pp in dirty money.

The bottom line is if you get caught up in an RMT banwave, you did something with an RMTer. That doesn't mean you're guilty; it just means you did something with an RMTer. If you're innocent, it will be extremely easy to prove your innocence.

If you're innocent and you bitch and complain and piss and moan about it in the petition forum, I hope you get bumped way down to the bottom of the list and you don't get your account back for a very long time.

[wormed]

Well this thread got cut in half. Haha.

[tizznyres]

Love seeing such a harsh stance on RMT, please keep it up!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

do not do it. do not RMT.
do not box, not two, not three
do not use mq2, or you shall see
the bannhammer come after thee
for unlike live with all its woes
this server has gm's who are on their toes

[eisley]

This may be out of place, but have you considered a "tutorial" starting room? After creating character, you pop up in a little house with one mob in. You hail it and it goes over the p99-specific rules. The big, conduct stuff. Then they can say a phrase ("I will not take out a second mortgage to buy a pre-nerf fungi staff") to drop into the typical starting area. If you think new players are the most common prey, it may help. Yes, I stole this idea from Shards of Dalaya.

[rekreant]

Its an idea, but I dont think you will ever stop them. This has been a problem since UO times and will probly be an issue for mmo devs time immaterial.

The problem is Capitalism folks. As long as we live in our hedonistic Capitalist ways people will always want to use their greed to oppress you. We are the 1%!!!!

[SwiftInTheNight]

A+

[Waedawen]

Its an idea, but I dont think you will ever stop them. This has been a problem since UO times and will probly be an issue for mmo devs time immaterial.

The problem is Capitalism folks. As long as we live in our hedonistic Capitalist ways people will always want to use their greed to oppress you. We are the 1%!!!!

we all know this, that's why the announcement is worded such the way that it is.

good job trying to feel clever, but you're just stating the obvious.

[Telin]

A+ advice

[Pint]

do not do it. do not RMT.
do not box, not two, not three
do not use mq2, or you shall see
the bannhammer come after thee
for unlike live with all its woes
this server has gm's who are on their toes

Lol nice

[Xer0]

It's pretty hilarious that people actually think they're going to get caught up in a banwave for accepting 500pp in dirty money.

The bottom line is if you get caught up in an RMT banwave, you did something with an RMTer. That doesn't mean you're guilty; it just means you did something with an RMTer. If you're innocent, it will be extremely easy to prove your innocence.

If you're innocent and you bitch and complain and piss and moan about it in the petition forum, I hope you get bumped way down to the bottom of the list and you don't get your account back for a very long time.

And why do you think anyone cares what your opinion on the matter is?

[muggalol]

i love sirkdaddy

[Jimjam]

When our files are out of date there is a warning written at the create/choose character screen; would it be possible to do a similar anti box/rmt warning in that screen for accounts with no characters?

[RevengeofGio]

"Yeah guys.. my unnamed friend got me my epic MQed to me, a fungi tunic and CoF."

You know I'm not even done leveling one character and I've run into a lot of guys like this.

edited for less hyperbole.

[Swish]

And why do you think anyone cares what your opinion on the matter is?

Yeah! You tell him Xer0, coming in here stating his opinion in a forum...I hope he's learnt his lesson :p

[Nicoladen]

My problem is this:
How do you really know if you are trading with a RMT'er or if you are getting "tainted"

Let's say I buy afungi tunic from some random dude in EC. I fork over the 60k+ and get the fungi tunic.

Then 3 months down the line I might get banned because this person I traded with turned out to be a RMT'er.

If I don't have a log..even if I did how is that proof of my innocence?

So because of one unlucky deal I risk losing my account in a ban wave?

[Nicoladen]

Further more:
When thinking about it - how would you even know if the trade causing you to get flagged was for a specific item. When I think about it I have been buying and selling a lot like probably everyone else. sold item for 1k, bought item for 3k - sold item for 4k, bought item for 6k etc. So everytime I make a trade I risc dealing with some douche that has RMT'ed or is a RMT'er. I know this sounds paranoid, but when we invest the time we do in a game like EQ it sure would help if we had some kind of reassurance that our chars don't get cought in some ban wave script :)

[Swish]

From the last ban wave, people got their accounts back after proof was posted.

