Velzira Petition Clarification

[kildone]

I was going to keep my mouth shut because I was not sure if I could say anything, but Sirken said I could post so here it is. Below I will show my petition but first let me explain.

I spent 4.5 hours one day getting Hadden timer. I spent the next few days bound at his spawn and tried to get lucky. Most times I made sure to show up first and people would show up and kill him. One guy showed up and taunted me about my guild and shouted that he didn't care who got the kill as long as Curse %$@!# did not.

Because of level restrictions PvP for the camp is not an option. In my mind, a higher level should be able to show up, kill me and take the mob. Fine. I personally am against PnP and level restrictions, as I have posted here multiple times, but if there are rules everyone should follow them. So I read the PnP policy, both for Red and Blue and questioned the GM's through a petition on how this is supposed to work.

BTW Velzira you complain that in this one case, you were the first one there. I had bought the FB earring from you because after multiple days of frustration I gave up. The next day I decided to try again. I was there first and you showed up, said Hi Ridez =D and tried to take the kill even though I was there first. There was also two others there before you. Some druid, who shall remain nameless, took it first, but don't tell me you didn't try to take it as well.

After reading the rules which state nothing about holding a camp on long timer mobs with no PH, and knowing that showing up first meant nothing to people here, I decided to start gating in right before the timer. I got first engage which also seemed to mean nothing to people here. So I petitioned to ask for rules clarification, not to get you banned or punished or to get the FB earring which I feel I deserved based on the rules.

[Widan]

I decided to start gating in right before the timer..

So when you gated in was he or was he not already at the spawn? If he was then you are in the wrong here, not him.

[kildone]

Here is my petition with a few names and unrelated OOC removed:

Wondering how kill stealing fits in. The rules state that first to engage should be applied, except on red a person should attempt to kill via PvP first.

So while I am trying to get Hadden for fishbone earring, higher levels stole my kills twice today. They should have killed me first going by the rules, but because of level range they could not.

So should I have rights to the kill based on FTE or is this rule not stated to my understanding under the PnP?

This morning at the 9am spawn it was xxxx who took the kill after I achieved FTE with Flame Lick. At the 9pm spawn it was Velzira.

Please let me know, thank you.

*** Not part of petition but Velzira was not in zone before me or Tenderly ****

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:02 2015] Velzira raises an eyebrow at Tenderly.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Targeted (NPC): Hadden
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Right click on the NPC to consider him.

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] You begin casting Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden says, 'Ah.. Though you appear so puny, I'm sure your flesh will make good bait!'
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden is surrounded by flickering flames.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] You have become better at Evocation! (142)
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] Hadden has taken 2 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden was hit by non-melee for 182 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden's skin combusts.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:20 2015] Hadden has taken 3 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:21 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Velzira regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with AntoniusBayle got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CircleofUnseenHands got better.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CoalitionofTradeFolk got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with GuardsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with MerchantsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Hadden says 'Arrrhhh.. The Merchants of Qeynos.. are many.. and powerful.. ..you won't get away.. with.. this.. hor.. orr.. rible.. .. ..'

[kildone]

So when you gated in was he or was he not already at the spawn? If he was then you are in the wrong here, not him.

That time he was there first, another time I was there first. He cant have it both ways.

I was never in the wrong, I either had kill rights or I did not. My petition was to ask for rules clarification.

[kildone]

From Red99 PnP

All of the rules stated in the Project 1999 Play Nice Policy still apply to Project 1999 Red PvP, with the following exceptions:

Please note that this means that kill stealing is still against the rules on Project 1999 Red. If you wish to steal someones kill, it is recommended you kill the player first and then kill their mob.

From Main PnP:
1. You may not steal kills.

Kill Stealing is defined as the killing of an NPC for any reason that is already fighting or pursuing another player or group that is prepared to engage that same NPC without that group's specific permission.

The intent of this rule is discourage and make note of habitual Kill Stealers, not to punish those who honestly try to work together or those who make an honest mistake. Its enforcement by the Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will reflect this philosophy.

[kildone]

Let me also clarify one last time with short and sweet statements.

I would prefer no level limits and no PnP. However, if there are rules here, everyone should follow them.

I wanted a rule clarification, so that next time I could talk to the other players in an educated manner.

Again, read my petition, I asked for clarification not for punishment or recompense.

Which, BTW I did not receive. I am still left wondering:

Is a spawn like Hadden a camp? Is a spawn like Hadden FTE? Or are you just shit out of luck if somebody can out damage you?

[Widan]

The rules state that first to engage should be applied


No they don't


So should I have rights to the kill based on FTE or is this rule not stated to my understanding under the PnP?


You only have rights to the kill if you were there before the other player.

Your entire petition is based on incorrect assumptions because FTE is not how static spawns are contested.

*** Not part of petition but Velzira was not in zone before me or Tenderly ****
That time he was there first

Well, which one is it? You are contradicting yourself

I either had kill rights or I did not.

You did not have kill rights if he was there first


Is a spawn like Hadden a camp? Is a spawn like Hadden FTE? Or are you just shit out of luck if somebody can out damage you?

It is a camp. See: how Tranix is still considered a camp and not FTE. Whether mobs with long spawn timers should or should not be considered campable is a different story, but as of now they are, so FTE is meaningless.

As far as I can tell from your post you tried to killsteal this guy by engaging first and then petitioned and got him suspended when you failed which is super scummy.

[heartbrand]

Aren't fishbone earrings like 100pp? Is this how u spend ur time in elf sim?

[Ohno]

Sounds like you should have petitioned him the first time instead of doing a revenge petition the second. If it were not him that took your kill; you'd be a legit jerk for getting someone innocent banned.

As it stands (if we take you at your word) you got someone banned innocent of the crime you petitioned then for because you didn't understand the rules the first time... which is on you.

[kildone]

Let me try a shorter sentence. I petitioned for a clarification to the rules. Period.

If that makes me a bad person so be it.

[Widan]

No, you obviously did not, otherwise you could have left out names and combat logs, while you conveniently left out the part that he was at the camp before you. At least this post is a great example of the petitionquest this server has become so people know to avoid playing here.

[Grizzler]

I petitioned for a clarification to the rules. Period.

Not to stir the pot but, I can read this perfectly well..

[kildone]

No they don't



You only have rights to the kill if you were there before the other player.

Your entire petition is based on incorrect assumptions because FTE is not how static spawns are contested.




Well, which one is it? You are contradicting yourself



You did not have kill rights if he was there first



It is a camp. See: how Tranix is still considered a camp and not FTE. Whether mobs with long spawn timers should or should not be considered campable is a different story, but as of now they are, so FTE is meaningless.

