The problem with a "zerg" guild, and the challenge before us

[Videri]

The problem people talk about is that it is impossible to contest another guild if their numbers are sufficiently greater. However, that is not the true problem. If that were the only problem, the obvious solution would be to recruit enough members to beat them. That might be difficult, but it could be done.

For a game to be fun, one must have permission to do one's best. In EQ, that means recruit as many players as you can, bring as many of your members as you can to raids and PvP, gear your members as well as you can, and use every tactic you can to win (without getting banned). Only if we all do our best will we know who played best that round and thus deserved to win.

You can't fault a guild for trying their best to win, so you can't fault a guild's leaders for recruiting. So what's the problem?

The true zerg problem arises when players are given the overwhelming impression that they must join a particular guild to enjoy the game. This, of course, would lead to a vast majority of players joining that guild, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy and preventing other guilds from successfully competing.

Several members of Holocaust have claimed they are the only guild getting major raid targets on Red99. These players are trying to create that self-fulfilling prophecy and prevent competition. This type of statement is detrimental to the server. In other words, that's bad!!

Other players on the server are afraid of this happening because they want to be able to try their best and have a chance to win in PvE and thereby earn the right to down PvP targets. As a result of this fear, they protest the zerg guild.

This leads to a meta-battle in which the zerg guild tries to show they are the only choice and other guilds try to present themselves as good or even better choices for moral reasons.

So what do we do? As for me, the only defense I know is to show new and current players the fun we are having; and to show them how exciting the server would be if there were more competition between guilds - competition in which both sides have a fighting chance and no one can be completely sure who will win.

The rest of us must out-recruit <Holocaust>, then out-play them. It will be a great challenge and therefore worth doing. Let's do this.

I welcome any other thoughts and perspectives on this matter.

[Farzo]

Talk to a guy called Lite ingame, he has great ideas for beating the "zerg" and has managed to beat the zerg many times over.

Can contacted on:

Vantage, Bernard, Novus, Lite, Seekn *insert guild members name here* and many sub 50 toons plotting and planning.

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P.s ur right on the fact that to beat the biggest guild you need to out recruit them; of the 200 players not in Holocaust that play on the sever you could make a guild with surplus players to contest.

Wont happen though. The other-side just likes to cry foul non-stop and try and poo up the server.

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[Efwan]

Inb4Flamed.

Good luck man, honestly the real issue also stems from how long this server has been in kunark. A small option of raid mobs = EZ lockdown for one zerg guild. Velious should change a lot of this, but it is up to us as "the resistance" so to speak to really change this. At this point, every major guild outside of holocaust should be talking alliance, and rallying for Velious. It will be a lot easier to stop a zerg come velious when raid mobs take longer than 15 seconds to kill. As a member of The Curse, I don't speak for our leadership but I speak with a outside point of view, the smaller guilds need to be talking strategy for the future. For instance, (not saying this is necessarily true in all aspects but..) Fresh may have half the numbers of Holo, where Azrael/Friends/Curse have a lot of the good pvp'ers/raid strategies it could be a good mix if combined, but the guild leaders need to first squash their qualms in the next month, otherwise it will be the same trickle just with different pixels.

[Colgate]

well, holocaust really is the only guild getting raid targets outside of sim repops where we lose like three low-tier mobs out of the fifteen that spawn

that statement isn't false

[Videri]

P.S.: To members of <Holocaust>, I'm not mad at you for kicking too much dragon tail. How could I fault you for doing your best? Red99 is a fun competition, like a competitive sport or a board game. I look forward to some healthy competition with you, topped with good sportsdwarfship! This is to Gradner and the others like him.

Though I can't help but wonder what it would be like if some of you joined other guilds to even it out. You could be partially responsible for making Red99 a lot more fun and exciting!

[FaithlessKR]

Though I can't help but wonder what it would be like if some of you joined other guilds to even it out. You could be partially responsible for making Red99 a lot more fun and exciting!

The major issue people are failing to see, is that holocaust has been preparing for winter for months in advance hearing that it was coming. Getting the proper steady 50+ members online at whatever times needed to down all content, is a step they took in advance.

Spilling members out now when the officer core has put in work gearing out blue transfers for this very purpose would be counter-productive. I'm not sure why fresh's numbers took a giant hit recently, they actually would have just as much as if not more during peak times a couple weeks ago.

[Videri]

well, holocaust really is the only guild getting raid targets outside of sim repops where we lose like three low-tier mobs out of the fifteen that spawn

that statement isn't false

I've seen <Fresh> do Ixiblat and Zordakalicus Ragefire and I believe Chardok royals. So, it's imbalanced, but not a lockout.

Secondly, that itself isn't the problem. The problem is that people think one guild getting a majority of raid targets means they can't enjoy the game playing with other guilds, and they join <Holocaust>, thereby contributing to the perception. If enough people joined <Fresh> and <The Curse>, or started their own new guilds, we could actually open up the higher tiers of raid targets and have more truly entertaining PvP. Would you support that, Colgate?

P.S.: Sim repops drop the same loot as weekly/times spawns. I just don't want anyone to think that they'll never down a dragon with <Fresh>, <The Curse>, or other new guilds that may spring up.

[Buhbuh]

with velious coming our level req is 55+ for high priority classes and 60 for everyone else, so that will help people a lot in the sense that they'll (new players) probably be building ties with people before they even think about Holocaust.

though you won't be able to hold their attention if you can't do much. if you can, that's cool.

[Videri]

The major issue people are failing to see, is that holocaust has been preparing for winter for months in advance hearing that it was coming. Getting the proper steady 50+ members online at whatever times needed to down all content, is a step they took in advance.

Every guild knows, every guild is and has been recruiting and raiding as hard as they can, and there is no reason for anyone to believe they can only enjoy Velious with <Holocaust>.

Spilling members out now when the officer core has put in work gearing out blue transfers for this very purpose would be counter-productive.

I'm not asking <Holocaust> officers to send members our way. I'm unabashedly inviting like-minded PvP-positive <Holocaust> members to be part of something exciting and revolutionary. :-)

I'm not sure why fresh's numbers took a giant hit recently, they actually would have just as much as if not more during peak times a couple weeks ago.

I'm not sure why you have this impression. In fact, forgive my suspicion, but I'm wondering if you raised this question in order to cast doubt on <Fresh>. I think we have two or three raiders on RL breaks, but <Fresh> actually has more 50+ now than ever before.

Please know that despite my suspicion about your post and my deliberate bid to recruit you and your guildmates, I respect you as a player, Salt; and you seem like one of the most intelligent posters on this forum and I appreciate your contributions to discussions.