Perhaps a lesson to run a log and save it, and take screenshots of any large transaction you do...the screenshot will obviously save the date and if the item was 'hot' you've got a point of reference to look back on.

It should be tunnel fat cat 101 by now really, cover yourself.

[Daldaen]

Always have /log on. It's helpful to say "Thanks for buying my ITEMHERE".

Then you can show the logs of someone giving you 60k, you auctioning to sell a fungi and you selling the fungi to this guy. They can easily check and confirm you're legit if you can narrow down the exact time of the trade and what was sold for what.

Too much concern is given to this. They aren't just banning people who bought Fungis or Cloaks of Flames. They are banning people who receive trades where one party offers up 30k, and the other offers up nothing. Generally these are MQ sales for Rogue or Monk epics. The buyer often being some guy who wants to RMT and easy mode his way onto the server. They just figured because that guy was flagged for buying RMT Plat, you, when accepting his 30k for nothing in exchange, also are buying RMT Plat.

So this issue is mainly focused on MQ sellers who have to keep logs of their MQ sales. Your average run of the mill EC purchase will not be flagged for anything unless you previously bought plat

[Nicoladen]

That doesn't prove anything though.
I can prove that the transaction occurred - But they already know that - since the script flagged my char.
Anyway I should probably be wearing a tin foil hat - stuff like this just makes me think and worry a bit.
If my account was ever to get banned it would make the wife happy atleast :p

[Swish]

So this issue is mainly focused on MQ sellers who have to keep logs of their MQ sales. Your average run of the mill EC purchase will not be flagged for anything unless you previously bought plat

500+ accounts got banned for MQ'ing last time? That's a lot of rogue/cleric epics.

Something tells me it wasn't just MQ transactions that were involved.

Either way, if you have logs and get hit you've got some kind of record.

Better advice, don't play the tunnel game... roll an alt ;)

[Thulack]

500+ accounts got banned for MQ'ing last time? That's a lot of rogue/cleric epics.

Something tells me it wasn't just MQ transactions that were involved.

Either way, if you have logs and get hit you've got some kind of record.

Better advice, don't play the tunnel game... roll an alt ;)

Where you getting 500+ from? I never saw any numbers given for the last ban wave unless i missed it or it was on Sirkens Talk show.

[Temig]

Where you getting 500+ from? I never saw any numbers given for the last ban wave unless i missed it or it was on Sirkens Talk show.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181740 The number posted was 440 though.

[Sirken]

That doesn't prove anything though.
I can prove that the transaction occurred - But they already know that - since the script flagged my char.
Anyway I should probably be wearing a tin foil hat - stuff like this just makes me think and worry a bit.
If my account was ever to get banned it would make the wife happy atleast :p

if you paid 60k for a fungi, you obviously didnt also pay RL money for it. we dont blindly ban people. if we ban you, we have a specific reason (usually a specific transaction), and you have a direct connection to an RMTer we caught.

the reason we have false positives is because RMTers are trying to mix legit trades in with their RMT dealings because they think this makes it harder to catch them. it doesnt. but we do just ban everything to ensure we catch everything. its not the best system admittedly, but in our eyes its better to be sure we get all of it and unban innocents on a case by case review, than to risk not hitting all the RMTers.

if you are wrongly banned, you can always go to the petition/exploit forum, and you can ask why and you will be given a chance to explain the situation. i understand players can be frustrated over this, but please be polite, because if we just banned 440 accounts for RMT, it means we spent the last two weeks digging through logs all day and all night, and we have no patience for rudeness.

hope that helps clear some things up,

<3
Sirken

[AceDSilva]

I've seen an influx of new players on Project 1999 in the recent days, and I just wanted to take a minute to address them, as well as our veteran players.

Do not spend RL money for things on Project 1999. Trading Project 1999 items, currency, accounts, etc. for anything not within Project 1999 is considered Real Money Trading (henceforth referred to as RMT).