As far as I can tell from your post you tried to killsteal this guy by engaging first and then petitioned and got him suspended when you failed which is super scummy.

First of all I petitioned for rules clarification. Not for punishment.

Second I had both cases. Once I was there first and once I was not. I petitioned for clarification giving an example to either hear I was correct or I was not.

Third I read the rules wrong, in your opinion, which I could agree with. But please show me with a quote from PnP where it says a static mob is a camp as opposed to a mob with PH(s) such as AC which is FTE. That's what I wanted from my petition, clarification from staff. So that next time I had a camp I could tell other players who showed up and ignored or taunted me that I held the camp and they had to kill me to take the camp.

If that's a scummy move, so be it.

Lastly to bring up tranix as a camp is laughable. To think a group of 50 will not have it stolen by lvl 60? Nobody in their right mind, who has any recent experience with Tranix would honestly believe that. Maybe you are just saying those 60 who steal the mob should be petitioned?

[Tassador]

Aren't fishbone earrings like 100pp? Is this how u spend ur time in elf sim?

Lol I thought the same shit.

[kildone]

Aren't fishbone earrings like 100pp? Is this how u spend ur time in elf sim?

If people sell for 100 I would gladly buy two more. The cheapest I have seen is 1k and could only afford one.

I want to sit at Hadden, sow and skin low levels, and practice guitar. Seems like a good way to get items I want to use.

[kildone]

No, you obviously did not, otherwise you could have left out names and combat logs, while you conveniently left out the part that he was at the camp before you. At least this post is a great example of the petitionquest this server has become so people know to avoid playing here.

Question Wondering how kill stealing fits in...
Question I had rights based on first to engage...

Example of FTE combat logs to have my questions fully understood.

I am saying nothing of the policy that seems to be to ban first and ask questions later. It seems to me that Velzira could have petitioned that he was there first and had ban removed. Then I would have been told this mob is a camp. Everyone is happy.

[kildone]

Not to stir the pot but, I can read this perfectly well..

That's cool. Some people obviously can not. Hence the reason for my post.

[kildone]

Let me restate another way

My petition is a question of kill stealing based on FTE which is the opposite of a camp.
Sirken posted a report showing I was FTE.
Velzira was banned.

In what way does this demonstrate a rule that Hadden is a camp mob rather than FTE?

[Widan]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299


That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. It should also be noted that if you camp out or leave the zone, you have forfeited a camp. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.


Here's a post about static mobs
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1343932&postcount=13

That being said, you can camp pretty much anything on P99 as long as it's a static spawn.


Here's a post about non static mobs
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1483358&postcount=5

If it moves in a open zone it's a fair game and not a camp.


Also there was this thread called Camps, Defined which got deleted I guess because they didn't want to have to define every camp in the game. They should probably bring something like this back though, because it clears up a lot of dumb rules lawyering.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130921003850/http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653


2. Just because you know the timer a mob's spawn does NOT mean you are entitled to the camp. Examples include Ishva mal, Estrella, and Undertow. I have seen too many threads about ishva mal in particular where there is a person there at the camp and someone comes and either KS's the spawn or charms the mob to bring it somewhere else etc claiming it was theirs due to it being on timer. If you are trying to timer a spawn and you arrive and someone else is there, too bad, you should have been there earlier.



In all of this no one ever mentions FTE one time on static mobs. It is beyond me why you would think FTE would give you claim to any static mob in the game.

[Genedin]

I honestly don't think anyone cares or knows who you are man. Would just keep exping and making pals not worrying about airing of grievances around the r99 festivus pole you know?

[kildone]

Thank you Wildan that clears up the term static for me. It seems simple when said static vs moving rather than static as is on a timer vs random with ph.

The paragraph you highlight mentions killing placeholders being a camp as opposed to having a mob spawn every time. That combined with the term "can not kill while a mob is engaged or actively pursuing a player" is what caused the confusion.

It seems more clear now. I still don't understand why the ruling seems to have been based on a report showing I was first to engage. Still don't understand how Velzira had a conversation in a petition but it was closed without him being unbanned.

I will take this information and go back to what I was originally doing for this type of mob. Play guitar, hand out buffs to those who ask and wait for someone to either kill me or respect my right to the camp.

[kildone]

I honestly don't think anyone cares or knows who you are man. Would just keep exping and making pals not worrying about airing of grievances around the r99 festivus pole you know?

I posted because sirken posted my name and because I felt bad if someone got banned and they did not deserve it

I would have posted on velziras thread but I thought it was against the rules to publicly talk about petitions and gm rulings. Sirken said I could post if I wanted to.

My hope is that if the ban is unfair it will be removed.

For those who don't care, they don't have to read or post.

[Rednaros]

Jesus go back to fucking blue with this petitionquest

[kildone]

Jesus go back to fucking blue with this petitionquest

Start a movement to remove PnP and or level limits and I will gladly join said movement. If there are rules then follow them, ignore my posts, or find a different emu. I have as much right to be here as you.

Hopefully my posting will cause players such as you to seek me out for PvP . In which case I'm very happy. I can't find that on blue.

[Heebo]

Nominated for bluest thread of the year.

[Sektor]

Stop wasting the CSR staffs time with these stupid petitions.

[Rednaros]

Stop wasting the CSR staffs time with these stupid petitions.

Agreed, to many people getting suspended for stupid stuff

[Ohno]

These kind of petitions hurt the community. You petitioned to understand the rules? Really? You could ask on the forums......

[Rararboker]

So basically the other guys was telling the truth in his thread and was unfairly banned.

Wow.

[pegleg]

In my opinion you were justified Ridez. If he tried to take the mob before when you were the first at the camp, then its bullshit that once hes first there he expects you not to try and take his.

[Wrench]

In my opinion you were justified Ridez. If he tried to take the mob before when you were the first at the camp, then its bullshit that once hes first there he expects you not to try and take his.

good point

if true it makes him look pretty bad for coming and crying to the forums

[lolondar]

hmm just thought i a lowly bluebie would wiegh in here feel free to make fun if im reading this correctly your not saying BANNN HER HARDER your trying to clarify rules on a spawn which seems correct to me. also having not read the rules for the PvP server you seem to be doing the right thing! so keep it up sorry wont be able to chase me down and kill me cause i dont like the pvp shite on EQ but have a nice day and keep trying to do right

[WesSide]

<--- Still thinks Curse sucks balls! I will kill them on sight. Can't wait for you to level up Ridez!

[Veltira]

I posted because sirken posted my name and because I felt bad if someone got banned and they did not deserve it

I would have posted on velziras thread but I thought it was against the rules to publicly talk about petitions and gm rulings. Sirken said I could post if I wanted to.