[Stasis01]

Azrael basically has the hyena approach as most of their members give up after a loss or two and don't really play for PVP, they play for pixels like everyone else - that was historically speaking I don't know about the new guys.

Best just wait till Velious and a second guild will naturally develop based off excess content.

Will probably be Fresh? or Azrael? That will be the closest guild PVP come Velious while Holocaust snowballs into something unstoppable.

[Slowride]

Azrael basically has the hyena approach as most of their members give up after a loss or two and don't really play for PVP, they play for pixels like everyone else - that was historically speaking I don't know about the new guys.

Best just wait till Velious and a second guild will naturally develop based off excess content.

Will probably be Fresh? or Azrael? That will be the closest guild PVP come Velious while Holocaust snowballs into something unstoppable.

This is true and with no further expansions....

Holo has already won this game.. Only way to stop holo would be to go into POP at this point.

However..

If a team pvp server comes out... We will see an entire new monster... Def will be a ton of fun..

[FaithlessKR]

Every guild was not recruiting when I got back to the server a month ago. Holocaust and Fresh were recruiting, with occasional bumps by Azrael who were spilling members at an alarming rate at the time. Friends had no intention of recruiting anyone, and the curse wasn't around.

Fast forward a month, Friends is attempting to recruit a few people just for pvp (not to do mobs, not the greatest selling point for most people on the server), Azrael has lost almost their entire pvp core..however still recruiting, Fresh slowed down, The Curse is advertising heavily, and Holo raised requirements.

Holocaust is unfortunately the only guild ready for velious (granted fresh is still leveling and can get there if they continue to recruit solid members). I have quite a few friends in fresh, and have been rooting for that guild to make strides. You guys have been putting in good work, I just feel like I don't see you guys around as much in the last 2 weeks as I did when I first got back.

Honestly the best thing for this server would be for a qualified leader to step up and combine the best of the remaining guilds before Velious hits in an attempt to start contesting asap. Max will not work with lite, friends will not work with lite or max, and very few people like Elemtal or Takyn.

So the rest of the server is stuck in this limbo where the majority of the server is spread between 4 guilds (and continuing to spread between those 4 guilds) that can't co-exist in harmony with one another.

Hate to say it, but wtb Nizzar or someone similar who can lead the rest of the server effectively.

P.S. The thought of dealing with Nizzar playing for 18 hours a day at the start of velious fills me with incredible trepidation.

[Slowride]

Even if Nizzar was to return it is to late.. Holo has the gear and the numbers now.. They won the game. Nizzar broke rules and a new empire took the reigns.

The only option for contested raid targets is a PVP Teams server that does not allow x teaming. Only then will people see how great the game can be! But I am not holding my breath for that and may go try some more casual friendly games.

I am pretty stoked about uthguard.. DAOC is one game I never got to try.

[Farzo]

Daoc goog man.


edit btw didnt mean to sound so rash in my first post @ OP

[FaithlessKR]

I don't think there's a way to code a teams server where there was no way to x-team. It's an inevitability, and there's really nothing you can do about it.

[TheBiznessTZ]

I like this thread. its nothing but solid facts. @salt bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Slowride]

I don't think there's a way to code a teams server where there was no way to x-team. It's an inevitability, and there's really nothing you can do about it.

not true see sullon zek sir.

[Ipman_Wingchun]

Zerg guilds dont just happen, they are created and encouraged.

You stop them by weeding out bad players from a guild and stopping recruiting when you have enough people to down content you want to do.

Recruiting beyond that is just denying your guild further competition in pvp.

Not all but many want Holo to be a zerg guild so no one even shows up to contest them so they can just raid and not worry about pvp.

The ones who do want to pvp are just glad there are other warm body targets taking hits for them and welcome the loots.

Holo should just own up to being a zerg because they aren't fooling anyone.

[Agatha]

i actually dislike GM invervention but this server has been blue-locked for so long, GM's should have stepped in years ago and introduced a 35 member max guild limit for kunark opening it up the last 2 months of kunark to recruit for velious.

I mean, it's either a pvp server or its not. its either an alternate server for farming dragons with skirmish pvp or not, server should be renamed dragons with a chance of pvp.

[Bazia]

agatha stop pretending to care you were in nihilum and would join holo forever ago if allowed

[Agatha]

agatha stop pretending to care you were in nihilum and would join holo forever ago if allowed

of course i would, i think you are fucking retarded not to take the only route the server provides.


I think azrael guys are all great, but the constant starts and stops has scared away anyone with reasonable playtime that would be willing to carry it.

[Rednaros]

Ya basically on point with Salt....server easily a step from thriving, just need a competent guild leader to unite fresh friends curse and azrael, or bring back Nizzar.
Holocaust is not undefeatable and Gongshow has said many times that when Velious comes out..anyone who isnt 60 gets kicked. You guys need someone to unite you guys, if you want my opinion Elemtal os the best option even though hes a cry baby, curse and fresh have already been seen working together which is a good sign, just need the other guilds to push their ego aside.

[Agatha]

Ya basically on point with Salt....server easily a step from thriving, just need a competent guild leader to unite fresh friends curse and azrael, or bring back Nizzar.
Holocaust is not undefeatable and Gongshow has said many times that when Velious comes out..anyone who isnt 60 gets kicked. You guys need someone to unite you guys, if you want my opinion Elemtal os the best option even though hes a cry baby, curse and fresh have already been seen working together which is a good sign, just need the other guilds to push their ego aside.

so that only leaves holocaust with what, 90 players instead of 120 on launch? lol

[Rednaros]

Fresh can field 30, Azrael can field 25, Curse can field 10 ish, Friends can field.10, thats atleast a garunteed force of 70..its just guilds wont put their egos asides and would rather bitch abiut not having dragon pvp when its right in front of their face

[Agatha]

it's not ego's, some legit shit has happened between eachother that ego aside is fucked up. and why it will never happen.

account stripping is one of them, azrael is easily in the best position but it has scared myself included away from joining due to the inconsistency of the playerbase within, fresh is from what i have seen doomed to be a feeder guild for holocaust(the core players there are great, good people,fresh that is), azrael will never regain the skilled pvpers/shit maker happeners due to the last 16 fails.

This isnt a knock at anyones guild, azrael has awesome people in it lites a great guy, fresh has awesome people in it max is a great guy, even (gasp) the zerg holocaust 99% good people.

in order for what you to say to work would not be a merge, it would have to be a complete disolvement of each guild and its structure, no more max as leader, no more lite as leader, but thats not going to happen.

