Enchantering in the Hole

[Daldaen]

I was under the impression you could utilize Earth Elemental Illusion to drop to threateningly and then a faction spell to drop to dubious to earth elemental mobs in the Hole.

1. Is this correct?
2. Does this stay correct after bottoming out your faction to "you can no longer get worse with brells minions"?

Anyone happen to know the answer to these two questions? The former I was planning on testing out myself shortly, the later Id like to know before I wreck the faction and can no longer stay non-KoS.

[Rayzor84]

No idea about using the faction spell line.

If you plan on crawling as a solo chanter tho, the real annoyance is the rock golem with their insane MR and ability to eat charmed elemental pets.

Using calm (and charming/fighting a couple roams that agroed around the corner), I got as far as the building with the epic turn in NPC at 58 and died. I died because 3 elementals agroed which was fine, roots and charm, but a named added soon after and kept breaking roots/pet kept breaking mezzes.

Only once I got into a situation where I agroed 2 rock golem and a rat man warrior. I was able to root the golems, but one of the golems was getting CH'd from behind a wall. I had to root and blur the golems, break and mez an add fiend and blur that as well.

Hole will definitely work your solo crawl skills, but even if u get past elementals which is easy, beware the golems as they tend to resist lulls and mezzes. I won't even try charming them.

GL

[Nightbear]

Best way to crawl the hole if you are looking to go past the ENT is drop down from the...drop down crater.

I hold "S" so my character is just walking backwards as you are falling thru the sky, just make sure Yael isn't up first, I would make a lvl 1 erudite necro and jump to check. I was able to make the fall as a lvl 1 using this tactic.

[Gurbuuk]

afaik, you re out of Yael aggro range when you land. at least it was the case 1 year ago at 60

[Man0warr]

Nah you are in range but aggro only happens every server tick so you can back up into the water before he notices you. Sometimes he doesn't see invis too.

[Daldaen]

So I did this last night. Basically I just made sure to not get any faction hits from brell mobs.

High Elf (Tunare) with Earth Elemental got me to Dubious.
Benevolence (200 vs 300 Collaboration) got me to Apprehensively

All earth elementals, mud golems and imp fiends were non-KoS. All the rats I had to invis past and all the undead I had to IVU past.

Was interesting but in the end I was able to pull Ghost of Kindle to the entrance up top and kill with the assistance of a necro/SK who were hanging out there.

I would still be curious to find out of someone who has maximum bottomed out faction there can still get to Dubious using Earth Elemental illusion. I seem to recall when I used a ball of golem clay on my druid I was Threatening, but the druid didn't have any faction spells.

[Rayzor84]

I'll try it next time I'm in the hole. I'm at max kos in there so it'll be interesting to see.

[Teneran]

I'll also try it next time I am there, I too am max kos.

I was doing a CR a while back and from memory, earth elemental illusion got me to threatens from max kos. I didn't try collaboration but I will because now I'm curious. But it's not very useful if you would have to cast it on every mob, you might as well lull.

An somewhat unrelated question. Is there any way to safely buy a key to the hole in Paineel using illusions/collaboration with an agnostic enchanter? I'm thinking not but has anyone tried it? I'm probably going to just have a level 1 alt with a key perma camped outside. I can swim in no problem with gnome illusion but others always seem to have issues, even with druid wolf form.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I'll also try it next time I am there, I too am max kos.

I was doing a CR a while back and from memory, earth elemental illusion got me to threatens from max kos. I didn't try collaboration but I will because now I'm curious. But it's not very useful if you would have to cast it on every mob, you might as well lull.

An somewhat unrelated question. Is there any way to safely buy a key to the hole in Paineel using illusions/collaboration with an agnostic enchanter? I'm thinking not but has anyone tried it? I'm probably going to just have a level 1 alt with a key perma camped outside. I can swim in no problem with gnome illusion but others always seem to have issues, even with druid wolf form.

Collaboration or any +faction spell increases faction with the entire faction for the duration of the spell so once casted, you'll have x minutes to get by.

With regards to keying for Paineel + hole:

Charm skele guard, ask for keyz = Paineel key

Illusion: skeleton and you should be able to get to apprehensive to purchase hole key. If you've screwed up your faction and are dubious you may need to collaborate.