We take this rule very seriously, and I constantly see players post in the petition forum explaining that they didn’t know it was against the rules, that they are very sorry, and that they won’t do it again. And while it truly saddens us when we have to ban accounts, we have these rules publicly posted for everyone to read. We strongly believe that part of the reason people play here is because they can do so for free, and know that no one else can pay for an advantage, or buy their way ahead, and that if a person does engage in these activities they will be banned. But furthermore, those accounts banned for RMT will never be unbanned on the Project 1999 server.

Because of how serious we take this, and because of the malicious methods enacted by these RMT sellers, we take a "better safe than sorry" approach. This means that if you engage in RMT activities, you are not only risking your own account, you are risking every account you ever logged in to. That means all your friends and guildies that trusted you with their login info, will also lose all their time, items, characters, and accounts as well. We take this very seriously here at Project 1999, and we ask that you do as well.

As a side note, I understand that some people simply have more money than time, and they see no problem with buying things since they don’t have the time. This opinion is fine, as long as you don’t do it on Project 1999. There are hundreds of other games out there that allow RMT, pay to win, or have cash shops. However we at Project 1999 do not want that on our server, and we kindly ask for you to respect that.

So how does this work in concern to GMs engaging in RMT? Just sweep it under the rug? Pretend the GM was never a member of the staff on the server? Integrity? Is there any left?

[Sirken]

So how does this work in concern to GMs engaging in RMT? Just sweep it under the rug? Pretend the GM was never a member of the staff on the server? Integrity? Is there any left?

if you feel a GM is engaging in RMT, or, violating any other rule that our staff must follow, please send all evidence of this claim to Rogean in a PM. unless you think you have proof of Rogean being dirty, then you should send it to Nilbog.

any time a staff member has been found breaking these very serious rules, Rogean has instantly removed all their access from the server, investigated the issue, and handled it appropriately.

if you truly believe this staff or this server have no integrity, then maybe you should play somewhere else, because it doesn't sound like you're able to have fun here, and at the end of the day, you should only be here if you're having fun.

<3
Sirken

[paulgiamatti]

If my account was ever to get banned it would make the wife happy atleast :p

Everyone should be prepared to have their accounts banned. Anyone is susceptible to doing any number of trades with an RMTer that could end up looking suspicious for a multitude of reasons.

I get the feeling people think that getting caught up in a banwave is a one-way ticket - they've found you guilty and there's no convincing them otherwise. This isn't how it works. Even if you don't have logging enabled and have a very hazy recollection of the transaction in question, you're still gonna get out of jail if you just stay calm and tell them the truth. They have server logs, they have ways to find out what happened and ways to verify your story.

That said, everyone should have logging enabled (http://wiki.project1999.com/Players:Technical#Automatically_log_all_the_time) so that when you do get thrown in jail, you'll have the necessary resources to make it as short and painless of an experience as possible. Don't panic, don't throw a fit - if you're innocent there's no reason to get upset, just tell them what you know of the transaction in question and things will work out.

It might take a few days. That might seem like an eternity to some of you nerds, but you'll get through it. I promise.

[Swish]

It's another good reason to only have one character per registered account. If you have to wait (x) time to get the account back you'll at least have an alt to play on while waiting.

For some reason I had 500 in my head, sorry for the inaccuracy.

[Ele]

I'm interested in seeing how this banwave policy plays out in the long run. Its basically "kill them all, let God sort it out" or rather "ban them all, let the GMs sort it out."

In almost any other venue in 2015, a "kill 'em all" mentality is a great way to get the opposite of what you want (see: 2003 Invasion of Iraq). In an MMO, where things are completely different, the strategy may work to destroy the "terrorist" RMT'ers.

Considering that a good portion of people that have been legit permabanned multiple times keep coming back and leveling new characters, Evercrack is stronger than Krazy Glue + Gorilla Glue.

[Hopscotch]

Hey!

Didn't realize RMT was illegal. I engaged in RMT on account <Redacted by Moderators>. Can you go ahead and just ban me now? I'd like to go ahead and start playing without having to fear that my time will be lost, in addition to my money.