[heartbrand]

Being a leader blows on this box. I'm sure people are just dying to step up and try to work with max / lite / friends. It ain't happening. C u in sleepers.

[Agatha]

Being a leader blows on this box. I'm sure people are just dying to step up and try to work with max / lite / friends. It ain't happening. C u in sleepers.

^sarcasm but even heartbrand gets it. this is the simple truth.

also, as far as the most toxic guild on this server, goes by far to friends, spliting from azrael after getting the loot because the only two people brobb and sektor who PL and make groups are in the guild. rofl.

[heartbrand]

There aren't enough people interested in PvE progression to recruit into a guild capable of contesting holocaust on a routine basis. Because of this any leader in order to not bleed members to holocaust would need to do some sort of alliance with max / lite / curse / friends. I don't know much about the curse, but lite and max are psycopaths who will sabatoge their own progression over elf sim grudges, and friends has no interest in contesting raid pvp.

[Pikrib]

You think people would have realized by now that Holocaust doesn't want mass dragon pvp. They never did. God forbid another guild recruited 70 people to contest Holo then Holo would mass recruit another 40 so they could ensure no mass pvp and free dragons.

Thats fine thats the way they want to play the game. I don't blame Holo for wanting easy pixels, but don't bring 70 people to slay dragons and expect competition when < 30 are required. The overwhelming force is there to prevent pvp.

These posts are just really bad trolls, and I would rather post about Tiggles and Taunto love spat. Thats some /popcorn shit and this topic is old and worn out.

[Agatha]

thats also true, they would just pixel package snipe your members away with promises of loots they dont even need. just like what nizzar did, oh trak bp's and VS legs? got 100s of them, start offering them to azrael members lol, and sure enough one by one azrael members hopped on over.

[Zalaerian]

Time will tell but I assume history will repeat itself. The top progressing will always be on the offensive to kill raid targets. The other will try to stop them but at the cost of using their time the essentially play defense. Doing so they will be faced with decisions of 1) do we stop top guild from getting pixels for a few hours or 2) use that time to raid unharrased themselves. Dragons will die to the top guild, that is inevitable. It just whether it will be at prime time or 2am. The more the other guilds play defense, the more they fall behind the gearing game. The more they raid other other targets for gear, the faster the other guild gears.

Pick your poison

[Grizzler]

Well from a new players perspective, based on everything said here and in other posts, mine included, it really seems like a new player has 2 options. Either join one of the smaller guilds, get some loot content but have to claw, dig and fight hard as hell for it OR join holo and get free pixels (as long as requirements r met of course).

I can kinda see why some folks may just do the latter out of ease. However I would have to say that it is disconcerting that some of these smaller guilds won't or can't find even ground to either merge into 1 guild or at least make an alliance to try and compete for those other high value targets.

When it comes to myself, I'm some what of a masochist (christ, I play EQ) so I would probably still look for a smaller guild to attempt to combat the perceived "zerg" guild but I really can't help but say that all the guilds are perpetuating the server stigma.

As long as the smaller guilds keep holding onto their "ego's" and not working together to combat the larger guild, they can't blame anyone but themselves if they don't see content. If you can't put out the same amount of players or kill the targets, than you have no reason to have a "ego" in the first place. You have 2 options either out recruit or merge with someone else. Since the pop isn't the highest on red I would wager that recruitment isn't going to be your bread and butter but I'm a new guy, so what do I know. So that leaves the first option, if that's off the table than you might as well stfu cause your being your own Achilles heal. (see what I did there?)


I am pretty stoked about uthguard.. DAOC is one game I never got to try.

Glad I'm not the only one, wish we had a date.

[heartbrand]

Merges will never happen. Lite plays this game for the sole purpose of being an EverQuest guild leader. Max is a psycopath who hates lite. Friends will never merge with anyone. The history of this server since inception has been one large PVE guild and multiple smaller guilds who would rather PVP one another and grief each other than team up to fight the big dog. The sooner you accept that the sooner you'll be at peace with red99.

[Zalaerian]

Pretty much what The Slayer said

[dis_mornin]

EQ PvP isn't a game that allows sustainable competition. Especially on a small pop server like red99 where everyone knows everyone. If you are looking for 2 big guilds going at it for months on end you won't get it. So I am not even sure why you nerds waste your time theory crafting it. Even if all the competition teamed up to take on holo.. in 2-3 weeks there will be a winner and a loser and competition will go away. It has happened time and time again on this box and actually confirms to me you all are insane when you expect something different.

Also teams server is the worst idea and will flop.

[Coffee]

discussing guild sizes for raid progression on a pvp server

recruit and contest

pras fresh pras curse

[Rednaros]

If nobody is willing to put their shit aside and work together....stop bitching about losing.

[Slathar]

i will never ever contest or pvp in a meaningful way id much rather camp fingerbone hoops or chain kill level 12s until they quit the server



*gets in prius and inhales fart*

[snufzaimoverlord]

Welcome to Everquest.

[Genedin]

Quoting myself from 3/17.

"This has always been and always will be the reason that there is one dominant zerg on this server and while there will always be posts like this.

People think any of this shit actually matters and for too many individuals P99 is the main source of friendships and socializing in their lives so grudges, bad blood, etc are real life shit to them.

Combine the reasoning in the sentence above with the reasons that cause this situation in the first place (social disorders) of said individuals and you have an infinite loop.

Sorry pal, but if this server was made up of cool and normal people that wanted to play a pvp server for pvp instead of amassing pixels for no real reason, then it would already have happened. This is not the case and it will never happen."

[Telron]

well, holocaust really is the only guild getting raid targets outside of sim repops where we lose like three low-tier mobs out of the fifteen that spawn

that statement isn't false

What will you do in Velious! Be a shame to let all dem pops go to waste. Holo needs more membas! Must have a 40 man raid for each continent ready to mobilize and destroy at the drop of a hat / Shake of a screen!

[lite]

Beating a zerg doesn't really exist, unless you are in the business of becoming the zerg yourself.

Take Holocaust for example. Tons of it's members cried about how zerging ruined the server, but as soon as Nihilum was disbanded they instantly filled the role.

Why was Holocaust not able to exist prior to Nihilum, despite so many people who are now "proud" Holocaust members? I will Quote Gongshow on this one from the other night when him and a few Holo members came in our teamspeak.

"Who was going to leave the pixel train?" - Gongshow

Too many people are petrified at the thought of not getting that upgrade that they've been raiding for, and desperately need in order to complete their set. The amount of weak minded and opportunist individuals who seek easy compensation will always out weight those looking for a challenge. That's just life.