My hope is that if the ban is unfair it will be removed.

For those who don't care, they don't have to read or post.

Dude... I'm rich enough that a 800pp earring is not a big deal to me. If you needed it that badly, or felt like I was so unjust in my treatment with you, why didn't you send me a message? Why didn't you contact me and hash it out? I had no intention of KS'ing you. I have no idea who you even are. You turned this into some vendetta and petition-fished me into a ban. I'm a nice person, I'm incredibly generous for a red player because early on in my time on red i was taken under wing and helped. This server needs more of that. Contacting Gm's over this stuff to get someone banned is beyond me man, this was a minor incident but because you got upset i'm now banned for a week. Thanks friend.

If this earring is that important to you I will GIVE you one the second i'm unbanned and I'll even post a screenshot of me doing it here in this thread for proof. I don't care about your loot, or your drama, I want to get back to playing the game I love.

[kildone]

Dude... I'm rich enough that a 800pp earring is not a big deal to me. If you needed it that badly, or felt like I was so unjust in my treatment with you, why didn't you send me a message? Why didn't you contact me and hash it out? I had no intention of KS'ing you. I have no idea who you even are. You turned this into some vendetta and petition-fished me into a ban. I'm a nice person, I'm incredibly generous for a red player because early on in my time on red i was taken under wing and helped. This server needs more of that. Contacting Gm's over this stuff to get someone banned is beyond me man, this was a minor incident but because you got upset i'm now banned for a week. Thanks friend.

If this earring is that important to you I will GIVE you one the second i'm unbanned and I'll even post a screenshot of me doing it here in this thread for proof. I don't care about your loot, or your drama, I want to get back to playing the game I love.

I posted in the petition forum in the spirit of 'hey as I understand the rules multiple people have stolen a kill am I right or wrong?' You just happened to be in the example.

If proven right, in the future, I would send a tell to people knowing I was right then maybe petition in the spirit this person should be punished and maybe I should get the loot.

It still seems to me that I was right based on GM actions and the report that based your ban on me being FTE and that is the opposite of being at camp first.
I have asked in OOC about the rules and have gotten for answer:

There are no rules
Static mobs are camps
Go play blue
Stfu
And worse

I have had conversations with some players and had quite toxic feedback. I have learned to keep my mouth shut. Someone in your guild harassed me in shout about my guild and they would let anybody but curse have the kill. I have had guild encounters with yours regarding other mobs where talking did not seem a viable solution. So I did not approach you first I judged you by your actions which was that whether you were there first or not you would try to take the kill. I felt I had exhausted the communication route when it comes to dealing with your guild members.

If I want to question the staff in the only way I know how that is between the staff and I and no business if anyone else. They could have told me I was wasting their time and take a different route to answer my question.

If they decide to ban you based on my question oriented petition then that is between the staff and yourself and none of my business.

Please note that I did post this thread because I feel bad if you were banned in error and to hopefully get further clarification on the rules.

I could have just kept my mouth shut and petitioned the next guy who takes a mob when I am first to engage.

To all those others who have posted their opinions, I appreciate it, but until a staff member posts then they are just that, opinions. A staff member can either
Tell me or post here that my petition was badly worded and I am actually in the wrong
Clarify in exact terms the PnP policy on kill stealing - I guess I'm stupid if I am the only one confused
Revoke PnP
Or other options I can't think of

Until then I am left with no other alternative than to believe that I was correct in my interpretation and followed the correct course of action.

[Veltira]

If they decide to ban you based on my question oriented petition then that is between the staff and yourself and none of my business.


Which is why you made this thread, in a public place. I tried to find a middle ground with you here, i even offered you the item back. As for people hurting your feelings in /shout how do i have any control over that? You've done a great job of both screwing me over and making a bad reputation for yourself with this. If you truly wanted clarification you would have come to the forums and used the petition there; instead you have some personal problem with me. What sucks the most is that you truly think you are right and that i'm some bitch who deserved banning. Instead you helped drive a good player from your ranks over a 800pp earring. Sad man.

[Rednaros]

Pretty sure FTE doesnt mean jack shit on Red unless its a mob with multiple PHs across the zone. If the players are out of range then it goes by who was there first, so infact you should be punoshed for trying to KS his mob but failing...

[SamwiseRed]

I spent 4.5 hours one day getting Hadden timer.

lol

[Colgate]

this thread/issue is very dumb

guy could have easily asked in /ooc, asked on the forums, or asked in a petition in such a way that didn't compile evidence against a certain player while saying "LOOK AT WHAT HE DID TO ME IS THIS ALLOWED?" even though the player crying was clearly in the wrong

[Rednaros]

So let me just make sure im understanding this...i dont want to argue with false information
Veltira was at the camp before you, but you engaged the mob first despite not being the person holding the camp, didnt get the kill, and so you petitioned him and got him banned for killing a mob he was camping?
Edit: ive gone back in the thread and you contradict yourself many times on your view on who was there first...which is it?

[kildone]

Which is why you made this thread, in a public place. I tried to find a middle ground with you here, i even offered you the item back. As for people hurting your feelings in /shout how do i have any control over that? You've done a great job of both screwing me over and making a bad reputation for yourself with this. If you truly wanted clarification you would have come to the forums and used the petition there; instead you have some personal problem with me. What sucks the most is that you truly think you are right and that i'm some bitch who deserved banning. Instead you helped drive a good player from your ranks over a 800pp earring. Sad man.

Hey you brought it public first, then Sirken posted my name. Don't blame me for airing your dirty laundry, it was already out there. I was just adding my side of the story.

Nobody hurt my feelings in shout, I never said that. I just said that a guildmate of yours added one more piece of evidence that talking to members of your guild does not solve problems.

Colgate is the only guy I ever had a civilized conversation with to date. Just because of that I did not feel it would benefit me to go to your guild leadership before I knew what the rules are. Maybe I would have afterwards, but to day I am only making assumptions, the staff never answered me directly. They only implied saying "Sorry, this has been taken care of"

Don't forget, that during a previous spawn, you did not respect anyone else who had that camp first when you showed up and tried to take the kill. There were two people other than me there.

Just because you happened to be first that one occasion does not mean squat in this.

Don't try to make me feel sorry for what the GMs did, based on your actions. Don't try to tell me that I should show up first and beg you not to take my camp. Or ask you afterwards for charity.

[Madbad]

They should just stop answering petitions unless they are for stuck toons, item poofing and rotted corpses.