Would be nice if there was some sort of click - through that explained the RMT policy as it seems to be pretty commonplace in most modern games. Not trying to preach...just if you have a very serious policy, it'd be nice if it was represented with the requisite severity.

[fauxreigner]

Really casual player here, just getting back into the game. I have a couple of questions about what to do while I'm playing to cover my butt in case I'm unjustly punished in the future. I understand that this is very unlikely to occur but I'd like to have evidence if I have to prove myself innocent.

How will enabling logging help a player prove himself innocent in the event he is wrongly caught in a banwave? Does a player log have some information that GM's can't see in server logs? Do I need to do anything to timestamp and archive my play logs between playing sessions?

[Temig]

Really casual player here, just getting back into the game. I have a couple of questions about what to do while I'm playing to cover my butt in case I'm unjustly punished in the future. I understand that this is very unlikely to occur but I'd like to have evidence if I have to prove myself innocent.

How will enabling logging help a player prove himself innocent in the event he is wrongly caught in a banwave? Does a player log have some information that GM's can't see in server logs? Do I need to do anything to timestamp and archive my play logs between playing sessions?

The only thing a log could ever possibly help with would be if you made some sort of multiple-party trade (ie. I'll give you XX plat on this char, and you can give YY item to my other character). It would give you details regarding character names etc. that may help their investigation, but staff would still verify everything via server logs -- you'd just possibly give them a place to look.

[Man0warr]

Really casual player here, just getting back into the game. I have a couple of questions about what to do while I'm playing to cover my butt in case I'm unjustly punished in the future. I understand that this is very unlikely to occur but I'd like to have evidence if I have to prove myself innocent.

How will enabling logging help a player prove himself innocent in the event he is wrongly caught in a banwave? Does a player log have some information that GM's can't see in server logs? Do I need to do anything to timestamp and archive my play logs between playing sessions?

Don't accept larges sums of plat with nothing in return from anyone for any reason. That will get you flagged straight up.

[Ele]

Really casual player here, just getting back into the game. I have a couple of questions about what to do while I'm playing to cover my butt in case I'm unjustly punished in the future. I understand that this is very unlikely to occur but I'd like to have evidence if I have to prove myself innocent.

How will enabling logging help a player prove himself innocent in the event he is wrongly caught in a banwave? Does a player log have some information that GM's can't see in server logs? Do I need to do anything to timestamp and archive my play logs between playing sessions?

If you enable your log, it will log everything that appears in your chat window(s) with a date and time stamp.

Unless the server records every single tell sent, then GMs won't have access to your discussion with the other player(s) regarding your trade.

[fauxreigner]

The only thing a log could ever possibly help with would be if you made some sort of multiple-party trade (ie. I'll give you XX plat on this char, and you can give YY item to my other character). It would give you details regarding character names etc. that may help their investigation, but staff would still verify everything via server logs -- you'd just possibly give them a place to look.

Oh, I see. Narrowing the search space makes sense, but I thought maybe there was more to it.

Thanks for the response.

[Teneran]

If you enable your log, it will log everything that appears in your chat window(s) with a date and time stamp.

Unless the server records every single tell sent, then GMs won't have access to your discussion with the other player(s) regarding your trade.

I thought EVERYTHING was saved server side; guildchat, ooc, tells, /say, etc. Am I wrong about this?

One could easily fake a log file ... if it isn't saved serverside it's meaningless.

[Temig]

I thought EVERYTHING was saved server side; guildchat, ooc, tells, /say, etc. Am I wrong about this?

One could easily fake a log file ... if it isn't saved serverside it's meaningless.

IIRC, no communication at all is stored server-side. I could be wrong on this but I'm fairly sure I remember someone on staff stating as such.

[Teneran]

IIRC, no communication at all is stored server-side. I could be wrong on this but I'm fairly sure I remember someone on staff stating as such.

Hmmmm, ok, I'll turn my log file on I guess then. I've held cash for a monk friend I play with from time to time to keep his weight down but the max trade was 696pp, hardly worrisome to anyone I'm sure.