Zergs are undefeatable. However, by not being in them you grant yourself the opportunity to be more than a warm body.

[Gotze]

I really thought holo was gonna implode when zayn Malik left one direction

[Uuruk]

i actually dislike GM invervention but this server has been blue-locked for so long, GM's should have stepped in years ago and introduced a 35 member max guild limit for kunark opening it up the last 2 months of kunark to recruit for velious.

I mean, it's either a pvp server or its not. its either an alternate server for farming dragons with skirmish pvp or not, server should be renamed dragons with a chance of pvp.
You fucking suck

[pgerman]

good thing i believe everything on the forums



oh wait, its 8 people talking to each other in circles, same 4 topics, over and over




If you say something 63,892 times, it becomes true. Nirgon is getting close. Heartbrand isnt too far behind.

I learned so much today.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Beating a zerg doesn't really exist, unless you are in the business of becoming the zerg yourself.

Take Holocaust for example. Tons of it's members cried about how zerging ruined the server, but as soon as Nihilum was disbanded they instantly filled the role.

Why was Holocaust not able to exist prior to Nihilum, despite so many people who are now "proud" Holocaust members? I will Quote Gongshow on this one from the other night when him and a few Holo members came in our teamspeak.

"Who was going to leave the pixel train?" - Gongshow

Too many people are petrified at the thought of not getting that upgrade that they've been raiding for, and desperately need in order to complete their set. The amount of weak minded and opportunist individuals who seek easy compensation will always out weight those looking for a challenge. That's just life.

Zergs are undefeatable. However, by not being in them you grant yourself the opportunity to be more than a warm body.

kek.

nilly dies, azrael suddenly has 40 people log on to raid uncontested.

when holo said y u zerg, ur response was "u know the timers, recruit and contest."

u got wut u wanted u immigrant

[lite]

kek.

nilly dies, azrael suddenly has 40 people log on to raid uncontested.

when holo said y u zerg, ur response was "u know the timers, recruit and contest."

u got wut u wanted u immigrant

totally.

http://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

[Littlegyno 13.0]

totally.

http://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

nice non response.

glad the colombian school system really educated u.

glad 2 be part of holocaust and not have to deal with a scum non-american like you.

all our officers are certified american patriots. pras them.

[Susvain2]

people join Holocaust for other reasons than just pixels

me for example, i wanted to come to red for a year or two but part of the reason I never did was because there was no crew around that I wanted to play with. Now Holocaust comes around and I wanted to go there because the people

[Littlegyno 13.0]

people join Holocaust for other reasons than just pixels

me for example, i wanted to come to red for a year or two but part of the reason I never did was because there was no crew around that I wanted to play with. Now Holocaust comes around and I wanted to go there because the people

i like u friend. uve become a close pal 2 me.

maybe 1 day when we have a holocaust rl meet up we can consummate our friendship with a lil intravenous heroin?

kek

[Susvain2]

if that is gongshows will, it shall be done

[Littlegyno 13.0]

if that is gongshows will, it shall be done

http://www.amazingjewishbooks.com/prodimages/And%20Let%20Us%20Say%20Amen.jpg

[Slowride]

EQ PvP isn't a game that allows sustainable competition. Especially on a small pop server like red99 where everyone knows everyone. If you are looking for 2 big guilds going at it for months on end you won't get it. So I am not even sure why you nerds waste your time theory crafting it. Even if all the competition teamed up to take on holo.. in 2-3 weeks there will be a winner and a loser and competition will go away. It has happened time and time again on this box and actually confirms to me you all are insane when you expect something different.

Also teams server is the worst idea and will flop.

A teams server would work u know it.. u just want to be blue. . I get it.. if a teams server will flop then why was all the teams servers do so well. Better check the facts..

[Ella`Ella]

Our Duke who art in Holo
Gongshow be thy name
Thy pixels come, Gong's will be done
In Velious as it is in Kunark
Give us this day, our daily Red
And avenge us our YT's
As we avenge those who YT against us
And lead us not into <Azrael>
Because we deserve a challenge.

Amen

[Zalaerian]

Our Duke who art in Holo
Gongshow be thy name
Thy pixels come, Gong's will be done
In Velious as it is in Kunark
Give us this day, our daily Red
And avenge us our YT's
As we avenge those who YT against us
And lead us not into <Azrael>
Because we deserve a challenge.

Amen


Beautiful

[Smedy]

a challenge of logging in once a week?

okay.

[Coffee]

kek.

nilly dies, azrael suddenly has 40 people log on to raid uncontested.

when holo said y u zerg, ur response was "u know the timers, recruit and contest."

u got wut u wanted u immigrant

[Slowride]

if that is gongshows will, it shall be done

Fat and bald.. and bad.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

people join Holocaust for other reasons than just pixels

me for example, i wanted to come to red for a year or two but part of the reason I never did was because there was no crew around that I wanted to play with. Now Holocaust comes around and I wanted to go there because the people

Most of holo leadership was in Nihilum....

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Our Duke who art in Holo
Gongshow be thy name
Thy pixels come, Gong's will be done
In Velious as it is in Kunark
Give us this day, our daily Red
And avenge us our YT's
As we avenge those who YT against us
And lead us not into <Azrael>
Because we deserve a challenge.

Amen

Gongshow isn't the Duke. He is the General or the One, all he sees is 1s and 0s

[Ohno]

This server feels like it's a step from being really competitive... That's why I came here instead of blue. Honestly a lot of good people with a few bad apples.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

This server feels like it's a step from being really competitive... That's why I came here instead of blue. Honestly a lot of good people with a few bad apples.

Lol only time the server was further from having competition was when the population was 36 at peak times and they were all in Nihilum. Server is screwed up right now, the guilds that could get together to do something won't because of shit that happened in the past

[Susvain2]

Most of holo leadership was in Nihilum....

but now they have their own guild,

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Just saying you didn't join for the people cause those people were in nihilum. You joined for easy loot. Same reason I joined nihilum when I moved from blue.

[snufzaimoverlord]

Ya'll theorycrafting for no reason.

If/when this server gets 400 during peak times, which it will since velious on blue is going to be way worse, It will absolutely be able to support 2 or 3 large dragonslaying guilds if those people work together.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Ya'll theorycrafting for no reason.

If/when this server gets 400 during peak times, which it will since velious on blue is going to be way worse, It will absolutely be able to support 2 or 3 large dragonslaying guilds if those people work together.