[Samaritan]

Farming 1Kpp items = super serious petitionquest business.

https://travistation.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/david-hasselhoff-as-michael-knight-in-knightrider-thumbs-up-263w_350h.jpg

[kildone]

So let me just make sure im understanding this...i dont want to argue with false information
Veltira was at the camp before you, but you engaged the mob first despite not being the person holding the camp, didnt get the kill, and so you petitioned him and got him banned for killing a mob he was camping?
Edit: ive gone back in the thread and you contradict yourself many times on your view on who was there first...which is it?

Once I was there first, he showed up and didn't care that there were a total of three others there before him. Nobody invis, clearly after Hadden, nothing else is there to camp.

I went and read the PnP which I think implies FTE for mobs without PH to keep cleared. Maybe Im wrong, fine, staff could have told me so in my petition.

Based on that info and knowing that people did not respect a typical camp of hadden I tried to take the mob by FTE.

I petitioned "Hey I got my kill stolen twice by two different people. Name A which I wont reveal here and Name B" I base tis claim on FTE. Do I understand the rules or am I mistaken, please let me know...

Here is a log of the latest example ...

Then I get a reply "Sorry this has been taken care of"
Veltira posts a thread he was banned
Sirken posts my name in a report that shows I was FTE

I follow up with my side of the story in hope I can learn the rules for future reference and to get Veltiras ban lifted if it was unjust.

[kildone]

Farming 1Kpp items = super serious petitionquest business.

https://travistation.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/david-hasselhoff-as-michael-knight-in-knightrider-thumbs-up-263w_350h.jpg

Learning the rules for future reference on items that cost much more seems like a wise course of action to me.

[Veltira]

Hey you brought it public first, then Sirken posted my name. Don't blame me for airing your dirty laundry, it was already out there. I was just adding my side of the story.

Nobody hurt my feelings in shout, I never said that. I just said that a guildmate of yours added one more piece of evidence that talking to members of your guild does not solve problems.

Colgate is the only guy I ever had a civilized conversation with to date. Just because of that I did not feel it would benefit me to go to your guild leadership before I knew what the rules are. Maybe I would have afterwards, but to day I am only making assumptions, the staff never answered me directly. They only implied saying "Sorry, this has been taken care of"

Don't forget, that during a previous spawn, you did not respect anyone else who had that camp first when you showed up and tried to take the kill. There were two people other than me there.

Just because you happened to be first that one occasion does not mean squat in this.

Don't try to make me feel sorry for what the GMs did, based on your actions. Don't try to tell me that I should show up first and beg you not to take my camp. Or ask you afterwards for charity.


Let's take this line by line. You are judging me based on what someone from my guild (the largest and bestest guild) said to you when I wasn't even online. This is ridiculous. Colgate is one of two reasons I came to Holo, it seems that you share a mutual admiration for his skills. You state that you've had conversations with him that are positive. So for you to say that you have an open line to communicate with Holo leadership but didn't use it feeling that you would get an unfair response is circular logic. Colgate is a lot of things: Best duelist on the server, two time BotB champ, etc. One thing he's not is unreasonable; you chose to go to a petition because you were upset. End of story. Now as for the previous spawn that i stole from you, this never happened. My only interaction with you prior to this incident was selling you a fishbone earring days ago and I was nothing but courteous.

I'm done arguing with you man, i've apologized for the misunderstanding, i've offered you the item back; what more could i possibly do to remedy this situation. You took your feelings out on someone unjustly and now you are reaping the consequences because you came to the red forums; a place where bullshit is sniffed out from moment one.

[Rednaros]

The simple fact that Veltira was banned because you got the FTE on a mob camped by 3+ people is ridiculous
is this red or blue?

[kildone]

Let's take this line by line. You are judging me based on what someone from my guild (the largest and bestest guild) said to you when I wasn't even online. This is ridiculous. Colgate is one of two reasons I came to Holo, it seems that you share a mutual admiration for his skills. You state that you've had conversations with him that are positive. So for you to say that you have an open line to communicate with Holo leadership but didn't use it feeling that you would get an unfair response is circular logic. Colgate is a lot of things: Best duelist on the server, two time BotB champ, etc. One thing he's not is unreasonable; you chose to go to a petition because you were upset. End of story. Now as for the previous spawn that i stole from you, this never happened. My only interaction with you prior to this incident was selling you a fishbone earring days ago and I was nothing but courteous.

I'm done arguing with you man, i've apologized for the misunderstanding, i've offered you the item back; what more could i possibly do to remedy this situation. You took your feelings out on someone unjustly and now you are reaping the consequences because you came to the red forums; a place where bullshit is sniffed out from moment one.

I am done as well, I cant seem to get my point across. This will be my last post on the topic.

First, what I said is that interactions with your guild have led me to believe that trying to talk things out is not viable. I know nothing of Colgates skills but he was the only member of your guild I have been able to have a civilized conversation with.

Secondly, I said that I would have possibly approached your guild leadership if the staff has answered my questions by saying that I was correct.

Third, I never asked for anyone to be punished. I asked if I understood correctly. My petition starts with 'I wonder...' It ends '...do I not understand correctly'

Fourth I appreciate your apology and offer for the earring. But that should only be based on the fact that I am correct and everyone else who posted here is wrong about the PnP rules. If that's not the case then there is no need to apologize or offer a free earring.

ps You sold me an 800pp earring the day before for 1K? Damn Im a sucker.

[fred schnarf]

I was going to keep my mouth shut because I was not sure if I could say anything, but Sirken said I could post so here it is. Below I will show my petition but first let me explain.

I spent 4.5 hours one day getting Hadden timer. I spent the next few days bound at his spawn and tried to get lucky. Most times I made sure to show up first and people would show up and kill him. One guy showed up and taunted me about my guild and shouted that he didn't care who got the kill as long as Curse %$@!# did not.

Because of level restrictions PvP for the camp is not an option. In my mind, a higher level should be able to show up, kill me and take the mob. Fine. I personally am against PnP and level restrictions, as I have posted here multiple times, but if there are rules everyone should follow them. So I read the PnP policy, both for Red and Blue and questioned the GM's through a petition on how this is supposed to work.

BTW Velzira you complain that in this one case, you were the first one there. I had bought the FB earring from you because after multiple days of frustration I gave up. The next day I decided to try again. I was there first and you showed up, said Hi Ridez =D and tried to take the kill even though I was there first. There was also two others there before you. Some druid, who shall remain nameless, took it first, but don't tell me you didn't try to take it as well.

After reading the rules which state nothing about holding a camp on long timer mobs with no PH, and knowing that showing up first meant nothing to people here, I decided to start gating in right before the timer. I got first engage which also seemed to mean nothing to people here. So I petitioned to ask for rules clarification, not to get you banned or punished or to get the FB earring which I feel I deserved based on the rules.

not another sentence was read

[erog84]

The simple fact that Veltira was banned because you got the FTE on a mob camped by 3+ people is ridiculous
is this red or blue?