Stupid question ... I can't recall for the life of me how to take a screenshot and a quick wiki and forum search wasn't helpful. A reminder on how to do that would be greatly appreciated.

[Temig]

Hmmmm, ok, I'll turn my log file on I guess then. I've held cash for a monk friend I play with from time to time to keep his weight down but the max trade was 696pp, hardly worrisome to anyone I'm sure.

Stupid question ... I can't recall for the life of me how to take a screenshot and a quick wiki and forum search wasn't helpful. A reminder on how to do that would be greatly appreciated.

NUMPAD - should be the default. Should be able to be changed ALT-O for options then I want to say it's in with the camera settings.

[Ele]

Stupid question ... I can't recall for the life of me how to take a screenshot and a quick wiki and forum search wasn't helpful. A reminder on how to do that would be greatly appreciated.

minus/dash symbol on your numerical keypad, if you play on a laptop that doesn't have a dedicated numerical keypad, you may have to do a combination of function key + whatever other key it is set.

You should also be able to change it in the EQ -> Options -> Keys menu to whatever button you want.

[paulgiamatti]

Don't accept larges sums of plat with nothing in return from anyone for any reason. That will get you flagged straight up.

I mean I understand this is well-intentioned, but I'd really rather people not listen to this advice. It's true that it can get you flagged if the person giving you the platinum happens to be an RMTer, or if you happen to be an RMTer, but I really don't see the purpose in taking extreme measures like avoiding certain transactions altogether.

This will lead to chilling effects. I don't think it's a coincidence that people are much more reluctant to help with item and plat transfers after the last banwave, but I also think people's concerns are largely unfounded. I just want to stress that you can rely on the staff to do their job - you're not gonna get permabanned if you've done nothing wrong.

Not stressing out over the safety of certain transactions and keeping the willingness to help other people and trade freely alive is much more important than saving yourself a few days of playtime in the unlikely event that you get caught in a banwave. I have done twice as many transactions that will scan as highly suspicious if they happened to have involved an RMTer as I had done when my account was banned in the last banwave. And you know what? I'm not worried about it. I turned on logging. I don't RMT. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.

[Grimjaw]

Hmmmm, ok, I'll turn my log file on I guess then. I've held cash for a monk friend I play with from time to time to keep his weight down but the max trade was 696pp, hardly worrisome to anyone I'm sure.

Stupid question ... I can't recall for the life of me how to take a screenshot and a quick wiki and forum search wasn't helpful. A reminder on how to do that would be greatly appreciated.

posting makes you look suspicious. id stop that if I were you

[rekreant]

"Yeah guys.. my unnamed friend got me my epic MQed to me, a fungi tunic and CoF."

You know I'm not even done leveling one character and I've run into a lot of guys like this.

edited for less hyperbole.

Yeah god forbid you actually have friends...

[rekreant]

Logging everything and screen shotting is classic, didnt yall know?

[loramin]

I mean I understand this is well-intentioned, but I'd really rather people not listen to this advice. It's true that it can get you flagged if the person giving you the platinum happens to be an RMTer, or if you happen to be an RMTer, but I really don't see the purpose in taking extreme measures like avoiding certain transactions altogether.

This. It's an amazing tradition on this server for higher-level players to give massive gifts to lower-level players. Once, an incredibly nice player that I had literally just met that night gave me the JBB (25k value) off his back (er wrist). And I've heard of many similar stories of random generosity.

Someday, when I no longer need it anymore, I plan on doing the exact same thing, and it would be tragic if a lower-level shaman turned me down because they were afraid of an RMT ban. Blue is a really special place; let's not let RMTers and fear ruin it.

[RevengeofGio]

Yeah god forbid you actually have friends...


I think the point went that way; you must have missed it. Check back later?

PS - I know there are some nice folks out there; I just hate sitting in groups where massively twinked people are telling me everyone cheats, but no they are clean; they got friends. This isn't even a 1 time thing.... it happened so much a year + ago that I left.