Probably true but there is still the fact that a second zerg leader is missing. The people playing leadership roles atm don't really wanna zerg or just aren't quite cut out for it. Bring back the Duke and we will see a guild form to actually compete. There is another person or two I can think of but I don't see them coming back because they think the staff is in holo leadership pocket.

[Sektor]

Ya'll theorycrafting for no reason.

If/when this server gets 400 during peak times, which it will since velious on blue is going to be way worse, It will absolutely be able to support 2 or 3 large dragonslaying guilds if those people work together.

Lite has been the only leader to put things aside and try to work things out with these guilds. From players like Salem calling us cowards to psychos like Max that are spamming peoples phones.

Our best action is to continuing with our recruitment and growing as a guild. If others guilds would like to discuss matters just contact Lite, Detares, Reebz and Azrael leadership will gladly discuss anything.

[Slathar]

Lite has been the only leader to put things aside and try to work things out with these guilds. From players like Salem calling us cowards to psychos like Max that are spamming peoples phones.

Our best action is to continuing with our recruitment and growing as a guild. If others guilds would like to discuss matters just contact Lite, Detares, Reebz and Azrael leadership will gladly discuss anything.

ur a coward whatre u gona do about it? beg my guild for help 25/8?


also reebz isnt in azrael as of sunday unless something changed. ur welcome for the free trak bp btw.

[Susvain2]

Just saying you didn't join for the people cause those people were in nihilum. You joined for easy loot. Same reason I joined nihilum when I moved from blue.

i transferred over 800k blue

i admit i considered all options, azrael - gw - holo. Ended up chosing Holo because I liked them the most, and I didn't want to be on the opposite team as Colgate

[Aesop]

interesting that my post got deleted. lol

[Ohno]

i transferred over 800k blue

i admit i considered all options, azrael - gw - holo. Ended up chosing Holo because I liked them the most, and I didn't want to be on the opposite team as Colgate

Who wants to be on the same team as tooth decay?

Sorry had to.

[Colgate]

chun seems like a nice guy but his constant begging for the staff to unban nizzar is very cringeworthy

just move on dawg

[Dacuk]

Merges will never happen. Lite plays this game for the sole purpose of being an EverQuest guild leader. Max is a psycopath who hates lite. Friends will never merge with anyone. The history of this server since inception has been one large PVE guild and multiple smaller guilds who would rather PVP one another and grief each other than team up to fight the big dog. The sooner you accept that the sooner you'll be at peace with red99.

hmmm reasonably well said

[Pikrib]

Free Nizzar!

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

chun seems like a nice guy but his constant begging for the staff to unban nizzar is very cringeworthy

just move on dawg

I will move on for you pal. I would just really like to see another leader pop up. I don't wish bad things on holocaust by any means, I like 98% of you guys, I just want some badass dragon pvp ya dig? Nizzar has been the only big time leader I've known which is why I keep asking to let him come back.

[GradnerLives]

Egos and Pride are the reasons why holo is the only show in town.

If Azrael de-tagged and joined Fresh today, they'd have a fighting chance even with sunday holo numbers.

If Friends/Slosh/Azrael/Curse joined together under one tag, so would they.

All these best-in-slot players in 6-18 man guilds sitting on their hands acting like they should have a fair shot. Acting like everyone else is the problem. Resigning themselves to failure and making threads about how awful the zerg is. Your complacency is the self-fulfilling prophecy. You make it possible for us to do what we do.

You didn't give those 'warm bodies' a chance. You didn't recruit them early and help them out. Fresh did, and still tries to (bless their hearts), but they still don't have the geared core you others do so, unfortunately, some freshies move on (hopefully most don't, happens tho).

It's not a matter of pixel lust or being a 'bluebie'. For most people it comes down to not wanting to PVP in rags against several factions on the server that have best in slot characters coupled with the amount of resistance they get trying to join other better geared/experienced forces on the server that aren't holo.

Drop the egos, invite a bunch of players who are eager or join a guild that's full of them like Fresh, teach them to be good pvpers or shut up and deal with it.

This is everquest and the positive feedback cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback)of guild momentum isn't some new concept, it's deeply ingrained in the fabric of this elf simulator and every other MMO.

[Rednaros]

Egos and Pride are the reasons why holo is the only show in town.

If Azrael de-tagged and joined Fresh today, they'd have a fighting chance even with sunday holo numbers.

If Friends/Slosh/Azrael/Curse joined together under one tag, so would they.

All these best-in-slot players in 6-18 man guilds sitting on their hands acting like they should have a fair shot. Acting like everyone else is the problem. Resigning themselves to failure and making threads about how awful the zerg is. Your complacency is the self-fulfilling prophecy. You make it possible for us to do what we do.

You didn't give those 'warm bodies' a chance. You didn't recruit them early and help them out. Fresh did, and still tries to (bless their hearts), but they still don't have the geared core you others do so, unfortunately, some freshies move on (hopefully most don't, happens tho).

It's not a matter of pixel lust or being a 'bluebie'. For most people it comes down to not wanting to PVP in rags against several factions on the server that have best in slot characters coupled with the amount of resistance they get trying to join other better geared/experienced forces on the server that aren't holo.

Drop the egos, invite a bunch of players who are eager or join a guild that's full of them like Fresh, teach them to be good pvpers or shut up and deal with it.

This is everquest and the positive feedback cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback)of guild momentum isn't some new concept, it's deeply ingrained in the fabric of this elf simulator and every other MMO.

Gradner is a terrible pvper and I will crush his tiny soul anyday but I sponsor and approve of this message, Fresh gets it, why don't you? if you want dragon pvp come together and contest

[GradnerLives]

Gradner is a terrible pvper and I will crush his tiny soul anyday but I sponsor and approve of this message, Fresh gets it, why don't you? if you want dragon pvp come together and contest

I am p bad. lol.

[dontbanpls]

I don't understand why there is this expectation that I need to accept Azrael's help when they have made no effort to repair the damage they have done to our relationship. You guys think it is ego? These mother fuckers stripped my toons because I got a third shift job, threw me under the bus, began harassing me IRL and then somehow tricked the whole server into believing I started it. Now what I am supposed to take all that up the ass and invite a bunch of fucking twats that hate me into the guild so that they can infect it with their toxic mentality that has destroyed any organization that has ever tried to work with them. What exactly is Azrael doing to make it happen? whispering lies and bull shit to my officers knowing the result. This is just another attempt by azrael to dismantle <Fresh>.