This. The fact that the petitioner shows what proof he has, and it backs up Veltira, who was still banned somehow, just boggles my mind. AFK while I make up petitions on all the people I don't like to get them banned.

[Grizzler]

This. The fact that the petitioner shows what proof he has, and it backs up Veltira, who was still banned somehow, just boggles my mind. AFK while I make up petitions on all the people I don't like to get them banned.

Quick question, how can someone get banned without GM approval of the Ban? I mean, if it wasn't a ban-able offense, wouldn't the GM's told the OP to pound sand or is there something I am missing?

[Veltira]

Quick question, how can someone get banned without GM approval of the Ban? I mean, if it wasn't a ban-able offense, wouldn't the GM's told the OP to pound sand or is there something I am missing?

GM's are so much more busy than you can imagine. Go look at how many petitions there are in one weeks time on the petition forum count. It's very possible that a GM was told i ks'ed, looked at the log and saw that Rydez did in fact FTE (by like 3 milliseconds) and was too busy to do a thorough investigation. A lot of times Sirken will just ban someone with even a little proof because that person knows what they did was wrong and wont appeal, thus shortening the amount of time that petition took. I think that this was an unfortunate accident. That being said, Rydez seems absolutely content on the fact that he was first in zone. When he proves this he has a case and is in the right I suppose. What I know is that I had the spawn timer written down on my desk and logged in some 20 minutes before the spawn window. I generally camp in surefall for this so as I zoned into QH I did a /who and it returned myself and a level 7. Not sure how much more I could have done to know i was the first to the camp.

TLDR: Not a GM's fault, who wants to spend even more time on a dumb petition.

[Lev_Mer]

From what I understand,

- OP was not present at spawn but gated in on timer

- Either someone was there or not.

- First to Engage is the rule being used here not camp lists

- The other players could not PvP therefore ??

a) the person present at the spawn longest PHSYICALLY THERE should get it
or b) you have to kill the person you are sniping the camp from


TLDR:

Veltira was camping the mob, OP gated in on timer and got the first hit. Neither could PVP a solution. Sounds like the gater tried to steal the kill and veltira won the damage contest, and is therefore innocent.

Was Veltira there when you gated in to the camp? if so, i say OP tried to KS by not being present and not being in PVP range.

Gated in and tried to snipe the camp? and failed? STFU, no bans here or petitions. Otherwise explain urself better.

[syzygyst]

An ocean of lame

[WesSide]

Hollowpoint Hollowpoint! It was Hollowpoint. I see your always looking for pvp, but your like level 20 so whats the point. Sack up, level and we can handle it like big boys. The Curse is full of special needs EQ players and I will take advantage of all of you. You will remember the name from now on.

[BardPop]

I can see both sides here, one the one hand velzira had the camp first, but on the other hand it was a "special" spawn instead of a standard 20min timer with a set ph that spawns a named. For the same reason you can't camp check say, quillmane. Imo its open to interpretation about who should have the camp. How bout a gm lays down the law and picks one or the other as right and ends the discussion once and for all

[Sancta]

It's pretty simple, the first person at Hadden spawn gets the loot rights to the camp. If it gets stolen by someone that came after the first person, they can get punished according to the rules of the server since PvP was not an option.

[Veltira]

I was unbanned a few minutes ago, it was just a crazy situation that ended up resolving itself. I am not sure who should be held at "fault" for this but heres one thing i do know: Sirken is a really good GM. He went throught he logs, took the time to do a real investigation, and showed me exactly what happened and when. He exonerated me and lifted my ban and honestly I couldn't ask for better service.

Sirken for Red GM 4 Lyfe (except when pvp teams comes out, then we want him there instead!)

[kildone]

I was unbanned a few minutes ago, it was just a crazy situation that ended up resolving itself. I am not sure who should be held at "fault" for this but heres one thing i do know: Sirken is a really good GM. He went throught he logs, took the time to do a real investigation, and showed me exactly what happened and when. He exonerated me and lifted my ban and honestly I couldn't ask for better service.

Sirken for Red GM 4 Lyfe (except when pvp teams comes out, then we want him there instead!)

I am glad you got unbanned. I now fully understand the rules. However I did not lie to a GM or try to get you banned. See below and state where I petitioned that I was there first. Cant do it?

Here is my petition with a few names and unrelated OOC removed:

Wondering how kill stealing fits in. The rules state that first to engage should be applied, except on red a person should attempt to kill via PvP first.

So while I am trying to get Hadden for fishbone earring, higher levels stole my kills twice today. They should have killed me first going by the rules, but because of level range they could not.

So should I have rights to the kill based on FTE or is this rule not stated to my understanding under the PnP?

This morning at the 9am spawn it was xxxx who took the kill after I achieved FTE with Flame Lick. At the 9pm spawn it was Velzira.

Please let me know, thank you.

*** Not part of petition but Velzira was not in zone before me or Tenderly ****

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:02 2015] Velzira raises an eyebrow at Tenderly.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Targeted (NPC): Hadden
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Right click on the NPC to consider him.

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] You begin casting Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden says, 'Ah.. Though you appear so puny, I'm sure your flesh will make good bait!'
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden is surrounded by flickering flames.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] You have become better at Evocation! (142)
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] Hadden has taken 2 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden was hit by non-melee for 182 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden's skin combusts.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:20 2015] Hadden has taken 3 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:21 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Velzira regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with AntoniusBayle got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CircleofUnseenHands got better.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CoalitionofTradeFolk got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with GuardsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with MerchantsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Hadden says 'Arrrhhh.. The Merchants of Qeynos.. are many.. and powerful.. ..you won't get away.. with.. this.. hor.. orr.. rible.. .. ..'

[kildone]

You can kill me and your whole guild can hunt me down Im happy for that. Thats why I only role or anon when a group asks me to. If people want to just mez me forever, that's no fun so be it.

[Veltira]

Jeez dude let it go..

[kildone]

Ok so I lied on the forums? Lets take a look:

BTW Velzira you complain that in this one case, you were the first one there. I had bought the FB earring from you because after multiple days of frustration I gave up. The next day I decided to try again. I was there first and you showed up, said Hi Ridez =D and tried to take the kill even though I was there first. There was also two others there before you. Some druid, who shall remain nameless, took it first, but don't tell me you didn't try to take it as well.

I did not say I petitioned the above, but it did happen previously. I wont speak for others but they were there too.