[Man0warr]

I mean I understand this is well-intentioned, but I'd really rather people not listen to this advice. It's true that it can get you flagged if the person giving you the platinum happens to be an RMTer, or if you happen to be an RMTer, but I really don't see the purpose in taking extreme measures like avoiding certain transactions altogether.

This will lead to chilling effects. I don't think it's a coincidence that people are much more reluctant to help with item and plat transfers after the last banwave, but I also think people's concerns are largely unfounded. I just want to stress that you can rely on the staff to do their job - you're not gonna get permabanned if you've done nothing wrong.

Not stressing out over the safety of certain transactions and keeping the willingness to help other people and trade freely alive is much more important than saving yourself a few days of playtime in the unlikely event that you get caught in a banwave. I have done twice as many transactions that will scan as highly suspicious if they happened to have involved an RMTer as I had done when my account was banned in the last banwave. And you know what? I'm not worried about it. I turned on logging. I don't RMT. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.

Literally everyone in my guild falsely banned last time was either due to 1) getting money from RMTers for Chardok AE PL or other PL types or 2) Epic MQs to RMTers.

It takes weeks to get yourself unbanned even if you have logs of the transactions proving it was for PLing or MQing and you had no knowledge of where the plat was from. If you don't keep logs you may never get unbanned.

I personally don't do plat transfers for non-guildies anymore because of this. It's not worth the risk.

This. It's an amazing tradition on this server for higher-level players to give massive gifts to lower-level players. Once, an incredibly nice player that I had literally just met that night gave me the JBB (25k value) off his back (er wrist). And I've heard of many similar stories of random generosity.

Someday, when I no longer need it anymore, I plan on doing the exact same thing, and it would be tragic if a lower-level shaman turned me down because they were afraid of an RMT ban. Blue is a really special place; let's not let RMTers and fear ruin it.

There is a difference between giving out items to lowbies and large sums of plat.

It's not fear - it's literally something Sirken warned off in his post. They don't discriminate on banning people. If you don't keep logs and you get flagged for some reason, they are not going to unban you.

[Armolad]

Back when I first started a couple of years ago, I ran into someone and they gave me 15 plat or similar. I know it's not a lot, but boy did that help early on. I still died a lot but at least I wasn't poor and dead. ;)

I think that turning on logging is a good idea either way.

[paulgiamatti]

It takes weeks to get yourself unbanned even if you have logs of the transactions proving it was for PLing or MQing and you had no knowledge of where the plat was from. If you don't keep logs you may never get unbanned.

I had no logs and a very hazy recollection of the transaction that got me flagged in the last banwave, and it only took a couple days to get my account back. Granted, I did have to give them some pretty good ideas concerning which NPC was involved in the MQ, and who might have purchased it and when - and I had an EC Tunnel thread with a "sold" edit (dear lord, please bring back editing in the EC Tunnel forum) matching the timestamp of the transaction in question.

I very much doubt that anyone who's truly innocent runs the risk of being permabanned in a banwave. It might take a lot longer if you have absolutely no information to give them, or if you're being difficult and impatient. I could be wrong; the truth probably lies somewhere between us.

I personally don't do plat transfers for non-guildies anymore because of this. It's not worth the risk.

Your intuitions about your guildies being clean-handed are probably off. I don't know which guild you're in, but as a rule of thumb this is usually the case - RMTers can be anywhere.

There is a difference between giving out items to lowbies and large sums of plat.

It's not fear - it's literally something Sirken warned off in his post. They don't discriminate on banning people.

Point taken, but I wasn't really talking about helping out newbies - I was more talking about genuine large platinum and item transfers. Sometimes you really do need to unload 50k from your main to your mule, or transfer a CoF or a Fungi - I'd be disappointed if we ended up in an environment where literally everyone ignores transfer requests that come from outside their own guild, when the very same transfer coming from within their guild would run them the same risk.

Sirken wasn't suggesting we should never accept large sums/big items under any conditions whatsoever, he was just explaining that RMT banwaves are indiscriminate and each ban is reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

If you don't keep logs and you get flagged for some reason, they are not going to unban you.