[Slathar]

id rather play with my friends and enjoy everquest. EQ is a waste of time no matter what guild youre in or what mob youre killing. id rather have fun.


i voted no

[Slathar]

I don't understand why there is this expectation that I need to accept Azrael's help when they have made no effort to repair the damage they have done to our relationship. You guys think it is ego? These mother fuckers stripped my toons because I got a third shift job, threw me under the bus, began harassing me IRL and then somehow tricked the whole server into believing I started it. Now what I am supposed to take all that up the ass and invite a bunch of fucking twats that hate me into the guild so that they can infect it with their toxic mentality that has destroyed any organization that has ever tried to work with them. What exactly is Azrael doing to make it happen? whispering lies and bull shit to my officers knowing the result. This is just another attempt by azrael to dismantle <Fresh>.

didnt read a word but this poster breaks state and federal laws over eq items and is probably a mace-wielder

[dontbanpls]

id rather play with my friends and enjoy everquest. EQ is a waste of time no matter what guild youre in or what mob youre killing. id rather have fun.


i voted no


Agreed. I'd rather fight an uphill battle every day than make my grandpa sad by contributing to neo nazi culture.

[dontbanpls]

didnt read a word but this poster breaks state and federal laws over eq items and is probably a mace-wielder

keep fucking talkin to me like that, if you really believe it maybe ill show you why you shouldn't have.

[Colgate]

well to be fair i wasn't even playing everquest at the time and somehow got lumped into your squabble with lite and had my phone spammed every night at 3 AM with text messages and had my phone number posted on fake craigslist ads

[GradnerLives]

id rather play with my friends and enjoy everquest. EQ is a waste of time no matter what guild youre in or what mob youre killing. id rather have fun.


i voted no

That's fair, but your 'no' vote is a vote in favor of the zerg. Your absentee ballot is actually helping us out.

I don't understand why there is this expectation that I need to accept Azrael's help when they have made no effort to repair the damage they have done to our relationship. You guys think it is ego? These mother fuckers stripped my toons because I got a third shift job, threw me under the bus, began harassing me IRL and then somehow tricked the whole server into believing I started it. Now what I am supposed to take all that up the ass and invite a bunch of fucking twats that hate me into the guild so that they can infect it with their toxic mentality that has destroyed any organization that has ever tried to work with them. What exactly is Azrael doing to make it happen? whispering lies and bull shit to my officers knowing the result. This is just another attempt by azrael to dismantle <Fresh>.

To clarify, not suggesting you make an 'alliance' or 'agreement'. Those never work. Geared players need to de-tag and join the real resistance as members rather than accumulating dkp at a one-group camp and spawning bees for the lulz.

[Slathar]

keep fucking talkin to me like that, if you really believe it maybe ill show you why you shouldn't have.

i retract my statement. sorry max. if youre telling the truth there are some seriously sick maniacs here...

[fred schnarf]

Agreed. I'd rather fight an uphill battle every day than make my grandpa sad by contributing to neo nazi culture.

probably because you have no life

server has shown us zerg guild works, because zerg is easy

people would rather wait in line for gear then work for it

sorry

focus on winning at life you wont ever win here.

[Feanol]

I've got nothing but respect for Holocaust. The numbers they field aren't the result of a natural pooling of server characters but a competent leadership that organizes people effectively and begins beautiful, massive pixel showers that last weeks and months. The only thing they require is exactly what every other guild requires: being there, clicking buttons, paying attention.

The difference between a player that joins Holocaust and a player that doesn't has mostly to do with what they enjoy doing in Everquest. I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that people enjoy slaying dragons and acquiring high-end gear in a safe environment with friends. Add to that the giddiness felt of being part of a nigh-unstoppable mass of magic and swords that decimates the most difficult content in mere minutes... That's a rush for sure.

Then there's the rest. Players that may lust less for equipment and more for "alternative" content. Lots of people, myself included, make a game out of being the underdog. The odds against me as I struggle with less support and more danger. Every camp, every zone a potential grave as better geared more experienced players hunt me with more numbers. For players like myself it's not important that the playing field is fair, because that's not what makes the game fun for them.

Of course gear is important for everyone to enjoy their class, and that's why even self-proclaimed PvP-Oriented guilds will snipe the Dragons they can and clear the Planes.

Even here in Norrath, Humans will be Humans. Those with an existing advantage will work to ensure the status quo remains. On the flip, there will always be people dissatisfied with the establishment and will cooperate to fight it. The sad truth is that these disparate groups often end up destroying each other rather than uniting against their common enemy.

[druid1]

The obvious answer here is to open up 3 more blue servers so all these jackoffs dont have to share all the loot on one server. The problem with red is all the scrubs that are sick of waiting for loot on blue and come here to get fast pixels by disrupting the server balance because of its extremely low population.

Also the LNS policy and all the /petition questing is fucking pathetic as well. Bring back Rallos Zek.

-primeform

[grannock]

So many complete wrong ideas on this thread. Az/friends cant contest because they hold thier yt ratio a greater priority than contesting.

When these guilds actually grow a pair and realize whoever gets the dragon won the pvp, not which side had a better yt ratio over the past few hours, there may be some competition, till then have fun playing your 55-0 lowbie necros and spaming bullshit in ooc all day. True pvp gods run the server.

[grannock]

Case in point. Az/friends had the poh shitshow won 2 weeks ago, friends got scared and would rather port out of the contest to farm nakkids in wc rather than hold down the zone and win the overall battle. Leaderboard is screwing the competition cause they no longer have their eyes on the prize.

[Nirgon]

The AIM chat gods smile upon you Grannock

[Slathar]

Case in point. Az/friends had the poh shitshow won 2 weeks ago, friends got scared and would rather port out of the contest to farm nakkids in wc rather than hold down the zone and win the overall battle. Leaderboard is screwing the competition cause they no longer have their eyes on the prize.

idiot. you demonstrate the blue retard. there is literally nothing better than farming naked players. they are the prize.

[Nirgon]

Can we just joust with maces IRL and get this over with then turn the server off

[Buhbuh]

You pals should look toward Slosh for your leader.

They're small, but outside of Holocaust they're by far the most competent and organized group of players.

It shows.

[Slathar]

man



what an epic troll

[Buhbuh]

where's your porsche

[Slathar]

rent was due and my grandmother/girlfriend made me sell it. yeah it was a good one. only had 354,000 miles on it not bad for a 1997.

[Buhbuh]

i hope you meant that your girlfriend is your grandmother and not two separate people

for a second i thought you might be uncool and abnormal

[Videri]

Hm.

[Videri]

Alright, let's get back to the point of my thread. Be aware of the meta-battle, the propaganda battle, and don't be taken in by it. Notice that in the very thread I pointed this out in, multiple <Holocaust> members immediately try to make it seem like their guild is the only choice. It's not.