After reading the rules which state nothing about holding a camp on long timer mobs with no PH, and knowing that showing up first meant nothing to people here, I decided to start gating in right before the timer. I got first engage which also seemed to mean nothing to people here. So I petitioned to ask for rules clarification, not to get you banned or punished or to get the FB earring which I feel I deserved based on the rules.

Oh look I admit to you being there first but I thought FTE was the rule, again see my petition... Oh see here is where I say I petitioned...


First of all I petitioned for rules clarification. Not for punishment.

Second I had both cases. Once I was there first and once I was not. I petitioned for clarification giving an example to either hear I was correct or I was not.
Third I read the rules wrong, in your opinion, which I could agree with. But please show me with a quote from PnP where it says a static mob is a camp as opposed to a mob with PH(s) such as AC which is FTE. That's what I wanted from my petition, clarification from staff. So that next time I had a camp I could tell other players who showed up and ignored or taunted me that I held the camp and they had to kill me to take the camp.

If that's a scummy move, so be it.

Lastly to bring up tranix as a camp is laughable. To think a group of 50 will not have it stolen by lvl 60? Nobody in their right mind, who has any recent experience with Tranix would honestly believe that. Maybe you are just saying those 60 who steal the mob should be petitioned?

Oh look I said it again

Hey you brought it public first, then Sirken posted my name. Don't blame me for airing your dirty laundry, it was already out there. I was just adding my side of the story.

Nobody hurt my feelings in shout, I never said that. I just said that a guildmate of yours added one more piece of evidence that talking to members of your guild does not solve problems.

Colgate is the only guy I ever had a civilized conversation with to date. Just because of that I did not feel it would benefit me to go to your guild leadership before I knew what the rules are. Maybe I would have afterwards, but to day I am only making assumptions, the staff never answered me directly. They only implied saying "Sorry, this has been taken care of"

Don't forget, that during a previous spawn, you did not respect anyone else who had that camp first when you showed up and tried to take the kill. There were two people other than me there.
Just because you happened to be first that one occasion does not mean squat in this.

Don't try to make me feel sorry for what the GMs did, based on your actions. Don't try to tell me that I should show up first and beg you not to take my camp. Or ask you afterwards for charity.

And I said it again...

Once I was there first, he showed up and didn't care that there were a total of three others there before him. Nobody invis, clearly after Hadden, nothing else is there to camp.

I went and read the PnP which I think implies FTE for mobs without PH to keep cleared. Maybe Im wrong, fine, staff could have told me so in my petition.

Based on that info and knowing that people did not respect a typical camp of hadden I tried to take the mob by FTE.
I petitioned "Hey I got my kill stolen twice by two different people. Name A which I wont reveal here and Name B" I base tis claim on FTE. Do I understand the rules or am I mistaken, please let me know...

Here is a log of the latest example ...

Then I get a reply "Sorry this has been taken care of"
Veltira posts a thread he was banned
Sirken posts my name in a report that shows I was FTE

I follow up with my side of the story in hope I can learn the rules for future reference and to get Veltiras ban lifted if it was unjust.

And again

Kill me all you want, but don't call me a liar.

[kildone]

Jeez dude let it go..

Consider it let go. I have said all I could. Just came back one last time to show that I did not lie. It aint worth it for a game.

[Lev_Mer]

I think we all should hug a little. What a satisfying resolution to this pertinent matter.

[Demote]

What a bunch of Blue shit

[Widan]

I can see both sides here, one the one hand velzira had the camp first, but on the other hand it was a "special" spawn instead of a standard 20min timer with a set ph that spawns a named. For the same reason you can't camp check say, quillmane. Imo its open to interpretation about who should have the camp. How bout a gm lays down the law and picks one or the other as right and ends the discussion once and for all

No, this is wrong. If you don't know the rules don't spread misinformation. Quillmane is not campable because it's a non static outdoor mob. Hadden is a static mob, and thus campable. It's all very clear, no interpretation needed. Feel free to look at the links I posted previously if you do not understand.

[BardPop]

No, this is wrong. If you don't know the rules don't spread misinformation. Quillmane is not campable because it's a non static outdoor mob. Hadden is a static mob, and thus campable. It's all very clear, no interpretation needed. Feel free to look at the links I posted previously if you do not understand.

Ok so quillmane is a outdoor mob, what's that got to do with anything? Seafuries are outdoor, so is hadden. Furthermore I am pretty sure on blue they a lot each seafury spawn to one person when necessary, so that throws your argument that outdoor roaming mobs can't be camped out the window. If a seafury spawn (roams once it spawns same as quillmane) can be camped why not other things that roam?

[iiNGloriouS]

nobody cares?

[Widan]

Ok so quillmane is a outdoor mob, what's that got to do with anything? Seafuries are outdoor, so is hadden.

Outdoor non static mobs path much further than indoor non static mobs for obvious reasons. Quillmane and seafuries are non static. Hadden is static. Do you know what the word static means and how it differs from non static?


Furthermore I am pretty sure on blue they a lot each seafury spawn to one person when necessary, so that throws your argument that outdoor roaming mobs can't be camped out the window. If a seafury spawn (roams once it spawns same as quillmane) can be camped why not other things that roam?


Seafuries are FTE as they are non static.


My point with the above post is essentially that its open to interpretation, where you are trying to say that your opinion is better then every other interpretation for no reason I can see


It's not open to interpretation. I linked quotes to 3 different GM's/former GM's on this server that all say similar things about camps. I am basing it off their decisions/opinions, not my own. The rules could certainly use with some consolidating after they removed the Camps, Defined thread, but they aren't unclear.

[BardPop]

Outdoor non static mobs path much further than indoor non static mobs for obvious reasons. Quillmane and seafuries are non static. Hadden is static. Do you know what the word static means and how it differs from non static?



Seafuries are FTE as they are non static.



It's not open to interpretation. I linked quotes to 3 different GM's/former GM's on this server that all say similar things about camps. I am basing it off their decisions/opinions, not my own. The rules could certainly use with some consolidating after they removed the Camps, Defined thread, but they aren't unclear.

God your such an ass.

Tmo?

[Fang]

Any discussion on rule clarification is valuable and makes the server a better place. Ask a question like OP is asking and you have five different people giving five different answers stated as fact.

[Terpuntine]

http://runeatrepeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/no-body-cares_thumb.gif

[iiNGloriouS]

Every post is a novel.

Again, nobody cares.

[fred schnarf]

So we need hadden variance, ok got it

#fishboned

[Jadian]

Not that I'd have petitioned, but dude wasn't in the wrong for doing so. Greedy high levels KSing from lowbies is stupid on this server at this point anyway, you're fucking raid geared and camping a FB earring? Then try to play white knight when you get banned? Naw.