Alternatively, if you're not an enchanter and still want to try and get the key to the hole, a large number of agnostic/general race classes can have a necromancer cast spell:ignite bones on them and purchase the key during the 18 second skele illusion.

Iirc wolf form doesn't work

[BurnMage]

I've been spending a lot of time in there and finally checked it out and found my forum login. Illusion: Earth Elemental and level 20 Benevolence spell (200 fac adj) still leaves me at threatening. Pretty close to dinging 51, it's 300 adjusted faction, maybe that'll put me over to dubious.

I was hoping I could roam a bit to explore, I have an urge to crawl around and explore more in the hole than just the entrance but I don't want to be suicidal about it, if I can look around without agro for some parts that'd be sweet.

Was duoing with a 53 Nec and was hoping we could perhaps duo the undead tower but I spoke to someone who had been in there and said it would be too tough until 58-60. If anyone has some pointers on useful camps or xp spots in there let me know!

I also tried making a level 1 and dropping down into Yael's room but no matter what as soon as I zoned if I held down move backwards I'd still fall straight down and crater. There some trick to that, or does that not work on p99?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I've been spending a lot of time in there and finally checked it out and found my forum login. Illusion: Earth Elemental and level 20 Benevolence spell (200 fac adj) still leaves me at threatening. Pretty close to dinging 51, it's 300 adjusted faction, maybe that'll put me over to dubious.

I was hoping I could roam a bit to explore, I have an urge to crawl around and explore more in the hole than just the entrance but I don't want to be suicidal about it, if I can look around without agro for some parts that'd be sweet.

Was duoing with a 53 Nec and was hoping we could perhaps duo the undead tower but I spoke to someone who had been in there and said it would be too tough until 58-60. If anyone has some pointers on useful camps or xp spots in there let me know!

I also tried making a level 1 and dropping down into Yael's room but no matter what as soon as I zoned if I held down move backwards I'd still fall straight down and crater. There some trick to that, or does that not work on p99?

Scroll your fps to 100 and do the fall.

I usually only take 1 fall damage.

[Grombar]

Is the Hafling rogue to Brell non KOS to the elementals and golems on p99? they were not KOS on live. used them for CRs all the time.

[BurnMage]

Is the Hafling rogue to Brell non KOS to the elementals and golems on p99? they were not KOS on live. used them for CRs all the time.
I guess someone will chime in authoritatively, but I would guess you're not KoS. I saw a naked halfling repeatedly run down the hall with no agro there yesterday, I bet he was non KoS and dragging corpses.

[BurnMage]

Scroll your fps to 100 and do the fall.

I usually only take 1 fall damage.
Awesome! I will give that a shot.

[williestargell]

halflings and dwarves that worship brell are non-kos to elementals and golems, they will be kos to undead and ratmen.

brell halfling can go anywhere in the hole with hide/sneak

[Qtip]

Instead of dropping down, just calm each mob on way down to the drop off. If u catch aggro just mez and mem blur. Once your at castle just calm the 2 entrance elementals and you can invis/ivu the rest of the way through.
I keep a lvl 1 erudite parked to open door for group members. On red I did 48-55 at castle ent and everytime a new person came I would gate up and bring them down no problem. Just remember... You dont need lns to calm so it is pretty much cake to get through and zone/camp.

[Teneran]

Collaboration or any +faction spell increases faction with the entire faction for the duration of the spell so once casted, you'll have x minutes to get by.

With regards to keying for Paineel + hole:

Charm skele guard, ask for keyz = Paineel key

Illusion: skeleton and you should be able to get to apprehensive to purchase hole key. If you've screwed up your faction and are dubious you may need to collaborate.

Alternatively, if you're not an enchanter and still want to try and get the key to the hole, a large number of agnostic/general race classes can have a necromancer cast spell:ignite bones on them and purchase the key during the 18 second skele illusion.

Iirc wolf form doesn't work

I really appreciate your correction here on collaboration, I obviously misunderstood how this whole spell line worked.

I'll take your advice and pickup a key to Paineel and The Hole this week, will be easier than having it on an alt.

[Hoodwink]

with bottomed out faction my agnostic dark elf was still conning threateningly with illusion: earth elemental and collaboration

[Daldaen]

So moral of the story is don't screw up faction on enchanter if at all possible.