New players ought to just meet people in-game and see who you want to play with.

Well from a new players perspective, based on everything said here and in other posts, mine included, it really seems like a new player has 2 options. Either join one of the smaller guilds, get some loot content but have to claw, dig and fight hard as hell for it OR join holo and get free pixels (as long as requirements r met of course).

I can kinda see why some folks may just do the latter out of ease...

server has shown us zerg guild works, because zerg is easy

people would rather wait in line for gear than work for it

But an MMO is about facing challenges together. So why take the easy road? Remember, winter is coming, newer guilds are coming up, and times are changing...

Best just wait till Velious and a second guild will naturally develop based off excess content. Will probably be Fresh? or Azrael?

This server feels like it's a step from being really competitive... That's why I came here instead of blue. Honestly a lot of good people with a few bad apples.

If/when this server gets 400 during peak times, which it will since velious on blue is going to be way worse, It will absolutely be able to support 2 or 3 large dragonslaying guilds if those people work together.

Players who enjoy a challenge can find it.

When it comes to myself, I'm some what of a masochist (christ, I play EQ) so I would probably still look for a smaller guild to attempt to combat the perceived "zerg" guild...

What possible glory is there for you in the old guard?

...by not being in [the zerg] you grant yourself the opportunity to be more than a warm body.

To anyone who wants a challenge, to anyone who really wants to test their PvP and PvE skills to the max, to anyone who wants to be part of a revolution, there are other guilds out there for you where you can make a name for yourself.

If you want to be part of something revolutionary, send me a PM.

[lite]

Case in point. Az/friends had the poh shitshow won 2 weeks ago, friends got scared and would rather port out of the contest to farm nakkids in wc rather than hold down the zone and win the overall battle. Leaderboard is screwing the competition cause they no longer have their eyes on the prize.

who is this?

[Stasis01]

To anyone who wants a challenge, to anyone who really wants to test their PvP and PvE skills to the max, to anyone who wants to be part of a revolution, there are other guilds out there for you where you can make a name for yourself.


I tried to leave Nihi and spent a year on `the other side`and can safely say that they are incompetent, selfish, don`t work with others, think they are special, and like to cry a lot.

If you want to be a part of something extremely frustrating, that will leave a bad taste in your mouth, and smash your head against the wall repeatedly while nothing improves and the constant incompetence drives you insane sign up for the revolution today.

In a perfect world we`d all be little crews, but in reality it`s just better in Holo - peace.

[heartbrand]

In response to that huge wall of text. In most sports or games, the underdog still wins occasionally. On red99 the underdog never wins, or at least loses 99.1% of the time. It's hard to motivate people to keep logging on in a game where you will lose 99.1% of the time. If the odds were even 80/20, you'd see more guild diversity.

Usually they say hate the player not the game. But for eq hate the game not the player. You're playing a non instanced game where there's no counter to bringing more people other than you yourself bringing more people.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

I tried to leave Nihi and spent a year on `the other side`and can safely say that they are incompetent, selfish, don`t work with others, think they are special, and like to cry a lot.

If you want to be a part of something extremely frustrating, that will leave a bad taste in your mouth, and smash your head against the wall repeatedly while nothing improves and the constant incompetence drives you insane sign up for the revolution today.

In a perfect world we`d all be little crews, but in reality it`s just better in Holo - peace.

word from an ex nillydog and ex azraelpig.

pras him

[Stasis01]

All I can do with my experience on Red99 is try to help the new players here with my knowledge.

It's a service really.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

But when you were in azrael, you gave these same speeches, just on the other side about how evil zergs are. In conclusion, you're insane.

so says dacbane, known psychopath and the only person on vztz/red99 to obtain butterbrain/dacbanebrain lvl 20.

you're an idiot

[Stasis01]

I made threads saying it's too easy to zerg here, and gave several examples on how the ruleset could be changed to encourage more than 1 guild.

That has nothing to do with why Azrael is a failure and people should avoid them like the plague. You* aren't even fighting the same crew.

I would even say they are a scam, or false advertising - appealing to the FOH small crew PVP crowd, and the we want to beat Nihi crowd all at the same time while alienating other crews like Force/RD who want co leadership.

It's just selfish and shitty - and wanna be elitist, and so what if I'm insane?

[Videri]

Btw, I'm in <Fresh> and loving it. I really appreciate our 50+ crew, officers, and leader, and I look forward to more PvP over raid targets alongside them.

[Stasis01]

You made plenty of posts calling out nihilum for being a zerg, how boring it was, and how you'd never be a part of that again.

Uh what. I was the one wanting Agatha HB Twainz etc recruited back and constantly tried to push working with RD/Force/God's Work?

[Stasis01]

I've said after 3 years farming the same things maybe things are too easy for Nihi, but I don't think I blamed them for that other than calling them losers?

[Samsung]

Case in point. Az/friends had the poh shitshow won 2 weeks ago, friends got scared and would rather port out of the contest to farm nakkids in wc rather than hold down the zone and win the overall battle. Leaderboard is screwing the competition cause they no longer have their eyes on the prize.

It's not 100% confirmed but if Friends did hang around the chances of us winning that day would of been better, not sure if it was guaranteed.

If I would guess who this anon forum account was it's def an azrael member, prob one of the newer members that joined us as friends left. Don't hide behind an anon account, show us who you are, I will back you 100%

[surron]

its gonna be funny when holo has velious gear and the rest of those low life neckbeards are still running around in their BiS kunark gear lol, az/friends/gw don't stand a CHANCE


holo will run away with velious and maybe in 3 years the rest of the server will catch up

[Stasis01]

It's almost like the rule set is flawed, being that there is no variance, and FFA has allowed everyone to join one guild because they can't beat them and people are forced to either zerg against the no lifers or join them.

[Stasis01]

Second line of that thread, exactly what I said in this thread - can you stop wasting my time.

[Stasis01]

But when you were in azrael, you gave these same speeches, just on the other side about how evil zergs are.

"It's almost like the rule set is flawed, being that there is no variance, and FFA has allowed everyone to join one guild because they can't beat them and people are forced to either zerg against the no lifers or join them."

Same thing? No.

[Samsung]

TRIPLE RAGE

[Stasis01]

So you didn't find one and are leaving the thread K cya bitch - I'm sure you'll find some random text and take it out of context to try to make me look bad, but my shimmering reputation will withstand your slander.

[Stasis01]

Also I'm not against the Azrael mentality, I just think it's a scam or a waste of time.