Go little guy.

[Veltira]

Not that I'd have petitioned, but dude wasn't in the wrong for doing so. Greedy high levels KSing from lowbies is stupid on this server at this point anyway, you're fucking raid geared and camping a FB earring? Then try to play white knight when you get banned? Naw.

Go little guy.

The little guy was proved a liar and I was reinstated. Next argument?

[Chronoburn]

Were all live servers besides SZ a petition quest nightmare?

[erog84]

God your such an ass.

Tmo?

And you are a moron. He explained the Rules to you multiple times and you kept saying the opposite. Not his fault you don't know how to read.

[ElemtalRZ]

This guy should have been banned or suspended. If you want to break the rules face the punishment dont go QQ on the forums because you got caught. 100% support this and respect the play nice policy. Our guild webpage actually has a link on our front page that will take you to the play nice policy if you need any help finding it. This crappy wizard wined and wined enough that they felt sorry for him and unbanned him. Dont think anyone cares if this guy is playing or not hopefully he learned his lesson and doesn't KS a mob that is already engaged on another player.

[Dango]

Jesus go back to fucking blue with this petitionquest


As he petitioned me to get me suspended for 7days for me making fun of his manliness (or lack of).

Shut up boy.

[Lev_Mer]

This guy should have been banned or suspended. If you want to break the rules face the punishment dont go QQ on the forums because you got caught. 100% support this and respect the play nice policy. Our guild webpage actually has a link on our front page that will take you to the play nice policy if you need any help finding it. This crappy wizard wined and wined enough that they felt sorry for him and unbanned him. Dont think anyone cares if this guy is playing or not hopefully he learned his lesson and doesn't KS a mob that is already engaged on another player.

yo are u dumb or just fugly

GM's didn't do due diligence, the petitioner thought FTE counted on hadden and claimed a KS, and now things are back to normal.

normal being ur a total moran.

[ElemtalRZ]

http://i.imgur.com/wQyzo8W.png
LNS'ed with 75 people in the zone :P

[snufzaimoverlord]

Great screenshot.

[Nirgon]

Great screenshot.

snortle

[Jadian]

The little guy was proved a liar and I was reinstated. Next argument?

Argument was you were being a dick KSing a Fishbone from a lowbie, and it stands

[heartbrand]

Great screenshot.

[kildone]

The little guy was proved a liar and I was reinstated. Next argument?

Wrong. The only thing that was proven was that I apparently misunderstood the rules and that you were banned before my petition was understood by the staff.

I even highlighted in bold the part that demonstrates my petition was based on FTE. It said nothing in my petition about me being there before you.

I then posted with quotes from all my posts to demonstrate that I never said I was there before you on the occasion that I petitioned about.

Are you dense or just intent on trying to make me look like a liar? Like it makes you feel better to mislabel me in retaliation of what is perhaps poor staff judgement. Why did you appologize and offer me an earring while you were banned but now act like this?

Like I said hunt me down. Have your whole guild hunt me down if you feel it is a good way to spend time. I am one of the few people who doesn't go anon / role unless a group / raid asks me to. I have all my characters names in my sig. I love Pvp even if I will lose every time due to lack of gear and skill. That's why I am here on red.

Just don't call me a liar when everything I have posted has been truth. This game and especially a FB earring is not worth lying. I am an honorable person who could not live with myself if I made a false accusation especially for something as trivial as this.

I apologized for asking the staff if I understood the rules were when I should not have to. They did not say it was inappropriate to ask the question.

You posted - dude just let it go. Why don't you do the same. Maybe even thank me for stepping forward as it may have helped shorten your ban and avoid you quitting the game as you said you would.

Whatever the case I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield. I hold no malice or ill will but I imagine even if you manage to let this go we will end up at odds one day as I get my cleric to raid level.

[Fame]

move on with your life, holy fuck red is only a shadow of its former self, sad times

[Tune]

did you guys even try to settle this in game?

like why get people banned for little things

[Grimjaw]

holy shit take this garbage back to blue

[Clark]

http://d38zt8ehae1tnt.cloudfront.net/very_serious_people_repeat_after_max__the_great_re ckoning_buy_some_frickin_gold_egon_von_greyerz__ke iser_report__201578.jpg

Now it sounds to me like he has a fishbone to pick with you.

[Veltira]

Wrong. The only thing that was proven was that I apparently misunderstood the rules and that you were banned before my petition was understood by the staff.

I even highlighted in bold the part that demonstrates my petition was based on FTE. It said nothing in my petition about me being there before you.

I then posted with quotes from all my posts to demonstrate that I never said I was there before you on the occasion that I petitioned about.

Are you dense or just intent on trying to make me look like a liar? Like it makes you feel better to mislabel me in retaliation of what is perhaps poor staff judgement. Why did you appologize and offer me an earring while you were banned but now act like this?

Like I said hunt me down. Have your whole guild hunt me down if you feel it is a good way to spend time. I am one of the few people who doesn't go anon / role unless a group / raid asks me to. I have all my characters names in my sig. I love Pvp even if I will lose every time due to lack of gear and skill. That's why I am here on red.

Just don't call me a liar when everything I have posted has been truth. This game and especially a FB earring is not worth lying. I am an honorable person who could not live with myself if I made a false accusation especially for something as trivial as this.

I apologized for asking the staff if I understood the rules were when I should not have to. They did not say it was inappropriate to ask the question.

You posted - dude just let it go. Why don't you do the same. Maybe even thank me for stepping forward as it may have helped shorten your ban and avoid you quitting the game as you said you would.

Whatever the case I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield. I hold no malice or ill will but I imagine even if you manage to let this go we will end up at odds one day as I get my cleric to raid level.

Remember like 5 posts ago when you said you were odne and not goign to post about this ever again? Liar again!

[Akalakamelee]

Here is my petition with a few names and unrelated OOC removed:

Wondering how kill stealing fits in. The rules state that first to engage should be applied, except on red a person should attempt to kill via PvP first.

So while I am trying to get Hadden for fishbone earring, higher levels stole my kills twice today. They should have killed me first going by the rules, but because of level range they could not.

So should I have rights to the kill based on FTE or is this rule not stated to my understanding under the PnP?

This morning at the 9am spawn it was xxxx who took the kill after I achieved FTE with Flame Lick. At the 9pm spawn it was Velzira.

Please let me know, thank you.

*** Not part of petition but Velzira was not in zone before me or Tenderly ****

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:02 2015] Velzira raises an eyebrow at Tenderly.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Targeted (NPC): Hadden
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Right click on the NPC to consider him.

