Rogue must haves in Velious

[oltrevf]

I saw a similarly themed post for rangers a page or two deep in the forums thought I'd post one for rogues.

What sort of stuff should a rogue be gunning to get asap when velious opens up?
Are there items that we will want to try to get before they are nerfed after a few patches?

Alternatively are there a few items that are "low hanging fruit" to get that I can plan to go for?

[Ele]

What level are you?

[Daldaen]

If you're 60, it's your main and you're a neckbeard, in no particular order:

Captain's Eyepatch Quest - Good stats, 30% haste clicky
Pre-nerf Rogue Only Bow (Coldain Ring 9) - Amazing range item for Rogues, gets pulled later on (unsure on when)
Lodizal Belt - Aura of Battle and decent stats
Coldain Ring 10 - 10 ATK/10Regen clicky and bis ring stats for melee
Willsapper - Good ratio (better than Thornstinger) and only is inferior to NToV/ST/Tunare weapons.
BCG - Because looks

I think that's about it that's good for rogue. Beyond that it's just stat upgrades. Those items are either limited time, clickies, Procs or aura of battle ATK increases.

[Erati]

BCG = BFG

[fiveeauxfour]

Coldain Ring 10 - 10 ATK/10Regen clicky and bis ring stats for melee

I dream about this item

[oltrevf]

I'm level 42 now. Hoping to be close to 60 when the velious is out!

[Daldaen]

I'm level 42 now. Hoping to be close to 60 when the velious is out!

If this is the case all the items I listed are likely out of your reach for a bit.

A mid-50s rogue should mainly aim to work on getting groupable armor from Kael IMO. Can do the 8th ring with a little help, 9th would require a group and 10th would require a guild.

Everything else I mentioned will be very contested by level 60s who don't need exp and are willing to sit around all day to get these pixels.

[Cecily]

Spirit Wracked Cords. Haste Mask. Your epic.

[koros]

If you're 60, it's your main and you're a neckbeard, in no particular order:

Captain's Eyepatch Quest - Good stats, 30% haste clicky
Pre-nerf Rogue Only Bow (Coldain Ring 9) - Amazing range item for Rogues, gets pulled later on (unsure on when)
Lodizal Belt - Aura of Battle and decent stats
Coldain Ring 10 - 10 ATK/10Regen clicky and bis ring stats for melee
Willsapper - Good ratio (better than Thornstinger) and only is inferior to NToV/ST/Tunare weapons.
BCG - Because looks

I think that's about it that's good for rogue. Beyond that it's just stat upgrades. Those items are either limited time, clickies, Procs or aura of battle ATK increases.

Captain Nalot's is 20% but still awesome.

[wycca]

http://legacyofsteel.net/home/archives/2001-05-07/adarrasbow.jpg

Someone should probably make sure it's actually in the game.

[Daldaen]

http://legacyofsteel.net/home/archives/2001-05-07/adarrasbow.jpg

Someone should probably make sure it's actually in the game.

It's already been confirmed don't worry.

I CotH'd a guildie rogue to loot it when I did my ring. It's a very baller item... Wonder how much the loot rights would run...

[wycca]

Yea pretty decent range, but limited audience. Luckily a favorite of twinks.

I dunno, maybe 20-50k?

[Supaskillz]

Tons of classes are going to be going after the ring, rogues included. Only rogues can use the bow. I wouldn't think the loot rights would be able to be too expensive.

[Doors]

You're going to want aura of battle items and primal to up your damage. Outside of that, rogue upgrades are HP and resists. You won't be upgrading your MH until vulak or tunare daggers which might be years down the road.

[Waedawen]

Getting really excited about equipment as a rogue is kind of uh... well. Useless.

Rogues are the worst 'dress up doll' class in the game. They constantly 'want' better items, but that actual degree of improvement that comes with those items is... very underwhelming.

Weapons are super important, of course, but as long as you have 'good enough' weapons, ATK rating, resists and HP.... there's really not much 'more' to gain from being overgeared.

Compare a level 60 rogue with 2 weapons in full full full items, and then another level 60 rogue with the same weapons but not quite as much stats. They both cap strength and they're both bringing tons of heat. And that's it.