If you're joining Az because you think he'll take it to Holo - don't be fooled I wasted a year trying to do that with Az to Nihi.

It's just not gona happen.

[Stasis01]

Different players, different leaders, different time line.

That, and the fact that I was attacking the rule set more than the players - although I do question why everyone comes here to PVE.

Azrael is no different hence why guys like you log off after a loss or two and go farm noobs in OOT?

I guess your play style is ego stroke? You don't impress me + you're bad.

[Stasis01]

Actually Im fairly certain we fought Nihi while you PVP'd on an OOR druid at the same time and I remember thinken - what a bitch.

[Stasis01]

Myth - Azrael plays for PVP

Reality - Holocaust shows up, Azrael goes for sim repop snipes.

[Samsung]

Myth - Azrael plays for PVP

Reality - Holocaust shows up, Azrael goes for sim repop snipes.

Azrael cannot go up against triple the odds unless its a smaller skirmish. 25 of us trying to fight 60-75 players just isn't realistic to go up against the odds, which is why we go for sniping mobs sometimes. If we feel like we have a shot we will go for it, fighting out numbered is one thing, fighting against ridiculous odds isn't one thing.

[Stasis01]

Why you posting a pic of me and my friends?

[Stasis01]

Azrael cannot go up against triple the odds unless its a smaller skirmish. 25 of us trying to fight 60-75 players just isn't realistic to go up against the odds, which is why we go for sniping mobs sometimes. If we feel like we have a shot we will go for it, fighting out numbered is one thing, fighting against ridiculous odds isn't one thing.

Azrael can't go up against 60-75 players because all the leaders have their PD/CT loot and don't care about you.

Sorry pal.

[Samsung]

Azrael can't go up against 60-75 players because all the leaders have their PD/CT loot and don't care about you.

Sorry pal.

I would agree with your quote of the players of Friends were still in this guild, but that's inaccurate.

[Stasis01]

That was a picture of you training an azrael raid when you were in nihilum because you lost. People like you truly ruining the server, while making all these threads about how the server can be improved.

Sometimes my huge balls get in the way of my clear thinking.

[Stasis01]

K im out cya nerds.

[Samsung]

Stasis about to have a stroke lolz

Guess we gotta give this one to Smallmee.

[fred schnarf]

It's almost like the rule set is flawed, being that there is no variance, and FFA has allowed everyone to join one guild because they can't beat them and people are forced to either zerg against the no lifers or join them.

100% true

look at sim repops

its impossible for holo to get every mob cause they all spawn at once

fresh took fay, az took sev and trak and curse got vox and naggy?

why not just make all bosses spawn at once so people can contest other, impossible to get all of them


if you have the same bullshit timer then people will just hit stuff in order and not contest, thats blue.

[Jadian]

P.S.: To members of <Holocaust>, I'm not mad at you for kicking too much dragon tail. How could I fault you for doing your best? Red99 is a fun competition, like a competitive sport or a board game. I look forward to some healthy competition with you, topped with good sportsdwarfship! This is to Gradner and the others like him.

Though I can't help but wonder what it would be like if some of you joined other guilds to even it out. You could be partially responsible for making Red99 a lot more fun and exciting!

Hasn't been competition since the second month of this server, when the Holobrats all quit or got banned, before coming back to reform as the zerg they claimed to want to destroy. Oh red server.

[Videri]

In most sports or games, the underdog still wins occasionally. On red99 the underdog never wins, or at least loses 99.1% of the time. It's hard to motivate people to keep logging on in a game where you will lose 99.1% of the time.

Hasn't been competition since the second month of this server, when the Holobrats all quit or got banned, before coming back to reform as the zerg they claimed to want to destroy. Oh red server.

It's funny so many people say stuff like that, because I seem to recall <Fresh> going 18 to 10 vs similar numbers of <Holocaust> in TD about a week ago; and then a multi-guild force downed a Ragefire despite PvP interference. These weren't the first such victories - and I'll bet they won't be the last. If you want some PvP, just log in. :) Don't complain, guys! I'm not complaining, anyway. I'm searching for the best way forward and trying to motivate and inspire the rest of us.

You're playing a non instanced game where there's no counter to bringing more people other than you yourself bringing more people.
<Fresh> recruiting. B)

[Ruinous]

The major issue people are failing to see, is that holocaust has been preparing for winter for months in advance hearing that it was coming. Getting the proper steady 50+ members online at whatever times needed to down all content, is a step they took in advance.

Only guilds that resort to brute force require these kinds of numbers. The type of guild that sends in 60+ players on Trakanon regardless of AE's because they know it'll die in under a minute anyways.

Velious requires a little more finesse when it comes to cheal chains, mob positioning, stacking resists, working on faction and gearing out members in places like Kael and Halls of Testing prior to raiding the bigger targets. But it certainly doesn't require 50+ on at all times.

[FaithlessKR]

well to be fair i wasn't even playing everquest at the time and somehow got lumped into your squabble with lite and had my phone spammed every night at 3 AM with text messages and had my phone number posted on fake craigslist ads

Same

[dontbanpls]

Gream/hateraid are solely responsible for any craigslists adds and who knows how much of the bat phone spam. When Lite decided he would rather include all of nihilum by bat phoning them, they returned the favor. It doesn't matter enough to keep Gream out of holocaust tho, right?

[FaithlessKR]

Only guilds that resort to brute force require these kinds of numbers. The type of guild that sends in 60+ players on Trakanon regardless of AE's because they know it'll die in under a minute anyways.

Velious requires a little more finesse when it comes to cheal chains, mob positioning, stacking resists, working on faction and gearing out members in places like Kael and Halls of Testing prior to raiding the bigger targets. But it certainly doesn't require 50+ on at all times.

Actually, if you want to do stuff like vulak, tunare, aow etc yes you will need 50+ on, if you think otherwise you are misinformed.

[Quiet]

I cant wait till the gear gap gets so big that only Holo members log in and we freely farm the entire server at our leisure.

[Clark]

I usually try to zerg

[Mingo]

Colgate went to a GM event on a level 1. Got an AoN. Traded AoN legally for a 59th iksar monk with a tstaff. Colgate won BoTB wearing rags.

How dare you challenge the Grandmaster.

[pharmakos]

P.s ur right on the fact that to beat the biggest guild you need to out recruit them

"To fight the Empire is to be infected by its derangement. This is a paradox; whoever defeats a segment of the Empire becomes the Empire; it proliferates like a virus, imposing its form on its enemies. Thereby it becomes its enemies."

-VALIS, Philip K Dick








meet the new zerg, just like the old zerg.