I can tell you from experience that this isn't true, but you should play as if it is. Everyone should have logging enabled; no exceptions.

[Man0warr]

Yeah I'm sure someone in my guild has RMT'd before, but the risk seems much lower than doing a plat transfer for random unguilded level 5 mule in EC.

[rekreant]

I think the point went that way; you must have missed it. Check back later?

PS - I know there are some nice folks out there; I just hate sitting in groups where massively twinked people are telling me everyone cheats, but no they are clean; they got friends. This isn't even a 1 time thing.... it happened so much a year + ago that I left.

We used to be able to trade accts for plat, so maybe people were actually playing legitimately..

[Ravager]

Could probably put a dent in RMT by nerfing multi-questing and AE exp. They're probably making more money per hour selling Chardok pulls for five bucks a pop than they are selling toons and gear.

[chipz]

Really shit can way to handle the situation. People put a lot of time into video games, and to be banned because of some stupid script would really suck. Especially if it took weeks to reverse.
I'll never play EQ enough to attain this amount of plat so it would never effect me either way, but I could see it being highly annoying to those who are legit and get banned over laziness, which is what a ban wave script is tbh.
You guys have the logs, go through and ban each one at a time.

[Swish]

You don't need 500k plat to enjoy elf sim.

[Bboboo]

You don't need 500k plat to enjoy elf sim.

It only enhances it tho

[Swish]

It only enhances it tho

How so? Either because you don't want to level the classic way or you don't want to get your epic the classic way.

Is that why we're here? :p

[HalflingWarrior]

^^^

Top 3 reasons people RMT.

1) Epic MQ payment (many epics are now held for ransom)
2) PLing service payment
3) Chardok AOE payment

Remove those three things from the game, and you'll greatly reduce the perceived need to RMT.

Until then, admin really isn't serious about the matter imo.

This has been stated for years. However you may note that the individuals who permacamp all the Epic MQ pieces as well as the individuals who permacamp Chardok w AOE groups are PERSONAL FRIENDS with Sirken.

Is it not odd that the GMs can track down simple RMTs involving as little a 3,000 platinum pieces being bought, yet somehow they're unable to finger the individuals who are shoveling MILLIONS OF PLATINUM PIECES to the RMT sellers?

Hmmmmmmmm

[dealicious]

This has been stated for years. However you may note that the individuals who permacamp all the Epic MQ pieces as well as the individuals who permacamp Chardok w AOE groups are PERSONAL FRIENDS with Sirken.

Is it not odd that the GMs can track down simple RMTs involving as little a 3,000 platinum pieces being bought, yet somehow they're unable to finger the individuals who are shoveling MILLIONS OF PLATINUM PIECES to the RMT sellers?

Hmmmmmmmm

Proof or it never happened

[B4EQWASCOOL]

You don't need 500k plat to enjoy elf sim.

I regularly turn down gifts and click off high level buffs. Some of us like the struggle that starting naked and poor provides.

[Bboboo]

How so? Either because you don't want to level the classic way or you don't want to get your epic the classic way.

Is that why we're here? :p

hehe you're always on, was just a bad drug joke.

[Nicoladen]

I regularly turn down gifts and click off high level buffs. Some of us like the struggle that starting naked and poor provides.

I play naked all the way also my char is naked.

Clerics can bitch all they want. Click of buffs too because I like to struggle.

IMO I'm the best MT ever - aiming to tank AoW in Velious naked and buffless wielding a feather in main hand and a fluffy pillow in offhand.

[Swish]

hehehheeh ^

[Jfertal]

What happened to that GM durebeal ir whatever

[dafier]

I play naked all the way also my char is naked.

Clerics can bitch all they want. Click of buffs too because I like to struggle.

IMO I'm the best MT ever - aiming to tank AoW in Velious naked and buffless wielding a feather in main hand and a fluffy pillow in offhand.

If you want, I'll camp Najena for hours to get you a shovel and possibly a broom upgrade! Let me know.

[Grimjaw]

What happened to that GM durebeal ir whatever

absolute power corrupts absolutely