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] You begin casting Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden says, 'Ah.. Though you appear so puny, I'm sure your flesh will make good bait!'
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden is surrounded by flickering flames.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] You have become better at Evocation! (142)
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] Hadden has taken 2 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden was hit by non-melee for 182 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden's skin combusts.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:20 2015] Hadden has taken 3 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:21 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Velzira regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with AntoniusBayle got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CircleofUnseenHands got better.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CoalitionofTradeFolk got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with GuardsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with MerchantsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Hadden says 'Arrrhhh.. The Merchants of Qeynos.. are many.. and powerful.. ..you won't get away.. with.. this.. hor.. orr.. rible.. .. ..'

Based on that it's clear it was a kill steal, you hit the target first. If a nuke went off by mistake then ok, but clearly this Holo... err i'm sorry "empire" lootwhore decided it was a good idea to steal the kill. Should be suspended IMO

[Lev_Mer]

yea wtf now ur saying u were there first, werent timer camping, and velzira showed up and took the kill you were there camping all along? that was the whole question before...

[Lev_Mer]

BTW Velzira you complain that in this one case, you were the first one there. I had bought the FB earring from you because after multiple days of frustration I gave up. The next day I decided to try again. I was there first and you showed up, said Hi Ridez =D and tried to take the kill even though I was there first. There was also two others there before you. Some druid, who shall remain nameless, took it first, but don't tell me you didn't try to take it as well.

After reading the rules which state nothing about holding a camp on long timer mobs with no PH, and knowing that showing up first meant nothing to people here, I decided to start gating in right before the timer.

nope thats the opposite now of what ur saying... u said ONE TIME he TRIED to ks so .. this time its ok you did? cause u thought that was OK from before or something

[Veltira]

nope thats the opposite now of what ur saying... u said ONE TIME he TRIED to ks so .. this time its ok you did? cause u thought that was OK from before or something

His story changes to meet his current agenda.

[Akalakamelee]

Veltria, still smack talking on reddit?

If you talk crap about me on reddit please link here so i can read the steaming pile you shit out. thanks in advance pal.

[Slathar]

hololost KSing newbies camping hadden



whats next? posts about being nazis?





o wait 8)

[Coffee]

are these logs PST or EST ?

[Akalakamelee]

Veltira was always a big loot whore. not surprised that they went to a nazi guild in the name of dragon loot.
Ridez, who looked into the petition? Your chances of a fair judgement heavily weigh on which GM is looking into it.

[Lev_Mer]

OP says Velzira wasnt in zone first... now.

Before, he said Velzira was in zone, he just had no claim since the OP was camping timer and one time Velzira tried to KS. (and since no one follows camp rules, he didnt have to either)

OP tried to KS Velzira with FTE, but that doesnt apply to hadden.

Velzira was unbanned and totally cleared, previously being banned IN ERROR.

Thats what I'm reading and i can quote you every thing my babies

[kildone]

Some folks can't read or can't concentrate long enough to put two simple points together. Others are obviously trying to instigate something. Commonly referred to trolling.

In any case it has had zero effect on me other than mild entertainment. The only contradiction I have seen is Velzira apologizing and offering me an earring and now saying he did nothing wrong and I am the bad guy.

As to being done with the issue, I just can't get enough as long as Velzira keeps posting. Let's just say I tried to KS a wizard who is red to me by casting fire lick and getting FTE. Call me stupid for thinking I could get that fat loot. Or call me stupid for asking staff if FTE was the rule. Or call me whatever you want for whatever reason you want.

Happy? I am. I would be even happier if the promised retribution and hunting me down were to actually happen.

Give me some more PvP baby! This is Ridez / Thunderfoot and I approve this message.

[kildone]

OP says Velzira wasnt in zone first... now.

Before, he said Velzira was in zone, he just had no claim since the OP was camping timer and one time Velzira tried to KS. (and since no one follows camp rules, he didnt have to either)

OP tried to KS Velzira with FTE, but that doesnt apply to hadden.

Velzira was unbanned and totally cleared, previously being banned IN ERROR.

Thats what I'm reading and i can quote you every thing my babies


1. I have said the same thing from the beginning.

2. You can't KS by getting FTE that makes absolutely no sense. For mobs where FTE is the rule then a KS can only happen when some person or group takes a kill when they were not first to engage. Think it through it may eventually dawn on you.

3. Please do quote instead of just saying you can. Or rather try to quote and you will realize that I have been consistent and honest if not educated. Possibly. I have still not seen a staff member post exactly what the rules are. Nor have I ever gotten an answer to my petition other than Sorry this has been taken care of. Not sorry but you were wrong. Granted if you took a vote from players who post Haden is a camp, but not everyone thinks so.

In any case thanks for caring enough to post. Forum questing can be fun during those rare times that I have nothing better to do.

[erog84]

Some folks can't read or can't concentrate long enough to put two simple points together. Others are obviously trying to instigate something. Commonly referred to trolling.

In any case it has had zero effect on me other than mild entertainment. The only contradiction I have seen is Velzira apologizing and offering me an earring and now saying he did nothing wrong and I am the bad guy.

As to being done with the issue, I just can't get enough as long as Velzira keeps posting. Let's just say I tried to KS a wizard who is red to me by casting fire lick and getting FTE. Call me stupid for thinking I could get that fat loot. Or call me stupid for asking staff if FTE was the rule. Or call me whatever you want for whatever reason you want.

Happy? I am. I would be even happier if the promised retribution and hunting me down were to actually happen.

Give me some more PvP baby! This is Ridez / Thunderfoot and I approve this message.

Was wondering what all the spazzing out was about, then saw his guild tag. Makes sense now.

[kildone]

Exhibit A

sorry about this, it has been dealt with

Read my petition, then the GM response to Velzira by posting I was FTE in the server stats and now Velzira obviously unbanned in under a week and draw your own conclusions.

[Veltira]

Ridez can you please stfu and let this die? Get back to petitionquesting.


P.S. you keep harping that i offered you the earring and an apology. That was before you were specifically proved a liar.

[Lev_Mer]

bro im retarded but if you say that you don't understand what you did, while explaining what you did...


-- OP tried to kill Hadden when Velzira was camping it, by gating in on a timer while Velzira was present at hadden. (which in OPs mind, at the time, wasnt a kill stealing situation, because OP had FTE and Velzira was out of pvp range)


--- when OP couldn't kill the mob, OP wondered should Velzira have been allowed to contest, because Velzira was higher level and Out Of Range to PVP.

--- OP petitioned and Velzira was banned. Ban was in error, and reversed because OP was incorrect.

just making sure i got it this time, feel free to pick apart the semantics now again