And then you start metagaming with the fact that the only people who get these items are literally dress up dolls in 70 person raid guilds and suddenly it all just seems rather ridiculous to even contemplate. These people could be doing these raids naked at those kinds of numbers -- but you simply *have* to get that new accessory for your E-Doll.

Sweet items are sweet, don't get me wrong. But the p99 broscience and circle jerking that goes on is a little bit ridiculous. As a rogue you need weps, resists, and HP. People can buff you.

[Raev]

^ is completely correct, but only for Kunark. As long as you have capped strength, 255 MR, and ragebringer, and position yourself correctly, you're going to be within 5% of the VP geared rogues.

But in Velious this should change. Primal+Aura of Battle alone is going to be like +15-20% damage. Add in another 15-20% from better weapons like Mrylokar's Dagger of Blood (15/19). And finally, resist gear is going to actually matter to some extent in NToV; if you can't max resists you're going to have to get constant torpors or whatnot. Add it all up, and a top tier Velious rogue might be doing 50% more damage than a Kunark geared one.

[webrunner5]

^ is completely correct, but only for Kunark. As long as you have capped strength, 255 MR, and ragebringer, and position yourself correctly, you're going to be within 5% of the VP geared rogues.

But in Velious this should change. Primal+Aura of Battle alone is going to be like +15-20% damage. Add in another 15-20% from better weapons like Mrylokar's Dagger of Blood (15/19). And finally, resist gear is going to actually matter to some extent in NToV; if you can't max resists you're going to have to get constant torpors or whatnot. Add it all up, and a top tier Velious rogue might be doing 50% more damage than a Kunark geared one.

I agree with this post. :p

[Cecily]

^ is completely correct, but only for Kunark. As long as you have capped strength, 255 MR, and ragebringer, and position yourself correctly, you're going to be within 5% of the VP geared rogues.

But in Velious this should change. Primal+Aura of Battle alone is going to be like +15-20% damage. Add in another 15-20% from better weapons like Mrylokar's Dagger of Blood (15/19). And finally, resist gear is going to actually matter to some extent in NToV; if you can't max resists you're going to have to get constant torpors or whatnot. Add it all up, and a top tier Velious rogue might be doing 50% more damage than a Kunark geared one.

EHHH. Primal is the same thing as a rogue getting an avatar, so you can't really count that as a Velious exclusive DPS boost. AoB is gonna be underwhelming,+1% dps per 10 attack I read once. ( Ex: AoB x1 + avatar = +11% dps). Yes, the top tier weapons will bring about a significant increase, but keep in mind that a RSSS is on par with a mid-high range Velious weapon. The main boosts in rogue gear won't be damage. It'll be surviability from rainbow resists and better HP stuff. Also the ever desirable 255 255 255 255 unbuffed stats (which don't matter).

[Cecily]

Getting really excited about equipment as a rogue is kind of uh... well. Useless.

Rogues are the worst 'dress up doll' class in the game. They constantly 'want' better items, but that actual degree of improvement that comes with those items is... very underwhelming.

Weapons are super important, of course, but as long as you have 'good enough' weapons, ATK rating, resists and HP.... there's really not much 'more' to gain from being overgeared.

Compare a level 60 rogue with 2 weapons in full full full items, and then another level 60 rogue with the same weapons but not quite as much stats. They both cap strength and they're both bringing tons of heat. And that's it.


And then you start metagaming with the fact that the only people who get these items are literally dress up dolls in 70 person raid guilds and suddenly it all just seems rather ridiculous to even contemplate. These people could be doing these raids naked at those kinds of numbers -- but you simply *have* to get that new accessory for your E-Doll.

Sweet items are sweet, don't get me wrong. But the p99 broscience and circle jerking that goes on is a little bit ridiculous. As a rogue you need weps, resists, and HP. People can buff you.

100%. My main rogue and alternate rogue (http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Glireniel) aren't much different, but have VERY different gear because I eventually realized that good enough is just as good as good as you can get. Quite a bit cheaper too!